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Architect2010
06-04-2011, 02:27 AM
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|category1=Housing
|category2=Bricktown
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|address=100 E. Main (http://g.co/maps/2nsph)
|status=under renovation
|owner=Andy Burnett / Zach Martin / Gary Berlin
|cost=$2 million
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|finish= 1919
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|height= 5 stories
|sq. feet=55,096
|acerage= .50
|other=Top 3 floors to contain 30 apartments
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|image=http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/midekewiki1.jpg
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http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/midekesupplyco.jpg


Information & Latest News
6/3/14: $4 million building permit application
3/14/14: Tapstone to anchor office renovation (http://newsok.com/tapstone-energy-to-start-mideke-building-renovation/article/4818408)
5/7/13: Renovation set to start on Mideke Building (http://newsok.com/renovation-set-to-start-on-mideke-building-in-oklahoma-citys-bricktown/article/3807095)
4/8/11: According to the April 8th 2011 (http://okc.gov/planning/planning_library/bricktown_ud/agenda.pdf)Agenda for the Bricktown Urban Design Commission [1st link on agenda], the MidekeMercantile Building at 100 E Main will have its third and fourth floors converted into residential use. The east side of the building will recieve 3 balconies on the third and fourth floors, with sliding entry ways built in replacement of the current brick facade.
Links
County Assessor Record (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R020026700)
Gallery

Spartan
06-04-2011, 02:49 AM
That is awesomeness. Finally some residential in Bricktown. They look like quasi-loft units with an open floor space, so I think these will attract some interesting people. I forget who owns this building now? Did Pitman buy it from Cotton?

betts
06-04-2011, 08:03 AM
I know originally these were to be unfinished lofts, to be built out by the tenant. I don't know if that's changed at all. I agree. It will be nice to see housing in Bricktown.

CaptDave
06-04-2011, 09:21 AM
I love the corner 2BR units. If only the kids were all in college or on their own.........

Pete
06-06-2011, 10:03 AM
Really, really hope this happens and is successful.

All those building in Bricktown and almost all of them are empty other than the main level. Hopefully, this project will lead to many others.

Rover
06-06-2011, 10:43 AM
This is really good news. Perhaps all those just holding property there expecting it to escalate will actually make significant investments to add to the utility of the buildings and help create the increased value. This has been an underutilized building where previous owners have tried to get by on the cheap and wait for someone else to make it valuable for them. New life in the heart of Bricktown will be great for the area.

Pete
06-06-2011, 10:47 AM
The Academy of Contemporary Music has to help here... They bought their building, are expanding and bringing lots of younger people into the area.

Also, the recent successes in Midtown have provided a blueprint on how to take an older building, renovate it and still make money.


It's really amazing that after all this time, most those Bricktown structures are still largely vacant.

Rover
06-06-2011, 12:50 PM
Too many local "developers" don't want to actually develop. They want to buy and hold property until someone else makes it more valuable for them. Too often they do the minimum to try to create enough cash flow to hold on until the area has created the price rise for them then they will bail. Very few actually seem to have a vision and an ability to assume risk. We have a lot of bunters and need home run hitters. It may take out of state companies to finally do that.

ljbab728
06-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Too many local "developers" don't want to actually develop. They want to buy and hold property until someone else makes it more valuable for them. Too often they do the minimum to try to create enough cash flow to hold on until the area has created the price rise for them then they will bail. Very few actually seem to have a vision and an ability to assume risk. We have a lot of bunters and need home run hitters. It may take out of state companies to finally do that.

You could be correct, Rover, but I would much prefer that it be done by local developers. OKC has not had the best of luck with many out of state developers in downtown buildings.

betts
06-06-2011, 11:18 PM
Here's part of a story by Steve that discusses all of the Bricktown developments being considered:

Gary Berlin, meanwhile, is teaming with veteran homebuilder Ron Walters to look at whether they can convert the fourth and fifth floors of the Mercantile Building at Oklahoma Avenue and Main Street into apartments. The pair will submit their plans Wednesday to the Bricktown Urban Design Committee as an early step toward determining whether the project is feasible. They want to create 10 apartments on each floor, with balconies proposed to be added for several of the units. The floors currently are vacant, and a big challenge Berlin has faced is how to add a required new interior stairway while keeping the development within its budget. Other questions they hope to resolve are whether they can get permission to add windows on the building's east and south facades — mimicking changes made two years ago on the nearby Candy Factory Building. Their tentative plans call for the apartments to range from 700 to 1,400 square feet, with rent between $1,100 and $1,700 a month. If the project proceeds and is successful, Berlin said he may pursue adding a penthouse to the rooftop.



Read more: http://newsok.com/developers-confirm-desire-to-get-busy-again-in-okcs-bricktown-district/article/3574861#ixzz1OZ3GFE8x

mcca7596
06-06-2011, 11:39 PM
I'm afraid that price range would still be a little too high for most of the younger set. I'm very confident they would quickly fill up though.

ljbab728
06-06-2011, 11:44 PM
I'm afraid that price range would still be a little too high for most of the younger set. I'm very confident they would quickly fill up though.

You're right that students from the School of Rock won't be flocking there but even at that price range it should be popular with a certain segment of the population. For moderately priced housing to be feasible directly in Bricktown would require very small units.

Spartan
06-07-2011, 06:12 AM
I'm afraid that price range would still be a little too high for most of the younger set. I'm very confident they would quickly fill up though.

I wonder how many roommates could fit in one of the 1,400 sf units. That much square footage for $1,700/mo is a good deal.

bombermwc
06-07-2011, 06:26 AM
Tell me the last time some college kid could afford 1700/month. Like I've complained for years, housing downtown still has a long way to go for anything but the upscaler. I had a 2 bed 1.5 bath townhouse that I paid just at 500 a month in MWC...still only a 20 minute commute on a bad day. Had a nice fenced area with plants (grew all my own herbs then) with a creekside view so I looked a trees from my porch/bedroom. Nice big living room. Washer/dryer in the apartment not a laundry center. So it was built in the 70's...i had nice quiet neighbors, fairly speedy maintenance, non-annoying office folks. That's what a college kid is looking for....cheap.

Spartan
06-07-2011, 06:29 AM
Tell me the last time some college kid could afford 1700/month. Like I've complained for years, housing downtown still has a long way to go for anything but the upscaler. I had a 2 bed 1.5 bath townhouse that I paid just at 500 a month in MWC...still only a 20 minute commute on a bad day. Had a nice fenced area with plants (grew all my own herbs then) with a creekside view so I looked a trees from my porch/bedroom. Nice big living room. Washer/dryer in the apartment not a laundry center. So it was built in the 70's...i had nice quiet neighbors, fairly speedy maintenance, non-annoying office folks. That's what a college kid is looking for....cheap.

Well, bomber. When I was at OU I rented a house for around $1,200/mo and had two other roommates. We split it 3-ways which worked out to be $400/mo. So basically it was a nice house with friends as roomie's in a nice Norman neighborhood, for less than you paid in MWC. The moral of the story is that if you're willing to think of creative ways to pay for housing, even in college, you can afford to live somewhere nice. Even after you've graduated, if someone is living in NYC there is no way they won't have at least one roommate in their NYC loft anyway.

Pete
06-07-2011, 08:39 AM
A rendering from today's Oklahoman:

http://photos.newsok.com/2/showimage/1437164/gallery_large?recordView=0

Rover
06-07-2011, 09:28 AM
Tell me the last time some college kid could afford 1700/month. Like I've complained for years, housing downtown still has a long way to go for anything but the upscaler. I had a 2 bed 1.5 bath townhouse that I paid just at 500 a month in MWC...still only a 20 minute commute on a bad day. Had a nice fenced area with plants (grew all my own herbs then) with a creekside view so I looked a trees from my porch/bedroom. Nice big living room. Washer/dryer in the apartment not a laundry center. So it was built in the 70's...i had nice quiet neighbors, fairly speedy maintenance, non-annoying office folks. That's what a college kid is looking for....cheap.

This is the problem thinking. As an example, a friend of mine has a son who wants to be an actor and moved to NYC. The cost was not a barrier. He works 2 and sometimes 3 jobs and has roommates. All this to be WHERE he wants to be to fulfill his vision. Whether it is a student at the music academy or a young professional working at Devon wanting to be able to spend extra time at work to progress and less time on the roads, it is going to be people who are driven to be there and are creative about it who will have to drive the demand. If the only desire here is to get cheap housing close to cheap drinks, to lay by the pool and get drunk, then it will not be a place where the "creative class" will want to wind up. The price isn't the problem, but the motivations may be. Let's not create a class of people setting the tone for our city where cheap is the only thing that is king. Getting what you want usually takes sacrifices and compromises. Doing little and getting a lot real cheap is not what the truly leadership class of college kids or young professionals is about.

By the way, $1700 does not really buy "up scale" for that kind of footage and location. The bar is higher than that.

Chautauqua
06-07-2011, 10:10 AM
They have those middle units configured all wrong, in my humble opinion. Kitchens are in the back of the space, beds in the front. The living areas should have views and access to the light... Bedrooms can be dark.

There are ways around the fresh air requirement. Just look at the Mayo Hotel conversion.

bluedogok
06-07-2011, 09:04 PM
Too many local "developers" don't want to actually develop. They want to buy and hold property until someone else makes it more valuable for them. Too often they do the minimum to try to create enough cash flow to hold on until the area has created the price rise for them then they will bail. Very few actually seem to have a vision and an ability to assume risk. We have a lot of bunters and need home run hitters. It may take out of state companies to finally do that.
I know that is one thing Dr. McKean was hoping what he did with JDM Place would do, spur other owners to "raise the bar". He was disappointed that it did not hapen.

mcca7596
12-28-2011, 06:06 PM
Steve or anyone else, didn't this pass the Bricktown Urban Design Commission? I'm just wondering what the chances are of seeing work begin on these in the next 2 years, as Steve had said don't hold your breath that it would actually happen when the story came out.

Steve
12-28-2011, 08:32 PM
Um.... don't hold your breath. But now you should hold your breath. Maybe (why do you people put me in this position?!?!???)

mcca7596
12-28-2011, 08:42 PM
LOL, so you're saying there's a chance.

UnFrSaKn
10-24-2012, 02:12 PM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/midekesupplyco.jpg

OKCisOK4me
10-24-2012, 02:13 PM
How did I know your post was gonna be a pic from the Oklahoma Historical Society?! ;-)

Pete
12-20-2012, 03:13 PM
Something brewing again with this building...

After several proposed residential projects for the top floors, it appears another one is in the works.

Marva Ellard and Andy Burnett recently approached the Downtown TIF committee about apartments.

Very preliminary but they may purchase this structure then renovate the upper floors for rental units.


Hopefully more will shake loose after the first of the year.

Urbanized
12-20-2012, 03:18 PM
If those names were involved it would indeed be exciting. I've noticed considerably more activity than on the upper floors in that building over the past few months; lights, open windows, etc. I figured something must be bubbling.

Anonymous.
02-14-2013, 01:40 PM
Any new details yet this year?


Would be really cool to live here as long as you won't be hearing/feeling the thumping from CityWalk down below.

UnFrSaKn
02-22-2013, 04:31 PM
Steve Lackmeyer: Building owners interested in renovating upper floors of Bricktown's old warehouses | News OK (http://newsok.com/steve-lackmeyer-building-owners-interested-in-renovating-upper-floors-of-bricktowns-old-warehouses/article/3757990/?page=1)


We also are set to soon see housing developed in the upper floors of the Meidike Building at 108 E Main. Brent Brewer is eager to develop the upper floors of the former Hunzicker Brothers building (home to Peachwave and Captain Norm's). The upper floors Spaghetti Warehouse, meanwhile, are only undeveloped because efforts to do deals with the out-of-state owners to date have been unsuccessful.

He misspelled "Mideke", formerly the home of the Mideke Supply Co.

betts
02-22-2013, 09:52 PM
Any new details yet this year?


Would be really cool to live here as long as you won't be hearing/feeling the thumping from CityWalk down below.

I was up on the roof for 4th of July and got to tour the top floor. There are some great views up there and really nice space and windows. It reminds me of what the Guardian space must have looked like pre-reno.

UnFrSaKn
02-25-2013, 11:35 PM
Downtown Oklahoma City civic leaders watch pace of housing, hotel development | News OK (http://newsok.com/downtown-oklahoma-city-civic-leaders-watch-pace-of-housing-hotel-development/article/3759081)

Urbanized
02-26-2013, 08:49 AM
I'm sure Steve can dig it up somewhere, but back around 1999 or 2000 OCURA sponsored a study that concluded downtown OKC had unsatisfied, immediate demand for as many as 6000 units (or perhaps people, which would of course be a bit different but would still equate to a large number of units). That is, if those units magically appeared overnight they would be immediately absorbed.

That was LONG before downtown boasted its current amenities and cool factor.

I'm not too concerned about housing being overbuilt; my only concern would be that developers would stifle the market by building tone-deaf product like some we've seen in the past (not naming names).

Regarding hotel saturation, I think we're far from that point based on the relative difficulty you'll have securing a room downtown these days. Last week I had a business guest in town, and he had a horrible time finding lodging, including being kicked out of the Sheraton mid-stay (he agreed to it when booking) to accommodate a guest with a pre-existing reservation. Properties are consistently quite full, and prices are quite high compared to the rest of the market.

I also doubt the economy choices currently coming online will have any negative impact on the outlook for a convention hotel. I think they will actually be more complementary to than competitive with.

I do think as Mike Carrier suggests that new properties downtown might start stealing business from outlying hotels, which is a different concern.

Just the facts
02-26-2013, 08:59 AM
Lost in the above discussion was the addition of housing to the top 3 floors of the Mideke building.

OKC Central: Mideke building may be turned into houseing | NewsOK Videos (http://newsok.com/okc-central-mideke-building-may-be-turned-into-houseing/multimedia/video/2189206842001)

Now back to the addition of 1,000 units in a single development. If that is a real project someone is looking at that it will be a real game changer for downtown and the downtown adjacent neighborhoods because those 1,500 people will bring with them a lot of demand for local goods and services which will in turn make urban living even easier for the next wave of suburban refugees.

ljbab728
02-26-2013, 11:41 PM
Steve's updated article about this proposal. The video was in a previous link.

Apartments seen for Mideke building in OKC's Bricktown | News OK (http://newsok.com/apartments-seen-for-mideke-building-in-okcs-bricktown/article/3759360)

Pete
02-27-2013, 08:24 AM
I moved a ton of posts here:

http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic-issues/33288-hotel-boom-shouldnt-bricktown-have-convention-center.html

Pete
02-27-2013, 08:26 AM
So, Marva Ellard & Co. are looking to buy the top three floors and turn them into 30 apartments, while the current owners retain the bottom two floors.

Very creative approach and one I hope to see more of in Bricktown, especially if this project is successful (and you can bet it will be):

http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r620-e2d1726b52b8491113f8f871d179c382.jpg

AP
02-27-2013, 08:29 AM
I can't wait to see how this turns out.

betts
02-27-2013, 08:31 AM
Having been inside the top 3 floors, I can say that it reminds me of the Guardian, pre-reno. So, I would guess the housing might look a lot like those lofts, which are great looking.

AP
02-27-2013, 08:36 AM
I wonder what the pricing will be like when it's all said and done.

Anonymous.
02-27-2013, 08:48 AM
This building is BEGGING for a rooftop deck/entertainment space.

Pete
02-27-2013, 08:51 AM
This is suddenly a hot corner...

This project, the Holiday Inn Express under construction directly north and the Sherman Iron Works & Foundry building under renovation directly west. And the newly opened Skinny Slim's is just a block to the east.

Would love to see the old foundry part of the Sherman complex sold to a bar/restaurant group, as it's fantastic space and would really help bring Main Street alive.

Just the facts
02-27-2013, 08:56 AM
This project received $500,000 in TIF funding from the City yesterday.

Urbanized
02-27-2013, 09:06 AM
As a mostly-untouched corner of the district, for quite some time I've felt Main Street was Bricktown's last, best chance to "get it right," from the outset, and then to have that hoped-for success spill back into the rest of the neighborhood. Perhaps this is the tipping point. There's no question in my mind that Main is the district's best opportunity to connect to and improve its reputation with locals, considering it is currently the physical buffer between BT and so much new housing.

BDP
02-27-2013, 09:14 AM
As a mostly-untouched corner of the district, for quite some time I've felt Main Street was Bricktown's last, best chance to "get it right," from the outset, and then to have that hoped-for success spill back into the rest of the neighborhood. Perhaps this is the tipping point. There's no question in my mind that Main is the district's best opportunity to connect to and improve its reputation with locals, considering it is currently the physical buffer between BT and so much new housing.

Totally agree. It's got some smaller storefronts too, I believe. Great opportunity to connect with the locals in Deep Deuce as a compliment to Bricktown's tourist approach. I believe a gateway is supposed to be built from DD into bricktown, which would pretty much dump you onto Main, but I believe the Aloft was charged with contributing to it. With their latest watering down of the project, I'm not sure what will happen with that.

Anonymous.
02-27-2013, 09:37 AM
There is a BBQ place in Dallas [Butcher Shop Steakhouse] that has a massive corner-lot outdoor patio that is very open and you can actually walk right up to the patio to be seated (without having to go inside the actual restaraunt). It has a staging area near the street below where local bands/artists can rent it out and hook up their equipment and play in the evenings. We were there in the heat of summer last year and the ambiance was amazing - people standing on the streetside listening, restaraunt patrons waiting to be seated listening, and people enjoying the evening outside. It was a very busy corner that would otherwise be dead without this patio and staging area. (Across the street is also a Spaghetti Warehouse).


I can only wish for OKC to have a similar establishment/area somewhere in the Bricktown - Deep Deuce transition area where a high pedestrian traffic area is developed into something special. Keep in mind, Main St in BT is not a high-auto traffic street, it would be perfect for this type of setting.

Locations that could pull this off that come to mind are the building adjacent Micky Mantle bridge [opposite side of Skinny Slim's].

Rover
02-27-2013, 10:24 AM
Why isn't Pearl's this type of place? Strategic corner. Space to do it. Already has "docks".

PhiAlpha
02-27-2013, 11:49 AM
This building is BEGGING for a rooftop deck/entertainment space.

I've been up on that roof...great veiws of the CBD, Bricktown, and Deep Deuce. Woud make a cool venue.

BoulderSooner
02-27-2013, 12:52 PM
timeline middle of may to 1st of june to start 1 year time frame for construction

Praedura
02-27-2013, 11:22 PM
Heyerdahl posted a nice big pic of the building over at skyscrapercity. It's a good one, so I'll post it here too.

http://landmarkhunter.com/photos/52/67/526729-L.jpg (http://landmarkhunter.com/183379-mideke-supply-building)

Photo taken by Rick Mattioni in August 2008.

bombermwc
02-28-2013, 07:03 AM
I'm really excited about this one. This is exactlly the type of thing Bricktown needs to have happen more often. We have SOOOOO many structures that sit with a restauruant on the ground floor, and nothing up above. It's so much wasted space and such a missed opportunity from the mixed-use density perspective as well. Take the Spaghetti Warehouse right next door. So many floors of bricked over windows....such a waste.

If we had more of this type of development encouraged and assisted by local government, we could really help round out the downtown residential market as well. We might finally see something other than upscale going in for a change as well. We all seem to hate The Centenntial with it's unholy stucco, so why not take such a classic building like this, and help it out?

The downside is the amount of work that is involved in turning warehouse space into residential space. So much infrastructure to rip-and-replace. But it's totally worth it in the end!!!!!!

OKCisOK4me
02-28-2013, 05:55 PM
Much agreed. Bricktown needs to have as much urban residential as possible. What would be great is to see that body shop in east Bricktown close down and have a grocery store go in there.

G22
02-28-2013, 10:58 PM
Tell me the last time some college kid could afford 1700/month. Like I've complained for years, housing downtown still has a long way to go for anything but the upscaler. I had a 2 bed 1.5 bath townhouse that I paid just at 500 a month in MWC...still only a 20 minute commute on a bad day. Had a nice fenced area with plants (grew all my own herbs then) with a creekside view so I looked a trees from my porch/bedroom. Nice big living room. Washer/dryer in the apartment not a laundry center. So it was built in the 70's...i had nice quiet neighbors, fairly speedy maintenance, non-annoying office folks. That's what a college kid is looking for....cheap.

I think Bombermwc needs to head up to Norman and drive around OU. Yes, some college students live cheap but some parking lots that are full of SUVs and Trucks that cost 40K to 80K. Mom and dad give them plenty of cash to spend and you will not find them living in a $400 rental house. A lot of new home purchases in Norman are made by parents of OU students. OCU Law School is moving downtown and I'm pretty sure you will see some law students and professors moving downtown.

Bricktown needs housing options for people that make 45k to 70k. There are plenty of young professionals that would love to live downtown if there were $850 - $1,100 a month options.

BoulderSooner
03-01-2013, 08:46 AM
I think Bombermwc needs to head up to Norman and drive around OU. Yes, some college students live cheap but some parking lots that are full of SUVs and Trucks that cost 40K to 80K. Mom and dad give them plenty of cash to spend and you will not find them living in a $400 rental house. A lot of new home purchases in Norman are made by parents of OU students. OCU Law School is moving downtown and I'm pretty sure you will see some law students and professors moving downtown.

Bricktown needs housing options for people that make 45k to 70k. There are plenty of young professionals that would love to live downtown if there were $850 - $1,100 a month options.

there are lots of 850-1100 option in downtown/midtown right now

Pete
04-10-2013, 07:42 AM
From OKC.biz:


Ellard has teamed with commercial real estate advisers Andy Burnett and Zach Martin, and builder Jeff Johnson to covert the top three floors of the five-story Mideke building in Bricktown, 100 E. Main, into 36 apartment units. McKown is again working with Wade Scaramucci, an architect with London-based Allford Hall Monaghan Morris, to bring a new multifamily project to vacant land just west of Level. The project is dubbed Mosaic.

The Mideke building team received approval for $500,000 in tax incremental financing money from the city council to help make the $6 million project a reality. Rather than price the units at the high end of the spectrum, the group plans to start rents at $600 per month. The highest priced units will be about $1,400 per month. Martin said it was important to make some of the units more affordable.

“So many projects Downtown have been built to capture the high end of the market,” he said. “You can’t keep doing that forever, and you have to build affordable stuff for everybody.”

Work is set to begin this summer, with completion in about 12 months.

betts
04-10-2013, 09:03 AM
The $600 rent will make it within reach for students at ACM, I would guess. That is some great space. I wouldn't be shocked to eventually see those units sold.

ChaseDweller
04-10-2013, 09:44 AM
The $600 rent will make it within reach for students at ACM, I would guess. That is some great space. I wouldn't be shocked to eventually see those units sold.

Yup. Good news indeed for ACM.

Anonymous.
04-10-2013, 01:37 PM
1400? That is pretty damn good considering those corner units look to be pretty good size and the views would be great. Those two bedroom units look comparable to the Maywood lofts, which run in the 1800-2100 range.

Pete
06-21-2013, 10:01 AM
$2,000,000 building permit today for this project.

Looks like it's getting ready to roll!

Urbanized
06-21-2013, 03:34 PM
Excellent!

Spartan
06-21-2013, 08:41 PM
The $600 rent will make it within reach for students at ACM, I would guess. That is some great space. I wouldn't be shocked to eventually see those units sold.

600. wow.

Pete
08-06-2013, 02:29 PM
This project set to go before the Bricktown Design Review Committee on 8/14.

Note, they have deleted the balconies:



http://www.okctalk.com/images/wikiphotos/mideke8613a.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/wikiphotos/mideke8613b.jpg