I really hope one day people will push Christmas decorations and celebrations until AFTER thanksgiving but it is apparently too much to ask it be pushed back to after Halloween. I saw stores in AUGUST(!!!!!) like Lowe’s and Hobby Lobby packed with Christmas items.

It’s kind of hard to get into to holiday spirit when it is celebrated for half of the year lol

I really hope one day people will push Christmas decorations and celebrations until AFTER thanksgiving but it is apparently too much to ask it be pushed back to after Halloween. I saw stores in AUGUST(!!!!!) like Lowe’s and Hobby Lobby packed with Christmas items.

It’s kind of hard to get into to holiday spirit when it is celebrated for half of the year lol

With them stocking Christmas stuff so early, it makes it harder for us who want to wait until after Thanksgiving to buy season decorations and what not. It is near impossible to find simple things like stockings, ornaments, wreaths, and even Christmas Trees if you wait until after Thanksgiving.

I had to go to the Apple Store today and at 1:30PM on a Friday, that place was completely packed, with cars circling looking for spots.

Lines at every one of the food places and just tons of people in there.

"christmas season" i guess

I had to go to the Apple Store today and at 1:30PM on a Friday, that place was completely packed, with cars circling looking for spots.

Lines at every one of the food places and just tons of people in there.

When do people work?? I am stuck in my office until 4:45 today...

When do people work?? I am stuck in my office until 4:45 today...

No kidding.

I felt guilty for being there myself but there was just a huge crowd. This mall seems to be doing very well.

Shooting incident going on at the mall right now. Only heard about one victim so far, so hopefully it isn't a mass shooting event.

https://kfor.com/2019/12/19/police-respond-to-reports-of-shots-fired-at-penn-square-mall/

I live near the mall and can hear and see a police helicopter.

Reminds me of the ghetto birds in L.A.!

From KOCO's article: Oklahoma Highway Patrol said the I-44 eastbound and westbound off ramps to Northwest Expressway will be shut down until further notice.

Seems I'm going the long way around today.

I'll bet dollars to donuts this was one person in an altercation with one other person.

I'll bet dollars to donuts this was one person in an altercation with one other person.

I don't know, those Nichols Hills gangs roll deep.

A witness was just interviewed on TV who said, "From now on I'm doing all my shopping on Amazon".

You can almost hear the Simon Mall owners screaming.

Also, very little violent crime is random. In most cases, the parties know each other.

Or, at the very least, they get into some sort of altercation then things escalate.

For years, I worked in an area considered among the worst in Los Angeles, and that's saying something. I was always very respectful to everyone and only one time did I sense some really bad energy; I was waiting in a bank and I could hear guys behind me starting to hassle over something. I just left, thinking that I would return at another time, and later saw on the news there had been a shooting outside in the parking lot.

If you are smart and respectful to people, you almost never have anything to worry about. The minute you start 'standing up for yourself' you are at the mercy of someone who likely has much less to lose than you do.

Somebody cuts you off in traffic or is rude in a bar or store? Just let it go and move forward with your life. Absolutely nothing good can come from confrontation.

Police just said it was an argument then fight between two men at Footlocker, and that one shot the other in the chest and is now in critical condition.

They are systematically going store to store and clearing the stores, as most businesses pulled down their gates and employees and customers sheltered in the back of the stores; mainly storage rooms.

Police spokesman said they can't confirm if the shooter is still in the mall.

Mall will reopen tomorrow at 8AM.

NW Expressway between Penn and I-44 is shut down, so there is a traffic nightmare right now.

They just showed video of a couple of guys absolutely brawling inside the Foot Locker.

Good grief, what could possibly happen where you couldn't just walk away instead of getting into a full-on fistfight (and then much worse) at a bloody shoe store??

There are just too many people out there who don't value their own lives and it's always best to never square off with anyone.

They just showed video of a couple of guys absolutely brawling inside the Foot Locker.

Good grief, what could possibly happen where you couldn't just walk away instead of getting into a full-on fistfight (and then much worse) at a bloody shoe store??

There are just too many people out there who don't value their own lives and it's always best to never square off with anyone.

Well said. Nothing in that mall, that store, is worth losing your life over or going to prison for.

They just showed video of a couple of guys absolutely brawling inside the Foot Locker.

Good grief, what could possibly happen where you couldn't just walk away instead of getting into a full-on fistfight (and then much worse) at a bloody shoe store??

There are just too many people out there who don't value their own lives and it's always best to never square off with anyone.

A guy in grey sweat pants, red underwear pulled up and no shirt arguing in a foot locker with someone?

After all that, they determined the suspect had left the mall not long after the shooting, then he ultimately turned himself into the police.

Good grief, a huge part of the city goes into lockdown and hundreds of police and firemen spend half a day... Over a fight in the Foot Locker.

Also sounds like the shooting victim is going to be okay.

I was in the mall at the time of the shooting and people certainly went into a panic. To me, it was obvious that the shooting was due to an altercation and not an "active shooter" situation simply by how few shots were fired, however, in today's climate, it's not surprising that folks assumed so. People were trampling over one another to reach the exit in the store I was in. Strange experience.

Hard to believe that just that caused so much havoc yesterday evening. The commute, even several miles away, was a nightmare. It really snarled up the northwest side.

Hard to believe that just that caused so much havoc yesterday evening. The commute, even several miles away, was a nightmare. It really snarled up the northwest side.
I think a gunshot in any public place will cause a similar reaction for quite some time now. Mass shootings are so commonplace these days that folks will immediately assume that is what is happening.

Hard to believe that just that caused so much havoc yesterday evening. The commute, even several miles away, was a nightmare. It really snarled up the northwest side.
I was on my way home northbound on I44. About 10th two police cars going at least 90 on the left shoulder flew by. At about 23rd a police SUV did the same. Never seen that before.

Glad to hear the guy turned himself in. Best case scenario.

The issue here is accessibility. Penn Square Mall serves a majority of the Oklahoma City population & suburbs. Most people from Norman/Moore/Midwest City/Del City area go to Penn Square for extensive mall shopping. Yea Sooner Fashion is ok, but only has so many stores. The outlet mall is out west and serves mostly west OKC and Yukon. Quail serves north OKC and Edmond area. So you have an influx of shoppers that go to Penn for shopping which can cause overcrowding & issues like the one Wednesday afternoon are more likely to happen.

The shutdown of Crossroads Mall left a big hole of mall accessibility, as that mall served south OKC, Moore, & Norman.

I live nearby and that mall is always packed. During the day, night, Christmastime or not.

It's also 100% full and when a store goes out, they quickly slot in a new, quality tenant. They've maxed out their outparcels with the Container Store, Whiskey Cake and Cheesecake Factory.

It has to be one of the more consistently stable malls anywhere.

I went to PS about 10:15 the morning after the shooting. Foot Locker was the only store closed as they were still micro-cleaining. Got the gift cards I needed from 4 stores and was done in an hour. Only Williams-Sonoma had a line for checkout.

The issue here is accessibility. Penn Square Mall serves a majority of the Oklahoma City population & suburbs. Most people from Norman/Moore/Midwest City/Del City area go to Penn Square for extensive mall shopping. Yea Sooner Fashion is ok, but only has so many stores. The outlet mall is out west and serves mostly west OKC and Yukon. Quail serves north OKC and Edmond area. So you have an influx of shoppers that go to Penn for shopping which can cause overcrowding & issues like the one Wednesday afternoon are more likely to happen.

The shutdown of Crossroads Mall left a big hole of mall accessibility, as that mall served south OKC, Moore, & Norman.

I agree about Penn always busy and a great location. But don’t sell short the Town Center Plaza in MWC. Its a nice layout and huge draw for East county.

Made sure to go by today as a show of solidarity, seemed to be plenty of people in the mall for last minute shopping.

Made sure to go by today as a show of solidarity, seemed to be plenty of people in the mall for last minute shopping.

Almost to that end, you couldn't pick a better time other than never for this to happen. People are obviously concerned about terrorism/mass shootings...but they're American and nothing is more American than buying crap, and doing so en masse the week before Christmas. No way would people let that affect them from going. If this happens in March, it probably has a more detrimental effect on the mall.

Almost to that end, you couldn't pick a better time other than never for this to happen. People are obviously concerned about terrorism/mass shootings...but they're American and nothing is more American than buying crap, and doing so en masse the week before Christmas. No way would people let that affect them from going. If this happens in March, it probably has a more detrimental effect on the mall.

George Carlin? Is that you?

George Carlin? Is that you?

I laughed a Cat off my lap because of that. Wouldn't be so bad if they didn't go to claws out, four paw traction. The traffic is too bad for me to tolerate at PS.. I zip up the Turnpike to QS.

https://twitter.com/mireya_g/status/1218716117591633920?s=20

Telling you, that mall is ghetto

They must still be looking for the shooting suspect, as I can hear the helicopters outside my window.

Does Simon Properties use metal detectors at any of their other malls around the country? Does anyone? Or would it be considered too frightening to shoppers?

https://twitter.com/mireya_g/status/1218716117591633920?s=20

Telling you, that mall is ghetto

Lol. No, it is not.

Whoops. Double post.


So I'll leave you with this.


No, it is not.

Does Simon Properties use metal detectors at any of their other malls around the country? Does anyone? Or would it be considered too frightening to shoppers?

Too many entrances. Who staffs all of them? And what are they allowed to search? I think having more security is the better way to go.

If black people scare you, I guess it might be a “ghetto” mall.

At least I’m guessing that that’s the factor, because the mall isn’t being called “dangerous”, or “violent”, or “risky”.

Has the old standby of calling something “inner city” or “urban” been forgotten before skipping to “ghetto”?

I think the label has more to do with people shooting guns at other people in the mall than the color of anyone's skin.

I think the label has more to do with people shooting guns at other people in the mall than the color of anyone's skin.

Appreciate you pointing that out.

We can look back 15 years ago at Crossroads Mall on the southside, that would be considered a dangerous mall. Not only did it have shootings, but there was also fights, gang activity, and shoplifting. Penn Square is far from what Crossroads Mall was.

Penn Square will need to beef up security and hire more security guards and undercover to patrol areas to prevent shootings. If there was security near the Foot Locker shooting, that fight and shooting could been de-escalated by security.

And i mean good security, I have seen some of the "security guards" and Penn Square and let me tell you my 16 year old daughter can probably take them down. They just don't need to hire people who can pass a background check and blow a whistle. They may need to contract out an private cleet certified security company.

https://twitter.com/mireya_g/status/1218716117591633920?s=20

Telling you, that mall is ghetto

Yeah, right. Lol.

We can look back 15 years ago at Crossroads Mall on the southside, that would be considered a dangerous mall. Not only did it have shootings, but there was also fights, gang activity, and shoplifting. Penn Square is far from what Crossroads Mall was.

Penn Square will need to beef up security and hire more security guards and undercover to patrol areas to prevent shootings. If there was security near the Foot Locker shooting, that fight and shooting could been de-escalated by security.

Didn't l read the shooter in the first shooting was wearing sweat pants with no shirt? Then is trying to claim self-defense? If true, it seems like a shirtless guy walking into the mall at any time, but especially on a cold winter evening should have attracted immediate security interest.

Didn't l read the shooter in the first shooting was wearing sweat pants with no shirt? Then is trying to claim self-defense? If true, it seems like a shirtless guy walking into the mall at any time, but especially on a cold winter evening should have attracted immediate security interest.

I think his shirt was pulled off during the altercation.

Didn't l read the shooter in the first shooting was wearing sweat pants with no shirt? Then is trying to claim self-defense? If true, it seems like a shirtless guy walking into the mall at any time, but especially on a cold winter evening should have attracted immediate security interest.

The suspect's (Elizha Sanders) shirt was ripped off in the scrum with around four other guys. He continued to shoot the victim as he tried to crawl away, and has been charged with assault & battery w/ a deadly weapon. Other charges may be filed.

Yeah, right. Lol.

My mistake, there needs to be at least 2 shootings a month before a mall is considered ghetto.

Careful, your redneck is showing...

It is weird that the shooting happened again exactly a month later on the almost same date which is last month on 12-19 and yesterday

https://twitter.com/mireya_g/status/1218716117591633920?s=20

Telling you, that mall is ghetto
We all know what you are trying to imply and you can take that protectionist crap elsewhere. If people with different skin color frightens you.... stay away. The people who frequent there and on this site are more enlightened and intelligent than to buy into this hate stuff.

My mistake, there needs to be at least 2 shootings a month before a mall is considered ghetto.

So does it take at least 2 posts a month like this to confirm someone is racist?

My mistake, there needs to be at least 2 shootings a month before a mall is considered ghetto.

Just another troll .......

So does it take at least 2 posts a month like this to confirm someone is racist?

Serious question, Is pointing out that every recent shooting at penn square has been committed by a black male racist? It certainly is not generally considered racist to say that most mass shootings have been carried out by teenage and young adult white males that are often said to be loners. The bigger question is...why does that situation keep occurring at Penn Square?

No, the mall isn’t ghetto by any means, but large crowds of teenagers or young adults of any color at malls are usually where incidents like this occur so no one should be judged for saying that large crowds like that make them nervous there...especially when two shootings have occurred there within a month of each other.

I agree that this is more an issue of bad luck and bad timing timing than anything else. Penn Square Mall is absolutely not "ghetto" but it's possible it may develop that reputation due to these events.

Do we know if this started inside The Footlocker as well?

Has Penn Square Mall released a plan to address the issue? If they do not release a plan it could hurt business and if they are to heavy handed it could hurt business.

Edit: I quoted someone by mistake.

I found the answer to my own question at the link below. Penn Square has not released a plan yet.

https://www.news9.com/story/41582158/police-investigate-after-shots-fired-at-penn-square-mall

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