I wasn't going for any angle. You said prostitute by choice was "of no concern of mine." I was just curious if it was no concern did you still put up pictures or videos of them on your site. Judging by your post the answer is yes. I understand it's probably difficult to tell if the prostitute has a pimp or not and not even sure if you ask them.

It makes no difference to me if the prostitution was 'by choice' if its advertised, solicited, procured and/or engaged in public.

As for 'asking' the women who are engaged in prostitution if its by choice - it can be fairly pointless. It is very rare to talk to a prostitute on the streets and she claim to be being forced to prostitute. Their initial reaction is to almost always claim to be in charge of their decisions. It isn't until a rapport is established that the truth begins to emerge.

Take this 18-year old girl for instance - 'Honey' (started prostituting when she was only 14)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSRd9xYvFls

In the interview she claims to be the one in charge and that she doesn't have a pimp, she just has boyfriend and that she actually controls his money.

Don't know if she believes that or if that's just her line.

In reality, just 2-3 weeks after this interview, a street outreach team found her on the side of the road bawling because she just found out that her 'non-pimp boyfriend' had made arrangements to sell her to another pimp. Apparently that happened as she has only been seen sporadically since then and is now always being watched by a different 'pimp.'

Most of the girls are convinced to never reveal that they have a pimp. However, its pretty obvious because they tend to be on their cell phone (free welfare phone usually) literally the entire time they are on Robinson. The pimps even often have them keep an open line while engaged in their sex acts.

Yeah I imagine it would be hard to get an honest answer.

''OKLAHOMA CITY - An area where police responded to a shooting Tuesday afternoon was just blocks away from where police conducted an undercover operation hours earlier.
Monday night, Oklahoma City police officers converged on the area around S.W. 43rd and Robinson, and arrested nearly a dozen people involved in prostitution.

"I love it," said Duane Compton, who's lived there the last 15 years.

Unfortunately, Compton said, the sting won't have a lasting impact.

"It slows ‘em down," Compton explained. "[But] give it two or three days, and it's right back."

Compton and others who live in the area say they are sick of the prostitution and the way that it spills out right in front of them – and their families.

"I have kids out here all the time," Compton said. "I've got neighbor kids that live right behind me, the come up here and play."

The ‘Johns' will often finish their business, Compton said, and drop the prostitutes right in front of his home.

"They let ‘em out right here on the corner, right in front of your driveway," Compton complained – "I have kids out here all the time."


- OKC Police Arrest Nearly A Dozen People In Prostitution Ring - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/23761105/okc-police-arrest-nearly-a-dozen-people-in-prostitution-ring)

''OKLAHOMA CITY - An area where police responded to a shooting Tuesday afternoon was just blocks away from where police conducted an undercover operation hours earlier.
Monday night, Oklahoma City police officers converged on the area around S.W. 43rd and Robinson, and arrested nearly a dozen people involved in prostitution.

"I love it," said Duane Compton, who's lived there the last 15 years.

Unfortunately, Compton said, the sting won't have a lasting impact.

"It slows ‘em down," Compton explained. "[But] give it two or three days, and it's right back."

Compton and others who live in the area say they are sick of the prostitution and the way that it spills out right in front of them – and their families.

"I have kids out here all the time," Compton said. "I've got neighbor kids that live right behind me, the come up here and play."

The ‘Johns' will often finish their business, Compton said, and drop the prostitutes right in front of his home.

"They let ‘em out right here on the corner, right in front of your driveway," Compton complained – "I have kids out here all the time."


- OKC Police Arrest Nearly A Dozen People In Prostitution Ring - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/23761105/okc-police-arrest-nearly-a-dozen-people-in-prostitution-ring)

If they want to do it, they should have move to Nevada where it is legal

If they want to do it, they should have move to Nevada where it is legal

Not quite the reality.

Most of the girls on Robinson are under the control of a pimp. Most pimps would not allow 'their woman/women' to work in a legal brothel in the United States for a variety of reasons - mostly due to a lack of control over them.

Additionally, most street level prostitutes could not work within a legal US brothel even if they wanted to because of their felony convictions, drug use and sexually transmitted diseases.

Not quite the reality.

Most of the girls on Robinson are under the control of a pimp. Most pimps would not allow 'their woman/women' to work in a legal brothel in the United States for a variety of reasons - mostly due to a lack of control over them.

Additionally, most street level prostitutes could not work within a legal US brothel even if they wanted to because of their felony convictions, drug use and sexually transmitted diseases.

Interesting

I do have a question, if a person pay for sex but it is in the hotel room or in their house is that okay because it is not in public?

Interesting

I do have a question, if a person pay for sex but it is in the hotel room or in their house is that okay because it is not in public?

Have no idea what you mean by, "is that okay" - Okay with whom? The law? Me/JohnTV? The moral compass of society? I'm confused.

1.) No. The law only cares about geography when it wants to escalate the crime to a felony because it is conducted within 1,000' of a church or a school.

2.) I don't take a proactive stance against prostitution that is 100% consensual, private and unorganized.

3.) No idea, that compass has been off kilter for a long time and is totally dependent on who you ask and how you ask the question.

Have no idea what you mean by, "is that okay" - Okay with whom? The law? Me/JohnTV? The moral compass of society? I'm confused.

1.) No. The law only cares about geography when it wants to escalate the crime to a felony because it is conducted within 1,000' of a church or a school.

2.) I don't take a proactive stance against prostitution that is 100% consensual, private and unorganized.

3.) No idea, that compass has been off kilter for a long time and is totally dependent on who you ask and how you ask the question.


Sorry I did not make it more clear, I meant illegal but thank you for the answers

AVRAHAM 'Avi' SHEMUELIAN with Lawyer's Title LLC out of LA was busted last night in a prostitution sting.

He has been quoted several times (even on OKCTalk) regarding his company buying buildings in the downtown/Midtown area.

Oklahoma County Sheriff's Inmate Query (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/cosheriff/InmateQuery/bookingdetail.asp?PERSON_ID=200405949)

AVRAHAM 'Avi' SHEMUELIAN with Lawyer's Title LLC out of LA was busted last night in a prostitution sting.

He has been quoted several times (even on OKCTalk) regarding his company buying buildings in the downtown/Midtown area.

Oklahoma County Sheriff's Inmate Query (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/cosheriff/InmateQuery/bookingdetail.asp?PERSON_ID=200405949)

Well, he obviously was just very interested in contributing to our local economy. :)

Well, he obviously was just very interested in contributing to our local economy. :)

Probably now, just a little more than he had previously planned....

Instead of contributing $200 - He's now looking at $1,900 vehicle 90-day impound fee, $500 bond, $3,000 - $15,000+ attorney fees, probably $100-$500 fine, $900 court costs, etc.

Probably now, just a little more than he had previously planned....

Instead of contributing $200 - He's now looking at $1,900 vehicle 90-day impound fee, $500 bond, $3,000 - $15,000+ attorney fees, probably $100-$500 fine, $900 court costs, etc.

Still cheaper than my ex-wife

Still cheaper than my ex-wife

Oh yeah - I forgot to calculate the fact some of these guy's arrests lead to divorce. $$$$$$$$$$$

Oh yeah - I forgot to calculate the fact some of these guy's arrests lead to divorce. $$$$$$$$$$$

Whatever happened to, "For Better or Worse . . . For Richer or Poorer . . . Free or in The Hoosgow . . ." ?

Whatever happened to, "For Better or Worse . . . For Richer or Poorer . . . Free or in The Hoosgow . . ." ?

..home or with a hooker...

Those were the days before in sickness included HIV exposure, amongst other lil' illicit pleasure born buggers

Those were the days before in sickness included HIV exposure, amongst other lil' illicit pleasure born buggers

Yeah . . .
But even back in The Good Ol' Days, when marriage vows meant something, they had Syphilis, Gonarhe . . .--The Clap, and Genital Warts. And crabs. There were crabs, too . . .

Yeah . . .
But even back in The Good Ol' Days, when marriage vows meant something, they had Syphilis, Gonarhe . . .--The Clap, and Genital Warts. And crabs. There were crabs, too . . .

Honestly, the biggest STD concern locally is Hep C - as MANY of our working girls have it and its easily spread.

Considering the husband obviously ignored the 'love' and 'honor' clause - I say the rest is not the burden of the wife to endure should she choose not to.

Honestly, the biggest STD concern locally is Hep C - as MANY of our working girls have it and its easily spread.Considering the husband obviously ignored the 'love' and 'honor' clause - I say the rest is not the burden of the wife to endure should she choose not to.

No pun intended.

Those were the days before in sickness included HIV exposure, amongst other lil' illicit pleasure born buggers

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/condoms-euro-2012.jpg

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/condoms-euro-2012.jpg

Another reason legalization doesn't take prostitutes off the streets. Most don't require condoms and most Johns don't want to use them. In a legalized setting they would be mandatory.

Also, most people think a legalized system is 'safe' because of testing...... Two things most people don't know or think about...

1.) Testing only offers protection for the John, and offers nothing for the prostitute since only she is required to be disease free.

2.) In a legalized system - based on Nevada - only a few STD's are actually even tested for. Legal prostitutes in Nevada are NOT tested for many very common STD's.

Assuming these are OKC muni cases, court costs will only run 2-400 (unless there is some special cost that attach to prostitution that I didn't see in the OKC Code) and the going rate on atty fees range from $750- to $5000 with most being 1500-2500. Anyone paying over 5k for a city prostitution misd reminds me of the old saying that a fool and his money are soon parted. I generally don't see fines less than $500 and generally are closer to $750 In OK County, the courts costs would be under $300, fines and VCA around $500.00 and atty fees about the same but would have $40/month DA probation fee. The impoundment fee is a bitch but if the car doesn't belong to you, the owner can avoid it and get car back,

These type of busts are a waste of taxpayer money. These aren't streetwalkers and customers walking/driving through neighborhoods. It was done through websites and was being conducted in private. As long as the participants are of age and consenting, I really don't care what they do. Legalize, regulate, and tax it.

Assuming these are OKC muni cases, court costs will only run 2-400 (unless there is some special cost that attach to prostitution that I didn't see in the OKC Code) and the going rate on atty fees range from $750- to $5000 with most being 1500-2500. Anyone paying over 5k for a city prostitution misd reminds me of the old saying that a fool and his money are soon parted. I generally don't see fines less than $500 and generally are closer to $750 In OK County, the courts costs would be under $300, fines and VCA around $500.00 and atty fees about the same but would have $40/month DA probation fee. The impoundment fee is a bitch but if the car doesn't belong to you, the owner can avoid it and get car back,

These type of busts are a waste of taxpayer money. These aren't streetwalkers and customers walking/driving through neighborhoods. It was done through websites and was being conducted in private. As long as the participants are of age and consenting, I really don't care what they do. Legalize, regulate, and tax it.

Some thoughts and corrections.....

1.) Virtually all prostitution cases are filed with the county and not city. Been that way since about 2002.

2.) Oklahoma County almost never gives fines in the $750 (or even $500 area) area. I did the numbers in 2011 over the course of 53 convictions and the average fine was only $53. Last time I looked it up (been awhile) the maximum fine via the state was $2,500. Right now fines are averaging $35-$300.

3.) Added up a few convicted Johns and the court costs ranged from $297-$515.

4.) Most often the probation is unsupervised - so no monthly fee.

5.) The John is almost always in a vehicle he owns.

6.) Also, if escalated to a felony (use of a computer, smart phone, etc.) then the costs go up.

As for attorney fees - you often get what you pay for. I follow EVERY case and when a John hires a high profile (high cost) attorney they can most often get the least severe outcome and in MANY circumstances never be charged with the crime to begin with.

The difference between a $750 lawyer and a $5,000-$10,000 lawyer can be the difference between getting charged and not, or getting a fine only sentence or only a couple of months probation as opposed to a few years deferred or even suspended.

There is a reason people like a Norman millionaire, an OUHSC surgeon, a rancher, a newspaper editor, a philanthropist, a high up with a local college and two local lawyers have all been arrested for prostitution and avoided ever even being charged - and virtually or literally avoided all media coverage. I don't know of a single blue collar working stiff (no pun intended) that has been arrested for prostitution and avoided charges.

In my opinion the only thing that makes these busts "a waste of taxpayer money" is the fact that - the most well to do can avoid charges all together and that prosecutors and judges allow those charged to get such low monetary punishment compared to the cost to arrest.

FYI - Yes, these are street walkers. The first 11 arrests happened at 43rd and Robinson and 44 and Byers. I know, I was there.

Also, many of the ones caught in the online portion of the sting are also Robinson street walkers. Over the last couple of years the presence of street walkers has gone down at least 60% and probably closer to 75%. Most of these women went online with the advent of easily accessible smart phones.

You can't determine the extent of one's consensual participation without arresting them in a sting - So to call the stings worthless is naive as its the only way to identify the very real victims that exist - like the 15-16 pregnant girl Zeke Campfield was paying. She was working online and her pimp was convicted of human trafficking. Not doing these stings would have never have uncovered that - and the examples are endless.

I have zero issue with decriminalizing 100% private consensual and unorganized prostitution. But, if you're doing that to alleviate the illegal prostitution, you're fooling yourself, because that's not the effect it will have.

Have you ever seen an attractive hooker in Oklahoma ? I work in the stockyard area and cannot believe what these girls look like or how desperate someone has to be to hire one.

Have you ever seen an attractive hooker in Oklahoma ? I work in the stockyard area and cannot believe what these girls look like or how desperate someone has to be to hire one.

Yes... My wife used to work with a woman who turned tricks on the side for extra cash and she was quite attractive.

Have you ever seen an attractive hooker in Oklahoma ? I work in the stockyard area and cannot believe what these girls look like or how desperate someone has to be to hire one.

'Attractiveness' is in the eye of the beholder. But if you mean by social norms? Then yes, I have seen and/or met several who were very attractive. Its would be impossible for local pimps like Germaine Coulter and Mario Diaz to make the FBI estimated $150,000+ a month if they did not coerce attractive women into their control.

But, I've also seen an attractive woman age 30 years in less than 5 years after being turned onto the streets and addiction.

These two were under the control of Diaz and Coulter and served as 'bottom b i t c h e s' for them.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8923/zjr3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/zjr3.jpg/)

Some thoughts and corrections.....

1.) Virtually all prostitution cases are filed with the county and not city. Been that way since about 2002.

2.) Oklahoma County almost never gives fines in the $750 (or even $500 area) area. I did the numbers in 2011 over the course of 53 convictions and the average fine was only $53. Last time I looked it up (been awhile) the maximum fine via the state was $2,500. Right now fines are averaging $35-$300.

3.) Added up a few convicted Johns and the court costs ranged from $297-$515.

4.) Most often the probation is unsupervised - so no monthly fee.

5.) The John is almost always in a vehicle he owns.

6.) Also, if escalated to a felony (use of a computer, smart phone, etc.) then the costs go up.

As for attorney fees - you often get what you pay for. I follow EVERY case and when a John hires a high profile (high cost) attorney they can most often get the least severe outcome and in MANY circumstances never be charged with the crime to begin with.

The difference between a $750 lawyer and a $5,000-$10,000 lawyer can be the difference between getting charged and not, or getting a fine only sentence or only a couple of months probation as opposed to a few years deferred or even suspended.

There is a reason people like a Norman millionaire, an OUHSC surgeon, a rancher, a newspaper editor, a philanthropist, a high up with a local college and two local lawyers have all been arrested for prostitution and avoided ever even being charged - and virtually or literally avoided all media coverage. I don't know of a single blue collar working stiff (no pun intended) that has been arrested for prostitution and avoided charges.

In my opinion the only thing that makes these busts "a waste of taxpayer money" is the fact that - the most well to do can avoid charges all together and that prosecutors and judges allow those charged to get such low monetary punishment compared to the cost to arrest.

FYI - Yes, these are street walkers. The first 11 arrests happened at 43rd and Robinson and 44 and Byers. I know, I was there.

Also, many of the ones caught in the online portion of the sting are also Robinson street walkers. Over the last couple of years the presence of street walkers has gone down at least 60% and probably closer to 75%. Most of these women went online with the advent of easily accessible smart phones.

You can't determine the extent of one's consensual participation without arresting them in a sting - So to call the stings worthless is naive as its the only way to identify the very real victims that exist - like the 15-16 pregnant girl Zeke Campfield was paying. She was working online and her pimp was convicted of human trafficking. Not doing these stings would have never have uncovered that - and the examples are endless.

I have zero issue with decriminalizing 100% private consensual and unorganized prostitution. But, if you're doing that to alleviate the illegal prostitution, you're fooling yourself, because that's not the effect it will have.

Not every prostitute is 15-16 yrs old. On your website....you state that Campbell was being investigated by FBI for paying a 16 yr old prostitute but you say online she was 15-16 yrs old. . Is it 15 or 16 because that matters in OK where the age of consent is 16 and having sex with a prostitute under 16 is a different felony charge than just a regular misd prostitution charge. Just because we have people drive drunk doesn't mean we shut down every bar in town. But if we provide other options like mass transit and other ways to get home, it will decrease it. Legalizing and regulating it will decrease the illegal activity but won't make it go away.

There are other sentencing options such as DA deferred prosecution in lieu of actually filing charges. We get them occasionally on military kids and various professionals. Although there is some truth in how much you pay matters, there is a point that you are just getting screwed. Your attorney fees numbers were just inaccurate and inflated. Even the most pompous and egotistical of attorneys I know (and I know plenty), none of them would charge "$15000+" for a misdemeanor. There are many attorneys in this town that can avoid charges being filed if warranted and would only charge $5k to $7500 on a county charge but most people that are going through the system are going to pay around 1500-2500 and get deferred sentences. On one hand you say the attorney matters and on the other hand you complain that the DA's office doesn't go after these guys and just give out low fines and lets them go.

It is also possible that the charges were never formally presented to the DA's office. Prater has made it very clear that he will go after attorneys and when you look at the attorneys that have lost their ticket in the last two years (even after being represented by expensive top notch legal counsel), he isn't lying. It is possible that something political happened before it was presented. A PC affidavit doesn't equal charges. The cop must still bring in the report and request charges be filed and sometimes...the charges are never presented.

In your original post...you say the fines are 100-500 but now you are saying the average fine is $53.00? Looking at my post, the $750 was for OKC fines. In the county, we generally see fines in the $500 range which includes the victim compensation assessment. I went to your website and pulled up the people from the may 1st sting. Six were charged and three have pled. The three that pled all had ct costs of $308.50. One received a $900 fine and $300 VCA along with a 2 year deferred that is supervised at $40/month. The second received a one year suspended sentence supervised at $40/mo along with a $200 fine and $200 VCA and ct costs of 308.50. The third got a one year deferred sentence supervised at $40/mo along with a 200 fine and 100 VCA with ct costs of 308.50. I would point out that two of these guys were represented by attorneys with last name like Box and Eulberg (Chris Eulberg is the attorney representing Randy Terrill right now..his partner and son is listed as atty on one of these cases). Since the DA's office has been able to collect their 40/month fee, I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen the fee waived. That money goes directly to the DA's budget and the DA's ofc is the only one that can waive it.

'Attractiveness' is in the eye of the beholder. But if you mean by social norms? Then yes, I have seen and/or met several who were very attractive. Its would be impossible for local pimps like Germaine Coulter and Mario Diaz to make the FBI estimated $150,000+ a month if they did not coerce attractive women into their control.

But, I've also seen an attractive woman age 30 years in less than 5 years after being turned onto the streets and addiction.

These two were under the control of Diaz and Coulter and served as 'bottom b i t c h e s' for them.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8923/zjr3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/zjr3.jpg/)

I would like the girl on the right please

Not every prostitute is 15-16 yrs old.

When did I ever say they are? Actually, I regularly make it clear I recognize there are women who prostitute by choice and those that prostitute by force.


On your website....you state that Campbell was being investigated by FBI for paying a 16 yr old prostitute but you say online she was 15-16 yrs old. . Is it 15 or 16 because that matters in OK where the age of consent is 16 and having sex with a prostitute under 16 is a different felony charge than just a regular misd prostitution charge.

Don't really know for sure. There appears there may have been multiple contacts with Campfield and she was prostituting while 15 and 16 years old. 'Consent' doesn't matter because even at 16 she couldn't give it legally in this situation. Regardless, Miskovsky was charged and convicted with less evidence.


Legalizing and regulating it will decrease the illegal activity but won't make it go away.

Laughably not true. Certainly not to any measurable extent. Nevada has one of this countries highest instances of illegal prostitution and human trafficking, yet legal prostitution is a viable option in neighboring counties to Las Vegas. Let me guess, we have to make it not only legal but overly convenient?

Studies also show that countries with legalized prostitution have some of the highest instances of human trafficking.

Legalize it all you want, but not if your reason is because it decreases human trafficking and illegal prostitution.


There are other sentencing options such as DA deferred prosecution in lieu of actually filing charges.

I'm well aware of all the sentencing options. I'm also aware DA Prater does not endorse the use of DA Deferred - he's told me that specifically when I've brought it up to him. However, as I've already stated, the best sentencing options (or even the option not to charge) is overwhelmingly reserved for those with means.


Your attorney fees numbers were just inaccurate and inflated. Even the most pompous and egotistical of attorneys I know (and I know plenty), none of them would charge "$15000+" for a misdemeanor.

My numbers are accurate and I know exactly what some attorneys charge and I also know their clients are very satisfied with the results. You also are ignoring the fact I never said these people were always defending misdemeanor cases. I've already pointed out that often these cases are escalated to felonies and I know several attorneys that won't touch a felony case for less than $10,000-$15,000.

You've also chose to ignore my estimate started at $3,000. Which would be more representational of a misdemeanor.


On one hand you say the attorney matters and on the other hand you complain that the DA's office doesn't go after these guys and just give out low fines and lets them go.

What's your point? I stand behind both statements.

If you think the fine is what most of the Johns are worried about you're sadly mistaken. Defendants are paying to avoid charges, to get fines only, to get a deferred over a suspended, to not get a revocation on an existing charge, to get an extremely short probation as opposed to several years. They want to avoid community service, health checks, geographic restrictions, John School. Some are able to have their prostitution charges changed to disorderly conduct to avoid problems with their profession (moral turpitude clauses).


It is also possible that the charges were never formally presented to the DA's office.

What does that even matter to the public? This isn't a bashing of the DA's office. I couldn't care less if charges where presented. The fact is, each case is often treated vastly differently and it often comes down to the lawyer you hire.

Example: Local lawyer William Nixon was busted in a sting. The other Johns busted have all been charged and some have settled their cases. Nixon hasn't even been charged. I know his blue Sheet hasn't even been presented. This is because he hired a lawyer that is running interference and I've been throwing a fit about it. I have been told he will soon be charged (but only because I've been the squeaky wheel).


In your original post...you say the fines are 100-500 but now you are saying the average fine is $53.00?

Actually - if you deal with what i said and not what you interpret you'd see the $53 (actually $52) was from 2011. TWO YEARS LATER and the fines seem to be going up slightly in some cases. Some people get $0 and others get $500. Anything over $500 is rare when you look at all cases.


Looking at my post, the $750 was for OKC fines.

That's great - except for how irrelevant that is since these cases are handled by the county for a decade now.


In the county, we generally see fines in the $500 range which includes the victim compensation assessment.

That's possible if you include the VCA. Why include the VCA? That's not the fine.


The three that pled all had ct costs of $308.50.

And I clearly posted earlier that "Added up a few convicted Johns and the court costs ranged from $297-$515." looks like your number falls right inside those boundaries.


two of these guys were represented by attorneys with last name like Box...

Which would be my last choice for a lawyer. Last time I checked Irvin and Jeff weren't even allowed to go inside the DA's office. I saw one of them having to pass papers through the window while other defense attorneys walked inside.


Since the DA's office has been able to collect their 40/month fee, I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen the fee waived.

Which goes to my point - the right lawyer is able to either avoid a supervised probation or have the probationary period so short (1-6 months) that it simply doesn't matter and they just pay it up front.

However, it is more common to see no mention of supervised probation than to see the opposite.

I would like the girl on the right please

I get the humor you were probably going for - but honestly, unless you're 20 years old or younger, it says far more about you than you realize.

I am actually working with No Boundaries Int'l right now as we work to have her prostitution record expunged after Nov. 1.

She reached out to me some time ago with nowhere to turn. She's in college out of state and going into the health field but her prostitution related convictions are a severe detriment.

She should qualify under HB1058 as a trafficking victim and not only get her record expunged but also sealed.

She just needs to meet an education milestone we have set and we are getting the money together to cover the filing fees (about $2,500). A local attorney friend has agreed to provide legal services at no charge.

I'm very glad she has her life together and I hope we can help her get to the next step.

She is depicted in this AMW....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfafGx3LPBo

Yes... My wife used to work with a woman who turned tricks on the side for extra cash and she was quite attractive.

Point of Clarification: To which "she" are you referring regarding "attractive."
(just kidding)

A online prostitute and scam artist was arrested two days ago in OKC (http://johntv.com/infamous-russian-hooker-from-la-busted-in-okc/).

A online prostitute and scam artist was arrested two days ago in OKC (http://johntv.com/infamous-russian-hooker-from-la-busted-in-okc/).

She is cute

Brian Bates is not wanted in Tulsa, hence effort has been established: Stopping Brian Bates

Stop Brian Bates aka Video Vigilante - He's Coming to Tulsa (http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20315.msg276396#msg276396)

Brian Bates is not wanted in Tulsa, hence effort has been established: Stopping Brian Bates

Stop Brian Bates aka Video Vigilante - He's Coming to Tulsa (http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=20315.msg276396#msg276396)

Wish someone would have told me I'm planning to go to Tulsa.

Why in the world would I go to Tulsa?

FYI - I actually do receive emails on a somewhat regular basis asking me to go to Tulsa. However, if it hasn't interested me in 17 years..... why would it now?

But hey..... its on the Internet...... so it MUST be true!

FYI - One crazy person's rant (using a fake identity no less) hardly equates to "Brian Bates is not wanted in Tulsa, hence effort has been established."

FYI - that thread was started by 'MHenson' - The same turd created a fake Twitter account using basically the same name and a real M Henson's photo. The real M. Henson is working to try and have the account deleted.

FWIW, I received an unsigned e-mail a few days ago asking me to post something of this sort on OKCTalk. As is my SOP for handling anonymous E-mails, I simply hit "delete" and let it go at that. Wonder how many others he hit on before the enforced posting delay for new members timed out...

FWIW, I received an unsigned e-mail a few days ago asking me to post something of this sort on OKCTalk. As is my SOP for handling anonymous E-mails, I simply hit "delete" and let it go at that. Wonder how many others he hit on before the enforced posting delay for new members timed out...

It was the same person who posted in Tulsa. They've tried to sign up on OKCTalk in the past. They sent the solicitation to numerous OKCTalkers and several contacted me about it. Obviously 'Modernism' took the troll bait. The person was banned.

level of effort someone seems to be putting into it could cause one to casually wonder when you may have popped his door open somewhere.

It's too bad Brian isn't headed to Tulsa. I could certainly use the restaurant reviews.

As for the ridiculous notion that, these are all lonely single men….. An overwhelming majority of the Hispanics I and the police catch are either married or live with their girlfriend. Most are local, though in the summer a lot are from out of town and are here doing roofing etc. (though, the majority of those appear to be married too).

Well, I find it a ridiculous situation in which men, who are married or have girlfriends, find they need to go to whores when they are presumably in a much better position to get sex for free than homely single men.

Well, I find it a ridiculous situation in which men, who are married or have girlfriends, find they need to go to whores when they are presumably in a much better position to get sex for free than homely single men.

I 100% agree. But since I'm not the type that thinks my morals should necessarily be everyone else's, at the VERY least the lonely men (married, single, or otherwise unable to control their junk) need to keep it to those whom are not on the streets or otherwise being coerced into the act.

Well, I find it a ridiculous situation in which men, who are married or have girlfriends, find they need to go to whores when they are presumably in a much better position to get sex for free than homely single men.

One would think.... I'm married and I can count the number of times I've had sex this year on two fingers..... Then again I can count the number of times I've had sex with a prostitute this year on no fingers..... or any year for that matter..... Although I was propositioned by one in Vegas five years ago.... Unfortunately for her I was newly married and on my way to the black jack table at the time. So I really didn't need her services.

And there is no such thing as free sex unless you are married to a sugar mama..... One way or another we are paying for it. :D

One way or another we are paying for it. :D

I get the joke - but, honestly, it just depends on how you look at things. I personally think a relationship is doomed if one has the mindset their partner is only worth what they are getting from them and what it costs them to get it (be it sex for the guy or shiny jewelry for the gal).

If you look at your married sex life (or committed relationship) as a prostitution type relationship then one; you don't have a clue of the reality of many types of prostitution - and second; you don't respect your significant other and a lack of true respect will eat away at a relationship - especially during the trying times all relationships go through.

I do things for my wife (buy her something, make her dinner, fill her car with gas and give it a drive through the wash on Sunday evening before her workweek, or simply spend an evening giving her my undivided attention because that's what I want to do) and she does things for me (buys me a gift, rolls up her sleeves to do some down and dirty house/yard work or simply puts up with my crap and the crap people often throw our way) because we are committed and we want to do those things for the other.

Sex, and yes, frequent sex, is most often the result of such a committed relationship. You can't buy that sort of relationship for any length of time. We celebrated 14 years this year and most often people tell us we act like we are still dating or are newlyweds.

I feel really sorry for my critics when they try and claim that all marriage and relationships are just another form of prostitution - they obviously have never been in a real mutually respected relationship.

*This rant isn't directed at the original poster, it just pointed me in the direction I went with my response. I get 'the joke' I just don't get the people who 'aren't joking' when they say it.

Speaking of...Broken engagement ends in lawsuit - Bride-to-be claims fraud / Man claims the relationship was basically just a form of prostitution.

Ga. Man Must Pay $50,000 for Breaking Engagement to Fiancee - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/ga-man-pay-50000-breaking-engagement-fiancee/story?id=21124415)

Meanwhile, Canada's laws against prostitution struck down. But the government gets one year to rewrite the law to something acceptable.

Canada high court strikes down all restrictions on prostitution - World News (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/20/21984331-canada-high-court-strikes-down-all-restrictions-on-prostitution?lite)

Meanwhile, Canada's laws against prostitution struck down. But the government gets one year to rewrite the law to something acceptable.

Canada high court strikes down all restrictions on prostitution - World News (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/20/21984331-canada-high-court-strikes-down-all-restrictions-on-prostitution?lite)

Well, yes ands no. Prostitution is legal, so the problem was they tried to enact laws that limited perfectly legal activities to the detriment of the women involved in prostitution.

UCO brings awareness to human trafficking with week of events » Local News » The Edmond Sun (http://www.edmondsun.com/local/x1783662748/UCO-brings-awareness-to-human-trafficking-with-week-of-events)

I am honored to be one of the invited panel members for this event. Other guests include Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics & Dangerous Drugs (Human Trafficking Unit), No Boundaries Int'l, Beautiful Dream Society.

Tomorrow at 11am at UCO. Open to the public.

I was asked to create a video to be shown before the panel discussion begins..... Below is that video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV3YLcHUz6k

UCO brings awareness to human trafficking with week of events » Local News » The Edmond Sun (http://www.edmondsun.com/local/x1783662748/UCO-brings-awareness-to-human-trafficking-with-week-of-events)
Awareness? Really?

Awareness? Really?

Have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make with that reply.......

Woman found dead on trash conveyor belt identified as 21-year-old (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-anaheim-trash-plant-20140315,0,742818.story#axzz2w8j1MuaS)

This woman has been featured before on my website at JohnTV.com. She first appeared on S. Robinson Ave. in late 2011/early 2012 - very pregnant.

No Boundaries Int'l reached out to her many times and provided items for her and her newborn.

Sad loss of a life that was already so lost.

From JohnTV: OKC prostitute, 21, found dead on recycling conveyor in CA (http://johntv.com/okc-prostitute-21-found-dead-recycling-conveyor-ca/)

No Boundaries In'tl will be holding a candlelight vigil and small service in her memory tonight at 7pm at their new Britton Rd. facility - 907 Britton.

Sad to see this. My thoughts and prayers to her family and kids.

Update from CBS LA and a brief interview I gave them....

Police Seek More Info On Woman Whose Body Was Found At Anaheim Recycling Plant « CBS Los Angeles (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/03/17/police-seek-more-info-on-woman-whose-body-was-found-at-anaheim-recycling-plant/#.Uyfbwty_GWc.twitter)

Very, very sad. Any idea where her child is?

With the mother of her current 'boyfriend.' (not with any biological relatives - so I was told at the candlelight vigil by close friends of Jarrae). I'm told there were other children, but I don't know where they are.

A tragedy on so many levels. I wonder if the state will or could take the child and get it into foster care? It would seem that would be a better place for it than with the boyfriend.

A tragedy on so many levels. I wonder if the state will or could take the child and get it into foster care? It would seem that would be a better place for it than with the boyfriend.

Its my understanding the custody arrangement is legal, authorities have looked into it and that there is no reason to relocate the child.

I posted a new article to JohnTV that contains a video of the memorial service for Jarrae.

No Boundaries Int’l honors the memory of slain mother caught up in prostitution (http://johntv.com/boundaries-intl-honors-memory-slain-mother-caught-prostitution/).

JohnTV Article: Study closely links OKC to DFW $100m prostitution ‘industry’ (http://johntv.com/study-closely-links-okc-dfw-100m-prostitution-industry/)


The Dallas-Fort Worth portion of the study revealed that its is extremely common for pimps and human traffickers in Oklahoma City to transport women for commercial sex in the DFW area. The study also showed that women from OKC are often lured to Texas independently.