I'm starting to wonder if there is ANYTHING you actually like. lol. You are quite the prolific hater.

Attention. He likes attention lol :tongue:

I guess we will know for sure once the writer's strike is over.

Double down. LOL. I think I'll take Pete's take. I prefer ones with actual knowledge and experience over something mired in depression and gloom.

Attention. He likes attention lol :tongue:

I think he’s just trying to carry on the legacy of the big time OKC hater, dcsooner. Haven’t seen that guy lately.

I think he’s just trying to carry on the legacy of the big time OKC hater, dcsooner. Haven’t seen that guy lately.

You are aware I'm the one defending OKC and PSM in this discussion right?

You are aware I'm the one defending OKC and PSM in this discussion right?

No, that's not clear at all. You just sound like you hate everything and nothing impresses you.

No, that's not clear at all. You just sound like you hate everything and nothing impresses you.

Well then go back and read it again. Pete and others have constantly bashed on Prairie Surf almost since day one. They site Prairie Surf and Oklahoma in general as to why Tulsa King won't be filiming in Oklahoma.

The reality is Tulsa King has internal issues. Show runners don't quit the number #1 streaming series over "creative differences" unless it is a ****-show behind the scenes, especially when you consider they couldn't find a replacement. People should be chomping at the bit to land that job.

Well the city could always claim Eminent Domain over the whole Myriad and put an end to that. Lol.

Well then go back and read it again. Pete and others have constantly bashed on Prairie Surf almost since day one. They site Prairie Surf and Oklahoma in general as to why Tulsa King won't be filiming in Oklahoma.

The reality is Tulsa King has internal issues. Show runners don't quit the number #1 streaming series over "creative differences" unless it is a ****-show behind the scenes, especially when you consider they couldn't find a replacement. People should be chomping at the bit to land that job.

If you had said that from the beginning, it would have been clear. This isn't a reading problem, it was a writing problem. Lol

OkieinGeorgia - I'll take that under advisement but hopefully it is clear now.

Well the city could always claim Eminent Domain over the whole Myriad and put an end to that. Lol.

Claim eminent domain on their own land?

Claim eminent domain on their own land?

That is unironically the most American thing I've ever heard.

That is unironically the most American thing I've ever heard.

And add a Land Value Tax in order to get them off high center and start building.

https://journalrecord.com/2023/06/21/holt-new-okc-arena-plan-coming-this-summer/

TBF, the showrunner stepped down due to creative differences and I don't think they've found a new one yet.

There doesn't have to be one right answer. Poorly managed show and poorly managed studio could be both correct. The cast and crew complaining about PSM just adds to the fire. If all filming in OKC was just make the crew unhappy and added costs, what's the point of filming in OKC?

I think Omni and the CC have their own HVAC, Omni definitely has units on the roof. ...

I also think BOK has its own HVAC too, covered by the false top floors.

I'm pretty sure the Convention Center uses the chilled and heated water from the Sheridan facility. I recall that they had to put in a new line that goes along Robinson to the new CC. Would have been a great opportunity to put in a new line for Paycom while they were at it.

There doesn't have to be one right answer. Poorly managed show and poorly managed studio could be both correct. The cast and crew complaining about PSM just adds to the fire. If all filming in OKC was just make the crew unhappy and added costs, what's the point of filming in OKC?

What crew complained about PSM and Oklahoma other than Stallone saying it was hot?

Wow! Has anybody seen the new 7 MILLION dollar video board?
And, wow, look at the new seats in Paycom. Every seat was replaced!
https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-paycom-center-video-board/45013163

Wow! Has anybody seen the new 7 MILLION dollar video board?
And, wow, look at the new seats in Paycom. Every seat was replaced!
https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-paycom-center-video-board/45013163

Assuming the new arena is passed and built, some old arena is going going to get a good deal on seats and a scoreboard here in about 5- 7 years. Depending on the fate of Paycom of course.

Assuming the new arena is passed and built, some old arena is going going to get a good deal on seats and a scoreboard here in about 5- 7 years. Depending on the fate of Paycom of course.

scoreboard will just get moved to the new arena ..

Very cool and long overdue!

I'm so glad they are replacing the seats. Even with the new arena coming, and i would say ESPECIALLY because of that, it's important to get that done while there's still an active need. Think about how those Myriad seats never got replaced, not once. How many of us sat on red duct tape seats? These are not anything close to as bad, but its a good chance to stay ahead of it so the new seats have a chance to have a good long life with the facility.

They mention the return of the big dance for basketball too. I can only imagine the opportunity once the new arena is there, for both Mens and Womens at the same time!!! And i'm thinking maybe they're putting the current scoreboard in storage so they have one to put back in there once the new one moves to the new arena? It's entirely possible though, that they just get a whole other new one for the new arena rather than taking it with them. New space, new lines, new needs, etc.

But i'm glad we're still keeping our short-term views active with a realistic vision, while still keeping our eyes on the long-term goals. This is honestly, one of the defining moments for OKC professional sports. How is OKC going to handle this first time that the team and the city say "hey we need this, so how will we pay for it". That public/private partnership has been a point of battles and lost teams in so many markets. I hope that everyone sees how important this all is.

I'm so glad they are replacing the seats. Even with the new arena coming, and i would say ESPECIALLY because of that, it's important to get that done while there's still an active need. Think about how those Myriad seats never got replaced, not once. How many of us sat on red duct tape seats? These are not anything close to as bad, but its a good chance to stay ahead of it so the new seats have a chance to have a good long life with the facility.

They mention the return of the big dance for basketball too. I can only imagine the opportunity once the new arena is there, for both Mens and Womens at the same time!!! And i'm thinking maybe they're putting the current scoreboard in storage so they have one to put back in there once the new one moves to the new arena? It's entirely possible though, that they just get a whole other new one for the new arena rather than taking it with them. New space, new lines, new needs, etc.

But i'm glad we're still keeping our short-term views active with a realistic vision, while still keeping our eyes on the long-term goals. This is honestly, one of the defining moments for OKC professional sports. How is OKC going to handle this first time that the team and the city say "hey we need this, so how will we pay for it". That public/private partnership has been a point of battles and lost teams in so many markets. I hope that everyone sees how important this all is.

the peake will be demoed not long after the new arena opens .

And i'm thinking maybe they're putting the current scoreboard in storage so they have one to put back in there once the new one moves to the new arena? .

The old video board has been repurposed to add more video boards around the arena.

the peake will be demoed not long after the new arena opens .

This is pretty well said

the peake will be demoed not long after the new arena opens .

I wouldn't bet on that. If that was the plan, we would have demod the Myriad a long time ago and just left the convention center side and added on to it instead of building a whole new structure.

I wouldn't bet on that. If that was the plan, we would have demod the Myriad a long time ago and just left the convention center side and added on to it instead of building a whole new structure.

lol it is the plan ... i am not guessing

lol it is the plan ... i am not guessing

Yeah just from a logical perspective it doesn't make sense to keep it. There are far fewer potential alternative uses for the Peak than there were for the the cox convention center after the new one was built. I would imagine building maintenance on it would be higher as well. If I were to guess...after the city realized that it would be decades before their original hypothetical plan to redevelop the cox site would be viable (especially after all the changes to office space needs post covid), they wanted to preserve the cox site for future use as the new arena location so they figured it was worth it to lease it to someone else for a years and continue operating it at a loss rather than knock it down and have the eyesore of a massive crater in the middle of downtown for an indefinite amount of time.

The Paycom site is smaller and should be easier to develop. It also wouldn't be near as big of an eyesore if it was an empty lot for a few years.

scoreboard will just get moved to the new arena ..

That would be my first guess. But than I started thinking it won't be an old board, but it also wouldn't be a new board either. Its a lot easier to get funding for yet another new score board when its mixed in with a new arena's capital budget.

That would be my first guess. But than I started thinking it won't be an old board, but it also wouldn't be a new board either. Its a lot easier to get funding for yet another new score board when its mixed in with a new arena's capital budget.

I would guess that it just depends on what technological developments in video boards happens between now and then. If it's negligible and it fits in with designs, it can just be moved to the next arena. If there's some worthwhile advance in displays between now and then, or the design works better with a new concept, maybe a new board makes sense.

But the components of a new scoreboard could also be repurposed in the new arena for the other displays around the venue, just like they did with the old display at paycom when the new video board was installed.

That's my thought too. it'll stay at the Peak and the new place will get whatever it needs for 5 years from now. I don't think the Peake is going to be dozes (although some seem very adamant about that).

That's my thought too. it'll stay at the Peak and the new place will get whatever it needs for 5 years from now. I don't think the Peake is going to be dozes (although some seem very adamant about that).

Agree, I think there will be a time ECHL AA hockey be on OKC's radar and the Paycom Center will be used much like BOK in Tulsa where the lower-bowl seating is used primarily for ice hockey especially once the new arena gets built.

With rivals Tulsa and Wichita, expect to see a return.

Paycom will be coming down in favor of new development. The talk of repurposing it for more events is a blind alley and a waste of everyone’s time and bandwidth. Believe it now or believe it later.

Paycom will be coming down in favor of new development. The talk of repurposing it for more events is a blind alley and a waste of everyone’s time and bandwidth. Believe it now or believe it later.

How would you know?

oh, wait...

That's my thought too. it'll stay at the Peak and the new place will get whatever it needs for 5 years from now. I don't think the Peake is going to be dozes (although some seem very adamant about that).

Based on what exactly?

Everyone here who most likely would have an idea of what is going to happen to it are the ones you reference who are adamant it will be razed fairly quickly.

Agree, I think there will be a time ECHL AA hockey be on OKC's radar and the Paycom Center will be used much like BOK in Tulsa where the lower-bowl seating is used primarily for ice hockey especially once the new arena gets built.

With rivals Tulsa and Wichita, expect to see a return.

LOL. On what planet do you think it makes sense to keep maintaining Paycom for a hypothetical AA hockey team instead of that team just using the lower bowl of the brand new arena across the street that only has 41 days guaranteed to be booked during the 4-5 months of a AA hockey season?

LOL. On what planet do you think it makes sense to keep maintaining Paycom for a hypothetical AA hockey team instead of that team just using the lower bowl of the brand new arena across the street that only has 41 days guaranteed to be booked during the 4-5 months of a AA hockey season?

Agreed. The PC will be knocked down and the land will almost certainly become vested in a shadowy local development group pursuant to a sweet heart deal with The City.

What kind of new development? Are the developers local or new to this market? Will the two acres fronting the blvd be included in the new development?

LOL. On what planet do you think it makes sense to keep maintaining Paycom for a hypothetical AA hockey team instead of that team just using the lower bowl of the brand new arena across the street that only has 41 days guaranteed to be booked during the 4-5 months of a AA hockey season?

My observation since the city has invested in upgrades (new seats and scoreboard). Besides, the new arena IMO will get its own scoreboard synced with the advertising rings that circle the new arena. You will probably see more lodge boxes with some suites in the new dig, with the bulk of seats in the lower bowl.

The Paycom Center (14,000 fixed seats) will also be good for PBR events too large for the new State Fair Coliseum (4,800 fixed seating capacity) which will be overbooked the first year it opens.

AA ECHL hockey IMO will offer an additional sport besides NBA; especially with rivals Tulsa and Wichita. You could use the same crew in the new arena with the Paycom Center if both arenas are in the same proximity. Also, look for a revival of the All College Tournament with the two arena option.

Like you said, keeping the Paycom open will be expensive; however, the longer it stays open (five years or longer) the more likely it will continue to be used b/c the city will have flexible booking with two arenas; both with updated amenities--something it didn't have with the antique Myriad. OKC Barons were a good brand of AAA hockey; poor management and bad arena IMO put a dagger in the heart of hockey. Plus, the new arena will open around 2027 or 2028.

OKC fans may be starved for something besides NBA ball. OKC could be a site for an NBA summer league using two arenas--centrally located makes it better suited than Sacramento or SLC.

Our attractiveness to bring in more jobs could see more added to my population estimates; especially since 20 of the 50 metros lost population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area Predict Raleigh & Oklahoma City will be larger than #40 MSA Milwaukee in 2030.--predict OKC's 'city population' will exceed 735,000 with over 1.625 million in the metro.

Agreed. The PC will be knocked down and the land will almost certainly become vested in a shadowy local development group pursuant to a sweet heart deal with The City.

Our city is locked into an agreement with the Omni; city will need future hotels like the Dream development which includes mix-use; some of the
Dream development qualifies for TIF except the hotel portion.

City will be in no hurry to demolish Paycom Arena once a new arena is built. We have land in the central core and near the OKANA development
ripe for development. Unless something like a major headquarters is relocating to OKC, the Paycom Center will continue to stand--much like
the Myriad 4-square blocks have stood for 20 years longer since opening Paycom Center Arena.

City will be in no hurry to demolish Paycom Arena once a new arena is built.

you should pay attention to those in the know

My observation since the city has invested in upgrades (new seats and scoreboard). Besides, the new arena IMO will get its own scoreboard synced with the advertising rings that circle the new arena. You will probably see more lodge boxes with some suites in the new dig, with the bulk of seats in the lower bowl.

The Paycom Center (14,000 fixed seats) will also be good for PBR events too large for the new State Fair Coliseum (4,800 fixed seating capacity) which will be overbooked the first year it opens.

AA ECHL hockey IMO will offer an additional sport besides NBA; especially with rivals Tulsa and Wichita. You could use the same crew in the new arena with the Paycom Center if both arenas are in the same proximity. Also, look for a revival of the All College Tournament with the two arena option.

Like you said, keeping the Paycom open will be expensive; however, the longer it stays open (five years or longer) the more likely it will continue to be used b/c the city will have flexible booking with two arenas; both with updated amenities--something it didn't have with the antique Myriad. OKC Barons were a good brand of AAA hockey; poor management and bad arena IMO put a dagger in the heart of hockey. Plus, the new arena will open around 2027 or 2028.

OKC fans may be starved for something besides NBA ball. OKC could be a site for an NBA summer league using two arenas--centrally located makes it better suited than Sacramento or SLC.

Our attractiveness to bring in more jobs could see more added to my population estimates; especially since 20 of the 50 metros lost population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area Predict Raleigh & Oklahoma City will be larger than #40 MSA Milwaukee in 2030.--predict OKC's 'city population' will exceed 735,000 with over 1.625 million in the metro.

None of that makes any sense. The city would want any and all of those events to be held in the near $1 Billion development they just invested in across the street. All of the new seats and technology added to Paycom (that will likely be at least 4-5 years old by then) can be sold and/or used elsewhere. We don't need two arenas and everyone here who has a clue has said it will be torn down shortly after the new arena opens.

None of that makes any sense. The city would want any and all of those events to be held in the near $1 Billion development they just invested in across the street. All of the new seats and technology added to Paycom (that will likely be at least 4-5 years old by then) can be sold and/or used elsewhere. We don't need two arenas and everyone here who has a clue has said it will be torn down shortly after the new arena opens.

I understand the financial concerns it will have keeping Paycom Center operational while we transition to the new arena. WE DON'T NEED A BILLION DOLLAR ARENA IN OKC, something in the $750 million range should keep us among top ten tier arenas in the NBA and top 50 MSA markets.

I can't help but think about the FFA event drawing 10,000 annual attendees that would have been better suited for a centrally located OKC going to Tulsa because our city couldn't guarantee a three year commitment. Granted, this isn't out-of-state money coming to our city; but to think we couldn't supply a major in-state convention benefiting our own state's FFA chapters; definitely a win for Tulsa.

True, we will have no trouble filling up the new arena which will not be to keen on ice hockey b/c of the condensation it creates being underneath the court. Our city deserves to have a choice in a variety of spectator sports. The new State Fair Coliseum has no plans for an ice rink or ice making equipment, also it's too small to support AA hockey and will be overbooked once it opens.

A billion dollars could buy OKC a quality state of the art $750 million NBA DT arena and a $291 million (includes $41 million MAPS 4 MPS), OKC could build a 40,000 seat single level multipurpose stadium capable of expansion and attracting MLS, USFL or XFL on the Oklahoma River near the OKANA Resort.

The FFA will want to return to OKC by the time the new arena is completed; we will have the same concerns about a 'three year commitment.' Will the FFA state chapters who favors a central location be turned down b/c our city can't make a longer term commitment. Think about the hotel nights in OKC lost on the FFA convention.

There's too much of MAPS' sales tax money invested in the Paycom Center; it's a shame that the total square footage wasn't an issue at the time the building was designed. The State's 5A and 6A basketball tournaments could be played in Paycom Center instead of Tulsa's Mabee Center or Norman's Lloyd Noble.

Recall, the NHL rejected OKC in 1997 expansion derby b/c the NHL thought we didn't have enough invested in our arena.

Unless you have been present for some conversation that says the city will absolutely tear down the PC, then i would suggest holding on that affirmation.

There are a lot of reasons to NOT tear it down. Keep in mind that the city is absolutely NOT going to sell or develop the land the PC is on now. We have a permanent land swap for rotating between arena locations next door to each other for the future. The city is not going to give that up only to have to buy land (at a premium) again in the near future. We're going to look at a new arena every what, 20-25 years? We aren't going to see the Myriad's grid restored for the same reason. That footprint may change from the sprawling concrete we see today, but not by as much as some people are trying to say.

So to the points above. As soon as the new arena opens, it opens with new arena pricing and the PC pricing gets downgraded for events. I wouldn't be surprised if things like smaller sports, graduations, etc. stay at the PC to get the lower rate. Same for the rodeos. For those events, they dont need the differences in sight lines that will be made specifically for basketball. The facility will have new chairs/etc. Not to mention the fact that the ability to host mens and womens regionals for the NCAA at the same time or potentially the SEC tourney (like KC did with the Big12) with it all downtown so both get the same access to a HIGH quality venue with hotels and activies/food/etc right there. That's a super big deal. Simliar to a NFL or college football stadium. It's not open for very many days a year, but when it is open, it's a big deal. Concessions will change and you'll see things reduced inside, but i would be absolutely shocked and amazed if it gets torn down.

Also, if it was being torn down in 5 years, we wouldn't have just bought new seats. That would have been redirected to the new arena. Can't, or more appropriately WONT) take those to the new building.

Unless you have been present for some conversation that says the city will absolutely tear down the PC, then i would suggest holding on that affirmation.

There are a lot of reasons to NOT tear it down. Keep in mind that the city is absolutely NOT going to sell or develop the land the PC is on now. We have a permanent land swap for rotating between arena locations next door to each other for the future. The city is not going to give that up only to have to buy land (at a premium) again in the near future. We're going to look at a new arena every what, 20-25 years? We aren't going to see the Myriad's grid restored for the same reason. That footprint may change from the sprawling concrete we see today, but not by as much as some people are trying to say.

So to the points above. As soon as the new arena opens, it opens with new arena pricing and the PC pricing gets downgraded for events. I wouldn't be surprised if things like smaller sports, graduations, etc. stay at the PC to get the lower rate. Same for the rodeos. For those events, they dont need the differences in sight lines that will be made specifically for basketball. The facility will have new chairs/etc. Not to mention the fact that the ability to host mens and womens regionals for the NCAA at the same time or potentially the SEC tourney (like KC did with the Big12) with it all downtown so both get the same access to a HIGH quality venue with hotels and activies/food/etc right there. That's a super big deal. Simliar to a NFL or college football stadium. It's not open for very many days a year, but when it is open, it's a big deal. Concessions will change and you'll see things reduced inside, but i would be absolutely shocked and amazed if it gets torn down.

Also, if it was being torn down in 5 years, we wouldn't have just bought new seats. That would have been redirected to the new arena. Can't, or more appropriately WONT) take those to the new building.

Ah yes, paying 2x the maintenance costs for arenas that serve the same purpose right next to each other, except only one will have an anchor tenant. Seems like a worthy business prospect.

As soon as the arena is funded and being built, there will be bids put out for that land. No city can, in good fiscal conscience, have 2 arenas, and only 1 having an anchor tenant. It is folly of a major order, and I doubt Holt would allow it.

Unless you have been present for some conversation that says the city will absolutely tear down the PC, then i would suggest holding on that affirmation.

There are a lot of reasons to NOT tear it down. Keep in mind that the city is absolutely NOT going to sell or develop the land the PC is on now. We have a permanent land swap for rotating between arena locations next door to each other for the future. The city is not going to give that up only to have to buy land (at a premium) again in the near future. We're going to look at a new arena every what, 20-25 years? We aren't going to see the Myriad's grid restored for the same reason. That footprint may change from the sprawling concrete we see today, but not by as much as some people are trying to say.

So to the points above. As soon as the new arena opens, it opens with new arena pricing and the PC pricing gets downgraded for events. I wouldn't be surprised if things like smaller sports, graduations, etc. stay at the PC to get the lower rate. Same for the rodeos. For those events, they dont need the differences in sight lines that will be made specifically for basketball. The facility will have new chairs/etc. Not to mention the fact that the ability to host mens and womens regionals for the NCAA at the same time or potentially the SEC tourney (like KC did with the Big12) with it all downtown so both get the same access to a HIGH quality venue with hotels and activies/food/etc right there. That's a super big deal. Simliar to a NFL or college football stadium. It's not open for very many days a year, but when it is open, it's a big deal. Concessions will change and you'll see things reduced inside, but i would be absolutely shocked and amazed if it gets torn down.

Also, if it was being torn down in 5 years, we wouldn't have just bought new seats. That would have been redirected to the new arena. Can't, or more appropriately WONT) take those to the new building.

Not Necessarily. Those seats are basically no more than a rounding error in the grand scheme of Billion Dollar sports ball arenas.

Not Necessarily. Those seats are basically no more than a rounding error in the grand scheme of Billion Dollar sports ball arenas.

Yeah, the new seats are just the cost of doing business. 5 years would be a decent run.

Unless you have been present for some conversation that says the city will absolutely tear down the PC, then i would suggest holding on that affirmation.

There are a lot of reasons to NOT tear it down. Keep in mind that the city is absolutely NOT going to sell or develop the land the PC is on now. We have a permanent land swap for rotating between arena locations next door to each other for the future. The city is not going to give that up only to have to buy land (at a premium) again in the near future. We're going to look at a new arena every what, 20-25 years? We aren't going to see the Myriad's grid restored for the same reason. That footprint may change from the sprawling concrete we see today, but not by as much as some people are trying to say.

So to the points above. As soon as the new arena opens, it opens with new arena pricing and the PC pricing gets downgraded for events. I wouldn't be surprised if things like smaller sports, graduations, etc. stay at the PC to get the lower rate. Same for the rodeos. For those events, they dont need the differences in sight lines that will be made specifically for basketball. The facility will have new chairs/etc. Not to mention the fact that the ability to host mens and womens regionals for the NCAA at the same time or potentially the SEC tourney (like KC did with the Big12) with it all downtown so both get the same access to a HIGH quality venue with hotels and activies/food/etc right there. That's a super big deal. Simliar to a NFL or college football stadium. It's not open for very many days a year, but when it is open, it's a big deal. Concessions will change and you'll see things reduced inside, but i would be absolutely shocked and amazed if it gets torn down.

Also, if it was being torn down in 5 years, we wouldn't have just bought new seats. That would have been redirected to the new arena. Can't, or more appropriately WONT) take those to the new building.

As a "starter arena", I'm fine with the fact that Paycom is going to be replaced after 25 years or so. But I would hope that this next one is going to have a longer lifespan.

Unless you have been present for some conversation that says the city will absolutely tear down the PC, then i would suggest holding on that affirmation.

There are a lot of reasons to NOT tear it down. Keep in mind that the city is absolutely NOT going to sell or develop the land the PC is on now. We have a permanent land swap for rotating between arena locations next door to each other for the future. The city is not going to give that up only to have to buy land (at a premium) again in the near future. We're going to look at a new arena every what, 20-25 years? We aren't going to see the Myriad's grid restored for the same reason. That footprint may change from the sprawling concrete we see today, but not by as much as some people are trying to say.

So to the points above. As soon as the new arena opens, it opens with new arena pricing and the PC pricing gets downgraded for events. I wouldn't be surprised if things like smaller sports, graduations, etc. stay at the PC to get the lower rate. Same for the rodeos. For those events, they dont need the differences in sight lines that will be made specifically for basketball. The facility will have new chairs/etc. Not to mention the fact that the ability to host mens and womens regionals for the NCAA at the same time or potentially the SEC tourney (like KC did with the Big12) with it all downtown so both get the same access to a HIGH quality venue with hotels and activies/food/etc right there. That's a super big deal. Simliar to a NFL or college football stadium. It's not open for very many days a year, but when it is open, it's a big deal. Concessions will change and you'll see things reduced inside, but i would be absolutely shocked and amazed if it gets torn down.

Also, if it was being torn down in 5 years, we wouldn't have just bought new seats. That would have been redirected to the new arena. Can't, or more appropriately WONT) take those to the new building.

lol. The city is definitely going to put out an RFP to redevelop the land. They aren’t going to keep a huge piece of vacant land or an obsolete arena in the middle of downtown around for 25-30 years, maybe longer, just for the potential to build another arena on it in the future. That is just laughable.

As a "starter arena", I'm fine with the fact that Paycom is going to be replaced after 25 years or so. But I would hope that this next one is going to have a longer lifespan.

Agreed. Its more than just being old why Paycom needs to be replaced. There is not enough land and it wasn't really designed in a way for expansion.

Either way there not going to keep Paycom around for 30 plus more years as a placeholder for a future new arena. I don't even think the site would be big enough if you demolished the hotel and parking garage next door.

Unless you have been present for some conversation that says the city will absolutely tear down the PC, then i would suggest holding on that affirmation...
Like I said before, believe me now or believe me later. Paycom will be torn down and the site redeveloped. I rarely make firm pronouncements/predictions of this type on this board, and pretty sure my record when doing so speaks for itself.

The Paycom area is a little over 13 acres. Directly to the west is the REHCO lot which I would guess is 25 acres (Hudson to Robinson and Reno to north of the bike path ROW) and then to the west of that another 12 acres or so. Do you think all three (old paycom, REHCO, lot to the west of REHCO) would be done at the same time?

Like I said before, believe me now or believe me later. Paycom will be torn down and the site redeveloped. I rarely make firm pronouncements/predictions of this type on this board, and pretty sure my record when doing so speaks for itself.

It's kind of humerous that people come on this board ostensibly to find out what is going on in the city, and then completely ignore or try to argue with the actual people who know and try to tell them.

I appreciate your candor and information you share. My advice is that you say it once and then let people believe what they want to believe... they will anyway.

The maintenance question came up a few times since my last comment. Folks, they can almost ignore the place for the next 15 years and not have to worry about it. We basically ignored the Myriad when it was the primary arena. lol. But in all seriousness, the maintenance costs on the place will drastically reduce when the demand for it falls out.

Hell if they dozed it the day after the other arena opened, ok. But my point is, i don't see the city selling the land or putting something in on that land that they aren't willing to toss later. Maybe we create a new Thunder Alley or some other sort of "thing" to have outdoor events. That's easily removed when the next arena comes along.

More than keeping the arena itself, i think it's more about keeping the land. And if the city sells it off, they're not making a good decision there. Because they paid early 1990's crappy downtown market rates for what's now prime real estate. The next time they want to build an arena, it's going to cost a LOT more to get the same amount of land. That's when people start asking if downtown is the right place to build next time and all the downtown death that comes after that starts. Yeah that's a bit of a big statement, but i'm just trying to pain part of the argument for why I wouldn't suggest doing that.

By the way, props to the Paycom for the most recent bookings of Disturbed/Falling in Reverse, Turnpike Troubadours/Jason Isbell, Tool and NF. I know two people from Dallas coming up for Disturbed and Tool (a week apart) and I think I am going as well. It has been a while since I have been to a concert at the Paycom.

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I have a friend coming down from Wichita for Tool, and I believe he will also be joining me for a Thunder game either the night before or the night after. He'll be staying two nights, probably at The National. Eating meals here, possibly shopping some. Paying room tax and sales tax...OUR taxes. Paid for by someone from another city. There is a microcosm of the type of economic impact an arena brings to our city.

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I have a friend coming down from Wichita for Tool, and I believe he will also be joining me for a Thunder game either the night before or the night after. He'll be staying two nights, probably at The National. Eating meals here, possibly shopping some. Paying room tax and sales tax...OUR taxes. Paid for by someone from another city. There is a microcosm of the type of economic impact an arena brings to our city.

My friend from Dallas works remotely and she was just thinking about getting an airbnb for the week and making it a little trip. She went to OU and would spend time down there as well. But (and this is a big argument that a lot of people aren't going to like) if those concerts weren't coming to OKC, she wouldn't just be going out to other concerts and spending that money elsewhere. She would have just stayed home.

My friend from Dallas works remotely and she was just thinking about getting an airbnb for the week and making it a little trip. She went to OU and would spend time down there as well. But (and this is a big argument that a lot of people aren't going to like) if those concerts weren't coming to OKC, she wouldn't just be going out to other concerts and spending that money elsewhere. She would have just stayed home.

But how can that be? We've been assured repeatedly by other posters and one of our city councilmen that 10.000 to 18,000 people would absolutely travel to hangout downtown on any given night regardless of whether there were events at the arena to draw them there?!?

But how can that be? We've been assured repeatedly by other posters and one of our city councilmen that 10.000 to 18,000 people would absolutely travel to hangout downtown on any given night regardless of whether there were events at the arena to draw them there?!?

Their brains are leaking out their ears. I solved the problem for you. Some people have a one tract mind that is incapable of nuance.

But how can that be? We've been assured repeatedly by other posters and one of our city councilmen that 10.000 to 18,000 people would absolutely travel to hangout downtown on any given night regardless of whether there were events at the arena to draw them there?!?

It has been a while and a lot has been added downtown, but when I worked at a hotel downtown and the Thunder were in the Playoffs the city was packed and booming. After the season was over it was crickets. That being said the convention center still brought in a ton of out-of-towners. Anytime we build something that brings people in more often, it will be good for the city.

Apparently Empire Slice House is opening at the arena.