Yes

This whole project makes me wonder now. With the hotels going up on Meridian, it makes me think this project isn't going to replace that corridor anytime soon.

I wish we'd improve that corridor some more and run a bus from the airport on more frequent head ways... Straight up meridian, then express service down I-40 downtown.

Just heard from a neighbor that the rumor is a Wal-Mart is going in on the one of the corners of I-44 & SW 104th. Wouldn't think it would be the NW corner [airport land]. SE corner is currently Valero & Earlywine Golf Course. NE corner is undeveloped, or SW corner is the old cafe, now demolished.

Anyone hear anything about a Wal-Mart there? Several years ago we heard a Wal-Mart was going in at SW 134th & I-44, but was put on hold/plan abandoned? when the recession hit.

I'm not sure why they'd put a Walmart there. There is one on 240, and one down the road in Newcastle. I don't feel like there is enough room over there unless they are doing it on the airport land off of the new Portland.

That location for a Walmart would present an interesting challenge to what I would suspect to be Crest's flagship store. Walmart would have to have a really high opinion of themselves for that, I would think.

Learned a bit more as to the Walmart rumor: supposedly on NE corner. Don't know if it would be a supercenter or not. And, yes, Newcastle is very close...but perhaps they would close it to have a larger store? According to Cleveland County records, the NE parcel is approx. 90 acres. And, no, Crest would not be happy about a supercenter; Neighborhood Market wouldn't bother Crest, as NM have higher prices than SC.

The other part of the 'rumor' is apts. going in, instead of Walmart.

There is a neighborhood market 3 miles away at 104 and western

There is a neighborhood market 3 miles away at 104 and western

Yeah I'd buy into it being a SC before a neighborhood market. I mean a SC is not out of the question IMO, it just seems to be a little over-saturated. Although the 240 Walmart is a bit dated, and I know most of us that live in this area go to the Newcastle, Moore or Mustang Walmart depending on where exactly we live. This area is kind of in the middle of those 3 without being super close to any of them, so it's a possibility.

The land is still listed for sale. It is 90.50 acres and is 11.8 million. Small change for Walmart. Although there is a Walmart SC at 240 and also one on 19th street....they are always packed. No one in my family including my parents who live near the 240 store will go to them. We drive to Newcastle. There is a big population growth and a lot of homes in this area so I could see a supercenter going here. A new Target would be much better though. The link to property is CBRE, Inc. - NE Corner of SW 104th & Interstate 44, Retail (land), SW 104th Street & Interstate 44, Oklahoma City, OK (http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/Looplink/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=17818236&STID=CB0003&LL=true).

I don't think a SC will hurt the Crest. SC carries a limited amount of brands and the meat selection is horrible.

The land is still listed for sale. It is 90.50 acres and is 11.8 million. Small change for Walmart. Although there is a Walmart SC at 240 and also one on 19th street....they are always packed. No one in my family including my parents who live near the 240 store will go to them. We drive to Newcastle. There is a big population growth and a lot of homes in this area so I could see a supercenter going here. A new Target would be much better though. The link to property is CBRE, Inc. - NE Corner of SW 104th & Interstate 44, Retail (land), SW 104th Street & Interstate 44, Oklahoma City, OK (http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/Looplink/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=17818236&STID=CB0003&LL=true).

I don't think a SC will hurt the Crest. SC carries a limited amount of brands and the meat selection is horrible.

Lol, exactly what I just said. But I do agree with the sentiment that a super Target would be better. I actually think I remember see some speculation long ago about a super Target there.

OKC has enough Walmart stores. I'm hoping for a Target there myself.

There is dirt work going on on the SE corner of 74th and Portland. Anyone know what's going on?

Have kept an eye on this parcel... Looks to me like it is a staging area for the Portland Ave relocation.

That location for a Walmart would present an interesting challenge to what I would suspect to be Crest's flagship store. Walmart would have to have a really high opinion of themselves for that, I would think.

That is probably the point. In OKC in particular, Wal-Mart has driven out nearly all of the competing grocery stores. I am sure they are frightened by Crest's expansion and want to put out the fire before it gets too big.


I'm not sure why they'd put a Walmart there. There is one on 240, and one down the road in Newcastle. I don't feel like there is enough room over there unless they are doing it on the airport land off of the new Portland.

This is Oklahoma City.

I don't think a SC will hurt the Crest. SC carries a limited amount of brands and the meat selection is horrible.

I really don't think most people care though. It's cheaper at Wal-Mart so they go there.

We wonder why OKC can never seem to get a decent retail development like other places get. EVERYTHING has to be anchored by a Wal-Mart. I guess I just had higher hopes that this development would end up being SOMETHING other than another Wal-Mart shopping center.

Have kept an eye on this parcel... Looks to me like it is a staging area for the Portland Ave relocation.

I think you're right. I hadn't been by there in a while, but when I went by today they had made a lot of progress on the realignment.

Yeah I'd buy into it being a SC before a neighborhood market. I mean a SC is not out of the question IMO, it just seems to be a little over-saturated. Although the 240 Walmart is a bit dated, and I know most of us that live in this area go to the Newcastle, Moore or Mustang Walmart depending on where exactly we live. This area is kind of in the middle of those 3 without being super close to any of them, so it's a possibility.

Wal-Mart's strategy in OKC is to saturate themselves so that nothing else can compete. I am sure this Supercenter is being built in hopes of pushing out Crest.

I hope it's not another Walmart Supercenter, If it has to be Walmart I'd rather it be a NM. Like I said I'd much rather have a Target over there. A Super Target would be even better.

FWIW, the WM rumors have been out there for 10+ years. I doubt if anything is going to happen anytime soon.

Wal-Mart's strategy in OKC is to saturate themselves so that nothing else can compete. I am sure this Supercenter is being built in hopes of pushing out Crest.

Don't say is as if it's already set in stone that a WM will be built here. I pray they don't build another Supercenter here or there or anywhere else in the OKC metro.

Wal-Mart's strategy in OKC is to saturate themselves so that nothing else can compete. I am sure this Supercenter is being built in hopes of pushing out Crest.

Building a second Wal-Mart in Stillwater several years ago has, so far, worked to keep Target out.

Building a second Wal-Mart in Stillwater several years ago has, so far, worked to keep Target out.

Makes sense. Wal-Mart kept Target out of Ft. Smith for decades by saturating the area with Supercenters. Eventually Target came in but not without a fight.

In OKC, the last thing Wal-Mart wants is a strong, competing grocery chain to get established. Right now, they almost have a monopoly on the grocery stores but see Crest as a real threat.

That is probably the point. In OKC in particular, Wal-Mart has driven out nearly all of the competing grocery stores. I am sure they are frightened by Crest's expansion and want to put out the fire before it gets too big.

This is Oklahoma City.

I really don't think most people care though. It's cheaper at Wal-Mart so they go there.

We wonder why OKC can never seem to get a decent retail development like other places get. EVERYTHING has to be anchored by a Wal-Mart. I guess I just had higher hopes that this development would end up being SOMETHING other than another Wal-Mart shopping center.

Wal-Mart's strategy in OKC is to saturate themselves so that nothing else can compete. I am sure this Supercenter is being built in hopes of pushing out Crest.
Makes sense. Wal-Mart kept Target out of Ft. Smith for decades by saturating the area with Supercenters. Eventually Target came in but not without a fight.

In OKC, the last thing Wal-Mart wants is a strong, competing grocery chain to get established. Right now, they almost have a monopoly on the grocery stores but see Crest as a real threat.

Do you have an anti-Walmart/end-of-days sandwich board suit replete with a tin-foil hat? Is there a twelve-step program for anti-Walmart obsession? Walmart is subject to the free market, as well, and if other stores can't compete with Walmart, they deserve to go under. As for myself, I can't imagine Walmart succeeding there, in either SC form or NM form.

Do you have an anti-Walmart/end-of-days sandwich board suit replete with a tin-foil hat? Is there a twelve-step program for anti-Walmart obsession? Walmart is subject to the free market, as well, and if other stores can't compete with Walmart, they deserve to go under. As for myself, I can't imagine Walmart succeeding there, in either SC form or NM form.

Actually we used to have trust-busting anti-monopoly laws in this country... Walmart is precisely OKC's problem, but any movement against WM should be careful not to ostracize the infamous "people of Walmart" lest they come for you...

WalMart couldn't care less about Crest. They do impact their OKC sales SOME, but when was the last time you went to a WalMart that wasn't overflowing with people? In a multi-billion dollar company, Crest is a small-fry and only a minimal annoyance.

OKC is far from being unique in having a competing local chain as well. Public, H-E-B, Piggy Wiggly, the list goes on and on. Even Homeland has an impact here with what little they do. It's just not anything WalMart loses the least bit of sleep over.

Crest has shown they can directly compete though. Look at Norman. The largest Crest ever built is gong in from the ground-up (which is the first time since the Edmond Store) right down the street from a Super Center.

And if you think the 240 WalMart is "dated", i'd like to see what you think of the Norman/Moore/Bell Isle/etc stores since those are even older.

Actually we used to have trust-busting anti-monopoly laws in this country... Walmart is precisely OKC's problem, but any movement against WM should be careful not to ostracize the infamous "people of Walmart" lest they come for you...

Walmart is no where near a monopoly in OKC or anywhere. Nor is Walmart OKC's problem. The problem is that Walmart was and is courted by the municipalities and given breaks (that you can bet Crest or any other potential competitor) to build in the right city limits. Then the potential competitors assume the world hates Walmart (after all, have you ever seen a "people of Crest" website / train wreck?) and fails to compete with them believing no one will shop there when their so-called loyal customers can spend their purchasing dollars with a store they're already familiar with and know.

WalMart couldn't care less about Crest. They do impact their OKC sales SOME, but when was the last time you went to a WalMart that wasn't overflowing with people? In a multi-billion dollar company, Crest is a small-fry and only a minimal annoyance.

OKC is far from being unique in having a competing local chain as well. Public, H-E-B, Piggy Wiggly, the list goes on and on. Even Homeland has an impact here with what little they do. It's just not anything WalMart loses the least bit of sleep over.

Crest has shown they can directly compete though. Look at Norman. The largest Crest ever built is gong in from the ground-up (which is the first time since the Edmond Store) right down the street from a Super Center.

And if you think the 240 WalMart is "dated", i'd like to see what you think of the Norman/Moore/Bell Isle/etc stores since those are even older.

I know the Moore one has been updated with their new paint scheme and logo. 240 still is blue with the old logo.

The largest Crest ever built is gong in from the ground-up (which is the first time since the Edmond Store) right down the street from a Super Center.


The S May location was ground-up and much larger than the Edmond location.

I know the Moore one has been updated with their new paint scheme and logo. 240 still is blue with the old logo.

So paint and a logo make the place different? WalMart repaints their buidlings every 10 years....they sem to change logos about that often as well. Not sure how that makes any different in the building though.

So paint and a logo make the place different? WalMart repaints their buidlings every 10 years....they sem to change logos about that often as well. Not sure how that makes any different in the building though.

Absolutely, in the same regards that updating your house allows it to retain value. The point that I think was missed is that Walmart puts money back into those "older" stores that are in better locations. Unfortunately for the 240 location it hasn't been very well maintained.

I've noticed they have really started doing some work at 104th and Portland. This intersection is a big cluster right now. I hope this means this project is finally getting underway.

Portland is closed from 74th to 104th; looks like the re-alignment has begun. Any idea how long that's going to last?

Portland is closed from 74th to 104th; looks like the re-alignment has begun. Any idea how long that's going to last?

I'm pretty sure Portland has been closed to 104th for a very long time.

I'm pretty sure Portland has been closed to 104th for a very long time.

I don't think it's been that long; I go along that stretch of Portland fairly frequently when spotting aircraft and first saw it closed on Thursday. When did the closure begin?

The closure occurred within the last couple of weeks. I think I drove all the way to 104th on Portland within the last two weeks.

It was closed south of 104th for a couple of months while redoing the waterline up from new tower

With all the equipment and everything I thought it had been closed for over 2 years.

Portland is closed from 74th to 104th; looks like the re-alignment has begun. Any idea how long that's going to last?

The realignment has started a year or two ago. Hey are just now getting into the final stages for the south project (74th to 104th). North project is running behind, has not really gotten underway yet. Different contractor.

The closure from 74th to 104th is about 45 days from when it closed. So should be back open in July.

Anybody have a good link for the PDF at the top? That link is broken...

Any updates on this? Is it still happening?

Any updates on this? Is it still happening?

It is happening but it is not like they are funding the construction of the buildings so will start any day, they are marketing the land to developers, even if successful it will be several years if not decades before it could even be finished.

I mean look how long it took to re-do the utilities and re align Portland. I feel like this development isn't going to happen in my lifetime.

And look how long it's taking to build that police station (vs how long it's taking to build police HQ downtown).

And look how long it's taking to build that police station (vs how long it's taking to build police HQ downtown).

Proximity to daily oversight = faster projects? Hmmm.

I thought the briefing station on sw54th was done a month or so ago? I got the monthly letter in my water bill talking about the new divisions.

I drive by it most days and it doesn't seemed finished to me. The parking lot was only recently done.

I just looked at the actual plans for this on their website and I forgot how awesome this will be! An urban, mixed-use development with new aviation buildings which could really boost the economy in that field here.

Really hope this happens as planned.

Would be nice.

They have today begun to install the traffic lights on Portland Ave and SW104th Street.

I did find this timeline

• Phase 1 (2010-2019): Initial development should focus on the north zone,
shown in Figure 14, to capitalize on the presence of existing utilities and
tenants. Projects for this phase include the construction of Road R1 and the
partial construction of R2, located west of Road R1 between 74th and 89th
Streets. Additional roadway projects include improvements to 74th Street
and 89th Street between I-44 and Road R1, and construction of R5, which
would provide access to parcels located along Taxiway H. A utilities
corridor would be constructed along Roads R1, R2 and R5. This corridor
would include water, gas, electric, telephone, fiber optic and sewer lines.
The new utilities corridor would be connected to existing utilities at 59th
street or via a connection to the corridor along Portland Avenue at 74th
Street. Phase 1 projects also include the extension of Taxiway G east across
Portland Avenue to provide airfield access to parcels 4-N and 5-N.

• Phase 2 (2020-2029): This phase includes the construction of the remaining
segment of Road R2 and the associated utilities corridor. Taxiway H2 would
potentially be extended across Portland Avenue to provide airfield access to
parcels 4-C and 6-C if the tenants for these parcels required airfield access;
and Road R6 would be built to provide landside access to parcel 5-C.
• Phase 3 (21-30 years): No projects are anticipated in phase 3.

• Phase 4 (2040-2049): No projects are anticipated in phase 4.

http://www.flyokc.com/projects/10May26-Strategic%20Development%20Program-%20final.pdf

They have today begun to install the traffic lights on Portland Ave and SW104th Street.
You mentioned back I noticed that the way they are designing Portland won't be friendly to urban development but the road can be readjusted to be more pedestrian oriented once the development starts.

No reason to have a low speed road when there is nothing out there. I think once it gets going they can lower the speed to 30 or so and place a round-a-bout and that should help.

They have today begun to install the traffic lights on Portland Ave and SW104th Street.

Wait, so there is going to be a stop light, stop sign, go under the bridge, then another stop sign?

Wait, so there is going to be a stop light, stop sign, go under the bridge, then another stop sign?

Unless they move the off ramp to Portland Ave. (Which I don't think is in the plans)

Unless they move the off ramp to Portland Ave. (Which I don't think is in the plans)

Ridiculous. There isn't even traffic on Portland right now, and realistically for the near future.

Ridiculous. There isn't even traffic on Portland right now, and realistically for the near future.

A lot of people avoid it right now due to the condition between 89th and 104th. Back when that area was decent a lot of traffic queued up waiting to turn left onto 104th. It will be a wider and smoother road so it's good to have the lights probably. I usually go home via I-44 from 54th to 104th but used to use Portland until the huge potholes took over. When Portland reopened I imagine I'll use it as well as many others.

proximity to daily oversight = faster projects? Hmmm.

p180.

p180.

Touche

It looks like the infrastructure for this project is starting to wrap up. The area is still blocked off with road block signs but streets and sidewalks are in, and street lighting is close to being installed as well.

It will be interesting to see how quickly that the commercial and retail takes off next year. Huge potential for this development and it's SW-OKC location.

I kind of have a feeling retail will be about as slow as the rest of this project has been.

I think this infrastructure was probably a difficult task considering the location and the getting it set up for the aggressive future plans. I hope it doesn't take as long for development to start.
This area seems like such a prime spot to capture the SW-Okc retail tax revenue that is being lost to Moore and even Norman.