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jn1780
05-23-2011, 11:08 PM
Well, who had Mavs win series 4-1, because that's the way its looking right now.

dmoor82
05-23-2011, 11:09 PM
EPIC letdown!!Up 15 with 4 1/2 minutes,and cant close it out!When a team goes up 3-1 in a series they win 94% of the time!

Dustin
05-23-2011, 11:10 PM
Weeelllppp I'm done.. Can't handle anymore... See you next season thunder.

Kerry
05-23-2011, 11:12 PM
That sucked. If you only score 6 points in the last 9 minutes of a game you don't deserve to win.

dmoor82
05-23-2011, 11:13 PM
I litteraly feel SICK right now!

SOONER8693
05-23-2011, 11:14 PM
That has to go down as one of the biggest choke jobs in the history of sports.

progressiveboy
05-23-2011, 11:16 PM
Dallas has a much older rooster of players (age wise) versus the young OKC Thunder and they still can't seem to shake Big D. My prediction will be Dallas all the way.They blew a 15 point lead? Maybe next year Thunder?

Kerry
05-23-2011, 11:30 PM
That has to go down as one of the biggest choke jobs in the history of sports.

That honor still goes to Dallas. They had a 24 point lead in the 4th against Portland and lost. However, they still won the series. I just don't see how OKC can win 3 in a row but I will be watching until the final buzzer anyhow.

SkyWestOKC
05-23-2011, 11:56 PM
Wow. Just wow. That is all. I am furious right now.

Spartan
05-23-2011, 11:58 PM
That sucked. If you only score 6 points in the last 9 minutes of a game you don't deserve to win.

Agreed, that was an absolute abortion. But you have to wonder how much of it had to do with Harden fouling out...

Kerry
05-24-2011, 12:06 AM
Agreed, that was an absolute abortion. But you have to wonder how much of it had to do with Harden fouling out...

He is a bench player - it shouldn't have mattered. Harden only had 7 points. A boat-load of turnovers and bad shots in the 4th quarter cost them the game.

Spartan
05-24-2011, 01:15 AM
I think Harden has proven in this series that he is a little more than just a bench player...

Stan Silliman
05-24-2011, 07:04 AM
A few things.
1) After the flagrant by Brendon Haywood, KD was off his game, shot wise. I think he hurt his wrist or hand.
2) Collison needed a little rest. It would have kept him from being in with five fouls.
3) Lack of trust in your bench guys will bite you. Daquan Cook and Nazr have contributed all year. NM should be in there every time Brendan Haywood goes in.
4) Perk played his best game in months. Hope it's a sign he'll be 50 % better next year.
5) When Harden fouls out, I wouldn't mind seeing Eric Maynor in there WITH Westbrook. Maynor at the point and Westbrook at the two. No Sef. More ball handlers.

kevinpate
05-24-2011, 08:20 AM
age and experience once again overcomes youth and desire [insert preferred expletive and/or grunt here].

G.Walker
05-24-2011, 08:33 AM
Losing a 15pt lead with less then 5 mins left in a WCF is unacceptable, they deserve to lose the game. However, the true definition of a good team, is a team that can get back up when they are knocked down, when they are at their lowest point. I don't think OKC will win this series, but it will be interesting to see how they play tomorrow night. The Thunder have never been in this situation, facing elimination this year.

One of two things will happen tomorrow night, either they will lay down, and give the game to Dallas, or they will come out and fight, and give it their all, as now they have to play every game hard, because it could be their last.

The good thing is that the series is not over, they still have an opportunity to win, and at least force a game 6 here in OKC! Go Thunder, I am still with you, don't write them off just yet!

td25er
05-24-2011, 09:05 AM
Losing a 15pt lead with less then 5 mins left in a WCF is unacceptable, they deserve to lose the game. However, the true definition of a good team, is a team that can get back up when they are knocked down, when they are at their lowest point. I don't think OKC will win this series, but it will be interesting to see how they play tomorrow night. The Thunder have never been in this situation, facing elimination this year.

One of two things will happen tomorrow night, either they will lay down, and give the game to Dallas, or they will come out and fight, and give it their all, as now they have to play every game hard, because it could be their last.

The good thing is that the series is not over, they still have an opportunity to win, and at least force a game 6 here in OKC! Go Thunder, I am still with you, don't write them off just yet!

I'm pretty sure game 7 against Memphis counts as "facing elimination".

When the f will the Thunder come up with something better than 30 foot chucks on potential game-winning shots? I can think of one game winner by Durant against NY. Any others? 1 in three years in OKC? If that is the best Brooks can come up with (or if he's too stubborn/stupid to TRY SOMETHING ELSE), 30 foot chucks, he doesn't need to be our coach.

Westbrook, you seriously can't make 1 freaking free throw?

KD and WB, 15 turnovers?

modernism
05-24-2011, 09:11 AM
What mean by "facing elimination" I mean being down in the series, and having to win on the road. Even though Memphis forced a game 7, we were still the better team, and had home court advantage. This situation is totally different. I also don't understand why Scott Brooks called for a 3pt play at end of regulation. The game was tied, we only needed a 2 to win the game. Westbrook should have drove to the basket, which would have increased our chances of winning the game dramatically. One of three things would have happened, he either would have got fouled, made the shot to win the game, or miss the shot to go into overtime.

G.Walker
05-24-2011, 09:15 AM
I'm pretty sure game 7 against Memphis counts as "facing elimination".

When the f will the Thunder come up with something better than 30 foot chucks on potential game-winning shots? I can think of one game winner by Durant against NY. Any others? 1 in three years in OKC? If that is the best Brooks can come up with (or if he's too stubborn/stupid to TRY SOMETHING ELSE), 30 foot chucks, he doesn't need to be our coach.

Westbrook, you seriously can't make 1 freaking free throw?

KD and WB, 15 turnovers?

Our chances were a lot better against Memphis, as we had home court. Now we have to go on the road and win in Dallas, we will truly see how tough OKC is tomm night. The only thing we have on our side is that fatigue my start to set in on Dallas, as they are the older team.

Of Sound Mind
05-24-2011, 09:20 AM
Wow! How quickly we turn on the team! Wow!

Pete
05-24-2011, 09:22 AM
That was of course extremely disappointing but I'll be very interested in how the team bounces back.

It would be nice to beat them in Dallas and get another crack at home. Can't believe we lost both those games in OKC.

Still, the Thunder are a team of unprecedented youth and we all tend to forget that some times.

Jesseda
05-24-2011, 09:25 AM
Im not a crazy basketball fan, but i am proud of our Thunder, they made it this far, they gone a lot farther then a lot of other pro teams.. Im proud of the thunder no matter what happens.

bombermwc
05-24-2011, 09:38 AM
It's great we are at this point...but we have to stop playing like college kids and play like professionals, meaning play the entire game! It's so frustrating to see them lose the game in the end or have to go into overtime after they blow a 15-20 point lead in the last 5 minutes. I don't understand why the players can't learn that lesson and stop goofing off at the end. In the NBA, there is no such thing as a sure thing...especially at the end of the game...otherwise we'd have another 7 or so wins under our belt this season and would have gotten a higher place in the playoffs.

G.Walker
05-24-2011, 10:06 AM
I don't think it had to do with goofing off. I think it was greed! We had a 15pt lead, so there was no reason for us to focus on scoring, but we kept forcing bad shots, and trying to increase the lead. I mean what the the hell are you taking 3pt attempts when you have a 15pt lead? All you have to do at that point is milk the clock and play some defense. But the Thunder were greedy, they wanted to show off, and be "stars" on a big stage, and it came back to bite them.

OKCJapan
05-24-2011, 06:06 PM
You are right about blowing a 15 point lead in the last 5 minutes. However, The officials gave the game to Dallas in the first half. I listened to the game on the internet because I am here in Japan and was not able to see it on TV. Pinto and Long repeatedly said that the officials were punishing the Thunder for their aggressiveness with silly foul calls that should have been no calls, thus putting Dallas on the foul line numerous times where they scored over 20 points in the first half. If you take half of the no calls away Thunder wins.

Just goes to show you that I still think that the NBA still decides who they want in the finals.

OKCJapan
05-24-2011, 06:06 PM
You are right about blowing a 15 point lead in the last 5 minutes. However, The officials gave the game to Dallas in the first half. I listened to the game on the internet because I am here in Japan and was not able to see it on TV. Pinto and Long repeatedly said that the officials were punishing the Thunder for their aggressiveness with silly foul calls that should have been no calls, thus putting Dallas on the foul line numerous times where they scored over 20 points in the first half. If you take half of the no calls away Thunder wins.

Just goes to show you that I still think that the NBA still decides who they want in the finals.

MikeOKC
05-24-2011, 07:02 PM
Just goes to show you that I still think that the NBA still decides who they want in the finals.

I don't buy that. That would be a HUGE story, too many would have to be involved. Talk about completely blowing the credibility of the NBA -- it would destroy the sport.

Easy180
05-24-2011, 09:18 PM
Think the NBA might prefer KD and Westbrook over Nowitzki

ljbab728
05-24-2011, 11:45 PM
Wow! How quickly we turn on the team! Wow!

No kidding. And now some want to get rid of our coach who was the coach of the year last year and brought our team from nowhere two years ago to the Western Conference Finals. LOL
You would almost think these were OU football fans talking.

venture
05-25-2011, 12:28 AM
The joys of living in a college sports town...fans are so fair weatherish, it is disgusting. I remember in Stoops' 2nd year at OU. How fast those stupid window flags arrived when they were winning and headed to the National Championship. Nothing but a bunch of fair weather idiots that will vanish when things go bad. Opponent players love when they make a big play and silence the home crowd...perhaps that is when all the lazy asses should stand up and shout louder?

betts
05-25-2011, 12:40 AM
No kidding. And now some want to get rid of our coach who was the coach of the year last year and brought our team from nowhere two years ago to the Western Conference Finals. LOL
You would almost think these were OU football fans talking.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Remember Barry Switzer talking about having to feed the beast? I keep the memory of the afternoon of New Year's Eve 2008 in my mind always. We were 2-29 at that point in time. It's almost unimagineable to go from that to the Western Conference Finals in two years, much less with one of the youngest and thus most inexperienced teams and coaches in the league. We should be thanking our lucky stars, no matter the outcome of this series or any game.

OKCJapan
05-25-2011, 02:34 AM
I totally agree.

okcpulse
05-25-2011, 11:05 AM
There is a difference between OU and OSU fans. OSU fans are loyal people. OU fans are not. I am hoping that the supermajority of Thudner fans are OSU fans, or are just neutral, which makes it easier for the Thunder to earn loyalty. Blazers fans were loyal people as well.

Stan Silliman
05-25-2011, 11:10 AM
I don't think it had to do with goofing off. I think it was greed! We had a 15pt lead, so there was no reason for us to focus on scoring, but we kept forcing bad shots, and trying to increase the lead. I mean what the the hell are you taking 3pt attempts when you have a 15pt lead? All you have to do at that point is milk the clock and play some defense. But the Thunder were greedy, they wanted to show off, and be "stars" on a big stage, and it came back to bite them.

You can't milk the clock in the NBA. The 24 second rule negates any stalling. I don't think it was greed, it was about survival. If you do not increase your lead, you lose it. Stalling, or any kind of prevent offense, rather than running your best offense is the best recipe for failure. The reason we were hoisting threes, was because we weren't trying to score in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock with four minutes left in the game.

You can't apply college logic. The best thing we can do with a 15 point lead is get to the free throw line or trade baskets. Trading baskets is actually very desirable, even if it's a 15 second against 15 second transfer. It means giving them interior shots without fouling and forcing them off the three point line.

Stan Silliman
05-25-2011, 11:35 AM
There is a difference between OU and OSU fans. OSU fans are loyal people. OU fans are not. I am hoping that the supermajority of Thudner fans are OSU fans, or are just neutral, which makes it easier for the Thunder to earn loyalty. Blazers fans were loyal people as well.

Ridiculous statement. OU fans not only outnumber OSU fans, there's a waiting list of 5000 for football tickets. OSU, with some of their best football teams in years, is not even filling their stadium. Thousands of OU fans have had season tickets for decades.
By the way, I'm not disparaging Cowboys fans, just don't think they're any more loyal than Sooners.

Bill Robertson
05-25-2011, 11:44 AM
There is a difference between OU and OSU fans. OSU fans are loyal people. OU fans are not. I am hoping that the supermajority of Thunder fans are OSU fans, or are just neutral, which makes it easier for the Thunder to earn loyalty. Blazers fans were loyal people as well.Possibly true for some but not most. We went to most all OU home football games when they were great before, all through the years they were terrible and now that they're good again. Quite a few baseball and basketball games whether they're good that year or not. Will do the same for the Thunder and Barons. Why do OSU fans seem to always have to put down OU fans. Envy?

G.Walker
05-25-2011, 11:53 AM
You can't milk the clock in the NBA. The 24 second rule negates any stalling. I don't think it was greed, it was about survival. If you do not increase your lead, you lose it. Stalling, or any kind of prevent offense, rather than running your best offense is the best recipe for failure. The reason we were hoisting threes, was because we weren't trying to score in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock with four minutes left in the game.

You can't apply college logic. The best thing we can do with a 15 point lead is get to the free throw line or trade baskets. Trading baskets is actually very desirable, even if it's a 15 second against 15 second transfer. It means giving them interior shots without fouling and forcing them off the three point line.

I disagree, you can milk the clock in the NBA. The strategy would be to use most of the 24 seconds as you can. Time was on our side, but not Dallas, there was more pressure on Dallas to score. So by using up most of the clock, puts more pressure on Dallas, and forces them to take bad shots, forces them to use valuable timeouts, and gives them a inadequate chance to win the game. With only 4:48 left, with a 24 second clock used, limits both teams possessions to 4.

G.Walker
05-25-2011, 12:01 PM
Moreover, looking at the 4th quarter play-by-play Dallas had 10 possessions in the final 4:48, if we would have milked the clock, we could have brought those possessions down to say 5.

OKCisOK4me
05-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Ridiculous statement. OU fans not only outnumber OSU fans, there's a waiting list of 5000 for football tickets. OSU, with some of their best football teams in years, is not even filling their stadium. Thousands of OU fans have had season tickets for decades.
By the way, I'm not disparaging Cowboys fans, just don't think they're any more loyal than Sooners.

I hate when a thread goes off tangent but why don't you compare some pricing options. OSU has way smaller a stadium than OU and to cover the costs (even after Boone's generous donations) you still have an overwhelming amount that goes over to the ticket holder courtesy Mike Holder's athletic plan. OU built their house because of greatness and traditions. That's why OU fans have a waiting list. In a parallel universe, OSU is OU and OU is OSU. Imagine that, lol.

earlywinegareth
05-25-2011, 12:13 PM
I can't stand to watch another disappointing meltdown. I'll DVR it for later maybe. Probably go watch Big XII baseball instead.

kevinpate
05-25-2011, 12:16 PM
I disagree, you can milk the clock in the NBA. The strategy would be to use most of the 24 seconds as you can. Time was on our side, but not Dallas, there was more pressure on Dallas to score. So by using up most of the clock, puts more pressure on Dallas, and forces them to take bad shots, forces them to use valuable timeouts, and gives them a inadequate chance to win the game. With only 4:48 left, with a 24 second clock used, limits both teams possessions to 4.

Your position assumes, amongst other matters, that Dallas would also take most of the 24 second clock for each possession. Not the best of assumptions. Run your math having Thunder burn 20-23 seconds each time, but still not shooting well, which is where they were at the end. Have Dallas move the ball rapidly, and remember they were fairly hot at the end of regulation time, so each possession gets 2 points or better.

Here's to the next game, may Thunderbolts fall true when and where they should.

Kerry
05-25-2011, 12:58 PM
You can't run the clock out in the NBA but if OKC took a 24 second violation every possesion in the final 4 minutes and just played defense they would have won.

Stan Silliman
05-25-2011, 01:43 PM
I disagree, you can milk the clock in the NBA. The strategy would be to use most of the 24 seconds as you can. Time was on our side, but not Dallas, there was more pressure on Dallas to score. So by using up most of the clock, puts more pressure on Dallas, and forces them to take bad shots, forces them to use valuable timeouts, and gives them a inadequate chance to win the game. With only 4:48 left, with a 24 second clock used, limits both teams possessions to 4.

That's always been a bad choice in the NBA which I've been watching for 50 years. Teams try milking, then their flow is disrupted, which leads to bad shots and they usually lose. 4:48 = 308 seconds. If we take 24 seconds every time and hit two shots on nine possessions we'll add 4 points. Opponent starts hitting threes, making put backs but uses only 10 seconds or less per possession, they'll have ten possessions to our nine. In the NBA, a hot team making six threes and a two on a run in their ten possessions wins.

Kerry
05-25-2011, 05:06 PM
Stan - you are assuming Dallas starts making 3s every 34 seconds. Since they didn't do that in the actual game I am not sure how safe that assumption is. Dallas tied the game with about 10 seconds left. All we had to do is run an additional 10 seconds off the clock and we win.

Thunder
05-25-2011, 10:44 PM
And we just lost.

I really hate that caveman. >_<

Dustin
05-25-2011, 10:52 PM
AMAZING SEASON!! Can't wait til' the next!! We are gonna be stronger and better than ever!

theparkman81
05-25-2011, 10:55 PM
What a great season, Congratulations Thunder for making it to the western conference finals, even though we came up short, it was a great season and great playoffs, can't wait until next season. GO THUNDER!!!!!

okcpulse
05-25-2011, 10:58 PM
GO THUNDER!!! Thank you for a wonderful season and for playing a hard fought game tonight. You played with passion. We will see you next year!

SOONER8693
05-25-2011, 11:02 PM
Got to learn to close. Very frustrating, very dissapointing, and very bright future for this bunch.

maestro6
05-25-2011, 11:20 PM
Congrats Thunder on a great season. Very disappointing now, but they've come such a long way. Much to be proud of, and much to look forward to next year. They're helping put OKC on the map in an excellent way.

Kerry
05-25-2011, 11:22 PM
That was a great run and thanks for not pulling a "Laker" in the final game.

kevinpate
05-26-2011, 07:59 AM
A tip of the hat to the Thunder organization. Had a great year, and in the process did something no one else has ever done, not even the Hornets. Basketball has become a topic of conversation in our house and is watched from time to time. My lovely, who generally pays even less attention to pro sports than I, is even more drawn in. Lord help us as the team improves. Something tells me I better just get used to seeing more of that odd shade of orange in their uniforms.

earlywinegareth
05-26-2011, 08:34 AM
Bottom line...the future is bright. This series showed we still have plenty of room to improve and I think our boyz will accept the challenge. Congrats to the Mavs for sticking with their game and never losing confidence/composure.

Kerry
05-26-2011, 08:42 AM
You know what is scarry EWG, they have a lot of improvement they can make but they actually only need to get a little better to go to the finals.

Stan Silliman
05-26-2011, 08:59 AM
The THUNDER had a great season. Good job, guys. There are lots of areas to improve but the base is there. I expect Perkins to be 50 % better, which will put this team on a different level.

swilki
05-26-2011, 08:59 AM
As disappointing as last night was......I can't get over how great the future looks. What a great team and it's awesome that we get to call them our's. Terrific season!!!!

Pete
05-26-2011, 09:33 AM
If we continue to improve as we have done the previous three seasons, next year could be something very, very special.

Congratulations to the team and especially the organization for making all the right moves. The future is incredibly bright!

earlywinegareth
05-26-2011, 09:53 AM
You know what is scarry EWG, they have a lot of improvement they can make but they actually only need to get a little better to go to the finals.

Yep, that's what I was thinking after they reminded us Durant and Westbrooke are 22 and Hardin only 21! They are still 90% talent and 10% polish. I hesitate to say, but I don't think I'm wrong...we have the makings of a dynasty.

Kerry
05-26-2011, 11:13 AM
I hesitate to say, but I don't think I'm wrong...we have the makings of a dynasty.

I didn't want to be the one to say it but I agree. We were about 1% away from going to finals this year (and probably still should have). I thought it was interesting that they had Maynor and Westbrook on the court at the same time during the 4th quarter. Westbrook seemed to get open with ease on the backdoor cuts. Just wish they kept doing it in final few minutes of the game.

Bill Robertson
05-26-2011, 02:33 PM
I thought it was interesting that they had Maynor and Westbrook on the court at the same time during the 4th quarter. Westbrook seemed to get open with ease on the backdoor cuts. Just wish they kept doing it in final few minutes of the game.I think we'll see a lot more of that next year. I think they quit using it the last few minutes of the 4th because it wasn't working. Westbrook was getting open but had zero points in the 4th.

Lord Helmet
05-26-2011, 05:39 PM
I didn't want to be the one to say it but I agree. We were about 1% away from going to finals this year (and probably still should have). I thought it was interesting that they had Maynor and Westbrook on the court at the same time during the 4th quarter. Westbrook seemed to get open with ease on the backdoor cuts. Just wish they kept doing it in final few minutes of the game.

If we could close out a game we'd likely be in the finals. We gained valuable experience this season in the playoffs. Barring injury...look out next season!