Thought it would be better to open a separate discussion of the developmental projects/issues underway in this thread. That way the "Air Service" thread can remain just that, a discussion of the air service.

Pete, I understand this could be a thread for the Suburban Development forum, but I would like to request this remain in the Transportation forum, as it is a sub-topic of transportation within the metro.

Progress update from June 8th, 2011.

Atlantic Aviation Hangar/FBO and ARINC new hangar:

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Atlantic Aviation Hangar/FBO:
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ARINC Hangar:

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Shuttle Bus/Taxi Cab/Courtesy Car Staging Area (North overflow lot on the north side of Amelia Earhart):
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Shuttle staging area? Is that where they park at night or something? Man i wish they would have put a tram in instead of the stupid giddeyups.

There will be a a manned booth over in the shuttle taxi area, it is not for giddyup vans, its for airport express, taxi's etc... also it would be nice to put a tram, but with so many parking lots, a tram would cost way to much to go around to all those places.

Shuttle staging area? Is that where they park at night or something? Man i wish they would have put a tram in instead of the stupid giddeyups.

Here: http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=25348&p=432941#post432941

A tram would be very expensive to cover the different parking lots. It probably would not add much benefit to the current parking situation. The terminal roadways, parking shuttles, etc. are not crowded, there wouldn't be that much advantage to having it. We need to face the fact that we aren't an extremely busy airport, we have average passenger numbers for a city our size (actually below average to a lot of similar cities). It will probably be a long while before we see a parking shuttle run by rail -- if ever.

On the airport trust website I found a document titled Airport Construction Project Progress Report.

Of note:

Phase III Terminal Expansion study & environmental assessment (east concourse with at least 8 gates and additional retail/restaurants). Plan/study is complete at total cost of $1,350,000.

Checked Baggage Inspection System. $24,822,791 preliminary design complete -- completion July 2014.

Consolidated Rental Car Facility. $37,000,000. Presentations May 2011.

Parking Garage A&B Renovations. $4,000,000 bids to be let 6/28/11.

CCTV for TSA Secured areas: $4,100,000 to be complete 9/25/11.

4 million for a CCTV? that seems like a crazy high number.

I hope that means they are reworking the TSA areas in general. They were an afterthought because construction had already started before 9/11.

Also, if we ever get to Phase III of the terminal plan, I really hope they do something with the way arriving and departing passengers are all dumped into the same area before the arrivals go down escalators to the lower level. Not only is the flow a mess, it means those waiting for arrivals in the terminal hang around in the upper concourse area instead of downstairs. It's a mess and was a huge design flaw considering the entire terminal was just recently reworked.

1) Tomorrow the Airport Trust will receive the Phase III Terminal Expansion Plan.

2) Atlantic Aviation opened up today. A soft opening anyway. Photos here: http://www.atlanticaviation.com/Locations/OKC.aspx

3) Rumor is when United and Continental combine, the will take Gates 3,5,9. Leaving the airport with Gate 10 and a total of 5 unused gates (!). There is a possibility they will take Gate 1 or Gate 11 in the future, but that is more rumor on top of the rumor. The reason for leaving Gate 10 for sure is so they will not have other airlines blocking them in, the alley on the north side of the concourse will be theirs. A lot of times Southwest will block flights from getting to/from Gate 10 when Southwest pushes out.

4) Portland Ave. construction has received the NTP from city public works, estimated completion is Sept 30, 2013. Two years to do a 2 1/2 mile 4 lane road....amazing. What makes it amazing is the land is farmland, there is hardly any site prep or clearing required.

Here is the Phase III Terminal Expansion plan presentation.

It addresses the issues Pete brought up about congestion near the escalator cores at the security exits. Also, the East Concourse would be expanded to 3 gates at first, then the remaining 6 would be added at a later date. This also provides for Customs, so international flights would be possible. Hopefully the airport goes ahead with the Phase 1,1A plans, as recommended by the study.

http://okc.gov/AgendaPub/view.aspx?cabinet=published_meetings&fileid=1252695

Thanks for sharing that.

But in all options, they still have "greeter lounges" on the same level as the ticket counters and security check-in.

They need to direct arriving passengers down to the lower lever BEFORE they exit security. That way people will wait downstairs, which is the whole point of separating the arrival/departure levels. I can't believe they still aren't considering this.

The two down escalators/stairs (circled below in the recommended Option 2a) should be moved to the south before you exit the secured area. Doing this would also allow for a couple extra ticket counters without expanding the terminal building:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/wrwa2a.jpg

We're in complete agreement, Pete. But out of the options considered, the option that was selected (2a) was the best in regards to flow, and separation. The security checkpoints are at least out of the way of the greeter areas and the greeter areas are expanded, so it's not as congested. We do agree that they should be separated by levels, but that just wasn't in any of the options, as you point out, surprising.

I've never understood why there's always mass hoards of people waiting for arriving passengers as soon as you exit in front of the escalators. I don't think I can I say that I've seen this at other major airports. Usually people wait at baggage claim or a more open area. It's like mom, dad, meemaw and papaw are waiting for little Billy to get back from his first airplane ride.

3) Rumor is when United and Continental combine, the will take Gates 3,5,9. Leaving the airport with Gate 10 and a total of 5 unused gates (!). There is a possibility they will take Gate 1 or Gate 11 in the future, but that is more rumor on top of the rumor. The reason for leaving Gate 10 for sure is so they will not have other airlines blocking them in, the alley on the north side of the concourse will be theirs. A lot of times Southwest will block flights from getting to/from Gate 10 when Southwest pushes out.

I've seen Southwest crews push aircraft back pretty much in a straight line, the ramp is wide enough to where if a WN 737 was pushed back right on the taxiway line next to the terminal, an RJ of United/Continental Express could easily taxi by it. On the other hand, Gate 1 would be better for possible 757 or other large(r) mainliner ops because Gate 11, like you have pointed out before, is tricky to push back from.


I've never understood why there's always mass hoards of people waiting for arriving passengers as soon as you exit in front of the escalators. I don't think I can I say that I've seen this at other major airports. Usually people wait at baggage claim or a more open area. It's like mom, dad, meemaw and papaw are waiting for little Billy to get back from his first airplane ride.

I haven't seen that happen as much, maybe I'm lucky.

I've never understood why there's always mass hoards of people waiting for arriving passengers as soon as you exit in front of the escalators. I don't think I can I say that I've seen this at other major airports. Usually people wait at baggage claim or a more open area. It's like mom, dad, meemaw and papaw are waiting for little Billy to get back from his first airplane ride.

I don't think that's a major issue except for the possible congestion. Many passengers now don't check luggage because of the cost and have no need to go to baggage claim before exiting. Unless you have prearranged a specific meeting point it's possible you might miss the person you're meeting when they arrive if you don't wait in that area. I'm not saying it's the best option just that it's a more reasonable approach than you suggest.

then why have arrivals downstairs?

arrivals is downstairs, it doesn't matter whether you have luggage or not, you're supposed to egress the airport downstairs.

I've never understood why there's always mass hoards of people waiting for arriving passengers as soon as you exit in front of the escalators. I don't think I can I say that I've seen this at other major airports. Usually people wait at baggage claim or a more open area.

It's completely due to the atrocious planning and terminal layout. Now they are going to spend millions more and still not address it?

Beyond making the ticketing/departure area overly congested, it also gives arriving passengers a bad first impression of OKC. It looks like exactly what it is: a badly planned airport with everybody jammed into the one area you are trying to navigate just to get out.

Every time I fly in there I shake my head at the idiocy of it all.

then why have arrivals downstairs?

arrivals is downstairs, it doesn't matter whether you have luggage or not, you're supposed to egress the airport downstairs.

Hot Rod, egress means when you're leaving the building not where you meet greeters. As stated before, the problem is not with the people using the airport. They are doing what seems normal and natural based on the layout. The problem is in how it was planned.

that was my point, your supposed egress from downstairs, at arrivals. I never said anything about greeters.

As to the wrwa plan, hopefully it could be revised so that the escalators are moved back but if choice 2a is the one then it may not matter. But i think it should at least be an option. ...

To SkyWest or others at WRWA: Do you have any information concerning the new 5-level parking garage and if it is going to be painted or marked in any way? I think it looks pretty bad as it is now - just pure, straight concrete with no color or signage.

Not that I have seen. The old 5-story and 2-story (short term, rental cars) are about to undergo renovations though.

I've never understood why there's always mass hoards of people waiting for arriving passengers as soon as you exit in front of the escalators. I don't think I can I say that I've seen this at other major airports. Usually people wait at baggage claim or a more open area. It's like mom, dad, meemaw and papaw are waiting for little Billy to get back from his first airplane ride.

I canna speak for others but for us it comes down to this.

(a) When our elder son flies home alone, he travels carryon only. We wave, momma gets a hug, and we are car bound. Being down in the baggage area would simply cut into our limited time and it also would add to the baggage area's oft crowded condition. No thanks.

(b) When daughter flies home, it's with a grandbaby, and now there are two. SiL's military career gig means he doesn't always get to come with. So, in addition to seeing the world's most excellent grandbabies as early as possible, we are there to lend a helping hand to our daughter and grandchildren at the first available opportunity.

In days gone by, and they were not so long ago really, folks could meet flights well inside today's perimeter. We can't turn back time, but we don't have to voluntarily exile ourselves even further beyond the, mainly for show, security perimeters in place today. We don't crowd down into the ill designed bottleneck, but yeah, we arrive early enough to assure we'll be in plain sight and render assistance at first opportunity (and collect precious hugs), as do the other gp's when it is their honor to be on hand for the airport meet/greet.

I suppose that's our primary congestion reduction contribution. We rarely have both sets of GPs present at the same time.

As of right now nothing is in the works about painting or sinage in the new garage, the old garage(Garage B) is getting a face lift so to speak soon. I will report your concerns about the new Garage (Garage C)

that was my point, your supposed egress from downstairs, at arrivals. I never said anything about greeters.

As to the wrwa plan, hopefully it could be revised so that the escalators are moved back but if choice 2a is the one then it may not matter. But i think it should at least be an option. ...

I assume you were responding to my post in defense of people who greet passengers on the departure level when you said "then why have arrivals downstairs?" I haven't heard anyone mention any problems with people want to egress the airport on the departure level.

Here is the Phase III Terminal Expansion plan presentation....

http://okc.gov/AgendaPub/view.aspx?cabinet=published_meetings&fileid=1252695

SkyWest, or others: do you know the outcome of the presentation of the expansion plan to the Airport Trust last June? I wonder if they 'received' the study or did they select an option with plans proceed in the near future? I'm guessing the decision is still a ways off...............

They received the study. And they will pursue the central concourse plan.

Also,
http://www.flyokc.com/releases/CCTV%20Checkpoint%20Closure.pdf

Not sure what they are installing, but based on the filename I assume it has something to do with the CCTV system. I like how the title is misspelled too. Tehehe.

They received the study. And they will pursue the central concourse plan.

Also,
http://www.flyokc.com/releases/CCTV%20Checkpoint%20Closure.pdf

Not sure what they are installing, but based on the filename I assume it has something to do with the CCTV system. I like how the title is misspelled too. Tehehe.

DOK had the story today on the Checkpoint upgrades...it is for close circuit TVs.

AAR is getting an expanded 48-space parking lot, probably to be awarded a contract next Wednesday. If not the next trust meeting in September.

Concrete has started on the Shuttle/taxi-cab staging area on Amelia Earhart. I can't wait till they get that finished. The taxi cab drivers are dangerous how they park and congregate on 67th street by the control tower.

The taxi cab drivers are dangerous how they park and congregate on 67th street by the control tower.

Amen to that. I almost hit one of the foolish idiots 2 nights ago when he stepped into traffic without looking. He did not appreciate the cussing he got but he deserved it.

According to the trust meeting tomorrow they are opening a Request for Proposals to tenants wishing to lease or rent the old Post Office facility on 5700 S. Portland Ave.

Also the Taxiway H realignment and reconstruction contractor will be approved.

Not really any big ticket items to note. ARINC is expanding their ramp area a little bit...not much else to report on that hasn't been covered.

Was inside the terminal today, I did notice that the amount of CCTV cameras is about on par with a casino. They are everywhere in all the parking garages, they are installing the cameras at the AAR parking lots too. Also noticed the new fixtures for more in the terminal building. Can't say I have ever seen that many in an airport before.

So, when will the paint the new parking garage so the garages match?

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-airport-retailers-to-receive-major-upgrade/article/3602067?custom_click=lead_story_title

The trust on Wednesday will vote to approve an Architect and Engineering contract with C.H. Guernsey & Company for $3.1 million dollars for the construction of the Consolidated Rental Car Facility. Not sure how long the A/E stage will be, but looking forward to seeing some drawings and renderings!

http://newsok.com/off-site-rental-car-facility-is-on-will-rogers-world-airport-officials-agenda/article/3608222?custom_click=headlines_widget

This is great news. Hope it passes. This is long overdue. I was in Albuquerque last week and was just thinking we need an offsite car rental facility like they have. They have a much larger airport and much better designed transit system, including at the airport level and they are smaller city with way less going for it. OKC needs to catch up with the times on the airport and transit fronts.

As I've stated earlier, I absolutely hate this idea.

As someone that always rents a car when flying in, being able to walk across the street and hop in a car is a fantastic convenience. Having to stand around, wait for a shuttle bus in all types of weather, hauling your luggage on and off, then being dumped into the facility with a big group of others (meaning everyone scrambles to get into line at the same time) makes this infinitely more hassle.

Plus, it sounds like I will be paying for it through a "use" tax.

We need this now, why? We've added tons more parking and airport numbers have not increased significantly in quite a while. I was just in Milwaukee which is a much bigger airport and they merely remodeled the portion of their parking garage closest to the terminal to house all the rental counters with the cars immediately adjacent.


If they are going to spend $32 million on the airport, there are much better uses, such as reworking the absurd and embarrassing greeters lounge (or lack thereof).

They have started construction on relocating Taxiway H (on the east side of the airport).

I haven't seen anything on the trust meetings or otherwise, but it looks like they've started some dirt work south of Taxiway G. (Basically just south of 74th street). I don't know what they are doing, perhaps an equipment staging area for the Taxiway H reconstruction. Looks pretty big though, wonder if it might be a new hangar or something. I might have missed something in a previous trust meeting.

Lariat Landing .....

that is the new name of the portland development ..

this is from yesterdays airport trust meeting .... in the same meeting is a presentation on the new portland road alignment

Latest OCAT meeting, Construction progress file indicates Atlantic Aviation is going to expand their ramp area, and so is ARINC.

Both come to no surprise as both have been extremely busy lately.

Taxiway H reconstruction and realignment is also underway. Haven't seen this before, but it looks like they are adding a paved airfield road around 17L/35R too.

^Great news. I've seen some AWACS at the west hangar of ARINC not too long ago, last month I believe. Any chance that ARINC will get some heavy jets for maintainence at OKC? :D A 747 or 330 would not be a bad surprise at all once in a while.

I doubt it. ARINC is in the defense industry, until that contract runs out or gets cut, they will primarily be working on military stuff. They don't do typical maintenance, they specialize in aviation electronics (avionics) and things of that sort. With the size of their facility, they could no doubt change to do more maintenance type things if the military avionics upgrades got cut somehow.

This is not inside information or anything close to it, pure speculation on my part but I could see ARINC building a 3rd hangar in the next couple of years.

EA Sports, Brighton, Inmotion Entertainment, Pops (West), Bricktown Square are now open. Pops (East) is still under construction. The new stores look really good, nice and bright. They are unique and not the default stores you would see. I like them.

We'll get more variety for sure once the East Concourse is built. Good to see some local stuff in there too.

http://newsok.com/will-rogers-world-airport-unveils-shops-including-pops-ea-sports/article/3627990

Say I just got to wondering abot this... an aircraft viewing area somewhere in the new development would be a plus, I would go there every chance I got. Right now, it's just basically hang around on one of the airport area roads and risk getting spotted by a policeman or security personnel. I know airports in Austin and Houston have such spotting areas, even La Guardia has one, as does DFW (the new Founders Plaza on the northwest side). Man, I miss that observation tower we had.

Will Rogers World Airport expanding taxiway
By Brian Brus
Journal Record
Oklahoma City reporter - Contact: brian.brus@journalrecord.com
Posted: 07:16 PM Friday, December 30, 2011

OKLAHOMA CITY – Development on the eastern side of Will Rogers World Airport continues to drive infrastructure improvements, including the $6.4 million construction of a taxiway for heavy aircraft, airport officials said.

The work is being driven by companies such as Maryland-based ARINC Engineering Services Inc., which performs upgrades and modification work on military, commercial and corporate aircraft, airport spokeswoman Karen Carney said. That company recently expanded operations with a second, 60,000-square-foot hangar, and taxiway use has increased accordingly, she said.

The airport started reconstructing taxiway-H in October to allow for heavy aircraft running parallel to the runway. Will Rogers is designated by the Federal Aviation Administration to handle so-called Group 5 aircraft such as Boeing 747s and C-130s, planes that have wingspans of 171-214 feet. ARINC’s new hangar can accommodate three U.S. Air Force KC-135 tanker aircraft under one roof.

The taxiway needed to be moved over at least 500 feet to meet safety standards for those larger planes.

“It hadn’t really been an issue up to this point because the west runway and taxiway-A already meet that criteria for use,” she said.

“But what’s spurred this new work and made it so important is that ARINC and Atlantic Aviation have started to use that taxiway on a more regular basis.”

“The development of that east-side section becomes critical to the companies that may decide to move operations over there,” she said. “Otherwise, as it gets busier and busier, they might run into operational limitations. If they’re working on a Group 5 aircraft, they might have to wait for a Southwest Airlines plane to land before they could taxi.”

During the construction, the airport also is upgrading the pavement from asphalt to concrete. In non-aircraft work, the airport is has been relocating part of Portland Avenue and putting in new water lines. Airport Director Mark Kranenburg said earlier that plans allow for the development of about 1,000 additional acres, with an eye toward eventual retail expansion.

“We want to prepare this piece of land to make it as ready as possible for any opportunity as we market this area to bring new business to Oklahoma City,” Carney said. “We’ve proven to be a good home for them, and we want to make sure that the facilities are top-notch and allow companies such as ARINC to do their business without holdups.”

The taxiway contractor is TTK Construction Co. Airport officials expect the work to be completed by the end of summer, with allowances for severe weather.

Out of curiosity, with all this work is there any room left for a third n/s runway?

Out of curiosity, with all this work is there any room left for a third n/s runway?

They might still have room on the east side of the airport just to the west of I-44, but it is going to be a tight fit and probably wouldn't permit simultaneous operations. However, I doubt OKC is anywhere near operating capacity to justify a 3rd n/s option right now.

^A few years back OKC did a 20-year masterplan, and if needed (highly doubtful like venture said), the third parallel runway will actually go west of the current west runway, 17R-35L, and south of the crosswind, 13-31. In that configuration it would allow for simultaneous ops.

^A few years back OKC did a 20-year masterplan, and if needed (highly doubtful like venture said), the third parallel runway will actually go west of the current west runway, 17R-35L, and south of the crosswind, 13-31. In that configuration it would allow for simultaneous ops.

Yes, there is plenty of room for that on the west side. It would have to be shorter than the other two main runways unless the south end of the runway was much closer to 104th street. It's certainly doable though.

^A few years back OKC did a 20-year masterplan, and if needed (highly doubtful like venture said), the third parallel runway will actually go west of the current west runway, 17R-35L, and south of the crosswind, 13-31. In that configuration it would allow for simultaneous ops.


Key features:


3 Parallel Runways (New runway built west of 17R/35L, 17R/35L will become 17C/35C)

East and South Concourses Built making a T-shaped terminal

17L/35R and current 17R/35L will be extended from 9,802ft to 12,000ft, will maintain 150ft width

Current 13/31 extended to 10,000ft

Property east of Portland Ave. is marked as Aviation use.

Taxiways H1, G, and H2 are currently being extended to the fence of Portland Ave. for the above listed use

Property west of the new west runway and south of the FAA center marked for aviation use

Terminal Ramp extended to account for new South pointing concourse

^A few years back OKC did a 20-year masterplan, and if needed (highly doubtful like venture said), the third parallel runway will actually go west of the current west runway, 17R-35L, and south of the crosswind, 13-31. In that configuration it would allow for simultaneous ops.


Yes, there is plenty of room for that on the west side. It would have to be shorter than the other two main runways unless the south end of the runway was much closer to 104th street. It's certainly doable though.

Not a lot of room west...unless it is really off set to the south. You'll probably have to relocate the FTC to a new location if you want to space it west far enough to allow simultaneous ops on it and the existing 17R-35L. Though I guess you could easily just use one for departures and another for arrivals...however it is pointless at this point.


Key features:
3 Parallel Runways (New runway built west of 17R/35L, 17R/35L will become 17C/35C)
East and South Concourses Built making a T-shaped terminal
17L/35R and current 17R/35L will be extended from 9,802ft to 12,000ft, will maintain 150ft width
Current 13/31 extended to 10,000ft
Property east of Portland Ave. is marked as Aviation use.
Taxiways H1, G, and H2 are currently being extended to the fence of Portland Ave. for the above listed use
Property west of the new west runway and south of the FAA center marked for aviation use
Terminal Ramp extended to account for new South pointing concourse

Out of all of these, the extending of the north-south pair is the only thing that really shows any potential to happen. I guess extending 13/31 does as well. I am kind of shocked the aren't already at least 10,600-12,000 feet due to hot weather ops in the summer. Of course it is a 20 year plan and things could pick up locally for airport use. However, I don't see any purpose behind adding a 4th runway capable of handling larger aircraft when we are no where near capacity now. Also take into consideration how airports like San Diego function on only 1 runway - with over 80,000 departures last year compared to our 26,000. Our weather usually isn't all that bad here most of the time, so it isn't like we are dealing with delay issues like SFO and their fog.

Plenty of room now though to that the north/south pair to 12,000 feet without really impacting SW 104th.

The master plan allows plenty of room for the 3rd runway to sit SW of 17R/35L. The new 17R threshold would be at Taxiway G, the runway would be around 8,500 feet and would run to about 1,000 feet from 104th Street. There is plenty of room without moving anything.

The master plan allows plenty of room for the 3rd runway to sit SW of 17R/35L. The new 17R threshold would be at Taxiway G, the runway would be around 8,500 feet and would run to about 1,000 feet from 104th Street. There is plenty of room without moving anything.

Alright. That would make sense then. Likely to never happen unless something unexpected happens. :)

Alright. That would make sense then. Likely to never happen unless something unexpected happens. :)

You're right, venture. The airport has absolutely no need at this point for an additional runway and I can't imagine how many years it might be before that could change. How often has anyone ever been delayed here because of traffic congestion on the runways?

You're right, venture. The airport has absolutely no need at this point for an additional runway and I can't imagine how many years it might be before that could change. How often has anyone ever been delayed here because of traffic congestion on the runways?

There may have been one time I've been #2 for departure. LOL

Will Rogers is finally getting the full body scanners. They are slightly slower to use than the old system but shouldn't case any particular delays.

http://newsok.com/will-rogers-world-airport-in-oklahoma-city-will-receive-whole-body-screening-machines/article/3651668

http://newsok.com/will-rogers-world-airport-to-receive-whole-body-screening-machines/multimedia/video/1469777538001

Also a new concession opening.

http://newsok.com/the-coffee-bean-tea-leaf-a-california-based-coffee-chain-is-coming-to-will-rogers-world-airport/article/3651691

Shocked it took this long. I've been to airports with only 100,000 passengers a year that already have been using them for years. They are pretty neat in how they highlight areas of the body that need to be patted down. They take maybe 5-10 seconds to go through and are very straight forward.

Shocked it took this long. I've been to airports with only 100,000 passengers a year that already have been using them for years. They are pretty neat in how they highlight areas of the body that need to be patted down. They take maybe 5-10 seconds to go through and are very straight forward.

I"m fine with them but they are a little slower. Who knows why we are only now getting them. I wouldn't think expense would be an issue so there must be some other reason. I think Will Rogers has been able to avoid any disasters so far without them though.

Flew in on F9 Friday afternoon KOKC-KDEN and back yesterday. Full flight both legs. Impressed with F9 and their service. How can you not like the hot cookies? I believe I heard that F9 would be adding service to OKC. Rumor has it that F9/Republic may be taking over a large chunk of the flying for American Eagle in the near future. (This was told to me by a FA so take it for what it's worth).