Did you contact an installer? What type of system are you looking at?
I understand on the variance in the prices at the pump and agree with you. The way I feel about the home fuel station is whether or not I want the convenience at home. One problem I have with the Phill system is having to send it back to Italy for repair. There are some other choices I am considering.

I've talked to several installers. It is quite interesting. Reminds me a little of the early days of the Internet. I'm beginning to understand the differences in the various systems right now. I've looked at Impco and Prins and several others.

Maynard - thanks for the info!

In my opinion, this is a perfect example of where state or federal incentives should be used - new/emerging technology. I know that there was a tax break, but those have expired (I think) for CNG. Why not offer incentives to get this off the ground in a big way by assisting in paying to get this technology more widely used where it will become cheaper. It's a shame that the only automobile manufacturer that offers a stock CNG vehicle is Honda.

Maynard - thanks for the info!

In my opinion, this is a perfect example of where state or federal incentives should be used - new/emerging technology. I know that there was a tax break, but those have expired (I think) for CNG. Why not offer incentives to get this off the ground in a big way by assisting in paying to get this technology more widely used where it will become cheaper. It's a shame that the only automobile manufacturer that offers a stock CNG vehicle is Honda.

chevy/gmc is offereing cng trucks now(or soon) as well

I saw that, but I think (not sure) that they are aftermarket conversions being offered through their dealerships.

Dodge Ram 2500 will be on the market sometime this year. They will be built in the Mexico plant and will be factory cng.
Toyota used to have a cng camry but stopped production sometime in the early 2000s. They could be bringing them back and I think they would be a huge hit since they are bigger and nicer (IMO) than the civic.

I would love to convert a vehicle, but until there are several more local CNG fast-fill stations, I won't be converting. There is only one is Edmond, OnCue on 9th, and if it goes down, people without an in-home refueler are screwed.

Converted my 2003 Lexus GX 470. Cost was about $7500. Ended up with 2 tanks mounted under the rear where the spare was. The spare had never been off in 100K miles. My tank capacity is 8.5 GGE but the most I've managed to put in is 6.35 GGE. My range is about 90 miles. So for my normal driving I fill at a public station every 4th day on average.

Connecting the hose challenged me a bit but now is becoming normal.

Favorite station is the City of Norman station at Flood and Rock Creek. Price is $1.509 GGE and pressure is always the best I've encountered.

The 7-11 at SE 19th and Eastern in Moore also has CNG and is supposed to be working but I couldn't get the pump to start this morning.

I do not get good pressure at the ONG station on SE 59th east of I-35.

Can't really say there is any noticeable difference on CNG as opposed to gasoline either in performance or mileage.

Just an update if anyone is interested.

Converted my 2003 Lexus GX 470. Cost was about $7500. Ended up with 2 tanks mounted under the rear where the spare was. The spare had never been off in 100K miles. My tank capacity is 8.5 GGE but the most I've managed to put in is 6.35 GGE. My range is about 90 miles. So for my normal driving I fill at a public station every 4th day on average.

Connecting the hose challenged me a bit but now is becoming normal.

Favorite station is the City of Norman station at Flood and Rock Creek. Price is $1.509 GGE and pressure is always the best I've encountered.

The 7-11 at SE 19th and Eastern in Moore also has CNG and is supposed to be working but I couldn't get the pump to start this morning.

I do not get good pressure at the ONG station on SE 59th east of I-35.

Can't really say there is any noticeable difference on CNG as opposed to gasoline either in performance or mileage.

Just an update if anyone is interested.

Good info flintysooner
Please update us occasionally with your thoughts.

The 7-11 at SE 19th and Eastern is working flawlessly now and I am getting my best fills there. The CNG is $1.299. City of Moore fills their trash truck(s?) there as well.

I am getting between 75% and 80% fills.

I've noticed my mpg is down with the hot weather. Could be more idling.

At any rate that's a really good CNG station at a very good price. I actually like it better than the City of Norman station.

Came across this video posted at Chesapeake's facebook page:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0_X1Xy8fDk

About LA's transition to CNG in all their transit buses. Which, of course, is the kind of thing companies like Chesapeake really love.

Some brief views of LA's downtown and a traffic clogged highway to boot!

A related graphic (also from Chesapeake's fb page):

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/945311_10152262566562565_1599885739_n.png

I wonder why the new transit buses for OKC don't run on CNG. Just too expensive to convert?

7-11 in Moore is .899 now btw

Don't know about buses for certain but tank size and range is a very real problem when thinking about conversion.

A related graphic (also from Chesapeake's fb page):

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/945311_10152262566562565_1599885739_n.png

I wonder why the new transit buses for OKC don't run on CNG. Just too expensive to convert?

Somewhere around two ago they started a program that is evaluating what the new buses we get will be. They have a CNG, an electric hybrid and the latest diesel; all running on the same route (23rd street) to get comparative stats and evaluate strengths and weaknesses of each.

In the long run this is why I don't worry too much about high transportation fuel prices, shortages or its environmental impact. As the video explains this is a much better alternative than CNG for most (cars) vehicles. Cheaper fuel with few price spikes means a higher level of prosperity for our society.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnRF05_MOe0


Transportation Fuel - Methanol Institute (http://www.methanol.org/Energy/Transportation-Fuel.aspx)

No doubt there will be many of the same issues that normal gasoline currently face that CNG will face in the future when/if it becomes a bigger part of the fuel supply. No way companies will fail to capitalize on CNG as a source of big profits. The companies already have an idea of what consumers will pay for fuel for their vehicle. CNG price will rise to match that. State and local governments will begin to tax it just like regular gasoline. No way they let that revenue stream slip from their grasp.

No doubt there will be many of the same issues that normal gasoline currently face that CNG will face in the future when/if it becomes a bigger part of the fuel supply. No way companies will fail to capitalize on CNG as a source of big profits. The companies already have an idea of what consumers will pay for fuel for their vehicle. CNG price will rise to match that. State and local governments will begin to tax it just like regular gasoline. No way they let that revenue stream slip from their grasp.

Exactly. What smart business is going to give consumers a break if they charge more. Cheaper fuel for the companies to produce, when it becomes mainstream the average consumer cost is going to end up matching gasoline. It may not be the same per gallon, but they'll figure out the average MPGs when it is widely adopted and manipulate prices so they are pulling the same price as gas. 300 miles per tank of gasoline and you pay $45 for it now? We'll end up paying the same down the road for CNG.

It is cleaner so that is a start, but no company in their right mind is going to leave money on the table. They'll keep CNG prices low until more cars get out there and then the creep up will begin.

When I started using CNG some 11 months ago or so it was unusual to even see someone else at the same pump much less have to wait for someone to finish at the pump. Now I almost always see someone at the same pump and probably 1/2 the time have to wait to fill.

Retailers plan 13 new CNG stations in region
By Adam Wilmoth Published: January 8, 2014

Love's Travel Stops and Country Stores and OnCue Express on Tuesday announced plans for a combined 13 new compressed natural gas stations in Oklahoma and Texas.

Compressed natural gas vehicle owners and operators soon will have more options throughout the region.

Two Oklahoma retailers on Tuesday announced plans for a combined 13 new CNG stations in Oklahoma and Texas.

Love's Travel Stops and Country Stores is adding one CNG pump in eastern Oklahoma City and nine in Texas, said Bill Cashmareck, general manager of natural gas.

The stations will provide fast-fill pumps for large trucks, filling at 10 gallons per minute. The locations also will include pumps for cars and light-duty trucks.

“CNG will be integrated in our lane experiences,” he said. “We want trucks to get in and out as efficiently as possible. If our fill rates were not up to par, that truck would be stuck in the lane too long. Not only would the driver be upset, we would be upset because that truck would be in the lane too long, delaying other drivers.”

The Oklahoma City-based retailer said it will include CNG at the station it is rebuilding at Interstate 40 and Choctaw Road. The station will replace the Love's store destroyed by a tornado in 2010''

Read more here: Retailers plan 13 new CNG stations in region | News OK (http://newsok.com/retailers-plan-13-new-cng-stations-in-region/article/3921701)

@Cameron is totally right. Honda actually is the only manufacturer currently producing dedicated NGV's to be sold in the US. However, there's a growing number of options for fleets and it certainly seems like more consumer NGVs are on their way.

This year, Honda is making their CNG Honda Civic GX available in all 50 states. You can get more information on their official site. 2012 Honda Civic Natural Gas Overview - Official Site (http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-gx/)

Chevrolet, Ford and Dodge are now offering factory equipped CNG vehicles as well. I know RAM trucks have been available in CNG for at least a year now. I wouldn't mind getting a conversion on my truck but they take up a lot of room and they're not cheap. I can see a lot of folks opting for the home refueling set up as well.

Chevrolet, Ford and Dodge are now offering factory equipped CNG vehicles as well. I know RAM trucks have been available in CNG for at least a year now. I wouldn't mind getting a conversion on my truck but they take up a lot of room and they're not cheap. I can see a lot of folks opting for the home refueling set up as well.

I noticed that they just raised the price of cng from $1.19 to $1.79 a gal at Oncue and similar price hikes at other cng stations. Pretty soon they will have cng so close to gas prices that no one will be converting because the price to convert will take years to pay back. As usual,the Gov. always finds a way. These price hikes/taxes will surely slow the conversions down.

I noticed that on Wednesday when I fueled up at Oncue at Memorial & Western. It wasn't too long ago that it was just over $1 retail and about .79 home fuel.

There was a federal tax for NG fuel that wasn't renewed so it expired causing prices to go up

There was a federal tax for NG fuel that wasn't renewed so it expired causing prices to go up

Yep. Fifty cents' worth. This doesn't entirely explain why the OnCue nearest me went up sixty cents, but it's enough.

I noticed that they just raised the price of cng from $1.19 to $1.79 a gal at Oncue and similar price hikes at other cng stations. Pretty soon they will have cng so close to gas prices that no one will be converting because the price to convert will take years to pay back. As usual,the Gov. always finds a way. These price hikes/taxes will surely slow the conversions down.

No it won't here unless the government decides to tax it heavier. It would take a very substantial natural gas price increase to increase cng over $3.00. It's still below a $1 per gge at home.

Oklahoma House Approves CNG Regulation Legislation - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/25554981/oklahoma-house-approves-cng-regulation-legislation)

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-house-approves-cng-regulation-legislation/article/4834378