Please do...this is beyond annoying!!!

Seriously? We now blame people’s misbehavior on the sign maker and typeface? Lol. Folks, some people just don’t think rules apply to them. We can make all the excuses we want and deflect responsibilities all we want. Maybe the artist thinks they are so important that they can affect public behavior by shrinking a type face, but that would be a false sense of importance. Some people just fail to obey rules because of their own sense of self importance.

Why defend the city for doing their job improperly?

So, I am starting to think this is a comedy bit. City of OKC is now saying Skydance Bridge is open because the decking material that was delivered is "unacceptable" therefore bridge open until acceptable material is ?found ? Purchased?
They did say they apologize for the frustration.

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Kind had hopes for the concert stage that were would get some semi big acts in here for a concert or two.

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I walked through the park briefly around Thanksgiving. I really wasn't blown away like many have been raving about?

Am i missing something? It's a nice park but it didn't really leave any lasting impressions on me. Maybe it will be better when it's greened up a bit.

Why defend the city for doing their job improperly?
Nowhere was I defending the city. I was pointing out the misplacement of blame for stupid human behavior. To blame a typeface squeeze for trespassing was just silly. Only the designer would assign themselves that much power. This constantly blaming everyone but the perpetrators is a societal thing these days. No body seems to say that the person who does something stupid or wrong is responsible for their own behavior.

I walked through the park briefly around Thanksgiving. I really wasn't blown away like many have been raving about?

Am i missing something? It's a nice park but it didn't really leave any lasting impressions on me. Maybe it will be better when it's greened up a bit.

I've mentioned the same thing....not really blown away by how the park looks presently. But I guess we need to take into account two things: 1. OKC didn't have the 400 million like Tulsa had for their park so there was limited funds. 2. It's still in infancy stage and hopefully it'll fill out with vegetation in a few years and have a completely different feel to it. Fingerscrossed.

It's a good complement to MBG.

Much more open and just a nice place to get out and walk. Really can't be judged for a few more years when the landscape starts to mature.

And when ultimately joined with the lower park and the river, will be much more about recreation than anything else. And that is very much needed in OKC.

It's a good complement to MBG.

Much more open and just a nice place to get out and walk. Really can't be judged for a few more years when the landscape starts to mature.

And when ultimately joined with the lower park and the river, will be much more about recreation than anything else. And that is very much needed in OKC.

Good point about the lower park being included. I never think about how the lower park will be a part. I guess, 'out of sight, out of mind'.

I love The Gathering Place - I went there yesterday, but one thing that Scissortail has over it is location. Not only is it central located but it is right next to the convention center and Omni. Plus one of my favorite beer gardens, Social Capitol is on the west side. I think SC will explode in popularity this summer and spur a lot of new development on the west side. Bright future fo Scissortail.

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Spark opens this spring (north end of the park) and there will be some pretty good-sized concerts on the oval as well.

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Spark opens this spring (north end of the park) and there will be some pretty good-sized concerts on the oval as well.

I'm so amped for this. Any insight into shows? I understand you can't share everything, but even general info like the number of shows anticipated etc. would be interesting.

I'm so amped for this. Any insight into shows? I understand you can't share everything, but even general info like the number of shows anticipated etc. would be interesting.

I have just heard rumors of a few big names coming.

No idea who and what frequency.

Good point about the lower park being included. I never think about how the lower park will be a part. I guess, 'out of sight, out of mind'.

Sadly.... this applies to most anything South of the river.

Sadly.... this applies to most anything South of the river.

lower park is north of the river

@CityofOKC on Twitter now says they can "make the delivered decking material work" so they will close the bridge again. And they again apologize for the frustration.
I am convinced that this is all for some reality show joke content. There's no way that the city is this back and forth on their decisions.

I have just heard rumors of a few big names coming.

No idea who and what frequency.

I was starting to Wonder about this. Seems like there should be some spring or summer concerts lined up

@CityofOKC on Twitter now says they can "make the delivered decking material work" so they will close the bridge again. And they again apologize for the frustration.
I am convinced that this is all for some reality show joke content. There's no way that the city is this back and forth on their decisions.

This concerns me. Are they about to install inferior product to meet a schedule? Was it rejected for color or for other reasons?

This concerns me. Are they about to install inferior product to meet a schedule? Was it rejected for color or for other reasons?

https://twitter.com/cityofokc/status/1236005349821464581?s=20
It's pretty vague.

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Thanks for that picture, Pete. Love & miss being able to see the early-morning springtime stratus shading over the Devon building.

Starting to green up a bit and lots of things now in bloom. Should really be pretty in another month or so.

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How does the 'shelter-in-place' declaration affect parks in OKC? I assume the playground equipment is probably closed and I saw where they closed the dog park. But I assume we can still walk about the park?

How does the 'shelter-in-place' declaration affect parks in OKC? I assume the playground equipment is probably closed and I saw where they closed the dog park. But I assume we can still walk about the park?

Yes, playground equipment has been declared off-limits by the city and in the case of Scissortail, there is actually a lock on the fenced-in play areas.

But otherwise it is encouraged to get out to parks and get some fresh air as long as you keep your distance from others, which of course is normal anyway.

The playgrounds I've seen have all been roped off in some way or another.

Thanks Pete, for the updates and the information you supply to OKC on your site. Greatly, appreciated...

Yes, playground equipment has been declared off-limits by the city and in the case of Scissortail, there is actually a lock on the fenced-in play areas.

But otherwise it is encouraged to get out to parks and get some fresh air as long as you keep your distance from others, which of course is normal anyway.

I encourage anyone who has access to or who knows someone who can make you one to wear a mask when out of your home. There are patterns all over the internet. They don’t have to be N95 masks to give you some degree of protection and protect others if you happen to be an asymptomatic carrier. I’ve talked to several infectious disease doctors who recommend this. Only one family member should go to the grocery store and you should either bring your own reusable bags and fill them with your groceries or make sure your sterilize the handles of your cart. Exercise 6 feet social distancing even in line. Better yet, order your groceries and pick them up of have them delivered.Read about how to deal with your groceries when they arrive or you bring them home. The countries who have tested, quarantined, worn masks and stayed at home unless absolutely necessary have a lower rate of disease. This buys time for new information about treatments to come out, allows companies to manufacture the medical equipment that could save your life and gives companies time to work on vaccines.

I encourage anyone who has access to or who knows someone who can make you one to wear a mask when out of your home. There are patterns all over the internet. They don’t have to be N95 masks to give you some degree of protection and protect others if you happen to be an asymptomatic carrier. I’ve talked to several infectious disease doctors who recommend this. Only one family member should go to the grocery store and you should either bring your own reusable bags and fill them with your groceries or make sure your sterilize the handles of your cart. Exercise 6 feet social distancing even in line. Better yet, order your groceries and pick them up of have them delivered.Read about how to deal with your groceries when they arrive or you bring them home. The countries who have tested, quarantined, worn masks and stayed at home unless absolutely necessary have a lower rate of disease. This buys time for new information about treatments to come out, allows companies to manufacture the medical equipment that could save your life and gives companies time to work on vaccines.

The CDC and WHO (they're finally starting to change their tune) have both totally failed in their you-don't-need-a-mask messaging. N-95 masks and the like need to go to healtchare workers first, but everyone should wear a mask outside and that needs to become the new norm for now and probably the next year. This article explains why everyone should wear masks: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html

I encourage anyone who has access to or who knows someone who can make you one to wear a mask when out of your home. There are patterns all over the internet. They don’t have to be N95 masks to give you some degree of protection and protect others if you happen to be an asymptomatic carrier. I’ve talked to several infectious disease doctors who recommend this. Only one family member should go to the grocery store and you should either bring your own reusable bags and fill them with your groceries or make sure your sterilize the handles of your cart. Exercise 6 feet social distancing even in line. Better yet, order your groceries and pick them up of have them delivered.Read about how to deal with your groceries when they arrive or you bring them home. The countries who have tested, quarantined, worn masks and stayed at home unless absolutely necessary have a lower rate of disease. This buys time for new information about treatments to come out, allows companies to manufacture the medical equipment that could save your life and gives companies time to work on vaccines.

Thanks, betts:

This information needs to be repeated and reinforced in our society. Wouldn't think you could be too overly cautious. We need to keep our guards up.

I encourage anyone who has access to or who knows someone who can make you one to wear a mask when out of your home. There are patterns all over the internet. They don’t have to be N95 masks to give you some degree of protection and protect others if you happen to be an asymptomatic carrier. I’ve talked to several infectious disease doctors who recommend this. Only one family member should go to the grocery store and you should either bring your own reusable bags and fill them with your groceries or make sure your sterilize the handles of your cart. Exercise 6 feet social distancing even in line. Better yet, order your groceries and pick them up of have them delivered.Read about how to deal with your groceries when they arrive or you bring them home. The countries who have tested, quarantined, worn masks and stayed at home unless absolutely necessary have a lower rate of disease. This buys time for new information about treatments to come out, allows companies to manufacture the medical equipment that could save your life and gives companies time to work on vaccines.

Not so fast on bring your own bags. There is a lot of talk out there that right now these are worse for spreading the disease than the single-one time use bags. I'd recommend opting to leave the reusable bags at home right now.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/03/18/states-and-stores-are-banning-reusable-bags-is-it-safe-to-use-them

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After using this park a lot now, I have decided the width of the sidewalks bordering the park on the West and East sides are a failure. Unless you are actually traveling THROUGH the park, the outside sidewalks are not even wide enough for two persons to pass by comfortably, add the aspect with the trees taking up half of the usable space makes it even more annoying. If you have been here, there is tons of people walking pets and riding bikes, this creates so many unnecessary collisions.

After using this park a lot now, I have decided the width of the sidewalks bordering the park on the West and East sides are a failure. Unless you are actually traveling THROUGH the park, the outside sidewalks are not even wide enough for two persons to pass by comfortably, add the aspect with the trees taking up half of the usable space makes it even more annoying. If you have been here, there is tons of people walking pets and riding bikes, this creates so many unnecessary collisions.

I didn't think bikes are allowed on sidewalks.

I also think the designers want people to actually go into the park, not observe from the outside. Isn't that the idea of a park? It isn't just a lawn to look at. Exterior walks just get you to the next entrance path.

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Spring has sprung, that is starting to look nice and green in certain spots.

I bet the owners of Socia Capital are just grinding their teeth.

Weather is near peak between cold and hot and they can't open their doors.

I bet the owners of Socia Capital are just grinding their teeth.

Weather is near peak between cold and hot and they can't open their doors.

IKR. This should be their breakout period. I know I would be a big customer.

Pete, that last photo really emphasizes something I've noted before, that the old barrier to development (elevated I-40) just moved 5 blocks south. With the Convention Center where it is, it looks to me like the next hot development areas would naturally be south and west.... oh wait, the sunken I-40 is now an even bigger barrier. So much for encouraging contiguous development south of that. Anything happening there will not be able to effectively draw from what's happening on the north side.

Pete, that last photo really emphasizes something I've noted before, that the old barrier to development (elevated I-40) just moved 5 blocks south. With the Convention Center where it is, it looks to me like the next hot development areas would naturally be south and west.... oh wait, the sunken I-40 is now an even bigger barrier. So much for encouraging contiguous development south of that. Anything happening there will not be able to effectively draw from what's happening on the north side.

Shields to the east is a big barrier too, along with the RR tracks.

Pete, that last photo really emphasizes something I've noted before, that the old barrier to development (elevated I-40) just moved 5 blocks south. With the Convention Center where it is, it looks to me like the next hot development areas would naturally be south and west.... oh wait, the sunken I-40 is now an even bigger barrier. So much for encouraging contiguous development south of that. Anything happening there will not be able to effectively draw from what's happening on the north side.
I think the sunken is a lot less a barrier than an elevated highway. As soon as any buildings 2 or more stories start building close to both sides of the highway, all you will see are buildings, not a physically imposing barrier. And, if we really have that much demand, a sunken area like it is will be way easier to cover than moving an elevated highway.

I think it will be many many years until the high density growth of downtown starts to be confined by I-40. We have so much develop-able land around downtown, I hardly think barriers are our worst problem. We could grow to 2 million people and still have undeveloped patches in and around downtown.

If you have kids, or are a kid at heart, get to Scissortail Park today to get your Garden in Place kits!

https://scissortailpark.org/garden-in-place/

Pete, that last photo really emphasizes something I've noted before, that the old barrier to development (elevated I-40) just moved 5 blocks south. With the Convention Center where it is, it looks to me like the next hot development areas would naturally be south and west.... oh wait, the sunken I-40 is now an even bigger barrier. So much for encouraging contiguous development south of that. Anything happening there will not be able to effectively draw from what's happening on the north side.

The southern part of sissortail park will not be a draw?

The southern part of sissortail park will not be a draw?

No. The southern part is in a not so savory part if town, especially once the lower part gets finished.

No. The southern part is in a not so savory part if town, especially once the lower part gets finished.

I believe the area between Robinson and Walker and l-40 and the river will be totally transformed because of the lower park.

Is the southern park still on track to start this summer? I personally think the southern part could be cooler than the main park. It’s more intimate and will be connected to the river with a future pier.

Is the southern park still on track to start this summer? I personally think the southern part could be cooler than the main park. It’s more intimate and will be connected to the river with a future pier.

Yes, they will be bidding it out soon.

Yes, they will be bidding it out soon.
Okay thank you for the information.

No. The southern part is in a not so savory part if town, especially once the lower part gets finished.

No, what I meant was it's draw would almost EXCLUSIVELY be from the south and west. No inference about the area at all. The northern part has many more things to draw people north over I-40. What would draw people the opposite way? I'm NOT saying it won't happen, just that I-40, sunken or not, is still a barrier. Maybe lower but still a barrier.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/scissortail042320a.jpg

Oklahoma City...lookin' mighty pretty

Maybe lower but still a barrier.

Some may say it is a sunken barrier. :)

New Google Earth pictures of the park are up.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/scissortail043020a.jpg

Strawberry fields dropping half a dozen residential mid-rises on those lots southwest of the park would make me soooooo happy.

^ One can dream.

Strawberry fields dropping half a dozen residential mid-rises on those lots southwest of the park would make me soooooo happy.

Ditto. Something that may be smart for them to do is have more of a low-rise (See West Village, The Edge, Etc) abutting the park to kick this thing off and then building their mid-high rise behind that. This would give a chance for the market to firm up a little bit and would still give the mid/high rise park views.

What caused them to lay new sod? I was out there yesterday and it is fairly rough in the area.