"Lariat Landing" is the name of the east development. I've heard that this project is about to get underway. And from what I am hearing this is going to be very very nice. It may be the best planned large development seen in Okc.

Add this together with the "Envision 240" and a "Meridian Business Improvement District".

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When is Portland supposed to be finished? I didn't think this would start until Portland was redone.

Portland will be done in 2013.

"Lariat Landing" is the name of the east development. I've heard that this project is about to get underway. And from what I am hearing this is going to be very very nice. It may be the best planned large development seen in Okc.

Add this together with the "Envision 240" and a "Meridian Business Improvement District".

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From the description given there it really sounds like it's going to marketed more toward industrial development.

Anyone have any updates on this. I moved into this area about a year ago and have really been hoping for something like this too happen. Right now where I'm situated I go to Mustang for as much as I can, then to Moore for the rest. Would be nice if there were maybe some restaurants over that away. I noticed they got a lot of dirt work done, but not much else.

As I have mentioned in a couple of other threads, I went to a Chamber breakfast this morning where Mark Kranenburg gave a short talk. He is the director of airports for OKC. In mentioning this project, for better or worse, he likened it to the University North Park development in Norman. He gave no specifics about anyone locating here, just general information about the kind of diverse development they are proposing.

It would be nice if they brought the Drive-In back. Missed dialog all the time with aircraft landing. Good times.

It would be nice if they brought the Drive-In back. Missed dialog all the time with aircraft landing. Good times.

The old drive-in isn't airport property so I doubt they will be doing that.

I'd like to see Target put a store out there.

As I have mentioned in a couple of other threads, I went to a Chamber breakfast this morning where Mark Kranenburg gave a short talk. He is the director of airports for OKC. In mentioning this project, for better or worse, he likened it to the University North Park development in Norman. He gave no specifics about anyone locating here, just general information about the kind of diverse development they are proposing.


Appreciate the response. Please let us know if you ever hear any specifics. I know a lot of people in my subdivision as well as the others down 104th could benefit from retail and restaurants put out there.

... for better or worse, he likened it to the University North Park development in Norman. ..

Oh, goodie. Just what the metro needs. Yet another pile of EFIS chock full of mattress peddlers, fast food, and folks relocating from their current locations. Yea.

Oh, goodie. Just what the metro needs. Yet another pile of EFIS chock full of mattress peddlers, fast food, and folks relocating from their current locations. Yea.

This development will accomplish a completely different purpose and yield a completely different result than the University North Park development. This won't steal resources from local retail and dining because the deep south side of Oklahoma City is desperately under-served in mid-to-high level retail and dining in the first place. The city is losing south side tax dollars from these high-wage earners to Moore, Norman, and Mustang. This development, if done well, will bring the development synergy and dollars back within the city limits, which, in the long run, will benefit the downtown core. These people won't go downtown to do this kind of shopping, anyway. Better to keep the money within the city toward a typical suburban development than to lose it to another municipality all together.

This development will accomplish a completely different purpose and yield a completely different result than the University North Park development. This won't steal resources from local retail and dining because the deep south side of Oklahoma City is desperately under-served in mid-to-high level retail and dining in the first place. The city is losing south side tax dollars from these high-wage earners to Moore, Norman, and Mustang. This development, if done well, will bring the development synergy and dollars back within the city limits, which, in the long run, will benefit the downtown core. These people won't go downtown to do this kind of shopping, anyway. Better to keep the money within the city toward a typical suburban development than to lose it to another municipality all together.

I agree. I've lived in Mustang for the better part of 15 years. I've since moved to southwest OKC south of the airport, and was blown away at the lack of anything in that area. Sure there is stuff off of 240 and a bit further south, but really I'd rather shop in Moore or Mustang. This is how all my neighbors are too. We'd much rather use our tax dollars in our city. God knows property taxes are high enough where I live, I'd like to see some improvement in retail and even some of the roads around here.

The gas station on 104th is demo'd.

The gas station on 104th is demo'd.

I saw that this past weekend. There were a bunch of old crappy trucks digging through the wreckage when I drove by lol.

The word from the owner of the Valero across the highway is some type of convenience store will be built there. However, it is still a month after the last post and the demo debris is still sitting there.

Yeah it doesn't seem as though they have gotten in a hurry getting it built.

That's what I was thinking. And don't give me any lame crap about "the economy" or whatever, because it's just not an excuse here...and really anywhere now. But I sort of feel like this was a project that blew a lot of smoke, but never really had any plans to actually move ahead. We can't even get the city to get Portland completed in any reasonable amount of time.

Seems like a lot of the construction lately has been slow going.

That's what I was thinking. And don't give me any lame crap about "the economy" or whatever, because it's just not an excuse here...and really anywhere now. But I sort of feel like this was a project that blew a lot of smoke, but never really had any plans to actually move ahead. We can't even get the city to get Portland completed in any reasonable amount of time.

Whoa there! Lame crap about the economy? Sorry you are so dismissive about major forces that have serious implications for everything you do. May want to brush up on your economics there.

What i mean, is how so many developers would slow down or hault projects in Oklahoma, with that as the excuse. Even though we had the strongest economny in the country through all that mess. So here, it's a load of bull. Not to mention that things have been on an upswing for quite some time. Inflation has been kept to MINUTE levels, unemployement is high, but is lower than it has been in quite some time, sales reports are up, home prices are going back up, etc. So yeah, i'd say it's a bunch of bull to claim that at this point.

What i mean, is how so many developers would slow down or hault projects in Oklahoma, with that as the excuse. Even though we had the strongest economny in the country through all that mess. So here, it's a load of bull. Not to mention that things have been on an upswing for quite some time. Inflation has been kept to MINUTE levels, unemployement is high, but is lower than it has been in quite some time, sales reports are up, home prices are going back up, etc. So yeah, i'd say it's a bunch of bull to claim that at this point.

Unfortunately the national economy plays a role in financing local projects....

Except that was my point, the national economy is better than it has been in years!

When the national economy begins to decline as it did in 2007-2008 the first thing that happens is that the lending requirements begin to tighten. At first maybe its more "national credit" tenants and more signed leases for longer terms. Eventually it gets to where the loan to value is less which requires more capital on the part of the developer. Then the smaller national credit tenants begin to drop out. That, in turn, requires a change in the anchor leases because usually there is one or more co-tenancy provisions. That, in turn, leads to lower rent demands by those who remain and that, in turn, makes the cash capital requirement even greater.

At some point either everyone drops out or the capital requirement versus the return from declining rents makes the project unfeasible.

They were clearing off the demo debris today at 104 and i44 today. Got about half of it gone. Hopefully rest will be gone tomorrow

Drove by the other day and still looks to be a bunch of debris there. Seems like they aren't in a hurry.

Lariat Landing
http://www.greateroklahomacity.com/clientuploads/images/lariatlandinglogo.jpg

Ok, well there's a good overview of this project here:

Greater Oklahoma City Economic Development - Land At Will - 2,000 Acres of Prime Developable Land (http://www.greateroklahomacity.com/index.php?submenu=landatwill&src=gendocs&ref=LandAtWill&category=Properties)

http://www.greateroklahomacity.com/clientuploads/images/lariat_landing_postcard_11-11c-2.jpg

http://www.greateroklahomacity.com/clientuploads/images/aerialcomp2.jpg

This is a really huge project.

Seems like it ought to have its own thread. I know -- this thread is already that thread. But I mean, an official one called "Lariat Landing" with the synopsis at the top and the various renderings/maps in a gallery. You know what I mean...

There is construction starting on the SW corner of 54th and Portland. Anyone know what it's going to be?

There is construction starting on the SW corner of 54th and Portland. Anyone know what it's going to be?

Police Substation with eventual helipad and helicopter hangar.

That's a pretty good place for the helicopter operations.

I heard a lunch meeting a few weeks ago on the radio that included a quick briefing on this. Sounds like they are on schedule, it's just a slow schedule.

Anyone know what's going in on portland and 104th? Looks like a water tower.

There's an article here by Brian Brus of the Journal Record:

http://www.naisullivangroup.com/OKNews/I-240corridorplansrevealed.pdf

This refers to the corridor spanning from Lariat Landing on the west, to the new Crossroad Mall (Plaza Mayor) on the east, with Envision 240 covering all the in between.

Quotes about Lariat Landing:



Lariat Landing is a joint effort between the Oklahoma City Department of Airports
and the Oklahoma City Airport Trust. The redevelopment space, which lies between
SW 104th and SW 54th streets along a realigned S. Portland Avenue, has been designated
for multi-industry development, Kranenburg said.

It will support the airport’s core business of operating a first-class transportation
facility by serving as a transition zone to the interstate. Kranenburg revealed the
Lariat Landing marketing brand Wednesday.

“Our goals are to generate non-airline revenues which will be used to offset airline
charges, thereby promoting air service,” he said. “We want to enhance the strength and
stability of the airport and the region.”

Because the land belongs to the airport, all development will have to be lease-based,
he said, although those contracts could stretch as long as 40 years at a time.

Anyone know what's going in on portland and 104th? Looks like a water tower.

Looked up the permit, it's a water storage tank with a booster station. Area is big enough for 3 more future tanks.

Here's the mother lode of info from flyokc.com:

http://www.flyokc.com/projects/10May26-Strategic%20Development%20Program-%20final.pdf

Appears to be geared largely towards (potential) developers. I'm sure there's some real nuggets in there, but at 255 pages, it's a bear to work through.

Ok, I've been watching Mark Kranenburg's (Director of Oklahoma City Airports) presentation on Lariat Landing at the 2013 Mayor's Development Roundtable
(full video here: The 2013 Oklahoma City Mayor's Development Roundtable - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESB7yfFapw))

I was hoping to find his slides at flyokc.com, but I'm unable to. So I went ahead and grabbed them from the video.
I'll place them here for others that might be interested in this.

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/vm14lg2jljf1cif/lariat_01.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/l11clyky8h6vx94/lariat_02.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/yfeq0sygk0turih/lariat_03.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/t5agepr9jlo01yx/lariat_04.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/hkux9xqopmr8fgx/lariat_05.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/dhmzv6639ewjzov/lariat_06.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/io21hcgit1iyyr8/lariat_07.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/oe6j13v7g1yudg8/lariat_08.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/2q4n66og6hz9iqu/lariat_09.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/nrrgu3q1jekhok3/lariat_10.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/ahbybfcmh2gb56u/lariat_11.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/79h03k04iq2kj15/lariat_12.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/fqz77crrn1b76h6/lariat_13.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/vo5q9icc004ld4f/lariat_14.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/l2x68gwt0h8d709/lariat_15.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/duzlz7x8f6xvksw/lariat_16.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/vhdz2q06azr8ild/lariat_17.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/dyfbvvg2lp5wb48/lariat_18.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/6a31bdfpa49x31c/lariat_19.jpg

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http://dl.dropbox.com/s/rlrzsdpvledvink/lariat_20.jpg

Thanks for posting that up.

The 'Retail Village' thing got my interest. Though the whole project is pretty fascinating. This area is going to take many years to develop and fill up.

I contacted the city about Portland Ave. Will be a 4 lane 45mph street. No sidewalks or pedestrian infrastructure provided. All pedestrian infrastructure will be built as buildings are built. So...You will have your Chili's with a sidewalk, then a 75 foot gap of no sidewalk until your next pad development of a McDonald's.

They say they want urban development but I believe it is lip service and I will believe it when I see it. This is going to be another UNP, without the sidewalks.

I contacted the city about Portland Ave. Will be a 4 lane 45mph street. No sidewalks or pedestrian infrastructure provided. All pedestrian infrastructure will be built as buildings are built. So...You will have your Chili's with a sidewalk, then a 75 foot gap of no sidewalk until your next pad development of a McDonald's.

They say they want urban development but I believe it is lip service and I will believe it when I see it. This is going to be another UNP, without the sidewalks.

That really sucks. :(

Maybe the person you contacted was mistaken? Or maybe this is not yet set in stone? I hope that it's developed in a smarter manner than that.

My Email was circulated through a few offices and I assume I received a "finalized" reply.

I contacted the city about Portland Ave. Will be a 4 lane 45mph street. No sidewalks or pedestrian infrastructure provided. All pedestrian infrastructure will be built as buildings are built. So...You will have your Chili's with a sidewalk, then a 75 foot gap of no sidewalk until your next pad development of a McDonald's.

They say they want urban development but I believe it is lip service and I will believe it when I see it. This is going to be another UNP, without the sidewalks.

I laughed and wondered if that slide was suppose to be in a different presentation when I first saw it because nothing up to that point seemed like they were going that direction and a lot of things stated prior indicated they were wanting the standard destination shopping center.

In all of the meetings I have attended the ongoing theme pushed by OCAT has been a urban development.

Once again, I do not have high hopes for this project.

It's not new news that it's not an urban masterplan. In what universe does discussion of including a home improvement store (Home Depot) part of an urban design? Not to mention the fact that the runway side will, by its very nature, be spacious and not walkable. The I-44 side will simply be another swath of shopping centers with a "center" area. It will be more like Norman's University Center than anything. Mixed-use...nah. Remember that masterplans are more often than not, NOT what gets built. Just like C2S, it will be totally dependant on what the developers decide they want to build....not what the airport authority thinks they want there.

As for sidewalks, they also aren't a surprise. If you put them in at first, each one of those developers that come in, are going to rip them out and/or block them off during consutruction. So you'd be asking the airport to put money in for sidewalks (no one is going to use) and then have it be wasted as they are torn back out. Again, it's not a surprise...it's normal business. Doing it this way, the airport can save quite a bit of money (sidewalks dont cost a little $5 a foot or anything).

I'm not sure why people are getting all panties-twisted here. It's all been out in the open from day 1.

Obviously you have not been involved with this.

From day 1, the airport has seeked (or at least have stated) they wanted the shopping district to be an urban mixed use development district.

The hangars and airside facilities are a separate phase. The retail section was to be urban design.

It's not new news that it's not an urban masterplan. In what universe does discussion of including a home improvement store (Home Depot) part of an urban design? Not to mention the fact that the runway side will, by its very nature, be spacious and not walkable. The I-44 side will simply be another swath of shopping centers with a "center" area. It will be more like Norman's University Center than anything. Mixed-use...nah. Remember that masterplans are more often than not, NOT what gets built. Just like C2S, it will be totally dependant on what the developers decide they want to build....not what the airport authority thinks they want there.

As for sidewalks, they also aren't a surprise. If you put them in at first, each one of those developers that come in, are going to rip them out and/or block them off during consutruction. So you'd be asking the airport to put money in for sidewalks (no one is going to use) and then have it be wasted as they are torn back out. Again, it's not a surprise...it's normal business. Doing it this way, the airport can save quite a bit of money (sidewalks dont cost a little $5 a foot or anything).

I'm not sure why people are getting all panties-twisted here. It's all been out in the open from day 1.I think this development looks pretty nice

Obviously you have not been involved with this.

From day 1, the airport has seeked (or at least have stated) they wanted the shopping district to be an urban mixed use development district.

The hangars and airside facilities are a separate phase. The retail section was to be urban design.

You know they've had masterplans available for about a year now right? The proposed images, are just those...images. So far, there are no surprises from what the original plan was....which is not what some folks here have tried to make it out to be.

Now don't take me wrong....just like Plutonic Panda, i think the thing looks very nice. I'm not dissapointed in it at all. I'm just keeping some practicality in focus on it. Remember, this is not an overnight project either. So exepect it to take several years....again, just as the airport folks said it would. So far, things are right on track for their timeline. And their timeline is the one that matters here....not ours.

You know they've had masterplans available for about a year now right? The proposed images, are just those...images. So far, there are no surprises from what the original plan was....which is not what some folks here have tried to make it out to be.

Now don't take me wrong....just like Plutonic Panda, i think the thing looks very nice. I'm not dissapointed in it at all. I'm just keeping some practicality in focus on it. Remember, this is not an overnight project either. So exepect it to take several years....again, just as the airport folks said it would. So far, things are right on track for their timeline. And their timeline is the one that matters here....not ours.

Yes I am aware of that. And the words out of the airport trust and Mark Lranenburg's mouth has been their desire for a mixed use urban shopping center for the retail area.

No one is talking about an urban runway or urban hangars as those do not really exist in reality anywhere for obvious reasons.

So since reading comprehension is difficult for you I will say it again, the airport trust's (the acting developer) desire is for an urban, walkable retail component.

A source has told me the gas station project is now on hold.

The old gas station on 104th and I-44/Portland was bought and razed and the developer wanted to build a new large gas station in it's place. However due to the site size, parking requirements, and layout the project isn't feasible in it's current form.

A source has told me the gas station project is now on hold.

The old gas station on 104th and I-44/Portland was bought and razed and the developer wanted to build a new large gas station in it's place. However due to the site size, parking requirements, and layout the project isn't feasible in it's current form.

So are they going to build anything or just leave it in it's current state, which unfortunately is worse than it was.

So are they going to build anything or just leave it in it's current state, which unfortunately is worse than it was.

As far as I know everything on the site is on hold until the developer figures out what they want to do.

As far as I know everything on the site is on hold until the developer figures out what they want to do.

I think it's in a good location for a gas station. Might not be able to do something huge like an Oncue or Domino, but still would get some use once the development north of it takes off.

wow cath22, angry much? I've seen the same rednerings you have. And the SMALL portion of the development that they consider mixed use, does not make up enough of the overall development to call the thing urban. And again, the authority "wants" to....does not equal to what will develop. That's why it's a masterplan. Maybe you could pull the pissy pill out your butt too....sheesh.

I think it's in a good location for a gas station. Might not be able to do something huge like an Oncue or Domino, but still would get some use once the development north of it takes off.

I was hopeful we would see something go up soon.

The developer should at least, out of respect for the city, clean up his demolition mess. Talk about an eyesore...a huge pile of debris.

Really tells you what kind of developer bought the property if they can't even clean up their mess when they find out they can't build what they wanted. They should have surveyed the site before buying and drawn up some basic dimensions to see if what they wanted would fit.

I was hopeful we would see something go up soon.

The developer should at least, out of respect for the city, clean up his demolition mess. Talk about an eyesore...a huge pile of debris.

Really tells you what kind of developer bought the property if they can't even clean up their mess when they find out they can't build what they wanted. They should have surveyed the site before buying and drawn up some basic dimensions to see if what they wanted would fit.

I 100% agree. It's obvious their planning was poor. I wondered if they don't clean it up soon if there is a way to make a complaint about getting it at least cleaned up. I would think if they aren't going to do anything and want to sell it, that they would at least want to present it as clean as possible. Who knows, some people just don't care.

There is dirt work going on on the SE corner of 74th and Portland. Anyone know what's going on?

They have been doing work on Portland for awhile now. They've been prepping for development by upgrading utilities. They are building a booster station South of 104th on Portland.

The work on Portland is a water line that will connect Lake Draper to Lake Overholser. They have started the realignment of Portland between 104th and 54th. The dirt work I was talking about is for some type of construction. There is a lot of equipment out there.

I haven't seen any building permits, or any approvals from the airport trust for any projects in that area.

The work on Portland is a water line that will connect Lake Draper to Lake Overholser. They have started the realignment of Portland between 104th and 54th. The dirt work I was talking about is for some type of construction. There is a lot of equipment out there.

Is that true of the pipes they've been installing on the north side of SW 54th, too?