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PhiAlpha
12-17-2014, 03:49 PM
Attached parking garages and skywalks.

True but there is also nothing to walk to in the HSC, nothing at ground level to attract people there, no hotels and no residential within the district itself. Parking garages with retail on the first level and residential towers going up directly to the south, while not ideal, partially solve this issue.

PhiAlpha
12-17-2014, 03:51 PM
They are being relocated for just 4 blocks away. How much street-life are these people currently generating at the corner of Robinson and Kerr? Answer - none, despite the lovely corporate plaza across the street.
True, however dowell being converted to residential and FNC a hotel+condos would go a LOOONNNNGG way in that regard.

Bellaboo
12-17-2014, 03:51 PM
Ok, I never said Devon was a mid rise. Actually quite the opposite, it is a beautiful skyscraper. It is all these mid rises around it that really need to be taller to keep the Devon from sticking out like a lonely, awkward sore thumb. It is a beautiful but looks so out of place and really needs more towers that are at least 2/3 or 3/4 of the size of it. Also, whoever said "newsflash" OKC is a mid size city, I disagree. OKC is considered a large city. It doesn't fit in the very large cities, but definitely not a mid size city. Also, I did not mean 27 foot building, that was a typo. I meant to say 27 story building.

I just can't see them destroying 3 buildings with over 50 stories for this mediocre project. This blocks almost commands something better if they plan to level it. If you disagree that is your right but to me it is just wrong. I have nothing against a 27 story building by the way, but a bunch of 20 story high rises that we are getting still makes the skyline (Devon) just look awkward. Be honest, how many times have you had someone ask you why OKC only has one real skycaper? How many of you don't look at the Devon and just wish it had something to compliment it to make it not look so odd? It's beautiful but almost just weird having nothing even remotely tall enough to contrast it.

Where are you getting this count from ? Are you looking at the right block ? The Black (One North Hudson) has about 10 floors as does the auto hotel (old parking garage). The rest are single story buildings. 50 stories ?

pickles
12-17-2014, 03:51 PM
Be honest, how many times have you had someone ask you why OKC only has one real skycaper?

Zero.

Bullbear
12-17-2014, 03:56 PM
My concern is not height or balance of skyline I believe that will come. Mine is the same as many others on here. I think many people were not enthusiastic but willing to take a hit on losing some historic structures IF it was for higher better use of the space. What is being proposed doesn't warrant that type of destruction. it could easily fit on that block without losing some of the historic structures. It just seems like a poor use of space and the design is just not enough to warrant those buildings being lost.

OkieNate
12-17-2014, 03:59 PM
Zero.

I'll second this zero, and I'll add that I send skyline photos to out of state friends quite often (thanks snapchat!).

NWOKCGuy
12-17-2014, 04:01 PM
The thing that is irritating is downplaying the size of these because you want them to be closer in size to the Devon building. OKC is lucky to have Devon. Look at any other city outside of the top 10 population or so in the country and their tallest buildings are all in line with the rest of the OKC skyline. There are only a handful of buildings under construction over 700 feet in the US right now and most of those are in NYC with a few in Chicago, Philly and the California cities (LA, SF).

I'll take 5 400 footers and the impact they'll have on our skyline and be happy that they're coming.

PhiAlpha
12-17-2014, 04:02 PM
I'll second this zero, and I'll add that I send skyline photos to out of state friends quite often (thanks snapchat!).

Can we go less than zero if you've had someone tell you that they thought Devon looks cool towering above the rest of the skyline?

OkieNate
12-17-2014, 04:07 PM
Can we go less than zero if you've had someone tell you that they thought Devon looks cool towering above the rest of the skyline?

:cool: Hasnt happened but neither has "what/why is that ridiculous three quarters of a billion dollar building doing there surrounded by all those low rises" hahaha :Smiley122

Plutonic Panda
12-17-2014, 04:28 PM
I've actually had people amazed that we have such a tall building. I have had several comments by people who saw the Devon Tower from the airport and referred to it as a super skyscraper, but I still disagree. I think it is a regular skyscraper other than the fact is very girthy.

PhiAlpha
12-17-2014, 04:28 PM
:cool: Hasnt happened but neither has "what/why is that ridiculous three quarters of a billion dollar building doing there surrounded by all those low rises" hahaha :Smiley122

3/4 of a million dollar building? Heck that wouldn't even be a midrise in Dubai! What a waste of steel!

jccouger
12-17-2014, 04:39 PM
Devon is just that kinda hot girl that hangs out with a bunch of DUFFs to make herself look like a super model.

*ducks & hides from the punches thrown from feminists*

Just the facts
12-17-2014, 04:42 PM
Remember 4 years ago when I said I didn't like Devon Tower because it was out of scale, set to far back from the street, and the attached parking garages wouldn't enhance street-life and everyone called me crazy - and I said give it a few years and you'll change your mind?

Plutonic Panda
12-17-2014, 04:44 PM
Remember 4 years ago when I said I didn't like Devon Tower because it was out of scale, set to far back from the street, and the attached parking garages wouldn't enhance street-life and everyone called me crazy - and I said give it a few years and you'll change your mind?Remember when the Empire State building was out of scale? It has to start somewhere. The street life has been greatly enhanced around the Devon Tower also.

jccouger
12-17-2014, 04:54 PM
Remember 4 years ago when I said I didn't like Devon Tower because it was out of scale, set to far back from the street, and the attached parking garages wouldn't enhance street-life and everyone called me crazy - and I said give it a few years and you'll change your mind?

I can only speak for myself, but I think all Devon comments were made in jest towards Dr. Sooner who wants to prescribe all of our buildings Viagra.

I think we are all happy with Devon, realize it is out of scale & that these kind of buildings don't come along very often so it will stay out of scale. He thinks every building that comes to OKC should be its size. Now I do side with him in that a building of this scale is not worthy of tearing down 2 important structures. That could be fixed by changing the layout of the site plan, and if that was the case I wouldn't be upset with whatever height this building was.

OkieNate
12-17-2014, 04:57 PM
3/4 of a million dollar building? Heck that wouldn't even be a midrise in Dubai! What a waste of steel!

BBBBBillion*** even bigger waste huh?! :tongue:

bchris02
12-17-2014, 04:59 PM
I understand soondoc's position. It would really be nice to have another tower or two to compliment the Devon tower. They wouldn't even have to be as tall as the Devon tower, just taller than the Chase tower. What soondoc doesn't grasp is the economics of how these things work. No matter how much people, including myself, would like to see a 45 story tower to balance out the skyline, it isn't going to be built for its own sake. A tower as tall as the Devon tower is unusual in a small city like OKC. This city got real lucky when they built it and for that reason it's likely to stick out for the foreseeable future. This Preftakes tower as well as the Clayco towers are more on par with towers being built in other cities with populations around the 1 million mark.

borchard
12-17-2014, 05:14 PM
I, for one, am looking forward to this block going up. I'm also looking forward to the OGE building going up, and the park being built, and the light rail being built. I am so excited that things are actually getting built!

Spartan
12-17-2014, 05:32 PM
I literally don't understand the obsession over the pinnacle of these buildings, rather than the street level which is all that the likes of us will ever get to see anyway.

JRod1980
12-17-2014, 05:55 PM
The more I look at the picture of this block, the more sad I get thinking that the Motor Hotel and One North Hudson will likely get demolished. Both buildings would make for cool residential housing, One North Hudson probably more so.

I just wish they would consider placing this building in lots 12, 13, 14 and part of 11, then work with the city to building the parking garage in Lots 9 and 16 so it's a little more hidden behind the building. Then stick with the original plans for the parking garage in Lots 5-8.

I hate losing any of these buildings, but it would be sacrificing a few for the greater good. It will be extremely sad to lose the bus station, I had high hopes it would be turned into an awesome diner.

PhiAlpha
12-17-2014, 05:59 PM
Remember 4 years ago when I said I didn't like Devon Tower because it was out of scale, set to far back from the street, and the attached parking garages wouldn't enhance street-life and everyone called me crazy - and I said give it a few years and you'll change your mind?

I think soondoc's might be the only mind you changed.

Plutonic Panda
12-17-2014, 06:43 PM
The more I look at the picture of this block, the more sad I get thinking that the Motor Hotel and One North Hudson will likely get demolished. Both buildings would make for cool residential housing, One North Hudson probably more so.

I just wish they would consider placing this building in lots 12, 13, 14 and part of 11, then work with the city to building the parking garage in Lots 9 and 16 so it's a little more hidden behind the building. Then stick with the original plans for the parking garage in Lots 5-8.

I hate losing any of these buildings, but it would be sacrificing a few for the greater good. It will be extremely sad to lose the bus station, I had high hopes it would be turned into an awesome diner.

Yeah. It is a damn shame. I'm just thinking here, but what can I do? I want to write to someone, but I'm not sure who to write to. The developer? Devon? Larry Nichols(although I doubt he'd ever see it), city Council?

BoulderSooner
12-17-2014, 07:28 PM
Remember 4 years ago when I said I didn't like Devon Tower because it was out of scale, set to far back from the street, and the attached parking garages wouldn't enhance street-life and everyone called me crazy - and I said give it a few years and you'll change your mind?

Saying this makes it clear that you don't live here. Devon has 100% positively effected street life

Stickman
12-17-2014, 07:31 PM
Yeah. It is a damn shame. I'm just thinking here, but what can I do? I want to write to someone, but I'm not sure who to write to. The developer? Devon? Larry Nichols(although I doubt he'd ever see it), city Council?

Doubt there is anything you could do to save any of it. Its all planned to go, I'm a little partial to the Hotel Black. It's not pretty but does represent a different building period. I mean its no Colcord, Huckins, Hightower or Skirvin but would be nice if it could be saved. Of course incentives would be needed.

KayneMo
12-17-2014, 07:45 PM
http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/9778d1418686287-preftakes-block-preftakes-block.jpg


I would email anyway and express your thoughts and concerns. :wink:

Welp, I emailed her last night with an image similar to this attached. Let's see if I hear anything back.

Pete
12-17-2014, 07:50 PM
Created a new thread for the latest images, plans, renderings:

499 Sheridan - OKCTalk (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=499%20Sheridan)

ljbab728
12-17-2014, 11:54 PM
While I was waiting in the Rotunda I noticed the two buildings from the window on a perfect (but cold) day and decided to stroll outside for a while and get some shots I posted above. In the few minutes I was in front of the buildings, two random landscape workers passed by talked about how they were going to be demolished and what a pity it was. [/IMG]

What is a "random" landscape worker? :)

jccouger
12-18-2014, 08:01 AM
moved post

BDP
12-18-2014, 09:06 AM
Remember 4 years ago when I said I didn't like Devon Tower because it was out of scale, set to far back from the street, and the attached parking garages wouldn't enhance street-life and everyone called me crazy - and I said give it a few years and you'll change your mind?

I'm not concerned with the scale as much as others. Even cities with lots of skyscrapers have buildings that tower over their neighbors. But it does seem that your street level concerns were valid. What's interesting is that if Devon did have a significant impact on the district in terms of street life, this block would have been made more viable for preservation and re-purposing, not less. Granted, the demise of this block was pretty much engineered by Preftakes and Devon, but the best thing that could have happened to the assets in the district would have been a large scale office building that integrated with the neighborhood. It doesn't seem like that has happened. At least not to the west.

Just the facts
12-18-2014, 09:12 AM
Most retail in OKC closes at 6 on Sundays, even the malls. Regardless the point will be moot in a few years when Clayco's residential towers are full. Even without fronting the gardens, the foot traffic will greatly increase. Few people live near the gardens now.

I suspect these people will go to Film Row though and not in the direction of MBG.

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Rover
12-18-2014, 10:28 AM
JTF, do you see MG as a destination or as a pass-through place? I'm not disagreeing that the residential should front the park, but I don't see how people going a block or two west to film row means they won't also increase activity in MG. Also, is there an argument to be made that the residential adjacent to the school is better than the office buildings? What do you think?

Jeepnokc
12-23-2014, 10:57 PM
Saw a transient leave his shopping cart outside, push aside the plywood blocking the front entry at Pizza Town, slip inside and replace the plywood from the inside the other day, just two doors down from 420 W. Main. Perhaps Pizza Town will burn down soon and save everyone the effort of figuring out what to do with it.

I don't know who remembers Al. Al is the same gentleman that would sit in front of the Lunch Box on his chair all day long. Several people commented on him. Anyway, you may have noticed that Al is not hanging out anymore. Over the last year, Al was initially able to get a van and now also has an apartment. He is doing great. One of the lawyers (Holly Hefton) in my office basically adopted him and helped him get what he needed to get off the streets. Al still stops by for coffee several times a week and is healthy and well. Kudos to Holly for not "walking by" like so many of us tend to do.

ljbab728
12-24-2014, 12:28 AM
This video was a great find by Steve in his blog.

Best Speech I've Ever Heard Explaining Preservation of Historic Architecture | News OK (http://newsok.com/best-speech-ive-ever-heard-explaining-preservation-of-historic-architecture/article/3917309)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNZ_PwfnUks&feature=player_embedded

Pete
12-24-2014, 09:33 AM
I don't know who remembers Al. Al is the same gentleman that would sit in front of the Lunch Box on his chair all day long. Several people commented on him. Anyway, you may have noticed that Al is not hanging out anymore. Over the last year, Al was initially able to get a van and now also has an apartment. He is doing great. One of the lawyers (Holly Hefton) in my office basically adopted him and helped him get what he needed to get off the streets. Al still stops by for coffee several times a week and is healthy and well. Kudos to Holly for not "walking by" like so many of us tend to do.

Wow, that's fantastic.

Really nice to hear.

UnFrSaKn
12-24-2014, 09:36 AM
Same Al that would stay inside Coney Island at night? Either way, it's good to hear.

UnFrSaKn
12-24-2014, 09:41 AM
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2855/13232225105_bbac6d0278_b.jpg

TheTravellers
12-24-2014, 11:04 AM
This video was a great find by Steve in his blog.

Best Speech I've Ever Heard Explaining Preservation of Historic Architecture | News OK (http://newsok.com/best-speech-ive-ever-heard-explaining-preservation-of-historic-architecture/article/3917309)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNZ_PwfnUks&feature=player_embedded

Can we force a bunch of developers and city folks to watch this Clockwork Orange-style until they get it? I'd watch it repeatedly, I like Bailey... :p

Jeepnokc
12-24-2014, 12:19 PM
Same Al that would stay inside Coney Island at night? Either way, it's good to hear.

Same guy. Al is around 70 and is actually very intelligent. Looks completely different now that he gets a shower everyday and clean clothes.

hoya
12-24-2014, 02:19 PM
That's great to hear about Al. And it's great to hear that Holly helped him out like that. I don't think I ever did more than wave 'hi' to him as I walked past.

Just the facts
12-24-2014, 03:53 PM
JTF, do you see MG as a destination or as a pass-through place? I'm not disagreeing that the residential should front the park, but I don't see how people going a block or two west to film row means they won't also increase activity in MG. Also, is there an argument to be made that the residential adjacent to the school is better than the office buildings? What do you think?

If development keeps happening the way it currently is MBG won't be a pass-thru or destination place. It will just be a place office workers traipse around in on their lunch hour and then taken over by the homeless after 6PM. All one has to do is look at Love Park in Philadelphia to see what happens when you surround park space with office buildings. Even people who live in the one residential building right across the street from it walk the 7 blocks to Rittenhouse Sq. for their shopping, dining, and entertainment.

As for the location of the school - it appears now that it is woefully out of place. I seriously doubt anyone moving to one of the Clayco buildings will even have elementary school aged children. If it was intended to be a school for people living in the downtown area it should have been built either in Midtown or somewhere southeast of its current location so that it would eventually be surrounded by low-rise residential on all sides and reachable by most children on foot. Where it is now gives the impression that it was primarily built for the children of office workers. On that subject, I wonder how many members of the OKCPS Board walked to school as a child. I'll bet none of them did.

Of course, all of these problems stem from the same error; OKC didn't create a development plan based on pedestrian sheds (the fundamental building block of walkable urbanism and traditional neighborhood development). They just started plopping stuff down all willy-nilly with no though of how they all would work together to create a walkable core. For crying out loud, we are building a new central park one block away from another park that was just rebuilt a few years ago. It is little surprise we are ending up with the kind of non-sense. Sadly, the only people who appear to have done any actual planning is ODOT and their desire to build an expressway into downtown so cars can get to all the new parking garages. ODOT operated in a leaderless vacuum (or at least an opposition vacuum) and got their way. I would like to say that the ball was dropped but I doubt the ball was ever even picked up.

traxx
12-24-2014, 10:44 PM
Can we force a bunch of developers and city folks to watch this Clockwork Orange-style until they get it? I'd watch it repeatedly, I like Bailey... :p

I know Loni was the hot one, but I was always partial to Bailey.

kevinpate
12-25-2014, 07:13 AM
JTF, While I am not in OKC that many evenings, the few I am suggest to me that, even now in the cold weather days, you are living in the past when it comes to MBG. It is not merely, or even primarily, a place for office lunchers to snarf up a sammy and some outside air.

Come on back for a visit. Even of the city isn't creating an urban utopia, MBG appears to be right popular and is being utilized day and evenings alike.

UnFrSaKn
12-25-2014, 08:10 AM
For all you demo-happy folks out there, you must have forgotten what Bricktown looked like before one guy, Neal Horton, started buying up properties and was considered crazy by pretty much everyone. Do any of you know this story?

The Bricktown Collection | Retro Metro OKC (http://www.retrometrookc.org/the-bricktown-collection)

Some of you, if he was on here posting, would have tried to convince him of how wrong he was and that none of the "functionally obsolete" buildings in the warehouse district were worth saving.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_105.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_123.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_104.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_102.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_101.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_099.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_098.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_097.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/bricktown_collection_090.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/UnFrSaKn/Old%20Oklahoma%20City/Bricktown/r960-83e8e609d0ea932c7a6ffd1ae667a8cf.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7503/15916577649_c7908a3391_h.jpg

Bellaboo
12-25-2014, 09:48 AM
Good shot of Brickopolis in that last pic.

Looking at the older photos, a lot of filth on the streets, and not just around the abandoned buildings.

Thanks Will.

Spartan
12-25-2014, 10:35 AM
If OKC hadn't encountered the oil bust, we would have already torn down all of our historic districts. Now we can just pick up where we left off!

This isn't unique though. Urban renewal is sweeping the country again, it's just sad. Will - thx for the reminders of how we really shoulda demo'd that heap of crap east of the tracks.

Just the facts
12-25-2014, 12:10 PM
JTF, While I am not in OKC that many evenings, the few I am suggest to me that, even now in the cold weather days, you are living in the past when it comes to MBG. It is not merely, or even primarily, a place for office lunchers to snarf up a sammy and some outside air.

Come on back for a visit. Even of the city isn't creating an urban utopia, MBG appears to be right popular and is being utilized day and evenings alike.

Even if MBG is popular now, turning it into the center of an uninviting area is going to reduce the traffic it already has. There is nothing unique about OKC. When they make the same mistakes other cities make the same result is going to be achieved. My understanding is that the 'success' of MBG can be attributed to the heavy programming (ice rink, pop-up shops, and the summer movie series). When the new Central Park opens how much of that programming is going to move over there?

Jeepnokc
12-25-2014, 12:35 PM
Even if MBG is popular now, turning it into the center of an uninviting area is going to reduce the traffic it already has. There is nothing unique about OKC. When they make the same mistakes other cities make the same result is going to be achieved. My understanding is that the 'success' of MBG can be attributed to the heavy programming (ice rink, pop-up shops, and the summer movie series). When the new Central Park opens how much of that programming is going to move over there?

Considering that Devon is supporting or behind a lot of the special programming and it is basically their front yard...I would venture not much of it.

Bellaboo
12-25-2014, 12:57 PM
Even if MBG is popular now, turning it into the center of an uninviting area is going to reduce the traffic it already has. There is nothing unique about OKC. When they make the same mistakes other cities make the same result is going to be achieved. My understanding is that the 'success' of MBG can be attributed to the heavy programming (ice rink, pop-up shops, and the summer movie series). When the new Central Park opens how much of that programming is going to move over there?

Every time I walk through the MBG, which is to a lot of the Thunder games, it is pretty often loaded with families and their kids. You need to come up and spend a few hours so you can see.

Just the facts
12-25-2014, 02:47 PM
Every time I walk through the MBG, which is to a lot of the Thunder games, it is pretty often loaded with families and their kids. You need to come up and spend a few hours so you can see.

Is it possible it is crowded because of the Thunder game?

HotStuff80
12-25-2014, 03:02 PM
For all you demo-happy folks out there, you must have forgotten what Bricktown looked like before one guy, Neal Horton, started buying up properties and was considered crazy by pretty much everyone. Do any of you know this story?

William, you are one of the main reasons that I visit this web site.
I appreciate your photos, and very few post any. Keep up the good work! :)

(Old OKC - ite in the early 1960s)

Jeepnokc
12-25-2014, 03:33 PM
Is it possible it is crowded because of the Thunder game?

I don't see it has often as when I was directly across street but MBG stays pretty busy all day from exercise classes on lawn at lunch to kids playing after school to couple walking through or sitting around at night, I have been very impressed how when I would leave the office at 6 or 7 at night and the park would be full of people. Same with weekends. I noticed it as it was so different than it was 10 years ago when there would be nobody around at night or on weekends.

UnFrSaKn
12-25-2014, 03:33 PM
Thanks! I post stuff to both remind the regular visitors and posters but more importantly the many unknown visitors to this forum who don't know anything about OKC and want to educate themselves. Only Pete could tell you how many people visit this site and no one knows who they are.

BoulderSooner
12-25-2014, 04:47 PM
Is it possible it is crowded because of the Thunder game?

Nope. And agin you ahve no idea what you are talking about from the burbs in Jax

catcherinthewry
12-25-2014, 05:25 PM
Is it possible it is crowded because of the Thunder game?

Is it possible for you to not be negative?

Spartan
12-25-2014, 06:15 PM
Even if MBG is popular now, turning it into the center of an uninviting area is going to reduce the traffic it already has. There is nothing unique about OKC. When they make the same mistakes other cities make the same result is going to be achieved. My understanding is that the 'success' of MBG can be attributed to the heavy programming (ice rink, pop-up shops, and the summer movie series). When the new Central Park opens how much of that programming is going to move over there?

I have an idea why don't you like go to OKC? The Myriad Gardens are located at Robinson and Sheridan, Hudson and Reno, and if you go on a nice day you'll have a great visit. It's a very well done park, with or without the programming which btw is a necessity for all urban parks. Programming can be formal or informal.

OKC can be easily reached by plane or car. Personally I do either depending on the time of year (weather and how busy I get). If you're an educated professional you should be able to afford to like visit the city you always discuss online. I am sorry for how rude this is, and I don't mean to call you out, but when you don't have recent MBG experience you really need to rectify your OKC familiarity.

I happen to agree with you that it is beyond disgraceful to surround this great park with nothing but convention centers and energy HQs. However you could make the point a little better.

pickles
12-25-2014, 08:10 PM
I happen to agree with you that it is beyond disgraceful to surround this great park with nothing but convention centers and energy HQs.

lmao at this

bchris02
12-25-2014, 09:31 PM
I second the motion that JTF needs to visit OKC and experience the park for himself as it is today. It's hard to believe some of the things being posted here. It's become a vibrant experience and is a real asset to OKC. Having so many people living and working in the adjacent block and the new convention center with hotel will only further strengthen the park, not detract from it.

ljbab728
12-25-2014, 09:50 PM
For all you demo-happy folks out there, you must have forgotten what Bricktown looked like before one guy, Neal Horton, started buying up properties and was considered crazy by pretty much everyone. Do any of you know this story?

The Bricktown Collection | Retro Metro OKC (http://www.retrometrookc.org/the-bricktown-collection)

Some of you, if he was on here posting, would have tried to convince him of how wrong he was and that none of the "functionally obsolete" buildings in the warehouse district were worth saving.
I'm not sure who you are addressing those comments to. There are few, if any, posters here that would be doing that. Some are less against razing buildings than others though.

ljbab728
12-25-2014, 09:56 PM
I second the motion that JTF needs to visit OKC and experience the park for himself as it is today. It's hard to believe some of the things being posted here. It's become a vibrant experience and is a real asset to OKC. Having so many people living and working in the adjacent block and the new convention center with hotel will only further strengthen the park, not detract from it.

That's very true. The vibrancy of the park hasn't been deterred in the least by having a boarded up theater on one side, a parking lot on one side, and the blank walls of the Cox on one side. It is its own attraction and the new projects surrounding it won't deter that continuing.

Spartan
12-25-2014, 10:12 PM
I second the motion that JTF needs to visit OKC and experience the park for himself as it is today. It's hard to believe some of the things being posted here. It's become a vibrant experience and is a real asset to OKC. Having so many people living and working in the adjacent block and the new convention center with hotel will only further strengthen the park, not detract from it.

Have you hugged a convention center yet today? Lol