Like mkjeeves described, I have trouble with my antenna getting a clear signal from all networks at the same time. I’m always having to move it. Also, the subchannels are a big hit and miss for me. I watch MeTV, Justice, CourtTV, and sometimes get some of the others and sometimes not. It’s really tempting to get that Cox $25 package with local channels. It would almost be worth it just for perfect reception of all networks, and all subchannels. Grrrr

I think COX doesn't carry all the subchannels. One of the KSBI 52 subchannels is LAFF (52.4?), and I can't find it on COX. I read where KOCB 34 added a subchannel that is not carried on COX. Even worse for me, COX doesn't carry the low power, Edmond based KBZC 42, which broadcasts both GET-TV and Cozi-TV. Not to mention BUZZR. This has me desperate enough to think about putting an Over The Air antenna in my mother in law's house and then getting a PLEX or HD HomeRun (possibly both in tandem) hardware and account set up, so's I can record my Banacek, Sonny & Cher, etc. and watch it at my home and work (Village and Fairgrounds area).

I'm serious about my "GeezerVision".

I think COX doesn't carry all the subchannels. One of the KSBI 52 subchannels is LAFF (52.4?), and I can't find it on COX. I read where KOCB 34 added a subchannel that is not carried on COX. Even worse for me, COX doesn't carry the low power, Edmond based KBZC 42, which broadcasts both GET-TV and Cozi-TV. Not to mention BUZZR. This has me desperate enough to think about putting an Over The Air antenna in my mother in law's house and then getting a PLEX or HD HomeRun (possibly both in tandem) hardware and account set up, so's I can record my Banacek, Sonny & Cher, etc. and watch it at my home and work (Village and Fairgrounds area). I'm serious about my "GeezerVision".Thanks for this! I assumed they carried them all. I see now that’s not the case. Here’s the November 2019 channel listing: https://www.cox.com/wcm/cl/Oklahoma-City-Area.pdf Like you, I love many of the old shows and also enjoy BUZZR for classic game shows. I watch it on PlutoTV. Also, all four seasons of Naked City are available on-demand from Pluto (great old before-its-time crime show).I’m a fan of MeTV’s overnight lineup of Quinn Martin shows. But, I just bought the complete Barnaby Jones and Cannon series on DVD. I also have many of the other classic shows on DVD sets. I rip all my DVDs to high quality mp4 files — so much easier to manage. Buying these sets can be a real option when cutting the cord — program your own station.

There is at least one other option to getting cable, you can install a second or even third antenna pointed at other towers and use a combiner to combine the two signals. My attic antenna goes into a four way splitter right off the antenna. I have no idea how my house is wired from there, and there is other wiring under the house where cable comes in, and a powered splitter there too. '50s house, many modifications over the years. I'm going to replace the splitter in the attic with a powered distribution block and see if that fixes the problem. If not, I'll probably put an antenna outside higher up and see what that does. But, I also have LAN cable drops I installed to several places in the house, including media areas, so I might put a new antenna on the outside of the house, connected straight to the Silicon Dust HD Homerun Quattro I just ordered and use my LAN for signal everywhere, which would bypass all the coax, splitters and stuff. Could also use wifi for other new locations. We'll see how it goes.A couple of really good ideas there. Thank you!

Question, at what point do all the streaming services equal a Cox/AT&T service? There’s like 10 different streaming services plus the cost of each device. i. e. Roku, Apple TV, Sling, etc. I haven’t done the research but at some point we will be right back where we started with bundled services but with streaming.

Question, at what point do all the streaming services equal a Cox/AT&T service? There’s like 10 different streaming services plus the cost of each device. i. e. Roku, Apple TV, Sling, etc. I haven’t done the research but at some point we will be right back where we started with bundled services but with streaming.
Solid point. I held onto Cox basic for longer than I should have. Price just kept climbing and taxes and fees were easily 40%. Now Netflix keeps raising monthly rate and I am sure to be sucked into Hulu soon so I can watch Sunny in Philadelphia. But even if you pick and choose, you still have to pay someone to give you internet access. And as an aside, rural access to internet in Oklahoma continues to be a real issue.
For me, the cost of cutting the cord was a wash, but for sports fans I could actually see it being less expensive to just keep cable or satellite.

Question, at what point do all the streaming services equal a Cox/AT&T service? ThereÂ’s like 10 different streaming services plus the cost of each device. i. e. Roku, Apple TV, Sling, etc. I havenÂ’t done the research but at some point we will be right back where we started with bundled services but with streaming.

If you use what Cox provides, you might be better off using Cox than buying a bunch of equipment and subscribing to a lot of services. We found there was only one or two shows we cared about in the Cox line up that we could not get over the air. They were not worth what they cost, paying Cox for monthly service. We did not add on Sling, Hulu, etc. Already had Prime and Netflix accounts when we had Cox. Already had a Roku to stream Netflix, Amazon and other services. Already had a TIVO to record and watch shows when we wanted. We have watched a couple of shows we paid by the episode at VUDU or Amazon after cutting the cable. Not much money compared to Cox monthly bill.

^^^ Plus just the simplicity of an all-in-one solution by using Cox. We don't have kids and have a decent amount of disposable income, so Cox is just easier to have it all in one, despite their monopoly (we were looking forward to Google Fiber).

Solid point. I held onto Cox basic for longer than I should have. Price just kept climbing and taxes and fees were easily 40%. Now Netflix keeps raising monthly rate and I am sure to be sucked into Hulu soon so I can watch Sunny in Philadelphia. But even if you pick and choose, you still have to pay someone to give you internet access. And as an aside, rural access to internet in Oklahoma continues to be a real issue.
For me, the cost of cutting the cord was a wash, but for sports fans I could actually see it being less expensive to just keep cable or satellite.

I have planned out a migration to an "end state" of using Cox purely for broadband, plus either YouTube TV or Sling for streaming, and an attic antenna for OTA with a SiliconDust network tuner appliance to distribute the signal anywhere in the house.

There would be an initial outlay expense of equipment (tuner plus antenna, about $150), and time in setup of my own home DVR (but free). But it would reduce my cable bill from right at $200 to just over $100. The Sling subscription would be $40/month, so my net saving would be about $60/month.

That means the setup pays for itself in about three months. I save $540 the first year, and $720 annually thereafter.

Now, in fairness, I might have to adjust the startup cost a bit in that I would likely run the setups in parallel for a month to ensure I am satisfied with the new arrangement. That might increase my startup cost by $60 for the first month.

YouTube TV offers some (but not all) local channels l and cloud DVR, but it's $50/month whereas Sling Orange+Blue is $40...ironically, I've found most of what I would be likely to record is local (OTA)..which I could capture with a Homebrew DVR running on a virtual machine on my network.

A friend just went to YouTube TV and loves it. Easy interface, DVR, etc. He had tried several other options and so far feels this one is best (for them).

When you say OTA, are you talking about local PBS station OETA? If so, it streams for free. And if you donate $5 a month (tax-free) you get Passport which allows you to stream all the old stuff.
I'm curious what is on "local" TV that is so appealing to persons? Weather? Honestly, Twitter will update you faster than local news. Traffic? Waze or Google. Old reruns of MASH? I love Frank Burns too, but not enough to watch local commericals.

When you say OTA, are you talking about local PBS station OETA? If so, it streams for free. And if you donate $5 a month (tax-free) you get Passport which allows you to stream all the old stuff.
I'm curious what is on "local" TV that is so appealing to persons? Weather? Honestly, Twitter will update you faster than local news. Traffic? Waze or Google. Old reruns of MASH? I love Frank Burns too, but not enough to watch local commericals.

OTA = Over The Air

I do like the OETA family like Create and Worldview or whatever it is called. I do prefer to watch weather on the TV instead of using Twitter. But I agree that I can't stand to sit through long commercial breaks that are often in morning news segments.

When you say OTA, are you talking about local PBS station OETA? If so, it streams for free. And if you donate $5 a month (tax-free) you get Passport which allows you to stream all the old stuff.
I'm curious what is on "local" TV that is so appealing to persons? Weather? Honestly, Twitter will update you faster than local news. Traffic? Waze or Google. Old reruns of MASH? I love Frank Burns too, but not enough to watch local commericals.

Over the air, I record daily OETA Newshour, CBS News and ABC News, Tonight Show. If/when I have a 4 channel DVR, I'll record all the night interview shows. Of those, I watch at least one of the national news shows and usually delete the rest. I fast forward through the monologues and watch guest interviews and performances of night shows, if they are people I am interested in.

Also on the regular Over the Air record list that may or may not ever get looked at: Meet the Press, Face the Nation, This Week With George Stephanopolis, Blacklist, CBS Sunday Morning, SNL, Emergence, TMZ, Shark Tank and maybe a few others the wife likes, like football. Special events when they happen, like Debates, Oscars etc. Local news if and only if there is something specific we are interested in. Weather sometimes, especially during storms. Various movies. Some PBS shows. We spend far more time watching Netflix and Amazon offerings than OTA.

Follow up on the Silicon Dust HD Homerun Quattro...I bought one. Installed it. Simple enough, antenna in and LAN cable out to my router. plug in power. Download the HD Homerun app into my Roku and it plays TV easy peasy. I gained being able to watch OTA TV on my phone and couple of other devices that run the HD Home Run software. Recording is another thing altogether. (ABC reception through the Silicone Dust works fine, which I still have problems getting on my TIVO. I'm about to decide that is a TIVO tuner issue. I can get ABC on everything in the house except the TIVO. Have two coax from the antenna to the TIVO area, and it's the same problem regardless of which cable I use. Both cables will deliver ABC directly to the TV, just not through the TIVO.)

They make a few different models of the Silicon Dust but the Quattro at $109 does not have internal recording hardware. Some of the other models do. You can use your own PC or network connected storage device, with their paid app or the PLEX paid app and record that way. The reviews are the HD Home Run DVR app isn't very good and they mostly recommend using PLEX. Both apps are fairly cheap, $5 a month, $40 a year, $150 lifetime for PLEX. The other one is less expensive. The Quattro device came with a free month of PLEX and two free months of the HD Home Run DVR service.

I have set up the PLEX Media Server running on a desktop with a spare 500GB drive. The PC is connected with a LAN cable to the network. (I have a Western Digital My Cloud I might move storage too but it's offline after I changed out a router recently.) So far, it seems to work fine. That allows me to play any recorded show or live OTA shows on any device running PLEX, which includes PCs, tablets, Roku, phones, etc. Recorded shows can be downloaded to those devices for remote viewing. We'll see what happens when I record on all four tuners on the Silicon Dust Quatro, have other traffic on my home network, like streaming a couple of things to the TIVO and watching something on Netflix, assuming that would ever happen. Plus other network traffic.

The initial goal was to get recorded shows anywhere in the house. I think that may work for some effort, existing hardware, $109 for hardware plus software fees. Cheap solution.

Just thought I'd mention that I today joined the "cord cutters club." Dumped the TV portion of my Cox service and, goofy as it may sound, it was stinking liberating. I shaved $109/month off my bill, which now more than pays for my $50/month YouTubeTV service plus my $6/mo CBS All Access sub, saving me a net of $53/month. No more converter boxes, no more CableCards, no more crapola.

I was originally planning to get an HDHomeRun Quatro to capture OTA stuff and set up an in-house DVR, but with YouTubeTV carrying all the main locals with the exception of Ch 43 (KAUT), I'm not even sure I need the Quatro. I picked up a nice attic-mount UHF antenna and pick up 55 local stations crystal-clear, all routed through the preamp installed when the house was built.

We'll play with the OTA setup for a while and I may still get a Quatro, but at this point, I'm doubting it.