Absolutely false, but what do I know, I was only in the business for 28 plus years.

Well then, the business has passed you over...


This information is online... Hell, it is even part of the state of Oklahoma Vehicle Contract.

I'm not saying I would advocate using a sanitation unit with a packer body as a plow, but it could be done... and the truck models that are used in the street department are the same truck models used in sanitation and WUT... unless it is a front loader... of which there are 15 new ones as of fall of 2009. The vast majority of units at OCEAT are conventional cab trucks...

Sorrry that your "28" year experience has left you with no "current" information...

well then, the business has passed you over...


This information is online... Hell, it is even part of the state of oklahoma vehicle contract.

I'm not saying i would advocate using a sanitation unit with a packer body as a plow, but it could be done... And the truck models that are used in the street department are the same truck models used in sanitation and wut... Unless it is a front loader... Of which there are 15 new ones as of fall of 2009 and are the vast minority of units at oceat...

Sorrry that your "28" year experience has left you with no "current" information...

yawn

"yawn"... FACT

"yawn"... FACT

Sure, if you say so!!

If I bring you 100 dump trucks, can you guarentee me that you will retrofit each one for $500.00, if so, I need your address.

If you read what I wrote... It says "if it is done when ordering the vehicle"... Dude? its called reading comprehension...

Sure, if you say so!!

If I bring you 100 dump trucks, can you guarentee me that you will retrofit each one for $500.00, if so, I need your address.

and BTW... Most every dump truck the street department has is already outfitted with the appropriate snow plow hookups... All of the new ones are... plows have been an issue...

If you read what I wrote... It says "if it is done when ordering the vehicle"... Dude? its called reading comprehension...


My bad, retrofit should only be a couple of hundred more, when and where should I deliver the trucks, how many will your shop/yard handle at one time.
I buy the trucks, you do the work for $700--$800, I charge consumers $3000--$4000 (which is still a bragain), It's an offer I can't refuse.

My bad, retrofit should only be a couple of hundred more, when and where should I deliver the trucks, how many will your shop/yard handle at one time.
I buy the trucks, you do the work for $700--$800, I charge consumers $3000--$4000 (which is still a bragain), It's an offer I can't refuse.

I don't do the "retrofit"... Never said I did. I am only speaking from what it costs from the original manufaturer... Like I stated in my orignial post. Like I posted above, it all about reading comprension... Apparently you have none.

I would like know how much money the OKC metro area has lost during each of the last 2 blizzards.

They said that over 1000 injuries occurred during our last snow storm. Of these how many could have been prevented by better ice/snow removal. How much did this cost our economy? Surly we must pay higher insurance rates because of this?
When many businesses and governmental entities can’t operate for days how many millions does that cost our economy.


This issue reflects poor on our economic development efforts.
Imagine our city/state leaders talking to a major business who was interested in moving to our area why we stay paralyzed for so much longer than a competition did.

This is a quality of life issue that most any outside business would consider not only from a pure business point of view but also for their employees.

They said that over 1000 injuries occurred during our last snow storm. Of these how many could have been prevented by better ice/snow removal. How much did this cost our economy? Surly we must pay higher insurance rates because of this?

I'm not going to take time to research statistics on this but, from what I remember, there were relatively few automobile related accidents and injuries during the last snow storm. If that figure is accurate, the vast majority of those injuries were likely unrelated to driving at all and thus not connected to snow removal issues. Most of the accidents and automobile related injuries that do occur are more directly connected to reckless drivers.

I'm not going to take time to research statistics on this but, from what I remember, there were relatively few automobile related accidents and injuries during the last snow storm. If that figure is accurate, the vast majority of those injuries were likely unrelated to driving at all and thus not connected to snow removal issues. Most of the accidents and automobile related injuries that do occur are more directly connected to reckless drivers.

Your point was accounted for when I said that “Of these how many could have been prevented by better ice/snow removal” But even if the cost of accidents due to poor Ice/snow removal is only 10%, the total cost still needs to be accounted for.
I do know that the TV folks were saying that it was very slick several days after the storm and that several accidents had occurred. If the snow had been removed in a timely way the refreezing would not have been as bad and we would have had fewer accidents.

Your point was accounted for when I said that “Of these how many could have been prevented by better ice/snow removal” But even if the cost of accidents due to poor Ice/snow removal is only 10%, the total cost still needs to be accounted for.
I do know that the TV folks were saying that it was very slick several days after the storm and that several accidents had occurred. If the snow had been removed in a timely way the refreezing would not have been as bad and we would have had fewer accidents.

I don't know where you were driving but I never saw refreezing as a major problem during this storm except on residential streets. When snow is scrapped to the sides of the streets some of it will alway melt and run back out on the streets to refreeze. Of course there were accidents, but as I said, the vast majority were caused by reckless drivers instead of terrible street conditions. I don't enjoy driving on snowy or ice covered road any more than anyone else but I don't think that the snow removal efforts are near the problem that so many seem to dwell on. You have no way of knowing for sure about how many accidents would or would not have occured based on how fast the snow is removed so that is complete conjecture.

It's funny how all we hear is "government is too big, they need to stay out of our business, they waste money, blah, blah, blah, now whe we have a little snow and ice, they expect the government to clear every single road and sidewalk in town.

I don't know where you were driving but I never saw refreezing as a major problem during this storm except on residential streets. When snow is scrapped to the sides of the streets some of it will alway melt and run back out on the streets to refreeze. Of course there were accidents, but as I said, the vast majority were caused by reckless drivers instead of terrible street conditions. I don't enjoy driving on snowy or ice covered road any more than anyone else but I don't think that the snow removal efforts are near the problem that so many seem to dwell on. You have no way of knowing for sure about how many accidents would or would not have occured based on how fast the snow is removed so that is complete conjecture.
Ok fine but what about the rest of my post...............

When many businesses and governmental entities can’t operate for days how many millions does that cost our economy.


This issue reflects poor on our economic development efforts.
Imagine our city/state leaders talking to a major business who was interested in moving to our area why we stay paralyzed for so much longer than a competition did.

This is a quality of life issue that most any outside business would consider not only from a pure business point of view but also for their employees.

They want at least 10 more plows. Clearly they recognize they have a problem but they aren’t thinking outside the box for solutions. The city already owns the trucks and has the needed personnel hired.

http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-adding-more-plows-means-spending-big-bucks-20110207,0,3245669.story
OKLAHOMA CITY -- The department of public works didn't finish its second sweep of snow routes until early Sunday.

With more snowfall coming Wednesday, is Oklahoma City planning on adding more plows to its fleet?

Not anytime soon says Public Works Assistant Director Paul Bronson.

"We'd like to have at least 10 more plows, at a minimum," said Bronson.

But putting even one more plow on the road costs a pretty penny.

Purchasing a new truck and plow costs the city $125,000; hiring two new operators to make sure the plow is on the road all day costs another $88,974.

Grand total to put just one more plow on the road: $213,974.

Bronson says that's not a cost the city is considering.

"It's money. We're in a fiscal year now where last year, as everyone is aware, we had to make significant budget cuts," Bronson said.

Bronson says the city is already "maxed out" on the number of independent plows it contracts. During last week's storm, any independent plows that were interested in helping out were on the road.

Oklahoma City operates 19 plows

"Training" the personal is probably a better term.

Here is the number of 8''+ snowfalls Oklahoma has had from 1951-2001.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/oun/climate/heavysnow/figure4.gif

It's funny how all we hear is "government is too big, they need to stay out of our business, they waste money, blah, blah, blah, now whe we have a little snow and ice, they expect the government to clear every single road and sidewalk in town.

I think it is more interesting when we want to discuss actual figures to see if there is a cost advantage for the city (lost tax revenue vs. cost to expand snow removal fleet) you got very snide and sarcastic and started attacking opposing views. It is okay to just say "sorry, I don't have this information to provide" and back away from the discussion.

Jn - I saw that map a few weeks ago doing some research, it does give a good idea of the occurrence of large snow events. Of course, we have had 3 (today's doesn't count as it wasn't near 8) in the last 2 years. But we also need to look deeper than that because it seems even 4 or 5 inches brings the city to a halt.

I think it is more interesting when we want to discuss actual figures to see if there is a cost advantage for the city (lost tax revenue vs. cost to expand snow removal fleet) you got very snide and sarcastic and started attacking opposing views. It is okay to just say "sorry, I don't have this information to provide" and back away from the discussion.

Jn - I saw that map a few weeks ago doing some research, it does give a good idea of the occurrence of large snow events. Of course, we have had 3 (today's doesn't count as it wasn't near 8) in the last 2 years. But we also need to look deeper than that because it seems even 4 or 5 inches brings the city to a halt.

You know what hey say about opinions---some are bigger than others!

:congrats:
Just a word of thanks & congratulations to the City this time around. The same routes that were passable but not in great shape were cleared and mostly dry within 24 hrs of this latest snow event. Granted we didn't have the ice underneath and not near as much snow as the first time (or what was forecast), but they did a great job. The routes I am comparing are N. Portland, NW Expressway, Hefner Parkway, Memorial.

Good news... City is looking to add more snowplows to their fleet!

Good news... City is looking to add more snowplows to their fleet!

That would be good news.
Where did you see/hear this?
Thanks

You know what hey say about opinions---some are bigger than others!

Opinions are like a**holes... Everyone has them... and yes, "some are bigger than others!"

It may be 100+ outside but we shouldn’t forget about this problem!

Can anyone offer an update about what OKC is doing to purchase more snow removal equipment?

I'm sure the city has already forgot about it. LOL

I'm sure the city has already forgot about it. LOL

Same here. No one was thinking of it until.....

You are Correct, Sir (ou48A, Post #88, above):

Especially Correct, since I was--[PERSONALLY!]--vehicularly-stranded last winter (for three-plus days, at temps down around -3-deg.), due to an apparent lack of Municipal Planning and/or Funding for hiring independent contractors with tractors/box blades (replete with street clearing refund validation vouchers) to clear the humble side streets leading to The Official Snow Routes leading to places where The Flow of Commerce takes place.

I'm not sure . . .

But I think that I heard that the funds designated (more years ago to count) for new snow removal equipment were redirected to providing Pavement Painting and Signage for Bicyclist Safety (and for the upcoming downtown flash mob bubble blowing cleanup).

Well . . . You know the old saying: "Make hay--and buy snow removal equipment--while the sun shines."

(Jim "Hot Pockets" Gaffigan : "Wow . . . That's the biggest a**hole opinion I've [I]ever read . . . " I don't like that at all . . .)