Oh ok, even better...sounds good to me

There was probably a better way to approach it but I suspect there was some anamosity around the earlier delay, delay, dead comment. Anyhow, there is the reason for the price difference and we all learned something. I for one love the fact that this new building will expand the skyline without skipping over empty blocks that then have to go back and be filled in later.

By way of comparison, the Hampton Inn project in BT was $20 million; so this new venture will be more than double that budget.

thank you for the info J. Pitman can't wait to see this come out of the ground

LOL, his info is definitely better than mine, which was a couple of months old. June then. Either way we're looking forward to it down here.

The fact that all parties involved did very well on the Hampton deal makes this project more solid than most. There are plenty of other shaky projects downtown to obsess on; this isn't one of them.

This thread has me very amused. Here's a primer on development - construction, while certainly a major part of any project's cost - is not the total sum. Do not underestimate how much architects and engineers get paid, how much it costs for demolition and clearance of the site, furnishings and finish-out, and oh, certainly not a minor item in Bricktown - land cost. Financing is also a fun item to calculate - especially in today's market (no, construction financing for hotels are NOT easy in 2012). One can not sum up the cost of any development with just the construction bid alone.
I see nothing stopping this development from moving forward. Now, as for the Embassy Suites in the nearby OHC - yeah, that, from all appearances, is "on hold." Feel free to still lose your interest in this project!

The fact that all parties involved did very well on the Hampton deal makes this project more solid than most. There are plenty of other shaky projects downtown to obsess on; this isn't one of them.

That's the thing. This is essentially a continuation of development pursuits that Pitman has already been involved in, and already had success with. Whereas the OHC hotel proposal certainly has credible developers behind, it's just that they lack the prior experience of an OHC hotel. So by comparison, I know which project I'm going to hone in on.

And MDot, I'm actually a really nice guy. Seriously!

And MDot, I'm actually a really nice guy. Seriously!

We believe you...really....just very opinionated sometimes and a little aggressive...but really nice. :-)

Spartan, you're a bad, bad man. Didn't bother contacting me at all for a cup of coffee during your vacation back home.

And MDot, I'm actually a really nice guy. Seriously!

I honestly believe you. No joke. LOL

I honestly believe you. No joke. LOL

I'm not convinced yet. I need more evidence.

More surveyors on site this morning.

I noticed a couple last week too.. It's good to see some sort of activity going on.

I've forgotten where this is going to be. Could someone refresh my memory? Thanks.

By the Bricktown Ballpark.... Right next to the other hotel.

I've forgotten where this is going to be. Could someone refresh my memory? Thanks.

See page 1, post 1 for a pic.

This is going to be two stories taller then the current hotel correct?

This is going to be two stories taller then the current hotel correct?

yes

I am actually really excited about this. Been overlooked a lot on this site i think

...Been overlooked a lot on this site i think
Due entirely to location. If this were happening anywhere in downtown other than Bricktown the posts would border on obsessive.

We were plenty obsessed when I first sniffed this out, only having to take down the information at the request of the property owners, as it was too premature.

We also found sample construction drawings, created all types of graphics showing location and approximate size then followed the whole thing through the design, redesign and approval process. We've also had people associated with the development post here several times.

The only reason this has gone cold is because there is absolutely zero new information, as they have been busy trying to nail down their finances.

Once a building permit is issued or the first shovel of dirt is turned, there will be plenty of interest.


By the way, the Hampton Inn project was followed with tremendous interest and enthusiasm.

I do think there is a slight negative slant towards Bricktown on the part of several posters here, though. And while it's understandable IMO most of it is too harsh and doesn't give proper credence to what is and has happened there.

It's been 45 days since last update. Any news?

Last update this project will not start until June, see post #410...

I was by the location this morning and nothing is new, except for a nice four way stop at the corner of Sheridan and Carter/Perry. I'm not sure when this was added but the stop signs along Sheridan have solar powered flashing lights surrounding the sign. This should be nice addition for pedestrians, since that is what we are going for in Bricktown.

Thankgod. That was one of the most annoying intersections if you were travelling north or south on Carter/Perry. Have they installed lights or sidewalks along that street in Deep Deuce yet also?

Thankgod. That was one of the most annoying intersections if you were travelling north or south on Carter/Perry. Have they installed lights or sidewalks along that street in Deep Deuce yet also?

Lol, your joking right, lights & sidewalks. Come on now, slow down with the expectations. Okc needs to concentrate on park makeovers named after people that don't want to be named.

To answer your question, No there are not sidewalks or lighting. None that I have seen, as of this morning.

Thankgod. That was one of the most annoying intersections if you were travelling north or south on Carter/Perry. Have they installed lights or sidewalks along that street in Deep Deuce yet also?

Agree about how annoying that intersection is/was, and dangerous too if you were going in a north or south direction. I was just thinking that they need a stoplight there because of all the traffic coming into Bricktown from the east. Of course, if they remove the Harrison exit that may no longer happen. But, I was thinking the same about sidewalks yesterday when I was there. I'm thinking there won't be sidewalks until that area is developed. I'm not a whiz like Pete with determining who owns what, but I suspect the land on the southwest corner of Carter and Main sold within the last year, as there was a for sale sign and now its gone. Maybe someone will develope it soon and we'll get sidewalks on that side of the street, at least. If I lived at the Hill, I would find the lack of sidewalks really irritating

The developers of The Hill may find it beneficial offering to build the sidewalks themselves. As you said I'm not sure who owns this area and if that is something a developer could offer up or not.

Wow! Glad to hear they finally made that intersection a 4-way. Incredibly dangerous. The problem is that about 50% of the people approaching from either direction already thought it was one. If you were travelling on Joe Carter it was frustrating having to frantically wave off people stopping without a sign on Sheridan. You might never get through the intersection because it those people would back up traffic. And if you were on Sheridan, you might randomly have someone on the cross street incorrectly assume you were stopping and pull out in front of you at the last second. It MUST have had one of the highest accident rates in the city.

There was a long line of traffic backed up there this morning, from Carter-Perry going east to Lincoln. Drivers did not look happy with this new stop for their morning commute.

Good. Maybe they'll stop hurtling down Sheridan at 45 MPH. Bonus!

I was by the location this morning and nothing is new, except for a nice four way stop at the corner of Sheridan and Carter/Perry. I'm not sure when this was added but the stop signs along Sheridan have solar powered flashing lights surrounding the sign. This should be nice addition for pedestrians, since that is what we are going for in Bricktown.

Are you sure this is not just temporary for the road work?

Are you sure this is not just temporary for the road work?

The signs are cemented into the sidewalk with concrete all around. There is road work, but that is probably only a coincidence. I would think that the signs are temporary until there is a stop light with pedestrian crosswalk indicators, at this intersection. Especially once there are two new hotels at this corner, get ready for much more pedestrians on the east end of Sheridan.

Big news.... $26 million building permit issued today for this project. Should be breaking ground very soon, as all design approval was approved some time ago.

Flintco is the contractor.

11 stories, 179,927 square feet.

Awesome news! Where exactly will it be located?

Click on the article tab above for the address and map.

It's directly east of the Hampton Inn on Sheridan.

Thanks so much, Pete. As recently as 2 days ago, I've been wondering if this project would get done when I drove through Bricktown.

They had said all along they were looking at a June ground-breaking and now that looks very likely.

Very good to see this moving forward.

Original estimates placed construction costs at about $46M, Petes entry indicated a permit for $26M. Does this mean an inferior product construction material and design wise?

No, the $46M includes land, furniture and equipment.

I don't think the total number has changed. And they have to build what was approved by the Bricktown Design Committee.

Looks like this will have to do as our second "skyscraper" for a while, too.. so there will be a lot of eyes on this project, or at least until more significant projects regain some of the spotlight.

11 stories in Bricktown ain't to shabby.

11 stories anywhere downtown is good!

Just as important, we need the construction momentum to keep going.

Several projects will be winding down just as this one really starts in earnest.

It's always good to keep that development pipeline somewhat full, as a break in the action -- and the resulting perceptions -- can have cascading effects.

11 stories is just as significant as many other convention hotels around the country..like Dallas and Houston. Obviously this hotel won't be near as nice as those, but I'm still not sure this project has yet gotten the attention it is due given its magnitude. I think this stands right behind Devon as our #2 project, for now..

This is a very good project, and nothing to scoff at. However, it in no way compares to the Omni built in Dallas as a convention center hotel. First, the Omni is 22 stories, not 11, and right at 4 times the number of rooms -1100. It is a full service hotel with a high rating. It has large meeting rooms, ball rooms, presidential suites etc. so, let's not delude ourselves...a Hilton Gardens is what it is. It is great for Bricktown, but not in the same class as the others. Now, the Houston Hilton is 11 stories, I think, but about 1200 rooms and full service. Quite stylish design, as well.

And your point?


11 stories is just as significant as many other convention hotels around the country..like Dallas and Houston. Obviously this hotel won't be near as nice as those, but I'm still not sure this project has yet gotten the attention it is due given its magnitude. I think this stands right behind Devon as our #2 project, for now..

Read: Hilton Garden Inn and Homewood Suites

This is a very good project, and nothing to scoff at. However, it in no way compares to the Omni built in Dallas as a convention center hotel. First, the Omni is 22 stories, not 11, and right at 4 times the number of rooms -1100. It is a full service hotel with a high rating. It has large meeting rooms, ball rooms, presidential suites etc. so, let's not delude ourselves...a Hilton Gardens is what it is. It is great for Bricktown, but not in the same class as the others. Now, the Houston Hilton is 11 stories, I think, but about 1200 rooms and full service. Quite stylish design, as well.

We can't compare OKC and Dallas/Houston. They have to much money, people, resources. Now if we want to compare us to the new Fort Worth downtown omni hotel that's another thing.

Getting Aloft and Hilton Garden in downtown/bricktown is an amazing feat for where we were as a city 10 years ago. Plus looking into left center field from the brick will be a great view to.

Anyone good at photoshop want to take a stab at putting the new hotel in these pics? Will be a great view - a mini Camden yards.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7093/6865304710_6658451cb5_c.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6234/6300003750_7cc60d2afb_b.jpg

We can't compare OKC and Dallas/Houston. They have to much money, people, resources. Now if we want to compare us to the new Fort Worth downtown omni hotel that's another thing.


That is a skyscraper, much taller, much different scale than an 11-story hotel tower.

They had said all along they were looking at a June ground-breaking and now that looks very likely.

When in June?

They've already received their building permit so I would expect them to start moving dirt any time now.

If everything is a go, I'm sure they are waiting for the Finals to end.

I believe they have received design approval to demolish these small buildings between the corner and the Hampton Inn but I haven't yet seen demo permits issued (these were taken today by Urban Pioneer):


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/pitman1.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/pitman2.jpg

Pete, scale of 1 to 10, chances this hotel gets built?

Pete, scale of 1 to 10, chances this hotel gets built?

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Been two weeks, any updates?

Drove by Sunday and it looked exactly the same as the photos above

Drove by Sunday and it looked exactly the same as the photos above

I'll be concerned if you say the same thing 2 or 3 weeks from now.