So, I agree with PQ that 'racism is racism.' And that's what I saw in the very first post of this thread and I called it out. Just like I would if the situation were reversed.
Still, you DIDN"T call it out when people were attacking other groups. Moreover, you made a big jump to accuse someone of racism based on your subjective view of the world. You sound like a reasonable person and I'd expect that before you jumped in on that, you'd have asked a few more questions. It is bad enough in person to determine people's motivations. Online, it is a lot harder.

If I were that original poster, it wouldn't be trolling that would keep me away. It would be the meanspirited response I got. If I were him, sincere or otherwise, I'd think this group was nuts based on how they responded. Anyone reading this thread to get to know OKCTalk wouldn't get a complimentary picture based on what happened in this thread - and I don't mean the first poster. There are plenty of ways to deal with someone you think is racist besides the way some handled it.

"Considering I am hispanic there isn't much mind reading going on there."
Dang, Bro . . . Careful what you say: Some people could take that self-describing sentence as a racial slur regarding the cranial capacity of [a certain ethnic group] . . . If it was misread. =)

"And to be fair, I am half mexican, 1/4 czech, and 1/4 scotch-irish."
I'm a Euro-Mongrel, Half-Swedish/Northern European Other (including some Scottish and Irish!).

Since there were lots of "Vikings in the Woodpiles" of pre-Medieval Europe--including the "British" Isles, we could be cousins!

There seems to be a lot of Diversity going on here. And that's a good thing!
(I wonder if anyone knows the words to Kum-ba-ya in Spanish) . . .

So . . . Is it possible that the "extra attention" at airports is due to the Irish connection?
Or just overzealous TSA agents? (Sorry: Off topic)

Lol... It's not the Irish connection unless I've been in the bar already. :) And honestly, the extra attention in the airport doesn't bother me. Profiling happens and after 911 I just came to terms with the fact that if you sort of look a certain way the TSA folks are going to search you. The airport is not the place to try to battle that... if you do, the best case scenario is you miss your connecting flight and worst case involves the agents putting gloves on.

You want to talk profiling? Try being a woman in an auto parts store! <g>

The original post is, at best, very badly worded. At worst, it is a racist post from a troll. Since the poster has very few posts and one of them insinuated that OKC was a city of low wage jobs based on the fact that an outlet mall is being built, it wasn't hard to form an opinion. I think most people would welcome it if he returned and explained himself further, but he doesn't seem to be so inclined.

Agree, OKC needs more diversity not less. OKC and OK in general needs to move past its present state of uneducated, intolerent, single minded people.

Many legisators at the Oklahoma State Capitol would disagree with you considering the anti-immigrant bills they have passed. Having Oklahomans vote successfully against Sharia law didn't look tolerant, either.

Many legisators at the Oklahoma State Capitol would disagree with you considering the anti-illegal-immigrant bills they have passed. Having Oklahomans vote successfully against Sharia law didn't look tolerant, either.
There you go Bunty, I fixed your post. You left out the key word. Funny how that word gets left out all of the time when people discuss this subject. We have a system in place, follow it or risk the consequences. If it's not working fix it, but don't act like it's not there and then blame the ones trying to uphold the current laws. Please inform us of any laws that stifle legal immigration, if there are any.

Many legisators at the Oklahoma State Capitol would disagree with you considering the anti-immigrant bills they have passed. Having Oklahomans vote successfully against Sharia law didn't look tolerant, either.

How many Mexicans immigrate to OKC legally? How many do the laws allow?

The original post is, at best, very badly worded. At worst, it is a racist post from a troll. Since the poster has very few posts and one of them insinuated that OKC was a city of low wage jobs based on the fact that an outlet mall is being built, it wasn't hard to form an opinion. I think most people would welcome it if he returned and explained himself further, but he doesn't seem to be so inclined.

Don't blame him.

How many Mexicans immigrate to OKC legally? How many do the laws allow?
That is governed by the feds from the legal standpoint. State laws are limited to dealing with illegal immigration and as we have seen, have to walk a tightrope to keep from stepping on federal toes. Don't know how many legally immigrate. I am always astounded at how many immigrants (of any nationality) that go to the DC area. It is sooooo expensive there.

I'm not an immigration lawyer but there are several categories prospective citizens need to fall into to be eligible. The idea in controlling immigration is to only allow people citizenship if they can support themselves and aren't a drain on society. That's the main problem with illegal immigration - it guts our social services and turns the policy of bringing in only as many as we can afford on its head.

They don't parcel out among the states who can go where when it comes to citizenship. Green card immigrants can be students, have a good job and a sponsor, or other categories. Some have limits on time and where they can go. Actually, I am not sure where they can go is limited but living in an area that would defeat the purpose of the green card probably could get them booted. There are hardship cases where some people can be approved that amount to being given asylum to keep from being killed (refugees, for example).

Fantastic posts Penny, they reminded me of this great quote from Dr Ron Paul:


Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individual who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their intense focus on race is inherently racist, because it views individuals only as members of racial groups.

Some of the saddest cases I used to see as a guardian ad litem would be an American woman having children with an illegal. He'd get deported and sometimes try to get custody of his child/children to take with him. Frequently, these guys are already married so they can't marry their American Honey and stay in the states on that basis.

Alternatively, we'd get TWO illegals with American born children who would split up and one would want to go back home. Ugly, ugly.

The ones that used to tear me up would be long term illegals who would have families here. Often, the parents still couldn't speak English after, say, ten years, but the kids (both ones born here and ones merely raised here) don't know any other life.

The trickiest cases are when some children are treated as anchor babies and others are also illegal.

And I saw a ton of kids swapped back and forth between families in, say, El Salvador. Senor and his wife would be here, legally, but would send their children back to the old country and substitute a cousin for a year or two so he could get an education, then swap back and have to reschool their own child who would drop back into, say, third grade, and not know how to speak English. It is hard on the kids as you might imagine. As a mother, I can't even imagine how they could do that without their heart breaking. That was so common that I used to routinely ask for photos of the kids from the time they were little. Invariably, if they'd get busted, the changeling would be spirited back to El Salvador (or whereever) and Junior would reappear in his stead.

How illegals get in and out of the country, I have no idea. I suspect the ones with green cards take a child (their own or a different family member/neighbor) and make the swap. The airline and customs wouldn't know with little kids.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individual who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their intense focus on race is inherently racist, because it views individuals only as members of racial groups.
Love that! I am not sure about collectivists but no question, when we try to define individuals based on the group they are lumped into, you get a bad stew.

There you go Bunty, I fixed your post. You left out the key word. Funny how that word gets left out all of the time when people discuss this subject. We have a system in place, follow it or risk the consequences. If it's not working fix it, but don't act like it's not there and then blame the ones trying to uphold the current laws. Please inform us of any laws that stifle legal immigration, if there are any.

Penny, I got the feeling from Wambo's post that he REALLY doesn't want them here but that if they were going to come they should do it legally, as if that was a piece of cake. We would have vitually no "Hispanic" immigration if only those allowed by the quotas came. I am genuinely interested in the number allow into the country -- by nation, of course.

From State of Emergency by Pat Buchanan...page 11...

"America faces an existential crisis. If we do not get control of our borders, by 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived."

I agree. That doesn't make me racist - it means I know who and what built this country.

So I got to wondering if the original poster's comment was meant as a concern that illegal immigrants were increasing in their numbers and scope or is he just not okay with having to live and work with Latino Americans who have every right to live in Oklahoma City as he does. Because you have no way of knowing someone is an illegal immigrant just by looking at them. Does freedom and ability to live wherever one wants to live exclusive to one color of people? I wish the OP would explain where he's coming from instead of everyone trading jabs at each other.

So I got to wondering if the original poster's comment was meant as a concern that illegal immigrants were increasing in their numbers and scope or is he just not okay with having to live and work with Latino Americans who have every right to live in Oklahoma City as he does. Because you have no way of knowing someone is an illegal immigrant just by looking at them. Does freedom and ability to live wherever one wants to live exclusive to one color of people? I wish the OP would explain where he's coming from instead of everyone trading jabs at each other.

Please keep in mind that just 50 years ago we didn't have a census classification for Hispanics because there were so few of them in the United States. By 1990, there were 22 million...fast forward to 2011 and there's almost 50 million. That's a radical change in racial demographics over a 50 year period.

Look at one of the most prosperous South American countries....easily one of the most prosperous is Uruguay. It is very liberal economically, very liberal socially (first country to recognize same-sex marriage), but is strict on limiting immigration of mestizos. They want to preserve what the Europeans built. Some may be surprised to know that Uruguay is 88% white.

Look at one of the most prosperous South American countries....easily one of the most prosperous is Uruguay. It is very liberal economically, very liberal socially (first country to recognize same-sex marriage), but is strict on limiting immigration of mestizos. They want to preserve what the Europeans built. Some may be surprised to know that Uruguay is 88% white.

Interesting, I'll have to look that up.

Look at one of the most prosperous South American countries....easily one of the most prosperous is Uruguay. It is very liberal economically, very liberal socially (first country to recognize same-sex marriage), but is strict on limiting immigration of mestizos. They want to preserve what the Europeans built. Some may be surprised to know that Uruguay is 88% white.

If you're arguing that there are fewer cultural disagreements with homogeneity, then I would agree. If you are attempting to argue the superiority of whites of European descent, then we have to part ways. That argument is completely spurious. Look at one of the most prosperous Asian countries....easily one of the most prosperous is Japan. You may be surprised to know that 98.5% of Japan, for example, is Japanese. The interesting thing about that is that Japanese, surprisingly, are not of white European descent.

I think it is never a bad idea to assume the best before calling someone a racist if there is any doubt, whatsoever.

It depends. Can the speaker be assumed to be white? Can the speaker be assumed to be of any political persuasion other than Liberal/Socialist/Statist? If you can answer either of those questions with "Yes", then start screaming "racism" and launch the personal attacks and never look back. It doesn't even really matter what the speaker said. This thread is confirmation of that special brand of hate and intolerance that you see every day from the religious Left.

If you're arguing that there are fewer cultural disagreements with homogeneity, then I would agree. If you are attempting to argue the superiority of whites of European descent, then we have to part ways. That argument is completely spurious. Look at one of the most prosperous Asian countries....easily one of the most prosperous is Japan. You may be surprised to know that 98.5% of Japan, for example, is Japanese. The interesting thing about that is that Japanese, surprisingly, are not of white European descent.

I'll stay away from the Bell Curve debates, IQ, etc. However, it's funny you chose Japan, a country which is unashamedly protective of their culture. Japan has the tightest immigration laws in the world. And you are right, nobody would question the intelligence of East Asians. Just look at the names of our own k-12/university scholars here in America. Asian names dominate.

I'll stay away from the Bell Curve debates, IQ, etc. However, it's funny you chose Japan, a country which is unashamedly protective of their culture. Japan has the tightest immigration laws in the world. And you are right, nobody would question the intelligence of East Asians. Just look at the names of our own k-12/university scholars here in America. Asian names dominate.

I just wish the Japanese had protected their traditional culture from their pop culture. That is some creepy creepy ****.

Penny, I got the feeling from Wambo's post that he REALLY doesn't want them here but that if they were going to come they should do it legally, as if that was a piece of cake. We would have vitually no "Hispanic" immigration if only those allowed by the quotas came. I am genuinely interested in the number allow into the country -- by nation, of course.
Thanks for reading something into my post that wasn't there. What I said is that the conversation always goes to the wording "immigrant" instead of the more accurate "illegal immigrant". Why is that I wonder? I'm not the one parsing words. It's a little more difficult to defend if you word it right, isn't it?
That it isn't "a piece of cake" isn't my doing, but I'm sure it's by design. Citizenship isn't supposed to be a piece of cake or easily obtained. It's something that you are supposed work for, not slip in, stay hidden and wait for the next wave of amnesty to begin.
As far as me REALLY not wanting them here, you have no idea who I am or what I want. Some of the most vocal anti-ILLEGAL immigrant people I've known are LEGAL immigrants who went by the provided system and are proud of their accomplishment. If the current sytem is flawed (and I think it is) then work to fix it. A flawed sytem doesn't justify breaking the law and expecting the rest of us to ignore it.

I think I begin by saying, "I got the feeling......" That was intentional because I knew I didn't KNOW what you meant. I was explaining to her why I had said what I did in my previous post.

I think I begin by saying, "I got the feeling......" That was intentional because I knew I didn't KNOW what you meant. I was explaining to her why I had said what I did in my previous post.
Well, if I read something into your post that wasn't intended, I apologize. You will have to admit though, the way this thread has gone, it does make one come in with their dukes up, bobbing and weaving. LOL

Amen! :-)

Saw this yesterday and it reminded me of this thread. :lol2:
http://i.imgur.com/Pyd1h.jpg

:bow: :bow: :yourock: :bow: :bow:

All I can suggest to our native american friends in the comic is, "Don't accept any blankets from the white guys."

Where I lived in Virginia, we had Little Guatamala, Little El Salvador, a few Mexicans and quite a few African immigrants. Not enough of the latter two to give their part of town a name. Most of the hispanics in this part of the world are Mexican. The reference to Mexicans is not so stupid if you consider how most communities refer to their immigrants. Chinatown? Little Italy? Little Vietnam? It all goes to the community. I think it is a safe bet that most of the hispanics in the OKC area are Mexican.

Go to NW 16th and Penn.

Go to NW 16th and Penn.

What do you want me to see? I didn't say there are only Mexican latinos in OKC - I said the majority were Mexican.