Incorrect.

There will be major changes. The dudes don't have to go into complete and specific details so early on. FFS, they just bought the mall. Give them time to assemble the planning and designing teams. When all is done, you will see outdoor shopping centers will begin to have vast amount of near-store parking spaces available while people fight for one at CRM.

We'll see I guess. Maybe his logic that "everyone else is full so they must come to Crossroads" will pay off".

We'll see I guess. Maybe his logic that "everyone else is full so they must come to Crossroads" will pay off".

Very true. It is hard to find spaces in an available outdoor shopping center.

Hmmm, wonder why that is???

I was told a radio station was talking about the mall and what store callers would like to see.

During that call, supposedly someone who has ties to the owners or the owners themselves, called and said "we're taking notes. We're listening."

So I say this, incase they know of this website, read it, and maybe see this, here is what I would like to see in the mall.

Big risk sometimes brings great reward.

New stores not in Oklahoma -

- Fry's

Stores in other malls but not close to southside -

- Suncoast Video (FYE outside the mall)
- Hollister
- Buckle
- Abercrombie/A&F
- Spencers
- Sam Goody (if a no-go on Suncoast) (saw one while on a tipe to Vegas in Albuquerque's Coronado Mall 3 weeks ago).
- Candyopolis
- Tilt (an arcade I see at Quail Springs Mall) or some brand of arcade. GAMEWORKS! (slim to none, but having fun)
- Disney Store

These are just some ideas.

Make sure Hot Topic stays. Make sure Gamestop stays.

Make section of the mall dedicated to having a food court for consistency. Also buy the Macy's building from whoever is selling it, doze it - if Macy's won't return - and see if AMC will construct a new theatre to go there, with their own brand of IMAX.

Just ideas. However, I would like to see some of the stores listed above come to southside. Stores that people frequent at Quail/Penn like Hollister and Buckle.

Make the mall look nice. I say match the styling of the area where the carousel is. I like the color of the brick that's in place now.

Try and get Dillards and Penney's to come back.

RED ALERT

This is the special message to the two dudes that is now the proud owners of Crossroads Mall.

There has been breaking news that the owner of a shopping center somewhere on Memorial jacked up the leasing rents. Stores in that location are leaving faster than a cockroach can scramble in daylight.

Books-A-Million and Bath & Body Works

I strongly advise you to contact them with superb incentives to relocate to Crossroads Mall.

.....

If anyone can contact Books-A-Million and Bath & Body works management, please do inform them of Crossroads Mall's revival. Hopefully they are aware of the Crossroads Mall breaking news. Thanks!

Now, we need to alert many other stores by contacting management.

Ah, the excitable boy never rests. :-) Go get 'em, Tiger. :-D

Ah, the excitable boy never rests. :-) Go get 'em, Tiger. :-D

*growls* I'd like to see what they look like first. :-P

Books-A-million is buying some of the closing/bankrupt Borders locations, so if they are moving, I would think they might be looking at going into the now closed Borders store on NW Expressway (currently a temp Halloween Store). Course they could have a southside location too.

While rent may still be cheaper @ Crossroads, didn't the new owners indicate they were going to be raising rents too?
http://newsok.com/buzz-surrounds-future-of-oklahoma-citys-crossroads-mall/article/3604338?custom_click=lead_story_title

But the excitement of tenants like Tegart may damper when they discover the rock-bottom rent they've been receiving is likely to rise. John Wooley II, a spokesman for the mall's new owner, Raptor Properties LLC, said all the current tenants have short-term leases and when it's time to renew, rates will be more “competitive.”

Books-A-million is buying some of the closing/bankrupt Borders locations, so if they are moving, I would think they might be looking at going into the now closed Borders store on NW Expressway (currently a temp Halloween Store). Course they could have a southside location too.

While rent may still be cheaper @ Crossroads, didn't the new owners indicate they were going to be raising rents too?
http://newsok.com/buzz-surrounds-future-of-oklahoma-citys-crossroads-mall/article/3604338?custom_click=lead_story_title

I think they will raise rent, but not to the levels the old owners did, that drove out the stores. Plus the new owners are actually listening to what the merchants wanted the most, which was for the mall to be renovated and modernized.

I think they know what issues the merchants held to their chest back in the day and will stop from repeating the same mistakes the old owners did.

I think they will raise rent, but not to the levels the old owners did, that drove out the stores. Plus the new owners are actually listening to what the merchants wanted the most, which was for the mall to be renovated and modernized.

I think they know what issues the merchants held to their chest back in the day and will stop from repeating the same mistakes the old owners did.

Correct.

I think its the most logical decision ever made in the history of CRM. Start the rent low with incentives. This will attract past and new businesses. Gradually increase the rent annually to a competitive level. I am sure the dudes will basically keep rent just a tiny bit lower than area/state/national average in order to be competitive.

I'd like to know if every space has its own electric meter or does OG&E send CRM one whole bill? If its just one gigantic monthly electric bill, then businesses better darn understand the electricity rates, how much they use, and the electric usage to crank up the AC and Heater that has to affect the entire mall as well.

Yup, the dudes know of all that. :-D

megax11, we should meet and toast a celebration. I was your only true believer. Never once did I let you down.

Correct.

I think its the most logical decision ever made in the history of CRM. Start the rent low with incentives. This will attract past and new businesses. Gradually increase the rent annually to a competitive level. I am sure the dudes will basically keep rent just a tiny bit lower than area/state/national average in order to be competitive.

I'd like to know if every space has its own electric meter or does OG&E send CRM one whole bill? If its just one gigantic monthly electric bill, then businesses better darn understand the electricity rates, how much they use, and the electric usage to crank up the AC and Heater that has to affect the entire mall as well.

Yup, the dudes know of all that. :-D

megax11, we should meet and toast a celebration. I was your only true believer. Never once did I let you down.

LOL! Perhaps we can all have a celebration at the renovated CRM after it hits capacity again.

LOL! Perhaps we can all have a celebration at the renovated CRM after it hits capacity again.

Yes, you should organize an OKCTalk get-together!

(I will need heavy bodyguards.)

Just being realistic. I'm not saying it won't ever be a retail center again, but I'd quit focusing on the past and focus on the future. Focus on ways to re-use the mall for retail use in ways that obviously weren't working as a traditional mall. Traditional mall retailers are struggling right now, so you're going to have a hard time selling them on a failed mall. Someone mentioned Abercrombie, Hollister, and A&F. Abercrombie just pulled most of their stores out of Quail springs, so I don't see them even beginning to take a risk on Crossroads. JC Penney simply isn't coming back.

Dillards still owns its property, and it's been mentioned that they might consider putting a clearance center in the space. I actually don't think that's a bad move for Crossroads. Truth is, retailers often times only look at demographics within a 1 mile radius around the mall. Even though the south side has some pretty wealthy areas, the area right around the mall isn't helping any. But, that might not be a problem. Someone mentioned Costco. I think that's a GREAT idea! It's a new major retailer to the market, and it fits in well with what Crossroads can attract at the present time. If you're thinking upscale retailers like Saks, Niemann, Nordstrom, etc., I think you're kidding yourself. Be more realistic. But, maybe some of the clearance centers for the upscale retailers would work, like a Nieman Marcus Last Call, Nordstrom Rack, etc.

Just being realistic. I'm not saying it won't ever be a retail center again, but I'd quit focusing on the past and focus on the future. Focus on ways to re-use the mall for retail use in ways that obviously weren't working as a traditional mall. Traditional mall retailers are struggling right now, so you're going to have a hard time selling them on a failed mall. Someone mentioned Abercrombie, Hollister, and A&F. Abercrombie just pulled most of their stores out of Quail springs, so I don't see them even beginning to take a risk on Crossroads. JC Penney simply isn't coming back.

Dillards still owns its property, and it's been mentioned that they might consider putting a clearance center in the space. I actually don't think that's a bad move for Crossroads. Truth is, retailers often times only look at demographics within a 1 mile radius around the mall. Even though the south side has some pretty wealthy areas, the area right around the mall isn't helping any. But, that might not be a problem. Someone mentioned Costco. I think that's a GREAT idea! It's a new major retailer to the market, and it fits in well with what Crossroads can attract at the present time. If you're thinking upscale retailers like Saks, Niemann, Nordstrom, etc., I think you're kidding yourself. Be more realistic. But, maybe some of the clearance centers for the upscale retailers would work, like a Nieman Marcus Last Call, Nordstrom Rack, etc.

I don't know enough about Costco. Is Crossroads the kind of place they would move into? Especially when it would be their first time in the area. The owner mention some other stores that would be new to the area that they wish to attract.

There has been breaking news that the owner of a shopping center somewhere on Memorial jacked up the leasing rents. Stores in that location are leaving faster than a cockroach can scramble in daylight.

Books-A-Million and Bath & Body Works

I strongly advise you to contact them with superb incentives to relocate to Crossroads Mall.


Ummmm, not too many folks are leaving that shopping center (Quail Springs Marketplace), so not sure what you're referring to. Ultimate electronics went out of business because the whole chain went bankrupt. Books-a-million is leaving because they're likely buying the Borders location on NW Expressway....better location, and can own rather than lease. And if Bath and Body works leaves, it will be because they already have a store across the street in Quail springs Mall....never really made sense to have a store in that shopping center anyways.

I don't know enough about Costco. Is Crossroads the kind of place they would move into? Especially when it would be their first time in the area. The owner mention some other stores that would be new to the area that they wish to attract.

Costco: think Sams only a little more upscale.

What other stores did they mention?

Guys, if you re-read the article from The Oklahoman, there are some areas of concern:
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-citys-raptor-properties-buy-crossroads-mall-from-federal-reserve/article/3603937#ixzz1Xvw9HEks

If they think that minor cosmetic changes, like changing the Pepto-Bismol paint, are going to turn the mall around, then they're as crazy as previous owners have been.

They're also considering turning the larger anchor spaces into office space. There's nothing retail about that.

Guys, if you re-read the article from The Oklahoman, there are some areas of concern:
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-citys-raptor-properties-buy-crossroads-mall-from-federal-reserve/article/3603937#ixzz1Xvw9HEks

If they think that minor cosmetic changes, like changing the Pepto-Bismol paint, are going to turn the mall around, then they're as crazy as previous owners have been.

They're also considering turning the larger anchor spaces into office space. There's nothing retail about that.

That's only one thing they were looking at fixing. They specifically mention "TLC," which means tender loving care, which means it will most likely go beyond just painting the pink a different color.

Infact, Thunder posted a link to a video here, where FOX 25 mentioned they're going to do more renovations than just paint something a different color. Infact, they said they're going to use the renovations to entice people to come back.

They know what they're doing.

megax11, our friend, Brian, posted that link to that news video.

That's only one thing they were looking at fixing. They specifically mention "TLC," which means tender loving care, which means it will most likely go beyond just painting the pink a different color.

Infact, Thunder posted a link to a video here, where FOX 25 mentioned they're going to do more renovations than just paint something a different color. Infact, they said they're going to use the renovations to entice people to come back.

They know what they're doing.

Then they need to list specifics. Thunder actually already did a great job of this. The owners can take his list and get started!

Then they need to list specifics. Thunder actually already did a great job of this. The owners can take his list and get started!

It is what I want to see done to the mall.

Now, people will say that neon border all around atop the building is too excessive. I disagree. Sonic is famous for their neon lights. There are growing places having neon lights. Even a small shopping center on the northwest corner of Sunnylane and 15th in Del City north of a gas station has purple/blue neon border lights atop the building. Its just a creative and impressive display for the building at night and to make it more lively. It is also attractive and more noticeable.

Why I want it on Crossroads Mall? To propel the mall into the future. It will greatly boost the exterior appearance at night. People driving by on Interstate 35 and 240 at night will surly notice the lights. Those that do not know of the mall's existence will for sure find out as soon as they can during daylight. The mall will become more lively. The appearance will be...eh just pick a word. Something like 3 or 4 lines of neon lights all around. Can be all blue or blue/white or whichever colors combination they choose.

I'm not sure about the current rates for neon lights compared to the past, but I consider it a great investment as long they choose the right company, brand, and utmost quality. All of it can last for many years and quite electric-friendly, so like I said, a great investment to enhance the mall.

Also neon lights outline for new 'n raised signage on all sides of the mall.

The dudes can have bragging right to having the only mall in the state to be outfitted with neon lights.

I love the neon idea. A couple of th hotels on NW Expressway & May have them and they look great at night.


RED ALERT

...If anyone can contact Books-A-Million and Bath & Body works management, please do inform them of Crossroads Mall's revival. Hopefully they are aware of the Crossroads Mall breaking news. Thanks!

Now, we need to alert many other stores by contacting management.
Can cross them off your contact list... the Oklahoman had a pic in the "Buzz" story and the caption read "Bath and Body Works is one of the main tenants inside Crossroads Mall..."

I thought they left sometime earlier this year. I guess they are still there, which is good news. And they will be there for many years to come under the new management of two dudes (unless an F5 comes barreling down the path).

Also, I have another suggestion. To the two dudes silently reading this, but afraid to join in the conversation, please reserve a space for a LPS. That is Local Pet Store. Preferably the same space on the east side of the mall next to the anchor space (upper level) previously leased by Steve 'n Barry. There was a pet store for many years, Pets Unlimited, but they moved out due to previous owners jacking up rent. I think Pets Unlimited then reopened at a new location, but lack of customers (shame on you Oklahomans) failed to follow. Anyway, bring back a pet store that is unique. Not part of a retail chain. A Local Pet Store tend to have more knowledgeable employees. Pets such as dogs, cats, fish, birds, bunnies, hamsters, gerbils (stay away Mathis Brothers), mice, reptiles, critters, and more. There is already a showcase within the space that is outside the space (where the mall walkway is) where puppies or kittens are kept for special up close viewing, special sales, etc. Bottom line, bring back a pet store. Its rare to find one in Oklahoma. Consider this, the two dudes, this will be another feature/attraction that will also have additional target audience to flock toward the mall. Trust me, many times I just love going out there to visit our fellow animals.

(Btw, I would love that space for a Fish 'n Aquarium Supplies store. lol) Maybe one day, if this new business become really successful, I may consider relocating or expanding.

Oh, I have a special offer to the two dudes. Lifetime free rental/leasing space in exchange for me to start a brand new website for Crossroads Mall with pictures and videos of all the retailers, vendors, and so on. Including events, announcements, and so much more. Constantly updated monthly, etc. I can do that in exchange for a few grands to start up a business there along with lifetime free rental/leasing (the agreement will be kept a secret between the two dudes and I).

Sorry, but I would not count on Bates and Dillard being readers of OKC Talk.

Sorry, but I would not count on Bates and Dillard being readers of OKC Talk.

Then that will be their demise. They seriously need to learn about this site and listen up.

thunder, pets unlimited closed due to bad rep.. they got sued by a lot of people who bought sick puppies that died from them, pets unlimited never was able to make it after, thats why when they moved to their location in the walnut square shopping center, no one wanted to buy a dog from them after what happen with a lot of customers

Okay, time to sound odd again.

During some of my mall dreams, I remember being inside Dillards. This is after renovations to the mall, because the mall felt different. I remember hiding from my son, having fun. I was looking at the carpet inside this seemingly new Dillards and seeing beige carpet that didn't used to be in the old Dillards.

So anyhow, I go to Best Buy last night, for the launch of Gears of War 3 on Xbox 360. I see the lights on in Dillards, so I think "I should drive over and see what's up. It looks different inside."

It also baffled me, because the Dillards doors used to be boarded up where no one could see through, so I was also wondering why they were taken down. So I drive up and all the sudden it hit me like a ton of bricks. There is brand new beige carpet in there. As soon as I looked at it, I instantly thought about that dream I had, where I was hiding from my son on a trip to the mall with my at least my son.

So now the question is -

1: Why does Dillards have the boards down?
2: Why are they working on the inside?
3: Why do they have all new carpet inside?

Maybe they're going back?

Okay, time to sound odd again.

During some of my mall dreams, I remember being inside Dillards. This is after renovations to the mall, because the mall felt different. I remember hiding from my son, having fun. I was looking at the carpet inside this seemingly new Dillards and seeing beige carpet that didn't used to be in the old Dillards.

So anyhow, I go to Best Buy last night, for the launch of Gears of War 3 on Xbox 360. I see the lights on in Dillards, so I think "I should drive over and see what's up. It looks different inside."

It also baffled me, because the Dillards doors used to be boarded up where no one could see through, so I was also wondering why they were taken down. So I drive up and all the sudden it hit me like a ton of bricks. There is brand new beige carpet in there. As soon as I looked at it, I instantly thought about that dream I had, where I was hiding from my son on a trip to the mall with my at least my son.

So now the question is -

1: Why does Dillards have the boards down?
2: Why are they working on the inside?
3: Why do they have all new carpet inside?

Maybe they're going back?

I think it's already been stated that they're likely going to put a Dillards Clearance Center in there.

I think it's already been stated that they're likely going to put a Dillards Clearance Center in there.

Thought that had been debunked or fell through more than a year ago. They were supposed to have gone back last year, and it didn't happen.

I haven't heard any news as of late, of Dillards going back.

Dillard's will not be going back into that building as a Clearance Center since the news revival by the two dudes. If they are to ever come back, which they will, it will be as a full-scale store with spanking brand new carpeting.

Maybe I am crazy, and I'm the first to concede that possibility most days. but i woulda sworn that when Dillards was closing out a few years back it had beige carpet in most areas on the first floor except for the wide walkways.

Could be thinking of somewhere else, but I thought it was when i was checking for any interesting display pieces that were being liquidated.

Kevin, it was tan. Dillard's going beige to amaze!

Exactly. Glad to know I wasn't the only one who remembered.

The original carpet was a darkish tan, but slightly lighter than the wooden flooring.

My uncle owns a large commercial painting company here in OKC & Mike Dillard is a good friend of his. He told me about the purchase the day they closed the deal (we'd been discussing CRM's current sad state a few months ago & he knew I'd be interested). I asked him if he had any idea what the plan for the mall was going to be & he said that Mr. Dillard told him what he wants most is to keep it as a mall; to update the interior & lure stores back to fill it up again. That is the current plan BUT is subject to change depending on how much it's going to cost to get it to the point that they've got more stores. On the plus side of things, the asbestos was removed several years ago, most of the air conditioning units are in good working order & the last remodel that was done took care of most of the hard stuff. My uncle said that Mr. Dillard is very excited about this project. He said once they get a better idea of exactly what they want to change he will be going out to tour the property again & put in a bid for the painting job. I told him to keep me posted with anything he hears about it.

And before people start thinking this is yet another heard from a friend who heard from a friend who knows a guy whose wife's third cousin is the new owners lawn boy - pm me & I'll give you my uncle's name & the name of his company. I won't post it publicly without permission. Some of you southsiders from Grant probably know him anyway lol.

Please pass on the message that the two dudes MUST regularly come on here to be guided on how to renovate the mall. If they do not, they will fail. And that is Fail hardcore. Who cares about money. They must spend a whole bunch and risk it in order to revive and make money.

My uncle owns a large commercial painting company here in OKC & Mike Dillard is a good friend of his. He told me about the purchase the day they closed the deal (we'd been discussing CRM's current sad state a few months ago & he knew I'd be interested). I asked him if he had any idea what the plan for the mall was going to be & he said that Mr. Dillard told him what he wants most is to keep it as a mall; to update the interior & lure stores back to fill it up again. That is the current plan BUT is subject to change depending on how much it's going to cost to get it to the point that they've got more stores. On the plus side of things, the asbestos was removed several years ago, most of the air conditioning units are in good working order & the last remodel that was done took care of most of the hard stuff. My uncle said that Mr. Dillard is very excited about this project. He said once they get a better idea of exactly what they want to change he will be going out to tour the property again & put in a bid for the painting job. I told him to keep me posted with anything he hears about it.

And before people start thinking this is yet another heard from a friend who heard from a friend who knows a guy whose wife's third cousin is the new owners lawn boy - pm me & I'll give you my uncle's name & the name of his company. I won't post it publicly without permission. Some of you southsiders from Grant probably know him anyway lol.

No, I believe you. Do you happen to know if at the very least they plan on putting in a new tile floor? I wonder how much Mike Dillard thinks it will take to lure stores back. I can tell based on your description that the ideas and dreams of some members of this forum go beyond what the new owners want to do with the mall. Certainly no major structural changes like a new food court, new entrance,more open space, attached movie theater, etc that others have mentioned.

jn1780 - My uncle didn't mention anything about the flooring. He just told me that they got the main CRM building & the two outbuildings (the tire place & service center I think he said). I asked him about Dillard's, whether or not that was included in the sale since I thought it was owned seperately. He said he didn't know, he didn't think to ask. We just talked about the financial aspect of things regarding what they paid versus what it'll take to make it a decent mall again. As I said in my previous post, that discussion was mainly about the asbestos removal, A/C units & previous remodels putting them in a good position to spend most of their budget on prettying things up. He said they'll know more once they get in there with contractors. Mostly he just said that Mike is a great guy & is really excited about turning CRM around. I'll update when I hear more. I'll be seeing my uncle this week anyway & have to get scoop on The Warren Theater; his company did the interior paint work on it & they asked him to bid the work on the new addition. The fun thing about that is that if he gets it, they'll get to go to preview night. When The Warren opened, we got to go have dinner & see a movie for free to test out the staff before the grand opening. It was a lot of fun!

Thanks for the info, Darkstar.

Perhaps you could help relay some of the ideas from us here, to your dad, who can then pass it by Mr. Dillard?

Never hurts, and we all want to see this mall restored.

First off, there should be new flooring. I know I've stated how I've seen the mall with white/black marble tiles with green/white marble diamond-shaped tiles between every 4 tiles, but it doesn't have to be that. Perhaps a beige-ish color, to match the new bricking near the carousel?

The main problem with the mall, is the "pepto-bismal" colored railing, and the flooring. If they fixed those aspects, the mall would be more modernized. The flooring had been there since the day it opened in 1974.

Just something to run by your father, who may then run it by Mr. Dillard.

I think it would have been cool if Mr. Dillard, or one of the owners, visited here and got some ideas from us. If not to post, then at least to view and get some of our ideas at a five-fingered discount.

I still think they need to dedicate a section of the mall to being a food court. The lack of consistency in the previous version of the mall, probably caused some frustration as well.

Why not keep the pink railings? :-(

OKC should be very interested in providing TIF financing to lure retail dollars back away from Moore.

OKC should be very interested in providing TIF financing to lure retail dollars back away from Moore.Do you think Best Buy might close the Moore store if they were given the proper incentive? Isn't this idea more a way to punish Moore than help OKC?

Asking, not setting up an argument, to try to understand the concept.

Any new info on when renovations should be starting on the inside of the mall?

Do you think Best Buy might close the Moore store if they were given the proper incentive? Isn't this idea more a way to punish Moore than help OKC?

Asking, not setting up an argument, to try to understand the concept. Probably not since those stores are likely leased long term. Moving the Crossroads store to 240 Penn Park will likely help both stores as far as turnstile numbers are concerned. If you think about it all the Best Buy store will now be approximately 15 minutes apart from one another therefore allowing each store to serve a large number of customers and they will be able shuttle traffic back and forth to each other when stock is depleted at one and overstocked at another.

I wonder why these two Oklahoma owners haven't spoken up yet about the mall? I mean why buy a mall for 3 mil and sit on it? The lack of updates make me think they don't care for the mall like I thought they did.

I wonder why these two Oklahoma owners haven't spoken up yet about the mall? I mean why buy a mall for 3 mil and sit on it? The lack of updates make me think they don't care for the mall like I thought they did.

They probably don't like media exposure. Just look at them....the two dudes. The media are bound to find out of their homosexual relationship together. Maybe they are afraid that people will find out and not go to the mall ever again.

:LolLolLol

I wonder why these two Oklahoma owners haven't spoken up yet about the mall? I mean why buy a mall for 3 mil and sit on it? The lack of updates make me think they don't care for the mall like I thought they did.

shocking

shocking

What are you shocked about? That our #1 mall still lives on?

They probably don't like media exposure. Just look at them....the two dudes. The media are bound to find out of their homosexual relationship together. Maybe they are afraid that people will find out and not go to the mall ever again.

:LolLolLol

Where's Jean-Luc Picard when you need him? He might need to bring along Riker to for that comment.

What are you shocked about? That our #1 mall still lives on?

Probably the fact you would make such a false and possibly slanderous statement, not very smart--------but not surprised!

Okay, there should have been some update about the mall by now. They bought the mall almost 2 months ago, if I recall, and no new updates.

I'm starting to think these new owners are flakes. Flakes in that they bought the mall for 3 mil, said some words, and are now putting a foot in their mouth.

I highly doubt I can walk in that mall and see anything starting up. I wish they would say something.

Okay, there should have been some update about the mall by now. They bought the mall almost 2 months ago, if I recall, and no new updates.

I'm starting to think these new owners are flakes. Flakes in that they bought the mall for 3 mil, said some words, and are now putting a foot in their mouth.

I highly doubt I can walk in that mall and see anything starting up. I wish they would say something.

You missed the story on KFOR? The two men are known slumlords. Now they have control of the magnificent mall, Christmas is looking very dim this year.

You missed the story on KFOR? The two men are known slumlords. Now they have control of the magnificent mall, Christmas is looking very dim this year.

Former magnificant mall; not so much now.

Okay, there should have been some update about the mall by now. They bought the mall almost 2 months ago, if I recall, and no new updates.

I'm starting to think these new owners are flakes. Flakes in that they bought the mall for 3 mil, said some words, and are now putting a foot in their mouth.

I highly doubt I can walk in that mall and see anything starting up. I wish they would say something.

Otherwise known as speculators or flippers. If you ever watch house flippers, the people that make out the best are the ones who just do mostly cosmetic changes like paint or cheap tile.

It takes a long time to collect enough discount mess up paint from Home Depot to do the entire mall you know. Lol

You missed the story on KFOR? The two men are known slumlords. Now they have control of the magnificent mall, Christmas is looking very dim this year.

Link please?
From talking with the new owners, I think they are waiting to see what kind of interest there is from retailers to move back in before they throw a lot of money into the property. It would be pretty foolish to pour millions into the place and then find out no national retailers want to lease space there.

Link please?
From talking with the new owners, I think they are waiting to see what kind of interest there is from retailers to move back in before they throw a lot of money into the property. It would be pretty foolish to pour millions into the place and then find out no national retailers want to lease space there.

You would have thought they would do this BEFORE buying the place. Doesn't sound like they knew what they were doing. This is much different than the little buildings they were doing previously.

You would have thought they would do this BEFORE buying the place. Doesn't sound like they knew what they were doing. This is much different than the little buildings they were doing previously.

Being the business men they are, I'm sure they did. Even if the mall is never updated/remodeled, the land is worth more than what they paid for the mall.

Link please?
From talking with the new owners, I think they are waiting to see what kind of interest there is from retailers to move back in before they throw a lot of money into the property. It would be pretty foolish to pour millions into the place and then find out no national retailers want to lease space there.

See, that's the thing. These flakes stated they were going to attract businesses back by showing them a newly renovated mall.

That makes sense, afterall. Why would businesses, new and old, want to come back when the mall looks the same? These guys need to renovate then use the mall's new look, to bring in some retailers.

However, these guys probably blew their waud cause they could get it for 3 mil, but really knew nothing.

See, that's the thing. These flakes stated they were going to attract businesses back by showing them a newly renovated mall.

That makes sense, afterall. Why would businesses, new and old, want to come back when the mall looks the same? These guys need to renovate then use the mall's new look, to bring in some retailers.

However, these guys probably blew their waud cause they could get it for 3 mil, but really knew nothing.

The mall is actually still in pretty good shape. I know they are doing a few small cosmetic things like putting in new carpet and things. Even if they decided to invest a lot of money into the property right away, what bank are they going to get to finance renovating a mostly empty mall?

Only a major national redeveloper could pull this off. I just don't have a lot of faith in 2 local Oklahoma guys pulling this off.

Here it is January now. Have they done anything at all?