michael
02-04-2011, 11:24 PM
true, nowhere to push the new snow to, that space is already occupied.
View Full Version : Winter Weather Discussion - Jan/Feb 2011 michael 02-04-2011, 11:24 PM true, nowhere to push the new snow to, that space is already occupied. SoonerDave 02-04-2011, 11:28 PM true, nowhere to push the new snow to, that space is already occupied. What's really bad are the parking lots where the snow has been plowed to the corners of the driveways, blocking the view of oncoming traffic for exiting vehicles. That's how they plowed the lot at my office, and with an eight-foot-high pile of semi-gray snow right in my line of sight, pulling onto the main road is going to be tricky pending some (significant) melting. Another round and its going to get really interesting... ou48A 02-04-2011, 11:28 PM My experiences with blizzards while living on the high plains of western Kansas generally makes what we have in the OKC area look like child’s play. It was far more life threating. (Over the eves of your house.) At least we don’t have tumble weeds packing the fences and acting like a snow fence. I hated winter out there. ou48A 02-04-2011, 11:42 PM Don't know....Imagine it will before long....On May 10th I was trying to eat french fries and cover (lingering) severe weather at exactly the same time and aspirated one of them. Sucked it right down.....Ha! Emily took over for 5 minutes so I could try to cough it back up....fortunately it did, but could sure feel the track it took in my right lung. My wife is a nurse, and she said it could have killed me. Joy. Your wife is correct. I hope you are very well insured. You might get hit by one of your trains:tiphat: michael 02-04-2011, 11:44 PM tell me how are the roads downtown?? ill be headed in tomorrow early afternoon. also anyone know how i-35 from stillwater to the city is? ou48A 02-04-2011, 11:48 PM true, nowhere to push the new snow to, that space is already occupied. The lack of space is not necessarily the biggest problem. When you have old snow plowed high beside a road and then with enough new wind driven snow the new drift tends to be roughly the same depth or just a little higher than the old pile beside the road. I have seen some 6 to 7 foot piles of snow beside some of our roads. adaniel 02-05-2011, 12:24 AM tell me how are the roads downtown?? ill be headed in tomorrow early afternoon. also anyone know how i-35 from stillwater to the city is? I live just north of downtown and for the most part roads are in very good condition. Most snow is trucked out of here which is nice. I-35 (from what I've heard) is not so much, especially between Guthrie and Edmond. They were having a ton of wrecks tonight from people wiping out on black ice. If you are leaving in the afternoon hopefully it will be above freezing, but if not drive carefully. Thunder 02-05-2011, 05:12 AM Look at KOCO for example, how all the reporters, employees at the station, and weather people have time to post on the LiveWire in between camera times. It can be done. I have seen them talking on there just minutes, or even seconds, from going live on the air. Mike, I grew up watching you and really like how you do things, especially when it comes to severe and major storms. You have that style that induce fear in people and with that tactic, I believe it really do work to grab their attention. Look at Gary England over at KWTV, he is too boring and puts us to sleep. Some people on here believe you go overboard, but I think you are just fine. There are still a lot of people who ignore weather situations, but at least you are working hard enough to get them to wake up and pay attention. Only thing that I was sad about is that you just don't seem that social with viewers (or even fans). Lack of posts and updates on the weather blog there...no social interaction such as KOCO's LiveWire. Really wish you, the whole team and the station would start doing that. The guy that started the weather blog there (forgot his name) told me in private email that you wanted nothing to do with it. I dunno why... :-( Now he went back to family in another state. The weather blog is just dead. Oh, Jonathan Condor...something like that. ou48A 02-05-2011, 10:09 AM With enough wind this could be a crippling http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OUN&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1 THE NEXT SYSTEM DUE IN AROUND TUE-WED HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE MORE TROUBLESOME. ARCTIC HIGH IS POISED OVER NW CANADA TO DELIVER ANOTHER SHOT OF UNSEASONABLY COLD AIR TO THE REGION BEGINNING TUE. MODELS NOW IN BETTER AGREEMENT ON TIMING OF NEXT UPPER TROUGH. PRECIP MAY START MON NIGHT N... BUT MORE LIKELY TO START TUE IN MOST AREAS BEFORE PEAKING TUE NIGHT AND TAPERING OFF WED. THIS ONE LIKELY TO FEATURE MORE WIND... MORE SNOW... AND COLDER AIR THAN THE ONE TONIGHT/SUNDAY. THIS COULD BE ANOTHER RELATIVELY HIGH- IMPACT EVENT. LATEST ECMWF HAS SFC WINDS 15-25KT ALL AREAS AND 6-10 INCHES OF SNOW OVER MUCH OF OK WITH SFC TEMPS INTO THE SINGLE DIGITS BY WED SoonerDave 02-05-2011, 10:11 AM Was just out driving around part of SW OKC, and there's (fortunately) quite a bit of melting on the main roads. The kicker, however, is that there are still icy, snow-packed corners at intersections that can sneak up and bite you if you're not careful. I caught myself trying to stop on southbound Santa Fe near 89th, but the car had other ideas....fortunately, was going slow enough such that the car finally stopped on its own, but it was illustrative of one of those situations where you just can't be too careful. Be safe out there, everyone! Its getting better, but its not clear sailing just yet :) We're probably going to be dealing with melting and refreezing for some time over the next few days, I guess... SkyWestOKC 02-05-2011, 10:22 AM Luckily, the sun is out, which does dry things out, melting can occur if the sun is out even if temps are not above freezing. Something to do with the ice on a molecular level getting heated individually by the suns radiation, gaining enough energy to melt and evaporate. I'm no physicist though. michael 02-05-2011, 10:23 AM well, my sidewalk is melting so im figuring the roads...i-35 will be good in an hour or so for the trip down to okc. jn1780 02-05-2011, 11:15 AM Were finally above freezing. venture 02-05-2011, 11:20 AM Couple quick maps for today... Snowfall forecast for Tonight into Sunday: http://goo.gl/maps/9JH9 We could probably see the system tonight start with rain before going to all snow. So depending on how much liquid we get, will greatly influence snow amounts. More rain, go with the low number. No rain, go with the high number and maybe add 1. Ideally we'll want to start all snow because liquid water on the ice and snow on the roads right now will not make things pleasant at all tonight for driving. Feb 9-10th Storm: http://goo.gl/maps/qEjg This one looks to put a decent dumping on the area. Light snow out west and gradually getting heavier towards the east. Still really far out and things will change a billion times between now and then, so you all know the drill. Easy180 02-05-2011, 04:59 PM Bring it on....Says Kansas OKCMallen 02-06-2011, 12:31 PM How we looking, Venture??? venture 02-06-2011, 12:57 PM Still looking for a good snow storm mid-week, but models are still moving around a bit. Easy180 02-06-2011, 03:27 PM Venture..I see mention of just 3-6 inches now from Norman...Can you shed some light on what they are talking about? venture 02-06-2011, 03:27 PM Special weather statement national weather service norman ok 323 pm cst sun feb 6 2011 okz004>048-050>052-txz083>090-062330- harper-woods-alfalfa-grant-kay-ellis-woodward-major-garfield- noble-roger mills-dewey-custer-blaine-kingfisher-logan-payne- beckham-wa****a-caddo-canadian-oklahoma-lincoln-grady-mcclain- cleveland-pottawatomie-seminole-hughes-harmon-greer-kiowa-jackson- tillman-comanche-stephens-garvin-murray-pontotoc-coal-cotton- jefferson-carter-johnston-atoka-love-marshall-bryan-hardeman- foard-wilbarger-wichita-knox-baylor-archer-clay- including the cities of...buffalo...alva...cherokee...medford... Ponca city...arnett...woodward...fairview...enid...perry ... Cheyenne...taloga...weatherford...clinton...watong a... Kingfisher...guthrie...stillwater...elk city...sayre...cordell... Anadarko...yukon...el reno...mustang...oklahoma city...chandler... Chickasha...purcell...norman...moore...shawnee...s eminole... Holdenville...hollis...mangum...hobart...altus...f rederick... Lawton...duncan...pauls valley...sulphur...ada...coalgate... Walters...waurika...ardmore...tishomingo...atoka.. .marietta... Madill...durant...quanah...chillicothe...crowell.. .vernon... Wichita falls...munday...knox city...seymour...archer city... Holliday...lakeside city...henrietta 323 pm cst sun feb 6 2011 ...winter storm possible tuesday night and wednesday... Another round of snow...wind...and bitter cold will affect all of oklahoma and western north texas at the middle of this week. An arctic cold front and upper level trough will slide through from northwest to southeast. Snow and blowing snow will likely begin in northwest oklahoma by tuesday afternoon...reaching western north texas and central oklahoma tuesday night...and reaching southeast oklahoma wednesday. This storm should easily produce snow accumulation of at least 3-5 inches over a broad region...especially north of the red river. If the storm moves slower or goes through any intensification...locally higher snow amounts could occur...especially in central and northern oklahoma. Regardless of exact snow amounts...wind speeds of 15 to 30 mph and higher gusts...will create blowing and drifting snow...which will lower visibility and make it difficult for city and state crews to keep roads clear. Very low wind chills...between zero and 15 below zero...will also develop during the storm. The upper level trough was coming onshore in the pacific northwest sunday afternoon...and this will allow forecasters to better gauge its strength and track tonight. It is likely that a winter storm watch will be posted for a large part of the norman office forecast area by monday morning...and that the period of hazardous winter weather will be from tuesday evening through wednesday. Leading up to the storm...the weather will be dry and partly sunny on monday...allowing people to run errands and make preparations. Conditions may deteriorate quickly...however...on tuesday... Especially in northern and western oklahoma...where freezing drizzle and light snow may begin during the day. People and organizations may need to start preparing now for the possibility of a winter storm that would create very hazardous outdoor conditions beginning tuesday evening. YO MUDA 02-06-2011, 05:01 PM Well I for one love the snow. It was pretty and profitable for me. You see Im a gardner at the University of Oklahoma. I just got home. Been at work since 11 PM Monday. Schools been close since Tues and I have alot of overtime. Today the light rain was nice. I worked 10 hours in my little Kubota, with snow blade on front, pushing the 2 feet of snow the big snow plows piled up behind the students cars. The kids were greatful. On the subject of TV Weathermen and women, Mike, Emily and David are awesome. Bring on more next week. Im saving for a new motorcycle. LOL. venture 02-06-2011, 05:52 PM Urgent - winter weather message national weather service norman ok 532 pm cst sun feb 6 2011 okz004>044-046-txz083>085-070745- /o.new.koun.ws.a.0002.110209t0000z-110210t0000z/ harper-woods-alfalfa-grant-kay-ellis-woodward-major-garfield- noble-roger mills-dewey-custer-blaine-kingfisher-logan-payne- beckham-wa****a-caddo-canadian-oklahoma-lincoln-grady-mcclain- cleveland-pottawatomie-seminole-hughes-harmon-greer-kiowa-jackson- tillman-comanche-stephens-garvin-murray-pontotoc-coal-cotton- carter-hardeman-foard-wilbarger- including the cities of...buffalo...alva...cherokee...medford... Ponca city...arnett...woodward...fairview...enid...perry ... Cheyenne...taloga...weatherford...clinton...watong a... Kingfisher...guthrie...stillwater...elk city...sayre...cordell... Anadarko...yukon...el reno...mustang...oklahoma city...chandler... Chickasha...purcell...norman...moore...shawnee...s eminole... Holdenville...hollis...mangum...hobart...altus...f rederick... Lawton...duncan...pauls valley...sulphur...ada...coalgate... Walters...ardmore...quanah...chillicothe...crowell ...vernon 532 pm cst sun feb 6 2011 ...winter storm watch in effect from tuesday evening through wednesday afternoon... * timing: From tuesday evening until late wednesday afternoon. * main impact: Snowfall amounts 4 to 8 inches. Precautionary/preparedness actions... Keep up with the latest weather information...especially if you plan to travel. Easy180 02-06-2011, 06:22 PM I will take 5 then with highs back up near freezing on Thurs and *balmy* on Friday...Be a cakewalk compared to last week venture 02-07-2011, 12:23 AM Here is the look of the models this evening and their snowfall forecast. Look at these as max totals. There is going to be some mix early on that could keep snow totals down somewhat. Also, you'll see the models differ on the exact track of the storm...so this isn't in stone just yet. NAM: http://www.chatokc.com/images/nam_020711_00z.png GFS: http://www.chatokc.com/images/gfs_020711_00z.png Roadhawg 02-07-2011, 08:18 AM TWC says low 60's early next week... weird winter OKCMallen 02-07-2011, 09:02 AM Sheesh OKCisOK4me 02-07-2011, 10:23 AM I just want it to be Thursday. venture 02-07-2011, 10:53 AM Looking at the model runs this morning, they are holding pretty consistent with an 8-12" snowfall across the Metro Area. I'll be more actively monitoring the chat room tomorrow afternoon. Roadhawg 02-07-2011, 10:57 AM Thanks Venture... again appreciated bandnerd 02-07-2011, 11:03 AM At least it's going to warm up faster after this event than last week's event. That cold was epic and I'm happy to see it go away! OKCMallen 02-07-2011, 11:10 AM Thanks Venture! Surely this won't be quite as bad as the last one... Andrew4OU 02-07-2011, 11:22 AM Yeah, these past two winters have really been extraordinary, especially when you compare it to our normal winters. I thought we were going to dodge the bullet with La Nina and after we got through December and most January. Thunder 02-07-2011, 11:49 AM http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8007/fxcwinterweatherupdate.jpg Disclaimer: These are the prediction of the NWS! Point all anger toward them. ou48A 02-07-2011, 12:15 PM Winter storm warning. Updated products out shortly. ou48A 02-07-2011, 12:27 PM http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=OKZ029&warncounty=OKC027&firewxzone=OKZ029&local_place1=Norman+OK&product1=Winter+Storm+Warning URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK 1203 PM CST MON FEB 7 2011 WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM TUESDAY TO 6 PM CST WEDNESDAY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...BLOWING SNOW...AND BITTER COLD...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM TUESDAY TO 6 PM CST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT. THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...BLOWING SNOW...AND BITTER COLD...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 3 PM TUESDAY TO 6 PM CST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT. * TIMING: ACCUMULATING SNOW...FALLING TEMPERATURES...AND GUSTY WINDS BEGINNING TUESDAY EVENING. STORM INTENSITY PEAKING LATE TUESDAY NIGHT AND EARLY WEDNESDAY. * MAIN IMPACT: HEAVY SNOW AND BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW. VERY HAZARDOUS TRAVEL AND OUTDOOR CONDITIONS DUE TO SNOW- PACKED ROADS AND LOW VISIBILITY. * ACCUMULATIONS: AVERAGE OF 4 TO 8 INCHES...LOCALLY 10 INCHES. DRIFTS 2 TO 3 FEET. * OTHER IMPACTS: DANGEROUS COLD WITH WIND CHILLS FALLING AS LOW AS 10 TO 15 DEGREES BELOW ZERO. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... FINISH PREPARATIONS BY TUESDAY AFTERNOON. AVOID TRAVEL BY TUESDAY EVENING. BE SURE YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY IF YOU LOSE ELECTRICAL POWER. MONITOR WEATHER FORECASTS AND INFORMATION. Roadhawg 02-07-2011, 02:25 PM http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8007/fxcwinterweatherupdate.jpg disclaimer: These are the prediction of the nws! Point all anger toward them. lol OKCisOK4me 02-07-2011, 02:43 PM I hope this storm system is a bust for OKC like the storm system that was suppose to drop 1-3 inches late Saturday night and early Sunday morning. Thunder 02-07-2011, 04:19 PM http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=216654750154515572193.00049b8c16729fb622f8a&ll=35.32633,-97.69043&spn=7.186326,14.27124&t=h&z=7 Colors not appearing on the map anymore. Bunty 02-07-2011, 04:44 PM Well, I hope this time that the streets will be warmed up enough to make at least some of the snow melt when it falls on the streets. Thunder 02-07-2011, 05:26 PM Well, I hope this time that the streets will be warmed up enough to make at least some of the snow melt when it falls on the streets. LOL!!!!!!! Before our previous Blizzard, the temps were quite warm. :-) ou48A 02-07-2011, 06:04 PM Mike Morgan says 7 to 12 inches for OKC area. Gary England says 10 inches is the worst case for OKC. For me it’s not so much the total amount, it’s the drifting that makes it so tough to get around Easy180 02-07-2011, 06:43 PM At least it's going to warm up faster after this event than last week's event. That cold was epic and I'm happy to see it go away! That will make s huge difference...We should see some decent melting by Thurs afternoon and very little evidence of any snow by sat night michael 02-07-2011, 06:52 PM isnt it supposed to be like -7 on thursday night? Easy180 02-07-2011, 07:49 PM Supposed to be sunny with a high of 27....Will put a serious dent to the lovely stuff on the roads...After some ice on fri morning the storm will be a distant memory Bunty 02-07-2011, 08:05 PM LOL!!!!!!! Before our previous Blizzard, the temps were quite warm. :-) Very true. It got up to 76. But as I recall it was then real cold for 2 straight days before the snow started. Now with the temperture not expected above freezing tomorrow before the snow, I don't have much confidence in hoping the snow won't stick to the streets. venture 02-07-2011, 11:23 PM Here is the update for tonight. NAM and GFS still want to go different directions with the heaviest precip. NAM - OKC Metro: 6 to 13" http://www.chatokc.com/images/nam_020811_00z.png GFS - OKC Metro: 8 to 12" http://www.chatokc.com/images/gfs_020811_00z.png blangtang 02-07-2011, 11:36 PM Last week, I took the under on the +/- 10". Oops on that. I'm going to be stubborn and take the under on the 10" again. Hey this is more fun than Vegas OoOo! But I'll bet the snowplows have all the streets clear by Monday. Man I wish i knew when the trash pickup is.... venture 02-08-2011, 12:38 AM Norman updated their snowfall forecast for the Metro tonight to 8-10 inches. http://www.chatokc.com/images/oun_020811.jpg Thunder 02-08-2011, 04:42 AM Norman updated their snowfall forecast for the Metro tonight to 8-10 inches. http://www.chatokc.com/images/oun_020811.jpg Certain someone will attack the town of Norman for predicting the snow totals. Be sure to say its from NWS in Norman. :-) I'm all ready for this storm, so BRING IT ON! I wanna attempt to make a snowman. bandnerd 02-08-2011, 06:10 AM Do some of you ever sleep? lol. kevinpate 02-08-2011, 06:22 AM Thunder, if you can find your way to Norman when it snows this week, you can have, absolutely free of charge, every flake that lands in my driveway. Feel free to make snowmen until you run out of snowflakes. The only thing I ask is you move the snow from the driveway over into the yard first. That way i won't have to run them over with the truck. Let me know when you're coming to town and I'll even make some hot cocoa. Oh, and bring a friend to help you move the snow if you want company, cause I'll be inside staying warm. I'm hauling files home tonight, just in case tomorrow is another hermit day. I make a good hermit. Thunder 02-08-2011, 07:08 AM I'll be there, Kevin! Same flat rate charge for clearing the driveway. Latest update and this is a doozy. :-) http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8007/fxcwinterweatherupdate.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1540/kocorick.jpg adaniel 02-08-2011, 09:58 AM What it is going to look like weather-wise when the Thunder game lets out? I'm assuming this would be between 10-11 tonight. I've got a buddy who's going and I've offered my place to stay the night in midtown if he doesn't feel comfortable driving back to East Norman. OKCisOK4me 02-08-2011, 10:10 AM Norman updated their snowfall forecast for the Metro tonight to 8-10 inches. http://www.chatokc.com/images/oun_020811.jpg That's weird, I easily remember making a post about this picture last night that it LOOKS LIKE A BULLSEYE.... That's really weird.. OKCMallen 02-08-2011, 10:13 AM http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1540/kocorick.jpg I like how he groups together ALL of N and NE Oklahoma with the metro so he can say it's up to 12" in his prime viewing area even though current forecasts say it's only 10". A "foot of snow" sounds better than 10". venture 02-08-2011, 10:23 AM What it is going to look like weather-wise when the Thunder game lets out? I'm assuming this would be between 10-11 tonight. I've got a buddy who's going and I've offered my place to stay the night in midtown if he doesn't feel comfortable driving back to East Norman. Short term RUC model indicating the heaviest precip shouldn't be here until after 10PM tonight. adaniel 02-08-2011, 10:47 AM Short term RUC model indicating the heaviest precip shouldn't be here until after 10PM tonight. Thanks for the update. That is still cutting it close. Hopefully people won't dilly-dally in their exits out of the arena otherwise its going to be a madhouse on the interstates leading out of dowtown. venture 02-08-2011, 11:25 AM Granted that is just one model. NWS Norman is suggesting things will start going down hill around 7PM...but really it all depends on how well road crews keep up with it. If they don't sit back and let it happen, we'll be good. This looks to be a 95% snow event, maybe a little sleet early...but nothing horrible. This morning's forecast models... NAM - OKC Metro: 6 to 13" - http://wxcaster.com/gis-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=TLX http://www.chatokc.com/images/nam_020811_12z.png GFS - OKC Metro: 10 to 15" - http://wxcaster.com/gis-gfs-snow-overlays.php3?STATIONID=TLX http://www.chatokc.com/images/gfs_020811_12z.png michael 02-08-2011, 11:33 AM wow, this is shaping up to be more in stillwater than the previous storm. Bunty 02-08-2011, 01:15 PM So far, I'm getting some consolation that the snow area in Kansas is having trouble crossing the Oklahoma border, except for the northeast corner. Jesseda 02-08-2011, 01:40 PM Yeah I think it might miss us, its rotating around on the north side it might spin around us to the north.. But im no Venture79, im just making a fun guess |