How about an artisan bread, pastry and coffee shop...

One of the guests on Steve's chat inquired about the old pawn shop next to Pizza 23, asking if it was still to become a cycling fitness center. Steve's answer:

"Dallas-based Zyn 22 signed a lease and landlord Andy Burnett reports the cycle studio has paid rent for the past two years. But the building remains empty. Burnett reports he is now in talks with two other prospective tenants to take the place of Zyn 22."
This is utterly baffling to me. Zyn 22 has paid rent on this place for two years, but then, after having never even opened, they decide they're not interested?? Does this happen more than I realize? Because it seems like a collosal waste of money for Zyn. While we're taking about this property, anybody know of who might be going here instead?

I was told Zyn was still paying rent over a year ago when I saw the 'for lease' sign go up. I didn't completely believe it then and now it seems more unlikely.

What I do know is they filed their building permit in June of 2017 and it was pretty much approved the next month but the tenant never followed up. And the property has been actively marketed by the landlord for well over a year.

People in real estate BS and work angles all the time.

23rd between Indiana and Gatewood Ave has been narrowed to two lanes for the past 3-4 weeks for resurfacing. There have been absolutely zero traffic issues during this time. I've noticed this while driving this stretch multiple times a day including 8am and 5pm rush hour.

Is there any type of discussion or desire at the city level to implement a road diet for streets like these? Two way traffic with a center turn lane and new bike lanes would be perfect for this area. Crossing 23rd or Classen is still a daunting task and a hindrance to the success of Uptown.

I’ve been advocating this for years. My compromised suggestion is that try Robinson to sharel first and see how it goes. But no one, most adamantly the uptown board, is willing to let go of the landscaped dividers. To that I say “widen the sidewalks and install planters!” Obviously this money is hard to come by, but they have been planning a tax bid for quite some time.

Btw there are zero traffic issues when the speed is supposed to be 25mph. Western is a good local example...although I don’t agree or like the way it was executed. Chicanes???

Btw there are zero traffic issues when the speed is supposed to be 25mph. Western is a good local example...although I don’t agree or like the way it was executed. Chicanes???

Have the chicanes gotten narrower, or am I just used to them?

I saw that one of the boards covering up the entrance to the storefront of the building directly west of Craig's Emporium was off and that people were going in and out of it. I hope this signifies something positive.

I’ve been advocating this for years. My compromised suggestion is that try Robinson to sharel first and see how it goes. But no one, most adamantly the uptown board, is willing to let go of the landscaped dividers. To that I say “widen the sidewalks and install planters!” Obviously this money is hard to come by, but they have been planning a tax bid for quite some time.

I don't ever see the city taking away lanes through there as it's a major arterial road that also has an underpass under the railroad to help traffic cross the city.

Huge no from me on any proposal removing lanes from 23rd St.

I used to agree with PluPan about lane removal on 23rd but have changed my mind given the change in the businesses. The newer ones are generating a great deal of pedestrian traffic yet the cars still speed along at an unsafe rate. The traffic calming proposals upthread are worth taking a serious look into.

I had a walk sign at the Tower mid block crossing and still almost got hit by a car that barely stopped in time and honestly didn't seem like he wanted to even though I was in the crosswalk.

We ate on a sidewalk bench this afternoon at Honey Bunny Biscuit Company and witnessed cars whizzing by much faster than the speed limit. Even witnessed a car take off through a red light at the pedestrian stop light after there was nobody walking across -- just hit the gas and sped through it. Crazy.

We ate on a sidewalk bench this afternoon at Honey Bunny Biscuit Company and witnessed cars whizzing by much faster than the speed limit. Even witnessed a car take off through a red light at the pedestrian stop light after there was nobody walking across -- just hit the gas and sped through it. Crazy.

Honestly, that pedestrian crosswalk should have a proper pedestrian crossing that allows drivers to proceed when the intersection is clear.

http://marshfield.wickedlocal.com/storyimage/WL/20170318/OPINION/303189995/AR/0/AR-303189995.jpg

Huge no from me on any proposal removing lanes from 23rd St.

Honest question is why? A two way left turn lane road has the same capacity to move cars as a 4 lane road with no turn lane. This design actually reduces overall travel times for drivers because through traffic is not impeded by other drivers making left hand turns. It also reduces crash rates, reduces vehicle speed, and makes it easier for pedestrians to cross.

The businesses in the district would benefit greatly with a more pedestrian friendly environment. It would almost certainly spur new development as well.

Its literally a win/win for every party involved.

Do you just want to keep lanes for the sake of keeping lanes?

Honest question is why? A two way left turn lane road has the same capacity to move cars as a 4 lane road with no turn lane. This design actually reduces overall travel times for drivers because through traffic is not impeded by other drivers making left hand turns. It also reduces crash rates, reduces vehicle speed, and makes it easier for pedestrians to cross.

The businesses in the district would benefit greatly with a more pedestrian friendly environment. It would almost certainly spur new development as well.

Its literally a win/win for every party involved.

Do you just want to keep lanes for the sake of keeping lanes?
Because there are turning lanes and that aspect doesn’t apply. So your comparing a road that has turning lanes to one that doesn’t. In the areas that do not have turning lanes, add them.

You want real pedestrian safety? Grade separate crosswalks. But then that’d be too expensive. I stand by my original point. No reduction in lanes. Reducing capacity will not increase business. It’s most certainly not a win win.

Because there are turning lanes and that aspect doesn’t apply. So your comparing a road that has turning lanes to one that doesn’t. In the areas that do not have turning lanes, add them.

There are no left turn lanes along 23rd Street between Robinson and Western.

PS, I have read articles about capacity comparisons to 4 lane roads VS. 3 lane ones with turning lanes and I’m skeptical of some of criteria used. If you wouldn’t, post the article you are referring to. I’d like to research more about it. I’m sure I’ve read it anyhow.

There are no left turn lanes along 23rd Street between Robinson and Western.


That’s an extremely small stretch of 23rd and that can be fixed with a number of solutions.

Because there are turning lanes and that aspect doesn’t apply

There are turning lanes on 23rd? Are you sure? I mean i was just on it 4 hours ago but i may have missed it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4932737,-97.5360666,3a,31.1y,95.59h,84.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgBdPbRImpDAU3WPdOWgaNg!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4932537,-97.5270082,3a,75y,81.22h,81.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv28CoAzzKC5_0G-pGqVu2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4932537,-97.5270082,3a,75y,81.22h,81.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv28CoAzzKC5_0G-pGqVu2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


You want real pedestrian safety?

Yes


Reducing capacity will not increase business.

Two lanes with a turning lane does not reduce capacity. This is not an opinion, it is a measurable fact.

That’s an extremely small stretch of 23rd and that can be fixed with a number of solutions.

This is also the stretch of 23rd with the most pedestrian traffic and most cars trying to turn left or park on the side of the road. The near misses or accidents mentioned in previous posts occurred in this stretch. I don't think anyone is advocating for the entire stretch of 23rd to go to 2 lanes.

There are turning lanes on 23rd? Are you sure? I mean i was just on it 4 hours ago but i may have missed it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4932737,-97.5360666,3a,31.1y,95.59h,84.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgBdPbRImpDAU3WPdOWgaNg!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4932537,-97.5270082,3a,75y,81.22h,81.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv28CoAzzKC5_0G-pGqVu2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4932537,-97.5270082,3a,75y,81.22h,81.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv28CoAzzKC5_0G-pGqVu2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656



Yes



Two lanes with a turning lane does not reduce capacity. This is not an opinion, it is a measurable fact.
Reread my post.

This is also the stretch of 23rd with the most pedestrian traffic and most cars trying to turn left or park on the side of the road. The near misses or accidents mentioned in previous posts occurred in this stretch. I don't think anyone is advocating for the entire stretch of 23rd to go to 2 lanes.
Again, as I stated in my post, I am against reducing 23rd to two lanes. It doesn’t seem likely to happen anyways, and it doesn’t make sense to create a bottleneck while the majority of the corridor stays at 4 lanes.

I'd also like to chime in and say the stretch of 23rd near Penn also needs significant pedestrian improvement. There are consistently more people who hang out on the street there than there are around the tower theater and there are three lanes of traffic. It's not safe at all. I've seen folks in wheelchairs have to wheel in one of the lanes of traffic.

I'd also like to chime in and say the stretch of 23rd near Penn also needs significant pedestrian improvement.

Couldn't agree more

I find it strange how this dreaded "bottleneck" doesn't occur when 23rd narrows from 3 lanes to 2 at Penn. Also strange how 23rd didn't bottleneck during resurfacing when it basically went from three lanes to one in a couple hundred feet.

Couldn't agree more

I find it strange how this dreaded "bottleneck" doesn't occur when 23rd narrows from 3 lanes to 2 at Penn. Also strange how 23rd didn't bottleneck during resurfacing when it basically went from three lanes to one in a couple hundred feet.

Wive drives from Villa to the Capitol on 23rd back and forth every day and she also noticed how traffic flowed quite smoothly during all the construction.

PS, I have read articles about capacity comparisons to 4 lane roads VS. 3 lane ones with turning lanes and I’m skeptical of some of criteria used. If you wouldn’t, post the article you are referring to. I’d like to research more about it. I’m sure I’ve read it anyhow.

https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/road_diets/guidance/info_guide/

"The ADT provides a good first approximation on whether or not to consider a Road Diet conversion. If the ADT is near the upper limits of the study volumes, practitioners should conduct further analysis to determine its operational feasibility. This would include looking at peak hour volumes by direction and considering other factors such as signal spacing, turning volumes at intersections, and other access points. Each practitioner should use engineering judgment to decide how much analysis is necessary and take examples from this report as a guide.

A 2011 Kentucky study showed Road Diets could work up to an ADT of 23,000 vehicles per day (vpd).35
In 2006, Gates, et al. suggested a maximum ADT of between 15,000 and 17,500 vpd.36

Knapp, Giese, and Lee have documented Road Diets with ADTs ranging from 8,500 to 24,000 vpd. The FHWA advises that roadways with ADT of 20,000 vpd or less may be good candidates for a Road Diet and should be evaluated for feasibility. Figure 12 shows the maximum ADTs used by several agencies to determine whether to install a Road Diet. Road Diet projects have been completed on roadways with relatively high traffic volumes in urban areas or near larger cities with satisfactory results."

I'm all for road diets. 23rd's ADT ranges from 20,000 ADT near Classen to 27,000 near Broadway, so it is within the operational limits of the conversion. Further study suggests that its the peak hour congestion that matters most (1,000 per hour). In the case of 23rd in this area, hourly is over 1,000 for 13 hours per day in some spots. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be studied for 23rd; it most definitely should.

https://nacto.org/docs/usdg/road_diets_fixing_big_roads_burden.pdf

"Kirkland Tests Ceiling with Lake Washington Boulevard. In 1995, Kirkland closed another roadway for reconstruction. They forced totals of 30,000 vehicles (ADT) onto the two + TWLTLroadway.
The roadway never crashed. These extremely high numbers continue to astound researchers. What is the upper limit? This 30,000 ADT may be it. In most cases carrying capacity numbers must be lower. Researchers do not have enough knowledge to say where and how peaks are reached, but many feel comfortable with 20-23,000 ADT's. Each community must set its own upper limits."

https://nacto.org/docs/usdg/safety_and_operation_analysis_lyres.pdf

"More importantly, 4-to-3-lane road diet conversions increase delay when peak hour volumes exceed 1,000."

I'm going to post once more on this subject... To my knowledge, there has not been a single city in the US that has redesigned roads or gave "road diets" to streets en mass. I'm only aware of sporadic projects. OKC is blessed for the moment with virtually no traffic. The worst traffic the city has is on I-35 going south. Even that traffic is nothing and doesn't last for that long. We ought to tread carefully with counting our blessings and major thoroughfares like NW 23rd should remain 4 lanes. It is very possible to have 4 or even 6 lane streets that are more pedestrian friendly than 2 or 3 lane ones. Traffic counts are low on this street and that's good news-- how long will that be the case?

I'm going to post once more on this subject... To my knowledge, there has not been a single city in the US that has redesigned roads or gave "road diets" to streets en mass. I'm only aware of sporadic projects.

No one has done it writ large because it would be financially unattainable. It’s innaropriate to write off the concept for this reason.

Also, on your note that ADT is low, but for “how long.” ADT has been stable or even falling for the last decade, if you look at the ACOG data.

It is very possible to have 4 or even 6 lane streets that are more pedestrian friendly than 2 or 3 lane ones

Can you provide one example of a 6 lane road that is more pedestrian friendly than 2 lane road? is this just hyperbole?

No one has done it writ large because it would be financially unattainable. It’s innaropriate to write off the concept for this reason.Well, I'm not writing off the concept entirely; I just don't think it's ideal on this street. I really don't think road diets are all that expensive. LA is getting serious push back against road diets with potential council members getting recalled for taking away car lanes. Giving road diets across a city would result in gridlock and that is my guess why it hasn't happened yet. I am not a fan of the term "road diet" either, I prefer "right sizing" which can remove or add lanes.


Also, on your note that ADT is low, but for “how long.” ADT has been stable or even falling for the last decade, if you look at the ACOG data.This corridor has also seen much growth whereas the same is said for much of the surrounding area that is going through a renascence. So my question remains, how much longer will we see low traffic in OKC? You want to claim another decade?

Can you provide one example of a 6 lane road that is more pedestrian friendly than 2 lane road? is this just hyperbole?

I'll do you one better: here's an 8+ lane in Buenos Aires vs. a two lane one in Logan County

https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.6066324,-58.3817401,3a,75y,64.41h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHR4cFJUOaqxmyGQjqgYXjg!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHR4cFJUOaqxmy GQjqgYXjg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearc h.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw% 3D64.408295%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8 i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8163776,-97.4784334,3a,75y,359.85h,100.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUHlgMAD4qSL0n6_58_WIRw!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

Can you provide one example of a 6 lane road that is more pedestrian friendly than 2 lane road? is this just hyperbole?
Champs Elesees, Park Ave., Michigan Ave, and many, many more worldwide.

Another example and this one I'm perfectly familiar with:
Santa Monica BLVD. near Century City:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.057941,-118.4237654,3a,75y,216.46h,88.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbNTT8p8vBCPIZ4AtVNzbVQ!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DbNTT8p8vBCPIZ 4AtVNzbVQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearc h.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw% 3D65.08981%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i 8192

Danforth RD. Edmond, OK

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6672384,-97.4317524,3a,75y,271.69h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4G--gq6j-ZhQK260DHeXmw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fp anoid%3D4G--gq6j-ZhQK260DHeXmw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Ds earch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26 yaw%3D271.69278%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i133 12!8i6656

Are you really going to try and tell me you think this stretch of Danforth(45 MPH Speed limit where traffic moves at 55-60, no sidewalks, no shoulders) RD>. is more walkable than Santa Monica BLVD, a road with bike lanes, extra wide sidewalks, turn lanes, and a speed limit of 35(though I will admit traffic moves sometimes at 40-70)? Give me a break! No offense, even though I almost sure your post was just bait to get me to respond as I said I wouldn't, but if you really believe that the number of lanes are the sole reason(not trying to create a strawman here but your questions seems to imply this)as to a corridors walkability, you need to travel more.

My entire premise behind my post is this corridor can be made more walkable without removing car lanes. Remove the median, add more HAWK crossings, widen the sidewalks and add bike lanes where possible, add raised intersection at Walker, change the phasing on the light to allow for left turn lights at intersections. Not every corridor has to have the highest rating of walkability and those corridors can still thrive. Want examples of unwalkable corridors that are thriving, look no further than Frisco's 5 billion dollar mile. I want to see NW 23rd be more walkable, but there has to be compromises on both sides. Removing lanes on every street or have corridors through the city that have bottlenecks just isn't a wise decision, IMO.

It is a win/win hands down. The two lane system around the heavy retail area between western and Robinson is hindered by the wo lane no turn lane system. As people stop to turn lef at cute in the median, it blocks traffic for anyone without time and space to manouver around. Traffic counts are well over 25,000/day at this time so the left turners ge stuck and virtually turn 1 lane anyway win idiots careening through lanes with little to no concern for peds. A turn lane with widened sidewalks would solve a lot of issues. And there is lots of arterial street parking n and s oh 23rd so don’t play that...uptown has already placed bike racks and repair stations all down the corridor so here’s already some incentive for bikes to use it if it has lanes...take one look at the south side sidewalk next time you’re in that area, you will laugh your ass off. It’s maybe 30” wide in places with light posts jutting out.

You take a look at this and keep shouting we don’t need a multimodal transit compromise. We’ve got crosstown, Oklahoma boulevard, 36th, 13th, 10th, and Reno to cross he interstate. If 23rd wasn’t such a juicy artery people would spread out o if their geographical needs vs distance - rate of travel = drive like no F’s given.

Bias? Hell yes I am. I drive, walk, ride & cycle this road every day. It’s also my topic of bias against he streetcar not servicing any residents. People make the argument for deepduece and the handful of people who live in the cbd. But if you can walk anywhere from the loop in less time than it takes to wait for the next car. That’s just lazy and sad.

Finally to he person who dogs the lit crosswalk. 1: how is that working out for the normal crosswalk on Dewey & 23rd I’m front of big truck, the one with the faux brick and white lines? People stop on a dime for that do they.? How’s that same system working in auto alley & how many times have they replaced the yellow signs that get mowed down?2: have you seen hundreds of happy and clueless kids cross to tower to see a concert on a dark night as the happy hour crowd drives home with a few drinks in them? The walker crossing is there, I get it. But people don’t use it and it’s not handicap accessible.15144

'll do you one better: here's an 8+ lane in Buenos Aires vs. a two lane one in Logan County

https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.606...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8163...7i13312!8i6656

You went to a rural road in Logan Co. to prove your point about walkability? This is disingenuous at best, but you already knew that.

I'll do you one better: here's an 8+ lane in Buenos Aires vs. a two lane one in Logan County

https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.6066324,-58.3817401,3a,75y,64.41h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHR4cFJUOaqxmyGQjqgYXjg!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHR4cFJUOaqxmy GQjqgYXjg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearc h.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw% 3D64.408295%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8 i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8163776,-97.4784334,3a,75y,359.85h,100.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUHlgMAD4qSL0n6_58_WIRw!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656

Comparing rural two lane roads against urban roads is apple and oranges. I appreciate you finding examples, but they need to be in similar contexts. I'd love to see what you can find as these examples can instigate good discussions about what makes a road pedestrian friendly. For example, your Santa Monica example (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.057941,-118.4237654,3a,75y,154.03h,64.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbNTT8p8vBCPIZ4AtVNzbVQ!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DbNTT8p8vBCPIZ 4AtVNzbVQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearc h.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw% 3D65.08981%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i 8192) is fine for walking along the sidewalk for a stretch, but it is about as bad as it gets for pedestrians as it approaches the intersection near the gas station. If this is intended to be a good example then you might have proved everyone else's point. Your own example is an awful and dangerous nightmare for pedestrians.

Neither of those two big road examples look particularly pedestrian friendly at all to me if the question is actually crossing the road. The Buenos Aires example isn't too bad if you skip along the street view to an intersection, but in the Santa Monica example there's literally a car just sitting in the middle of the crosswalk down at Beverly Glen.

The question asked was what two lane roads are less walkable than 6 lane ones and I gave answers to that. I also gave examples of urban scenarios and that still apparently wasn’t good enough. I rest my point. We are running in circles now. I do not support a reduction of any lanes on NW 23rd St.

Comparing rural two lane roads against urban roads is apple and oranges. I appreciate you finding examples, but they need to be in similar contexts. I'd love to see what you can find as these examples can instigate good discussions about what makes a road pedestrian friendly. For example, your Santa Monica example (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.057941,-118.4237654,3a,75y,154.03h,64.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbNTT8p8vBCPIZ4AtVNzbVQ!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DbNTT8p8vBCPIZ 4AtVNzbVQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearc h.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw% 3D65.08981%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i 8192) is fine for walking along the sidewalk for a stretch, but it is about as bad as it gets for pedestrians as it approaches the intersection near the gas station. If this is intended to be a good example then you might have proved everyone else's point. Your own example is an awful and dangerous nightmare for pedestrians.

Never once did I claim that Santa Monica is this area is a highly rated walkable street.

Never once did I claim that Santa Monica is this area is a highly rated walkable street.

So, your point is that rural roads are similarly unwalkable to urban roads with too many lanes? I agree with you then. 23rd Street should learn from the errors made in rural areas and Santa Monica and go on a road diet.

So, your point is that rural roads are similarly unwalkable to urban roads with too many lanes? I agree with you then. 23rd Street should learn from the errors made in rural areas and Santa Monica and go on a road diet.
You completely missed my point then and I'm too tired right now to rephrase it.

There is a large sign with a bank logo that reads "project funded by" in the empty lot directly north of Pump Bar on Walker. Perhaps I've missed it, but what exactly is the project?

There is a large sign with a bank logo that reads "project funded by" in the empty lot directly north of Pump Bar on Walker. Perhaps I've missed it, but what exactly is the project?

Marva Ellard owns most, of not all of that square block. I believe the project is housing, maybe Pete can shine some light on it.

Nothing is happening on the vacant lots that Marva owns. The funding sign is for the housing just west on 24th.

Nothing is happening on the vacant lots that Marva owns. The funding sign is for the housing just west on 24th.

The sign was put on someone else's property?

^

Marva owns all that property. The boarded-up 4-plex is about to get a renovation which is probably the reason for the sign.

Work has started on the 4- soon-to-be 6-plex just north of The Pump:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/marva6plex031919.jpg

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Don’t know if this has been talked about or not but steel is going up for Cajun Corner on 23rd between Hudson and Harvey. Any more info on this Pete?

Ha! I took this on Sunday.

They are moving fast and hope to be open late this year.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/cajuncorner051919a.jpg

It looks like a new mixed use retail/housing proposal is going in front of the urban design commission on on 6/26. 1732 NW 23rd. Across from OCU at the intersection of 23rd and Florida.15345

^

The reason I didn't post that is because the same lady had proposed at least 3 iterations of something similar starting 3-4 years ago. I've talked to her a couple of times.

Hope this finally moves forward. It's an empty lot.

The Sonic building on 23rd and Penn has finally been razed.

Sonic:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/sonic062219a.jpg

Just noticed that a Wing Stop is nearing completion next to Billy Sims on 23rd just west of Penn. I live nearby and this is great news and also scary news for my health.

Sonic:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/sonic062219a.jpg

Is there a plan for this site? Sorry if there’s been recent discussion around this.

Is there a plan for this site? Sorry if there’s been recent discussion around this.

Yes, will be a redesigned Sonic:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/sonic121918a.jpg

Work has started on the 4- soon-to-be 6-plex just north of The Pump:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/marva6plex031919.jpg

Slightly off-topic but I always wondered: were all these big, old houses originally built as single-family homes? (Including the ones south of 23rd too.)

Multi-family dwellings were frequently built right alongside single-family homes in (what are now) the older neighborhoods. There are quite a few of them in Mesta Park and Heritage Hills (addressing your question about south of 23rd). Some duplexes have been converted to single homes over the years, but I'm not aware of any large single homes becoming multi-family units (although there may be some out there I just don't know about).

Multi-family dwellings were frequently built right alongside single-family homes in (what are now) the older neighborhoods. There are quite a few of them in Mesta Park and Heritage Hills (addressing your question about south of 23rd). Some duplexes have been converted to single homes over the years, but I'm not aware of any large single homes becoming multi-family units (although there may be some out there I just don't know about).

This direction would be more difficult due to Zoning Laws

Multi-family dwellings were frequently built right alongside single-family homes in (what are now) the older neighborhoods. There are quite a few of them in Mesta Park and Heritage Hills (addressing your question about south of 23rd). Some duplexes have been converted to single homes over the years, but I'm not aware of any large single homes becoming multi-family units (although there may be some out there I just don't know about).

Many large homes in Mesta were converted to multi-family in the 40's-70's, and have subsequently gone back the other direction. Occasionally you see some weird-ass floor plans resulting from this legacy.

4-plex north of the Pump

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