Yes, it is west of Oklahoma.

See post #18 on this thread for an aerial.

What will be the total number of deep deuce / maywood residential units be, including this proposal?

Probably close to a thousand. This would also be a neighborhood that could have its population doubled in the next 2-3 years. This project is 150ish units alone, LEVEL is 200+ .. those aren't drops in the bucket, that's a deluge.

This area is developing at an amazingly fast pace. It seems as though a project is announced every month. It is almost unbelievable. In just a few years, this will be a high density, urban neighborhood.

I mean more so than it is now.....:)

Probably close to a thousand. This would also be a neighborhood that could have its population doubled in the next 2-3 years. This project is 150ish units alone, LEVEL is 200+ .. those aren't drops in the bucket, that's a deluge.

Also interesting, it represents more units than Deep Deuce Apartments AND includes commercial sq footage, but is built on about 1/4 or 1/3 or the land area. Deep Deuce spans 4 blocks and these two projects are barely 1.5 blocks. Shows how far thinking on urban design and density in this neighborhood has come since 1999.

Deep Deuce Apartments are 294 units on 8.8 (!) acres.


I have the total living units in the Deep Deuce triangle to be 474 (Deep Deuce 294, Maywood Lofts 56, Block 42 42, The Hill 32, Central Avenue Villas 30) and these two new projects (139 + 222) will push that number to 835.

Also, more units are planned for The Hill (125) and the Brownstones (?).


For all of downtown, my calculations put the number at 1,775 living units if you include the two new DD projects.

Wow...

Does all that density warrant as streetcar?

Yes it does. It has the highest density of residents in the downtown area.

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Deep Deuce Apartments are 294 units on 8.8 (!) acres.


I have the total living units in the Deep Deuce triangle to be 474 (Deep Deuce 294, Maywood Lofts 56, Block 42 42, The Hill 32, Central Avenue Villas 30) and these two new projects (139 + 222) will push that number to 835.

Also, more units are planned for The Hill (125) and the Brownstones (?).

You left out the Brownstones that have already been built in your existing count. There is also the Clark Building across from the 2nd Street Lofts.

You left out the Brownstones that have already been built in your existing count. There is also the Clark Building across from the 2nd Street Lofts.

there is also the sage building with apts upstairs and the building next door to sage that has 7 units neither of those buildings are part of the deep deuce apts ..

I actually did count the 20 Brownstones, just didn't list them.

As for the others, if someone could provide a link with exact number of units, I'll add them to my running list.

I have the total living units in the Deep Deuce triangle to be 474 (Deep Deuce 294, Maywood Lofts 56, Block 42 42, The Hill 32, Central Avenue Villas 30) and these two new projects (139 + 222) will push that number to 835.



835 residential units either in this area is awesome for Okc, also add in the Aloft Hotel with rooms for guests. It will be interesting to see what this area will top out at in the next year or two.

It would be incredible for someone to develop a residential tower somewhere in this area too. Two prime areas are really left, along Walnut either corner of 3rd or 4th street.

835 residential units either in this area is awesome for Okc, also add in the Aloft Hotel with rooms for guests. It will be interesting to see what this area will top out at in the next year or two.

It would be incredible for someone to develop a residential tower somewhere in this area too. Two prime areas are really left, along Walnut either corner of 3rd or 4th street.

One thing is for sure - the newer the development the denser it is. When space becomes a premium the only option is to build up.

It looks as if they are soil testing here. Has anyone heard a possible start date for these? As far as I'm concerned, these projects might as well all start at once. That keeps the noise and construction debris confined to a smaller time frame.

I haven't seen a building permit submitted as of yet.

Pete, is there still no building permit for these 4th street lofts yet?

No, no building permit yet.

Shucks, thanks Pete. Hope they still start this summer.

I don't know if there's a building permit for the apartments that will be built on 4th St., but I noticed there are flags in the ground covering the approximate area for which it is planned.

4th street is moving forward, but it is still 90-120 days from breaking ground.

Deep Deuce Apartments are 294 units on 8.8 (!) acres.


I have the total living units in the Deep Deuce triangle to be 474 (Deep Deuce 294, Maywood Lofts 56, Block 42 42, The Hill 32, Central Avenue Villas 30) and these two new projects (139 + 222) will push that number to 835.

Also, more units are planned for The Hill (125) and the Brownstones (?).


For all of downtown, my calculations put the number at 1,775 living units if you include the two new DD projects.

And 8 units above Sage and 4 in the small building behind. Also, there is a home being placed on the 2nd floor across from the Lofts. Plus there is an old house inhabited on 3rd/Central.

So 14 more units to your count. lol Keep'um coming!

So, I'm curious... is 1,775 a good number of units for a city our size? How much more dense will we be? Enough to get out of towners off our backs for not being dense enough? Sorry if I sound dumb here. I'm 24. lol. I've really been interested in the growth of the city the last 7 years or so. I don't know much about how it works and I also lived out of state for 4 years while in the military. Thanks in advance.

4th street is moving forward, but it is still 90-120 days from breaking ground.

great to hear .. having 3 construction sites within a couple of blocks will be very fun to watch the next couple of years

Not so much fun to live near, though! You certainly don't have a choice about getting up by 7 a.m., because that's when all the work begins. I'm OK with it actually, but wish they'd all started simultaneously so the pain wouldn't drag out quite so long.

Speaking of which, the inebriate alternative still seems to be operational. I wonder if anyone knows when they're actually going to move so it can be demolished. Aside from clearing asphalt and putting up a construction fence and a couple of signs, nothing is happening with Aloft.

Any official renderings for this project? Is this project still alive?

Haven't seen an official rendering but quite sure it is still on track.

Great news! Can't wait to see all of these new projects come together!

I got an email from construction wire that mentioned a "Deep Deuce Apartment Complex" valued at $16 Million, due to start bidding July 2011.

Which also happens to be the value of the apartments in question, according to http://newsok.com/new-apartment-complex-proposed-for-oklahoma-citys-deep-deuce/article/3541208?custom_click=lead_story_title

Looks like they may start soon.

Haven't seen an official rendering but quite sure it is still on track.

Not official, but this was from the original article that is now archived..I think it uses cookies to display the images from blogger so I'll just post a link.
http://downtownontherange.blogspot.com/2011/02/score-some-more-for-deep-deuce.html

No activity as of July 28, 2011

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We should see something before the Downtown Design Review Committee before long.

I'm hoping the new design is a bit more innovative than the Maywood Lofts. Since I look at it every day, over time it's become less and less attractive. It has such an insitutional appearance. I remember the preliminary design looked fairly similar. I'm happy the Maywood Lofts are all brick, but I wish there were something to break up the sameness.

I'm hoping the new design is a bit more innovative than the Maywood Lofts. Since I look at it every day, over time it's become less and less attractive. It has such an insitutional appearance. I remember the preliminary design looked fairly similar. I'm happy the Maywood Lofts are all brick, but I wish there were something to break up the sameness.

I think the Lofts will be a fantastic aesthetic once totally surrounded by a complimentary built environment, but I agree, it's way too drab to stand on its own as a built environment, especially next to the Brownstones which are sort of opposites.

The area hasn't yet really developed an architectural fingerprint. Right now it looks kind of like none of the developers are talking. It seems like a hodgepodge of styles, materials, and quality. With the Level apartments and the ALoft that may change.

On the other hand, I would hate it to all look programmed. Most interesting neighborhoods are random. Level has a bunch of brick samples up, which are fun to look at. There are some nice greys, which would look different but pick up the grey accent color in the Brownstones without looking too "matchey". There's a grey-brown I don't like at all. Haven't seen Richard around to give him my opinion! Although if he's like me, he trusts no one's opinion but his own when it comes to color.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply the area should be all the same. However, it looks a little haphazard right now. I am sure that will change a lot as it becomes dense and you aren't staring across an open field to a lone project. I think the whole area's identity will gel a lot more when the current projects complete.

The area hasn't yet really developed an architectural fingerprint. Right now it looks kind of like none of the developers are talking. It seems like a hodgepodge of styles, materials, and quality. With the Level apartments and the ALoft that may change.

Well I think in the end it will definitely be an overwhelming sense of this 21st Century urban district, which will be very unique to Oklahoma.

The area hasn't yet really developed an architectural fingerprint. Right now it looks kind of like none of the developers are talking. It seems like a hodgepodge of styles, materials, and quality. With the Level apartments and the ALoft that may change.

I agree, the only projects that semi compliment each other are the Deep Deuce apartments and Block 42. There should have been a design review committee implemented in Deep Deuce similar to the one in Bricktown, to regulate some type of design style/standards in Deep Deuce instead of letting developers just do anything.

I agree, the only projects that semi compliment each other are the Deep Deuce apartments and Block 42. There should have been a design review committee implemented in Deep Deuce similar to the one in Bricktown, to regulate some type of design style/standards in Deep Deuce instead of letting developers just do anything.

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There is a design review process in Deep Deuce.

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There is a design review process in Deep Deuce.

What, the downtown design review committee? I don't think they address style/or standards for residential development, it's more of a we approve or don't approve the project.

Bricktown has the "Bricktown Urban Design Committee" and they made Marsh Pitman go back and change their hotel design because it didn't mesh well. They need a committee like that in Deep Deuce.

Spartan, Rover, have you been to the Victory Park development in Dallas? If you look at all the projects residential and commercial, they all compliment each other vey well and it looks great. The Terrace, The Vista, Cirque, The House, W Hotel and One Victory Park.

The DDR upholds standards just as BUD does. It's just that Bricktown is a historic district, Deep Deuce is mostly brownfield. There are different development aims there.

Victory is a failed urban development, by the way.

The DDR upholds standards just as BUD does. It's just that Bricktown is a historic district, Deep Deuce is mostly brownfield. There are different development aims there.

Victory is a failed urban development, by the way.

How has it failed? Victory Park is one of the better mixed-use developments I have seen. It has the AA arena to anchor it, W, and several upscale commercial/residential high-rises, good restaurants and clubs. Let me guess you prefer West Village?

http://www.victorypark.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=SZkfIveL-jM%3d&tabid=65

G. Walker, it's common knowledge Victory Park was a failed effort,Google it.

G. Walker, it's common knowledge Victory Park was a failed effort,Google it. Agree. Metro is correct. VP was not the success that developers had envisioned:(

All of the stores moved out of Victory Park. It's a dead zone. They went too high end and the retail elements couldn't survive. Definitely a failure.

The references you guys are making that Victory Park was a failure, was 2 years ago, lol, in the middle of the recession. And both articles I read about its failure were from the same magazine. When was the last time you guys were seriously at Victory Park, to see for yourselves? I was there for the 4th of July weekend, and it was great, and vibrant, and its on the upswing. Most of the construction was done in 2007, just before recession so of course it wouldn't be as successful as some may thought, but now, 4 years later its not the same, if its such a failed development, they why do developers keep building there? lol...

My friends live in Cirque. I was there a week ago. It was dead. The entire west side is void of business.

The references you guys are making that Victory Park was a failure, was 2 years ago, lol, in the middle of the recession. And both articles I read about its failure were from the same magazine. When was the last time you guys were seriously at Victory Park, to see for yourselves? I was there for the 4th of July weekend, and it was great, and vibrant, and its on the upswing. Most of the construction was done in 2007, just before recession so of course it wouldn't be as successful as some may thought, but now, 4 years later its not the same, if its such a failed development, they why do developers keep building there? lol...

Why do developers do anything?

I was in Victory Park twice this year; Thunder regular season game against the Mavs in January and the lone Western Conference Finals game the Thunder won. Both times there were lots of people rushing through to get to or from the arena before and after the game, but almost nobody lingering. The "vibe" was nonexistent. Zippo.

What's wrong with West Village? I admit I choke on the name a bit because the REAL West Village is in Lower Manhattan, not Uptown Dallas, but by all standard measures, the West Village is ridiculously successful.

I like the West Village a lot, and yeah, that is ridiculously successful. It's a great development. It even has a heritage trolley that connects it with DT Dallas. That whole strip of Uptown Dallas is really, really successful. Except for Victory, ironically.

I like the West Village a lot, and yeah, that is ridiculously successful. It's a great development. It even has a heritage trolley that connects it with DT Dallas. That whole strip of Uptown Dallas is really, really successful. Except for Victory, ironically.

West Village and the nearby Knox Henderson district has really taken off in the last 5 years. I remember when we first moved to Dallas in the late 90's. We were going to see my uncle who lived in east Dallas and ended up getting lost in what is that area. Scary. First time I ever saw a real live prostitute and I had to have my mom explain it to me (I was 13). Awkward!

I ended up going to that area last year trying to find some new boots at a place called Cowboy Cool. Cheapest were $350. I decided to go to Langstons instead! So yeah the area is pretty upscale. I would love if the LEVEL apartments become something similar.

And yes anyone whose been to Victory knows that isn't not active at all. When the Mavs or Stars aren't playing its eerily quiet. The architecture is really cold and sterile, nothing like West Village. The only thing in that area is WFAA studios and The House of Blues.

It will be two 4 story buildings, outside will be brick/stucco, 139 units, and " upscale", completion date 6/2013, according to agreement with the Oklahoma City Economic Development Trust:

http://www.okc.gov/AgendaPub/cache/2/iw4qhs45o3j5gmibgoohylzg/129937008052011090325583.PDF

Yep, that's the Ron Bradshaw project I wrote about a few months back.

It will be two 4 story buildings, outside will be brick/stucco, 139 units, and " upscale", completion date 6/2013, according to agreement with the Oklahoma City Economic Development Trust:

http://www.okc.gov/AgendaPub/cache/2/iw4qhs45o3j5gmibgoohylzg/129937008052011090325583.PDF

Yeah the ball is rolling. City financing assistance is a good thing.

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