CDI Contractors applied for $8.1 million building permit, per the Oklahoman:

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-building-permits-from-the-oklahoman-for-march-18-2017/article/5541635

Looking at their website, they do renos for Dillard's Stores. could both stores be getting a facelift?

I checked into this and the amount was a typo.

It was only to remodel the Mac cosmetic area for $81K.

JC Penney isn't what it once was. Big box retailers have been chipping away at their customer base i.e. middle class families for a long time. I am personally glad Penn Square is taking this hit over QSM as I am confident that Penn will easily be able to find another anchor as successful as the mall is.

I'm sure Von Maur is kicking themselves hard for going in at QSM if this happens.

I'm sure Von Maur is kicking themselves hard for going in at QSM if this happens.

That was a decision I'm not sure I'll ever understand.

I'm sure Von Maur is kicking themselves hard for going in at QSM if this happens.

Well they did get a generous subsidy from OKC, so they had a lot less risk going in to Quail, or anywhere for that matter.

I think I finally figured out why Quail looks so run down to me. That food court is just hideous. The food choices aren't terrible, but it just looks so old and run down, and it's the center of the entire mall. If they could renovate it, and then snag maybe one more new-to-market retailer, like Zara, I think they'd actually be a decent shopping option.

I've never heard of Zara until I started working in Saudi and again discovered them when I moved to the Philippines. It's the place I frequent now, and think it would be great if they ever came to OKC.

I'm sure Von Maur is kicking themselves hard for going in at QSM if this happens.

I do think Von Maur would have been a better fit for Penn Square as opposed to Quail Springs. Hopefully QSM can right the ship because right now, it's exactly the kind of mall that those who follow the retail industry are worried about. Penn Square has enough exclusive, high-end stores that it should be alright. Mid-tier malls that are centered around last decade's teen fads (think American Eagle, Hollister, Aeropostale) are in trouble. H&M being at QSM is a huge get for them. If JC Penney closes, it would be great to see a Nordstrom go into PSM. I know it's probably a longshot for OKC, but other markets this size have full Nordstroms. If the company is healthy and they are expanding, it might be a great opportunity for them.

If JC Penney closes, it would be great to see a Nordstrom go into PSM. I know it's probably a longshot for OKC, but other markets this size have full Nordstroms. If the company is healthy and they are expanding, it might be a great opportunity for them.

Not so much. Would be great, but only three new Nordstroms scheduled to open anywhere now through 2019 - Toronto, Norwalk, CT, and Manhattan (http://shop.nordstrom.com/c/future-store-openings), and we're not close to those demographics.

Did Art of Shaving close or are they just repairing/remodeling? I walked by there the other day and the signage was down.

Did Art of Shaving close or are they just repairing/remodeling? I walked by there the other day and the signage was down.

They have been closed since Penn Square had the flooding.

So has Gap and the Lego store incidentally (unless they re-opened since I've been there two weeks ago)

Penn Square mall is still recovering from that massive water leak. I notice almost every escalator is having some kind of issue or shut down. It also looks like the two escalators near Macy's are being yanked out and replaced which is no simple task.

Gap store is still closed. The Art of Shaving just gave up and left by the look of things. The sign has been completely removed.

I wonder what the delay is, you'd think they'd have insurance settled by now

Someone getting stabbed in the food court during a fight is not good for Penn Square mall. Hopefully this is one time and does not happen again incident.

http://newsok.com/man-stabbed-in-fight-at-penn-square-mall/article/5569351

Someone getting stabbed in the food court during a fight is not good for Penn Square mall. Hopefully this is one time and does not happen again incident.

http://newsok.com/man-stabbed-in-fight-at-penn-square-mall/article/5569351

I agree. It doesn't take much to cause a mall to be perceived as dangerous and for foot traffic to take a nosedive. The 2006 shooting jump-started Crossroads' decline. It would have probably died by this point anyways, but it would have lasted a little longer, perhaps to 2015 or so, if it had not been for the 2006 shooting and giving the mall a violent perception.

I've ALREADY heard the "Look like this is the new Crossroads" line at least three times. After this and after some stores still not having come back after The Great Flood, PSM better hire a good PR team.

You guys and your constant negativity. Northlake Center in Dallas had stabbings last year around thanksgiving, and you didn't see people there wondering what would happen. Penn Square is fine. There are crazy people everywhere. It isn't isolated to OKC or Penn Square Mall.

Its far from the first time something has happened at Penn. But its hardly going to cause a mass exodus from it either. Comparing to Crossroads isn't even close to a good comparison either....for a million reasons. Location/Socioeconomics of the area/Store makeup/etc...on and on.

After this news broke yesterday, a woman told me her husband doesn't want her going to Penn Square Mall anymore because of how bad things have gotten. I thought, "WTF? Are you serious?"

After this news broke yesterday, a woman told me her husband doesn't want her going to Penn Square Mall anymore because of how bad things have gotten. I thought, "WTF? Are you serious?"

Don't tell her how many people have been stabbed in Bricktown or around Thunder games....

Don't tell her how many people have been stabbed in Bricktown or around Thunder games....

No kidding!

Sounds like we need to cancel the Penn Square Thunder Alley festivities now... :-\

Last time I was there, there were some kids singing and dancing, something about once you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way. I thought they were just New York fans.

You guys and your constant negativity. Northlake Center in Dallas had stabbings last year around thanksgiving, and you didn't see people there wondering what would happen. Penn Square is fine. There are crazy people everywhere. It isn't isolated to OKC or Penn Square Mall.



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After this news broke yesterday, a woman told me her husband doesn't want her going to Penn Square Mall anymore because of how bad things have gotten. I thought, "WTF? Are you serious?"

^^^Lol, its like come on bro its right outside of nichols hills. Things happen but that doesn't mean northwest expressway is all of a sudden not of the most developed corridors in OKC.

Yah sounds like the folks on the Next door app.. I think half those people never leave the house and fear EVERYTHING.

Yah sounds like the folks on the Next door app.. I think half those people never leave the house and fear EVERYTHING.

So true! On my group it's like everyone is peering through drawn curtains and posting every time someone they don't recognize walks down their street.

So true! On my group it's like everyone is peering through drawn curtails and posting every time someone they don't recognize walks down their street.

Can we get a forum for "crazy things people say on NextDoor" ?

Oh good lord, I signed up for my local Next Door group and deleted it after a week. To call those people idiots would be offensive.

To idiots.

in my neighborhood every time there is a Energy game at Taft someone will post " Did anyone hear those gun shots?" I mean EVERY GAME! fireworks people this isn't new!

Oh good lord, I signed up for my local Next Door group and deleted it after a week. To call those people idiots would be offensive.

To idiots.

LOL, this made me laugh so much because I did the SAME thing with Next Door!

LOL, this made me laugh so much because I did the SAME thing with Next Door!

Our Next Door group is pretty stupid most of the time, but it has actually borne fruit - we've met up with our neighbors on Neighbors Night Out (which we wouldn't've known about if we weren't on Next Door) and there was a Median Beautification sub-group started and we got a grant to replace a few trees/plants and add a bunch of new trees in the Venice Blvd median this coming year.

It’s a mixed bag, that’s for sure. It has been good for organizing clean-ups, selling/buying some things, reuniting lost pets with owners. But it’s also lots of “suspicious vehicle/person”, stop speeding, why are people entering our non gated neighborhood to play in our parks and playgrounds?

I got banned from that ap. Someone lost their dog and was still looking after a week. I said that if the dog chased someones cattle or other livestock, it could have been shot. (the area is around Waterloo rd and southern Logan county) I also said that the feral hogs could go after a small dog. I was accused of shooting the dog. I was told that I was a horrible person and cussed out. No thank you, I don't need those kind of people judging me.

Yah sounds like the folks on the Next door app.. I think half those people never leave the house and fear EVERYTHING.

LOL, I thought the same thing! We had some Halloween decorations stolen in our neighborhood and people started asking the HOA to install gates!

Not to mention all the people that call the police on the poor paperboy, and all the people that swear they were followed through the neighborhood while on a run, again by the paperboy.

That is funny.

Trying to get the discussion back on topic.......

Mall management is seriously messed up. There used to be a Mattress Firm immediately south of Zales. When their lease was up last year, Zales approached the mall about leasing the space so they could do an expansion and remodel. Management told them no, they had another tenant lined up. 10 months later, the space is still vacant and likely not garnering any rent. Which would you rather have, a newly remodeled and expanded national chain or another empty space?

Yah sounds like the folks on the Next door app.. I think half those people never leave the house and fear EVERYTHING.

Oh, you mean the lost/found dog/cat app?

Violent crime happens, and when it does I am comforted by more information, not less. Even a canned answer is better than silence. Simon Properties has a policy of suppressing information, and when this has happened at PSM in the past, I've avoided it for a few weeks. That's where I am right now unless I hear Simon explain what they're doing to protect shoppers since the stabbing.

Simon Properties has a policy of suppressing information, and when this has happened at PSM in the past, I've avoided it for a few weeks. That's where I am right now unless I hear Simon explain what they're doing to protect shoppers since the stabbing.

Wait...you can’t be serious. A single, isolated act of violence is enough to scare you away from the mall? What exactly would you like them to do to prevent it? They could add a larger police presence but even that might not have stopped this. This was a random act of violence. If you’re going to avoid the mall in hopes of staying safe from random incidents, I’m not sure what a timeline of a few weeks does for you...might as well just not go back at all and stay at home.

Jeez people, when did everyone start scaring so easily? Come on.

People need to understand that the huge percentage of violent crime is committed among people who know each other.

Random acts get huge press coverage but are very, very rare... No matter where you go.

For 4 years I worked in one of the 'worst' areas of Los Angeles (and that is saying something) and even though there was a lot of violent crime in the area, I never felt unsafe. I minded my own business, treated everyone with respect and was very safe.

People need to understand that the huge percentage of violent crime is committed among people who know each other.

Random acts get huge press coverage but are very, very rare... No matter where you go.

For 4 years I worked in one of the 'worst' areas of Los Angeles (and that is saying something) and even though there was a lot of violent crime in the area, I never felt unsafe. I minded my own business, treated everyone with respect and was very safe.

Don't start no sh*t won't be no sh*t

Macy's is turning half of their second floor into a Macy's backstage which is a Marshall's/Nordstrom Rack type store.

Also did Gap just give up and leave? It's been a long time since they closed due to the flooding.

That's not a good sign. It might be a sign Macy's is preparing to pull out of this market completely.

In traditional department stores, many have always had discount areas. Since many were/are in traditional buildings, they had basements and that’s where they put them. So, having a discount area doesn’t mean they are pulling out.

It's weird. The Dillard's there has Creed cologne, and may be the most upscale Dillard's in the chain. The Macy's sucks, by comparison.

People need to understand that the huge percentage of violent crime is committed among people who know each other.

Random acts get huge press coverage but are very, very rare... No matter where you go.

For 4 years I worked in one of the 'worst' areas of Los Angeles (and that is saying something) and even though there was a lot of violent crime in the area, I never felt unsafe. I minded my own business, treated everyone with respect and was very safe.

Interesting side-note...I recall from watching a few of the older police-procedural dramas that they would often include this very bit of information in the context of police or detective dialog....someone would make some generic comment about "this city isn't safe anymore, bunch of nutjobs running loose..." and the policeman/detective would say, "well, actually, most violent crime occurs between people who already know each other."

It's absolutely true.

In fact, I lived in Thousand Oaks, CA for years which always shows up on the 'safest places to live' lists.

Just a couple of weeks ago there was a shooting at the Oaks Mall and a woman was killed. Everyone absolutely freaked out on social media, using it as further evidence that the world is going to hell and even wonderful TO is no longer safe.

Turned out to be an estranged husband who shot his soon-to-be ex wife. Nobody else was hurt and that incident could have happened anywhere.


I also like to point out I worked in one of the 'worst' areas of Los Angeles (and that's saying something) for years and never, ever had a problem. I minded my own business, treated everyone with respect and quietly took myself out of situations that seemed a bit dodgy. Absolutely zero instances in 7 years in a place where violent crime is all too frequent.

It's absolutely true.

In fact, I lived in Thousand Oaks, CA for years which always shows up on the 'safest places to live' lists.

Just a couple of weeks ago there was a shooting at the Oaks Mall and a woman was killed. Everyone absolutely freaked out on social media, using it as further evidence that the world is going to hell and even wonderful TO is no longer safe.

Turned out to be an estranged husband who shot his soon-to-be ex wife. Nobody else was hurt and that incident could have happened anywhere.


I also like to point out I worked in one of the 'worst' areas of Los Angeles (and that's saying something) for years and never, ever had a problem. I minded my own business, treated everyone with respect and quietly took myself out of situations that seemed a bit dodgy. Absolutely zero instances in 7 years in a place where violent crime is all too frequent.

Don’t start no **** won’t be no ****

That's not a good sign. It might be a sign Macy's is preparing to pull out of this market completely.

What??? You took some information and came up with the most negative scenario possible??? Noooooo...

Interesting side-note...I recall from watching a few of the older police-procedural dramas that they would often include this very bit of information in the context of police or detective dialog....someone would make some generic comment about "this city isn't safe anymore, bunch of nutjobs running loose..." and the policeman/detective would say, "well, actually, most violent crime occurs between people who already know each other."

When acquaintances exchange gunfire in a public place, bystanders risk being shot. I'm saying that PSM could do a better job of discouraging bad actors, and be more public in their statements as such. Crossroads refused to clamp down, even allowing an apparel store to remain open that attracted gang members. Then there was a gang shooting outside the store's entrance, and that was about all it took to close Crossroads.

When acquaintances exchange gunfire in a public place, bystanders risk being shot. I'm saying that PSM could do a better job of discouraging bad actors, and be more public in their statements as such. Crossroads refused to clamp down, even allowing an apparel store to remain open that attracted gang members. Then there was a gang shooting outside the store's entrance, and that was about all it took to close Crossroads.

That seems a way over-simplification of what caused Crossroads to fail. There were lots of other factors.

I live about one mile from PSM. I have never heard anyone express concern that they were going to be in danger by going to the mall. The only concern I hear is for people (particularly women, girls, older persons) to be careful going after dark by themselves to distant parts of the parking lots, especially carrying multiple bags. This is the same advice you would probably give anyone, practically anywhere.

When acquaintances exchange gunfire in a public place, bystanders risk being shot. I'm saying that PSM could do a better job of discouraging bad actors, and be more public in their statements as such. Crossroads refused to clamp down, even allowing an apparel store to remain open that attracted gang members. Then there was a gang shooting outside the store's entrance, and that was about all it took to close Crossroads.

Yeah violence was definitely not the main cause of Crossroads downfall...it was it’s location. A few isolated incidents at a mall near the most affluent part of the city are going to cause it to go downhill. The situations at PSM and crossroads are not comparable.

Yes, I am over-simplifying because we’re in an online thread. And, yes, Crossroads had been in decline for many years, for many reasons. But the death knell was the arrival of serious criminal elements that mall management didn’t drive away. They approached experts and sought advice on how to eliminate this threat, then ignored that advice. My source is those experts, and see familiar signs at PSM.

Great Wraps in the food court closed several months ago. It was next to the pizza place. Today we had the opportunity to try Hynson's Gourmet Burgers that took its place. I think this place is legit and I am glad there is a burger/hot dog option in the food court. I would compare the burgers to The Garage. Below is their website. I will definitely be making a return trip.

http://hynsonsburger.com

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Locally owned too.

Thanks for the tip.

Great Wraps in the food court closed several months ago. It was next to the pizza place. Today we had the opportunity to try Hynson's Gourmet Burgers that took its place. I think this place is legit and I am glad there is a burger/hot dog option in the food court. I would compare the burgers to The Garage. Below is their website. I will definitely be making a return trip.

http://hynsonsburger.com

A chicken and waffle place was there also after Great Wraps. They didnt last long at all. 1 or 2 months tops

A chicken and waffle place was there also after Great Wraps. They didnt last long at all. 1 or 2 months tops

I am attempting to verify, but I heard the chicken and waffle place had to close because they were using residential grade cooking equipment in a commercial space. Something they are able to get by with easier in their food truck, but not in a food court.

What is going on with the Gap's space? Is that ever going to re-open?

What is going on with the Gap's space? Is that ever going to re-open?

they are living up to their name... they are currently the Gap in the mall...