Being down there just really made me realize how important the old dealership site really is. Developing that block right can be such a game changer.

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I took this picture a couple of weekends ago, and this was by far my favorite view of the park and skyline. I can't wait to see it at night once the Omni and CC are complete. This definitely gave me the "I'm not in OKC anymore" vibe.

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Great shot!

It's hard to imagine how pretty that park will be when it matures ala the Myriad Gardens.

Man, I was thinking about it yesterday while I was wandering around Scissortail Park. A Great Clips would just KILL IT around here. Maybe next door to Social Capital? It really makes sense there too. You don't realize how long your hair has gotten until you get that wind blowing up from the River right at Scissortail Park. Imagine cresting that hill in the park, and seeing a brand new Great Clips. It sells itself.

Took this yesterday afternoon from Social Capital.

I kid you not, there were hundreds of people in the park. I sat on that deck for two hours and there was a constant stream of people; I wouldn't have believed the volume had I not seen it myself.

Hundreds of cars parked on the vacant lots west of the park.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/scissortail101319a.jpg

The more impressive thing to me was that MBG was _also_ completely packed at the same time there was a hefty amount of people at Scissortail.

Man, I was thinking about it yesterday while I was wandering around Scissortail Park. A Great Clips would just KILL IT around here. Maybe next door to Social Capital? It really makes sense there too. You don't realize how long your hair has gotten until you get that wind blowing up from the River right at Scissortail Park. Imagine cresting that hill in the park, and seeing a brand new Great Clips. It sells itself.

Agreed. I couldn't help myself wishing I had a squirt of CBD in my system as well. I really hope we get a nice one story strip (wih plenty of parking!!!!) next to the park that can have these things.

Agreed. I couldn't help myself wishing I had a squirt of CBD in my system as well. I really hope we get a nice one story strip (wih plenty of parking!!!!) next to the park that can have these things.

To class up the joint, without needing a joint.

To class up the joint, without needing a joint.

You know what follows a great haircut and getting one's CBD oil? A great drive through burger. Can we get a new Braum's down here, with plenty of parking and a double drive through. Can I get an amen?

Was at the Park on Saturday at noon - during the OU-Texas game. The playground area was packed with families and children - during the OU-Texas game!! FYI - the pedal boats are a waste of money in the Oklahoma wind, prepare for a great leg workout though!

Press release. Jabee concert on Sat night.

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What: A day full of activity at Scissortail Park on Saturday, October 19, 2019



Schedule:

9am – 1pm Fall Market featuring local made in Oklahoma vendors
Love’s Travel Stops Stage & Great Lawn north side plaza



9am – 2pm Food Trucks including Holey Rollers, HotRodDogs, OhMyGogi, Tasty Snow, Junction Coffee Tiny House
Along Robinson Avenue



9am Boathouse Boot Camp presented by Gold’s Gym
Scissortail Boathouse



10am ScissorTales: Bilingual Story Time
Children’s Play Pavilion



11am – 8pm Pedal Boat Rentals
Scissortail Boathouse



7pm – 10pm Park After Dark FREE Concert featuring Jabee
Love’s Travel Stops Stage & Great Lawn north side plaza

7pm: Special appearance and book signing with Sam Anderson, author of
“Boom Town: The Fantastical Saga of Oklahoma City, Its Chaotic Founding,
Its Apocalyptic Weather, Its Purloined Basketball Team, and the Dream of
Becoming a World-class Metropolis”

7:30pm: OKC Street Dance Scene street dancers with DJ Reaper

8pm: Concert featuring Jabee with Tony Foster Jr. and DJ Reaper



When: Saturday, October 19, 2019



Where: Scissortail Park
300 SW 7th Street
Oklahoma City, OK 73109

ScissorTail Park Calendar of Events (month by month) (https://scissortailpark.org/calendar/)

I got a new 360 video and still camera in. Thought I'd test it out at the Scissortail Park this morning - a bit of a 360 walking tour......

Here's the resulting video. Simply click and drag (or just drag) around the video as it plays to see any angle you want.


https://youtu.be/HiXg0O9d9LQ

Super cool!

Thanks very much for sharing.

Scissortail Park Walk Through Number 2 (360 video)

Drag around the screen to see different views.


https://youtu.be/6NVuXhMknl0

Man, Thanks for doing the walk thru, very much appreciated. The Park is Awesome

Channel 4 had a story tonight, 9 year old boy fell off the spinning disc and broke his arm. Mother claiming it's unsafe. First incident at the park.

Channel 4 had a story tonight, kid fell off the spinning equipment and broke his arm. Mother claiming unsafe. First incident at the park.

I landed on my wrist and broke it after being thrown off a seesaw as a kid in the mid 1980s and never once said the seesaw was unsafe. I played on it in a cast. These pansies nowadays.

I landed on my wrist and broke it after being thrown off a seesaw as a kid in the mid 1980s and never once said the seesaw was unsafe. I played on it in a cast. These pansies nowadays.

Or run to the media and go on TV.

was there this weekend and the giant ball of rope you could climb in was gone and its base was cordoned off with barriers and caution tape. Also saw something else broken with an orange cone over it. also, that merry-go-round like thing, what I presume is being referred to as the spinning thing, is consistently WAY overloaded with kids each weekend. probably more to do with the kid getting hurt.

Channel 4 had a story tonight, 9 year old boy fell off the spinning disc and broke his arm. Mother claiming it's unsafe. First incident at the park.

Lol. I think being a 9 year old boy in general is unsafe.

Hope they have good CCTVs everywhere. It's so easy to get into one of these lawsuits. Literally tripping over a fallen branch has been enough to get some amusement parks in trouble. I'm not sure how the gathering place in Tulsa does it. That place was designed by Germans, and they obviously built it with the expectation that people would be at least somewhat responsible for themselves and not fall off the steep rock staircases and such.

Hope they have good CCTVs everywhere. It's so easy to get into one of these lawsuits. Literally tripping over a fallen branch has been enough to get some amusement parks in trouble. I'm not sure how the gathering place in Tulsa does it. That place was designed by Germans, and they obviously built it with the expectation that people would be at least somewhat responsible for themselves and not fall off the steep rock staircases and such.

As a German I can attest that they likely anticipated people falling off stuff and getting hurt, and they just adopted the same mindset of “that will be an important lesson to them” that we have in Germany.

As a child, I would spend the summer (and many school afternoons) at our local Activspielplatz. It was a big piece of forest with plenty of areas for exploring and playing and had minimal supervision. It also had a ton of lumber laying around all over the place, and you could walk up and check out hammers and nails and a saw and other tools. They would write down what tools I checked out, and then 10 year old me was free to disappear into the woods to build a house. Need more lumber? Just knock down one of the old buildings somebody abandoned. Want to build a two story monstrosity? Knock yourself out! Once a week we could sleep in our “city” we build throughout the week. I had so many cute, hits on the head, and rusty nails through my feet. But it was fun and part of the culture there, I would learn to be safe.

Heck, we had a giant tree in front of my kindergarten where we climbed all the time with nobody caring.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/t-magazine/germany-forest-kindergarten-outdoor-preschool-waldkitas.amp.html

As of 8:30am, the southside live feed found here (https://www.senserasystems.com/public/DowneyContracting/M68776484796) has been taken down. It's been great to see the park during the development from two sides all this time and it's been a great shot of the CBD from the south, especially during dramatic weather.

That sucks

Got out to see the park myself yesterday. The whole area was bustling with people, and it was kind of hard to find parking. I finally snagged a spot on the southwest corner as someone was leaving.

I couldn't help but compare the park to gathering place in Tulsa, even though I know they were built with slightly different goals in mind. Scissortail feels a bit empty in places and spread out, without a lot of star attractions at the moment. It does feel like a really fashionable space to have a music festival in though. The new convention center looming on one side and Social Capital on the other give it a bit of urban engagement, and you can't help but think about what it will be like when more fills in.

It was nice to see the paddle boats heavily utilized. Every boat was constantly in use when I was out there. Gathering place still can't figure that out, despite having a huge boat house...

I feel like the park could probably use more playground equipment. That seems to be what most people were there for. Well, that and the dog park on the other side. Otherwise, it's mostly a lot of open areas at the moment. It will take a couple years at least for some of it to feel like a real park since all the trees and vegetation are still taking root.

I certainly feel that this is a very powerful step forward for OKC, and it is absolutely something that will grow and improve over time. I'm glad they didn't get too ambitious with it and end up wasting a lot of money. This park does what it needs to do, and has a lot of potential to fill in more features as the area grows.

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I've gone through the park the last two weekends and agree with all the complimentary comments above. The kids' space is particularly busy and full of people. They should consider expanding it a bit.

The only negative comment I have is secondary to the park itself. You can hear the loud sounds of vehicles on I-40 all through the park and it really ruins any opportunity for a peaceful time. I wish there were a way to create a sound buffer so it would be quieter.

I've gone through the park the last two weekends and agree with all the complimentary comments above. The kids' space is particularly busy and full of people. They should consider expanding it a bit.

The only negative comment I have is secondary to the park itself. You can hear the loud sounds of vehicles on I-40 all through the park and it really ruins any opportunity for a peaceful time. I wish there were a way to create a sound buffer so it would be quieter.

If I'm remembering correctly, the original plan was to bury that stretch of I-40 about 20 feet below ground level to avoid this, but they were forced to abandon that due to issues with the water table, so it's now only about 5 feet below ground level, which isn't enough to make much of a difference with regards to noise. Unfortunate, but I still think the relocated I-40 is in a much better spot relative to the original I-40.

The city or state should strongly consider capping I-40 between Hudson and Robinson at some point in the future to ease noise levels in the park and also improve walkability between the north and south sections of the park. Personally, I think the lack of an I-40 cap in MAPS 4 is a much bigger missed opportunity than the aquarium. The only thing I can think of is that maybe it's not feasible given that the Robinson overpass and Scissortail Bridge are already in place. Otherwise, however, I really think that this would be a great way to improve what's already a very promising park.

I think just having mature trees will make a good difference with the noise.

If I'm remembering correctly, the original plan was to bury that stretch of I-40 about 20 feet below ground level to avoid this, but they were forced to abandon that due to issues with the water table, so it's now only about 5 feet below ground level, which isn't enough to make much of a difference with regards to noise. Unfortunate, but I still think the relocated I-40 is in a much better spot relative to the original I-40.

The city or state should strongly consider capping I-40 between Hudson and Robinson at some point in the future to ease noise levels in the park and also improve walkability between the north and south sections of the park. Personally, I think the lack of an I-40 cap in MAPS 4 is a much bigger missed opportunity than the aquarium. The only thing I can think of is that maybe it's not feasible given that the Robinson overpass and Scissortail Bridge are already in place. Otherwise, however, I really think that this would be a great way to improve what's already a very promising park.

I thought it was that they were going to go down 16 feet but hit bedrock unexpectedly at 12? IDK, my memory sucks, but sound walls seem cheaper than a cap.

THIS. I was pretty shocked that they didnt bring in mature trees. I know it is rather expensive but it makes such a huge difference.

I thought it was that they were going to go down 16 feet but hit bedrock unexpectedly at 12? IDK, my memory sucks, but sound walls seem cheaper than a cap.

Improved sound walls over what they have right now would probably be fine as well. And really, it's not the end of the world either way. The east side of Lake Hefner is one of the noisiest places in OKC and those parks and trails still get plenty of activity. Just think that if you're going to cap one stretch of highway in OKC, this makes more sense than the Innovation District plan that was floated around for a while before ultimately being scaled down.

Noticed this while walking between the park and the river this morning. Lmao.

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The city needs to nip this in the bud and just buy that parcel. It needs to be part of the park. The lack of forward thinking can be astounding, especially if this lot gets developed and it splits the park in two.

The city tried to buy that lot, but Cusack's tried to extort them.

Noticed this while walking between the park and the river this morning. Lmao.

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Kind of puts the lie to the idea that they have to completely alter their interior layout without this piece of land.

The city needs to nip this in the bud and just buy that parcel. It needs to be part of the park. The lack of forward thinking can be astounding, especially if this lot gets developed and it splits the park in two.

Easy to say when it is not your money (or in this case, your constituents money). OKC tried buying it, as mentioned earlier, and the owner tried to rob the citizens blind. Can't buy what truly does not want to be sold.

The city tried to buy that lot, but Cusack's tried to extort them.

i am aware. at some point you have to pay the price to do things the right way. a braum's here would be a disaster.

$5.6 million is steep for sure, but this is supposed to be a world class park. they werent asking for $200 million. why didnt they pursue eminent domain and have a court decide? similar to U-Haul property, the city is tripping over dollars to pick up a dime. there's a cost to cheaping out.

So maybe some investigation into where Cusaks does business and do some well, placed publicity - "encouraging" Cusaks to be a good corporate citizen or encourage their customers to buy meat elsewhere?

Noticed this while walking between the park and the river this morning. Lmao.

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Personally, I say "good for them!" It's for sale - so if the city wants it, they can pay whatever the market dictates its worth and if Cusack's is good with that price, then they'll sell. If not, it's there's to do with as they please.

Love how if someone doesn't sell something THEY OWN for the price THEY WANT then somehow they are 'extorting' or are bad guys who need to be protested or boycotted. The city knew ago this was going to be an issue and pushed forward with the project. This isn't some sort of necessity for the good people of Oklahoma and it certainly doesn't make Cusack's a 'bad citizen.'

Cusack's has been in that sh*thole of an area for a long time when the city or nobody else wanted to be there. Now that it's desirable, they don't want to pay the rate that comes along with being desirable. Sorry, not sorry.

Personally, I say "good for them!" It's for sale - so if the city wants it, they can pay whatever the market dictates its worth and if Cusack's is good with that price, then they'll sell. If not, it's there's to do with as they please.

Love how if someone doesn't sell something THEY OWN for the price THEY WANT then somehow they are 'extorting' or are bad guys who need to be protested or boycotted. The city knew ago this was going to be an issue and pushed forward with the project. This isn't some sort of necessity for the good people of Oklahoma and it certainly doesn't make Cusack's a 'bad citizen.'

Cusack's has been in that sh*thole of an area for a long time when the city or nobody else wanted to be there. Now that it's desirable, they don't want to pay the rate that comes along with being desirable. Sorry, not sorry.

Charging a highly inflated price, along with that stupid saying on the sign, is exploitation at least, extortion at worst.

Charging a highly inflated price, along with that stupid saying on the sign, is exploitation at least, extortion at worst.

The property is "For Sale." If the city wants to buy it (or someone else buy it and donate it to the city) then they can if they want to pay the OWNER'S price. One of the main motivators to buying property is return on investment. People 'sit' on property for decades and do nothing with it while they simply speculate on how high the value will eventually go. While the price may be way more than it was 20 years ago, that's not a negative of the property owner. If the property owner can get more than the city was willing to pay - why shouldn't he? Why should the owner have to sell to the city at their price? If it was truly infrastructure like a highway or critical utilities, that's one thing. This is a freaking park. I hope the property owner makes a small fortune.

The property is "For Sale." If the city wants to buy it (or someone else buy it and donate it to the city) then they can if they want to pay the OWNER'S price. One of the main motivators to buying property is return on investment. People 'sit' on property for decades and do nothing with it while they simply speculate on how high the value will eventually go. While the price may be way more than it was 20 years ago, that's not a negative of the property owner. If the property owner can get more than the city was willing to pay - why shouldn't he? Why should the owner have to sell to the city at their price? If it was truly infrastructure like a highway or critical utilities, that's one thing. This is a freaking park. I hope the property owner makes a small fortune.

i agree with most of this

however one of cusack's claims was that the lot in question was neccessary for the operation of their building for truck back in ... and with out is they would have to renovate their building and in doing so would have to update a bunch of things that they are currently grandfathers in on and that was why their ask at the ED was going to be so high ..


now that they are marketing this property for sale for parking the previous claim seems like it was untrue? that being the case the city IMHO should refile their ED claims

i agree with most of this

however one of cusack's claims was that the lot in question was neccessary for the operation of their building for truck back in ... and with out is they would have to renovate their building and in doing so would have to update a bunch of things that they are currently grandfathers in on and that was why their ask at the ED was going to be so high ..


now that they are marketing this property for sale for parking the previous claim seems like it was untrue? that being the case the city IMHO should refile their ED claims

No. I get that gripe. I think it was simply their positioning to try and get the city to give in. I don't necessarily like it, but it's not much different than you get from many sales people/positions. I wouldn't say it rises to the level of 'exploitive' or 'extortion.' The city didn't bite, and the price will be the price. If it's reasonable now, then the city should relook at it, but, if they can get a much higher price then they should IMO. But, yeah, I get where that might annoy some - but to me, that's as outraged as I think the matter deserves.

however one of cusack's claims was that the lot in question was neccessary for the operation of their building for truck back in ... and with out is they would have to renovate their building and in doing so would have to update a bunch of things that they are currently grandfathers in on and that was why their ask at the ED was going to be so high ..

now that they are marketing this property for sale for parking the previous claim seems like it was untrue? that being the case the city IMHO should refile their ED claims
This.

however one of cusack's claims was that the lot in question was neccessary for the operation of their building for truck back in ... and with out is they would have to renovate their building and in doing so would have to update a bunch of things that they are currently grandfathers in on and that was why their ask at the ED was going to be so high ..


now that they are marketing this property for sale for parking the previous claim seems like it was untrue? that being the case the city IMHO should refile their ED claims

This is my biggest issue with now seeing this sign. Makes it look like what was said before was a front, and in reality they are a company full of liars.

No. I get that gripe. I think it was simply their positioning to try and get the city to give in. I don't necessarily like it, but it's not much different than you get from many sales people/positions. I wouldn't say it rises to the level of 'exploitive' or 'extortion.' The city didn't bite, and the price will be the price. If it's reasonable now, then the city should relook at it, but, if they can get a much higher price then they should IMO. But, yeah, I get where that might annoy some - but to me, that's as outraged as I think the matter deserves.

then we are in total agreement

Maybe the price they want is big enough to solve problems losing the property causes. Or not.

It's helpful to understand the eminent domain process...

If terms can't be reached amicably, the city can file an eminent domain proceeding and the court then appoints 3 independent commissioners who determine the fair market value. Once that value is established, both sides are obligated.

So, it's not a simple matter of a property owner wanting too much. The city either chooses not to file or pulls out before the commissioners determine the value, which was the case with UHaul.

The only reason the city doesn't file (they've done it dozens of times for Scissortail alone) and/or pulls out once they have filed, is because they realize the established price is going to be higher than they want to pay. It has nothing to do with what a property owner is asking because in the end, all that matters is the fair market price established by the court.

Understand. If any of that is in response to what I posted, I am referring to whatever the price they want now on the open market.

Understand. If any of that is in response to what I posted, I am referring to whatever the price they want now on the open market.

Just meant that info to clarify because property owners get blamed for being greedy but that is not how it works when it come to government agencies who want to take their land.

But I will add to that, owners who have property taken under imminent domain are entitled to fair market value plus just compensation. That includes things like relocation costs.

So if the city took their empty lot at fair market value and the owners had to move, the city could be on the hook for all those costs too.

But I will add to that, owners who have property taken under imminent domain are entitled to fair market value plus just compensation. That includes things like relocation costs.

Right.

The whole idea is the government has to treat property owners fairly, and the court does it best to determine the amount they should be paid.

And to put it another way, when the city doesn't file or pulls out before the value is established, that is an indication they are not willing to pay an owner the fair value for their property. They went through this with REHCO which owns the vacant lots between the Myriad Gardens and Scissortail Park. The city wanted it for the convention center, swore up and down REHCO was being unreasonable, filed eminent domain but then pulled the plug when they realized the court was going to come in with a number close to what was being asked by the owners. Same exactly thing happened with Uhaul.

But if they were insisting they HAD TO move BECAUSE of the acquisition, it would be pretty disingenuous to then sell the subject land and NOT move. It would prove it wasn't really necessary and just done to try to get the city to pay for a relocation that wasn't necessary.

Are they just selling the parking area or their whole facility?

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Or maybe they think they can get enough on the free market to justify whatever changes would be necessary to their facility.

Again, the city could have pressed this issue but they chose not to because they did not want to pay the amount determined by an impartial legal process.

For clarity, is Cusacks trying to sell their entire property or just the space that cuts into the lower park? Do we think Cusack eventually shuts down that entire operation?

For clarity, is Cusacks trying to sell their entire property or just the space that cuts into the lower park? Do we think Cusack eventually shuts down that entire operation?

The sign says 3.2 acres so that would be all their property, not just that empty lot.

Charging a highly inflated price, along with that stupid saying on the sign, is exploitation at least, extortion at worst.

Yeah saying that a company is extorting the city because the city can't force them to sell their property for what they city thinks it's worth is just stupid. They own it, it's private property and despite what anyone else wants them to do with it...it's not anyone elses decision to make for them. I wish they would sell too but to act like they owe anything to anyone is just ignorant and selfish.

Yeah saying that a company is extorting the city because the city can't force them to sell their property for what they city thinks it's worth is just stupid. They own it, it's private property and despite what anyone else wants them to do with it...it's not anyone elses decision to make for them. I wish they would sell too but to act like they owe anything to anyone is just ignorant and selfish.

I am just saying that the city shouldn't buy it just because. If they get a fair deal, sure. If not, screw it. No sense paying more than the city feels it's worth.