I could see this being true in markets where there are a ton of major entertainment events from which to choose on a daily basis. However, this just isn't the case in Oklahoma. You'd be hard pressed to come up with another entertainment option in the state of Oklahoma where you could spend the same amount of money in a year as people do on season tickets. But let's give it a shot. An average season ticket price is $47.15 (OKC Thunder: Season-ticket prices going up for 2013-14 season | News OK (http://newsok.com/okc-thunder-season-ticket-prices-going-up-for-2013-14-season/article/3757349)) or $1980.30 for a 42 game season (41 home games and a preseason game). So, if you were going to spend that money elsewhere on tickets to entertainment in Oklahoma City, you'd have to:

- Go to 249.7 movies with an average ticket price of $7.93 (NATO | Statistics | Average U.S. Ticket Prices (http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm))

- Go to the zoo 247.53 times with adult admission at $8 (- Oklahoma City Zoo (http://www.okczoo.com/hours-and-admission/))

- Go to the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum 158.42 times with an adult admission of $12.50 (Plan Your Visit! (http://www.nationalcowboymuseum.org/info/planning/default.aspx))

- Go to the Science Museum 165.71 times with adult admission at $11.95 (Tickets | Science Museum Oklahoma (http://www.sciencemuseumok.org/tickets.html))

- Go to Frontier City or White Water 73.37 times (or just buy 28 season passes) (https://www.frontiercity.com/buy-tickets/daily-admission/)

- Go to 62 average concerts or see Paul McCartney 14 times (Digital Music News - The Average Price for a Concert Ticket? $31.57... (http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/050511ticket))

- Buy 2.75 Red Hawks season tickets (field seats) (http://www.milb.com/documents/2011/10/26/25796902/1/OKC-10950_Ticket_Package_Field_Seat.pdf)

- Buy 2.26 "Blue Level" season tickets to the Barons (OKC Barons | The Official Site of The Oklahoma City Barons (http://www.okcbarons.com/index.cfm?fa=seasontickets))

- Go to the OKCMOA 165 times (Hours and Admissions :: OKCMOA (http://www.okcmoa.com/visit/hours-and-admissions/))

Feel free to add to this list.

So, as you can see, if the average season ticket holder was spending $2000 a year on tickets to entertainment events before they bought thunder tickets, it would be pretty freakin amazing if all of these events were in Oklahoma City. Now if the equivalent of Disney World, LegoLand, Six Flags, Sea World, the Staples Center, and Broadway were in Oklahoma City along with multiple major league franchises, then yeah, that $2000 would probably represent a shift away from somewhere else. But I seriously doubt any Thunder ticket holder has gone to 200+ movies in a year...

You are only counting entertainment dollars spent on Thunder games on a season-level only. Lots and lots of people go to single games or a handful of games each season. These people would have or could have spent their dollars elsewhere.

Example: Instead of going to the movies they went to a Thunder game. Instead of going to an OU game they went to a Thunder game, instead of the casino..etc.. And it is surely not just event/attraction-related dollars being spent on Thunder games. Dollars from other areas most certainly have been spent on Thunder games. Instead of going to eat out at Del Rancho, instead of instead of buying that video game, instead of buying that jet ski, settling for a lesser vehicle than they could have bought, buying that new computer, etc..

And they have definitely been people that did things the wrong way and instead of taking care of what should be taken care of went to a Thunder game instead. Examples of that: putting off getting the brakes fixed, not paying that electric in full and on time, putting off buying their kid a decent coat, etc..

Lots and lots of dollars surely went to Thunder games instead of other areas.

What's the point of your theatre comment? Weight joke? Something else?

No, I'm sorry. All I am saying is that we shouldn't expect the seats at arenas to be like our recliners at home....but pointing out there are exceptions like Penn Sq. AMC. Every football stadium, basketball arena, etc. I have gone too feels cramped to me and I am 5'11" and not heavy. It's just the way EVERY major venue seems to be. I would love big spacious seats with elbow room, but they aren't out there. And flying is worse...my last trip to was 8 hours to Europe and all I could get was a coach standard seat in the main cabin and I don't think I could move my legs for a week.

You are only counting entertainment dollars spent on Thunder games on a season-level only. Lots and lots of people go to single games or a handful of games each season. These people would have or could have spent their dollars elsewhere.

Example: Instead of going to the movies they went to a Thunder game. Instead of going to an OU game they went to a Thunder game, instead of the casino..etc.. And it is surely not just event/attraction-related dollars being spent on Thunder games. Dollars from other areas most certainly have been spent on Thunder games. Instead of going to eat out at Del Rancho, instead of instead of buying that video game, instead of buying that jet ski, settling for a lesser vehicle than they could have bought, buying that new computer, etc..

And they have definitely been people that did things the wrong way and instead of taking care of what should be taken care of went to a Thunder game instead. Examples of that: putting off getting the brakes fixed, not paying that electric in full and on time, putting off buying their kid a decent coat, etc..

Lots and lots of dollars surely went to Thunder games instead of other areas.

You can say that about everthing in the world of economics and business. The question is does an activity or business bring more value to the community. A Thunder game certainly has a greater chance of increasing the size of the economy by making the area more actractive to businesses than a guy eating a bag of chips he bought at Walmart sitting on his couch watching a movie he rented at redbox.

Its just like how a new Walmart can also revitalized an area when other businesses build around that Walmart.

The biggest impact is probably the amount spent on those coming from out of town. I know several who come in from smaller towns in Oklahoma, as well as Tulsa and Wichita. They weren't going to come here and spend money 40 nights a year without the Thunder. Add in 1000 or so room nights from the visiting team and media (expensive room nights). Add traffic through the airport. Add national advertising on local stations. Add taxes paid. Etc., etc.

You are only counting entertainment dollars spent on Thunder games on a season-level only. Lots and lots of people go to single games or a handful of games each season. These people would have or could have spent their dollars elsewhere.

Example: Instead of going to the movies they went to a Thunder game. Instead of going to an OU game they went to a Thunder game, instead of the casino..etc.. And it is surely not just event/attraction-related dollars being spent on Thunder games. Dollars from other areas most certainly have been spent on Thunder games. Instead of going to eat out at Del Rancho, instead of instead of buying that video game, instead of buying that jet ski, settling for a lesser vehicle than they could have bought, buying that new computer, etc..

And they have definitely been people that did things the wrong way and instead of taking care of what should be taken care of went to a Thunder game instead. Examples of that: putting off getting the brakes fixed, not paying that electric in full and on time, putting off buying their kid a decent coat, etc..

Lots and lots of dollars surely went to Thunder games instead of other areas.

No doubt the comparison has its specious qualities, but I wanted to limit as many variables as possible, so I limited it to specifically ticket sales. And, because the original qualifaction specifically mentioned "entertainment dollars", I included only entertainment expenses. I chose season tickets because they account for roughly 14,000 of the tickets sold for each game, or about 75% of capacity and we readily know the average price of those tickets. Certainly no economic analysis can capture the opportunity cost of every dollar spent on Thunder games. Surly, and logically, many many people have shifted their dollars from other areas to go to Thunder games. But even in those cases, we know that those dollars, along with most of the tangential spending associated with going to a game like food, drinks, lodging, parking, etc., were spent in Oklahoma City and that's really the key here.

The population of Oklahoma City is half that of the entire metro and about 16% of the state (Oklahoma City metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_metropolitan_area), https://www.google.com/search?q=population+of+oklahoma+city&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a, https://www.google.com/search?q=population+of+oklahoma+city&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a). A lot of those people outside of Oklahoma City will buy food, video games, cars, jet skis, and computers outside of the city. But there is only one place they can go to see a Thunder game. So again, while they may be shifting it from other purchases, many are also shifting it to Oklahoma City. My obviously over simplified analysis was more to highlight that in Oklahoma City, as opposed to other larger markets with more high profile entertainment options readily available, the Thunder creates an economic demand for entertainment and tourist dollars within Oklahoma City on a scale that does not exist anywhere else in the city or state, with the possible exception of the horse show circuit. All things being equal, there certainly would be diminishing returns as more high profile attractions are added, but even that would only be the case if the city's and state's population and wealth remained flat or declined.

You'd have to analyze the budgets of every person who bought a season ticket to satisfy every possibility. Is the positive economic impact as good as the best projections? Probably not. But when you really begin to look at it, it becomes very hard to support an argument that it has had a negative impact for the city of Oklahoma City.

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In my opinion the new Chesapeake Arena sign they installed on the new grand entrance is very underwhelming.
It's all black set on a dark backdrop of the new glass, and you really can't even see it!

In my opinion the new Chesapeake Arena sign they installed on the new grand entrance is very underwhelming.
It's all black set on a dark backdrop of the new glass, and you really can't even see it!

It is a little odd they did not do something to stylistically get a similar metal background behind the tops of the letters to make it show off more evenly but it is not intended to be seen miles off while driving highway speeds, it looks like it's design could be part of the effort to have nicer signage downtown for pedestrians.

It will probably pop at night with the lighting.

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http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3686/9362294449_d016de17b1_b.jpgThese pics would look a lot better if that billboard wasn't there and the utility lines were buried. Does anyone know if they are going to do that with the new boulevard?

Unfortunately, the overhead shots make the additions feel even more like an afterthought. Like they got slapped on later...like they did. Too bad they couldn't be more incorporated into the flow of the building. Maybe complete the wrapping a bit more to connect to the existing entrance structure. But hey, they got the cash they got and that's it. Do what you can with what you get right? The place is still a great arena.

Unfortunately, the overhead shots make the additions feel even more like an afterthought. Like they got slapped on later...like they did. Too bad they couldn't be more incorporated into the flow of the building. Maybe complete the wrapping a bit more to connect to the existing entrance structure. But hey, they got the cash they got and that's it. Do what you can with what you get right? The place is still a great arena.

I kind of think the decision to go with the glass and metal look was probably misguided. IMO, that's what gives it the "add-on" look more than anything. But I agree the guts to this place are very nice and, really, that's what matters most.

More tha anything, development is still years away on the south side. By the time people start seeing it from that angle regularly we'll be talking about a new arena.

More tha anything, development is still years away on the south side. By the time people start seeing it from that angle regularly we'll be talking about a new arena.

And even when the south side is developed, I still bet there will always be a higher concentration of restaurants and bars to the north, meaning the north side entrance will always get as much or more of the foot traffic. I do think placement was based on what might be instead of what is. Probably not the best way to do it, imo.

I just noticed the new Chesapeake Energy Arena sign on the SW (new entry) side of the building lights up at night. Is this something new and was this always in the plans? Here is a photo I shot of the lighted sign tonight.
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I had said from the very beginning, a long time ago once the building showed signs of being finished; that I was disappointed with it in that it did NOT integrate with the rest of the building unlike the renderings which showed it would. I totally agree with BDP that it looks like an afterthought and could/should have been designed to better front Robinson (at least). There could have been another addition to front the boulevard once that got into play but as BDP said, I seriously doubt the boulevard side would ever see that much usage given the boulevard will be, a boulevard (no out-front parking) and people likely will be walking from the action from the North to the arena (and likely would just use the existing entrances. It appears the new section was really ONLY about office space, so why didn't they just add on a vertical tower there fronting Robinson and call it done? Likely might have been cheaper and they could have leased space to more than just the NBA team (and by doing so recovered some of the cost and perhaps built all of the amenities that were dropped).

The southwest entrance is suppose to integrate with the park as well as the boulevard. I think that once those delayed projects are completed it will look less out of place.

You can say that about everthing in the world of economics and business. The question is does an activity or business bring more value to the community. A Thunder game certainly has a greater chance of increasing the size of the economy by making the area more actractive to businesses than a guy eating a bag of chips he bought at Walmart sitting on his couch watching a movie he rented at redbox.

Its just like how a new Walmart can also revitalized an area when other businesses build around that Walmart.

I like this...if it wasn't for the guy (and the thousands like him) that buy their chips at Walmart (instead of going to a Thunder game), Walmart wouldn't have been able to build that store that revitalized an area where the other businesses built around it.

In a related issue on the P180 thread, someone took me to task for wanting what was pitched/rendered. In this case, for the most part, we got what was pitched. Yes some things were cut when revenue didn't meet projections and how many years are they behond schedule on this (is it finished now)??

Also, it looks like Thunder tickets will be near impossible to get. I heard someone say that you can't go up to the ticket office anymore and buy tickets for upcoming and games and you have to buy them online meaning Loud City (used to be $10-$35) now sell for $50 and up.

I believe the league requires teams to hold back 1,000 tickets to sell the day of the game. They also give away 100 tickets in a lottery the day of the game. But otherwise most seats are sold to season ticket holders and there's a waiting list to purchase season tickets.

So is there a chance that when I got next month, I can purchase a ticket to a future game or not?

Also, it looks like Thunder tickets will be near impossible to get. I heard someone say that you can't go up to the ticket office anymore and buy tickets for upcoming and games and you have to buy them online meaning Loud City (used to be $10-$35) now sell for $50 and up.

Not true buddy... Loud City tickets can be had for $17.00 and there are still some available...

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So is there a chance that when I got next month, I can purchase a ticket to a future game or not?

There's a chance you can purchase a ticket to a game the same day. For some of the games with less desirable teams you can get reasonable tickets ahead of time on the ticket exchange. For games with good or great teams, it's unusual to find a ticket at face value. The person who sits next to me frequently sells tickets to big name regular season games like the Heat and Lakers for 5 times their face value. Me - I don't want to miss those games and so I just sigh when I think about how much money I could make.

Yea it is crazy. Especially with a team that makes playoffs regularly... You can pay for your season tickets in a couple rounds of playoffs. But then again playoff games in the 'Peake are something to behold. I have yet to give up my playoffs tickets unless it was impossible for me to attend.

Unless you're trying to see the Thunder play an elite team, tickets can be had on stubhub for $20-30 regularly.

Unless you're trying to see the Thunder play an elite team, tickets can be had on stubhub for $20-30 regularly.

It's the BEST Ticket in Town! ...and I'm including Kansas / Missouri (equal to St. Louis Cardinals ) / Arkansas / Texas ... you bet. This kind of NBA Finals product in our backyard....pretty hot seat for a $20 dollar bill .???

And even when the south side is developed, I still bet there will always be a higher concentration of restaurants and bars to the north, meaning the north side entrance will always get as much or more of the foot traffic. I do think placement was based on what might be instead of what is. Probably not the best way to do it, imo.

Yeah, the south side needs to have some ( very nice well light w/ planters ) parking lots for the interim. When the Central Park / Convention / & Hotel get placed, then they can incorporate that into their plans. The BLVD needs to get started now. I have seen some great ideas for the BLVD by Friends of the BLVD, and it looks great to me. Start pour'n concrete.

Yeah, the south side needs to have some ( very nice well light w/ planters ) parking lots for the interim. When the Central Park / Convention / & Hotel get placed, then they can incorporate that into their plans. The BLVD needs to get started now. I have seen some great ideas for the BLVD by Friends of the BLVD, and it looks great to me. Start pour'n concrete.

If you start pour'n concrete now, then nearly every great idea you've seen from the Friends for a Better Boulevard will be negated.

You're being very unrealistic with the process of development. You would do good to remember that once something is built, it takes a whole lot more resources (including time) to fix the problems than to take the time up front to build it the best we can.

If you start pour'n concrete now, then nearly every great idea you've seen from the Friends for a Better Boulevard will be negated.

You're being very unrealistic with the process of development. You would do good to remember that once something is built, it takes a whole lot more resources (including time) to fix the problems than to take the time up front to build it the best we can.

...sorta. Yes, we knew that anything that the ODOT was going to offer was always going to be "vanilla & ...outdated". (no offense ODOT, but your "bank of creativity, is empty") We knew this going in. So getting a Better Design in is Easy. I have seen a couple of ideas from one on this Blog, that was outstanding. Now the problem lies w/ this: It always takes 90 / 120 for bad ideas to "take a seat'. They just seem to linger around and slow things down. Let's just pick the BEST, and expedite this thing now.

Unless you're trying to see the Thunder play an elite team, tickets can be had on stubhub for $20-30 regularly.

You must use a different stubhub than I do. Tickets even in the remote upper sections went for way more than that last year. I hope you are right, but I doubt it.

You must use a different stubhub than I do. Tickets even in the remote upper sections went for way more than that last year. I hope you are right, but I doubt it.

This.

Rover's right. $10 face tickets usually went for around $45 or higher on StubHub, unless the game was truly a stinker. Actually, by comparison higher-priced tickets went closer to face value (by percentage over face as opposed to strictly dollar amount).

Game 2 of the NBA Finals 2 seasons back, I sold my club level seat, normally 80 bucks, but finals price was 146.50, for 1,125.00 each. $2,250.00 for the pair, on stubhub. I wish we'd make it to the finals again.

I'm going to the Pre-Season game next Tuesday and I'm hoping I can get tickets for future games but it looks like that's impossible now since they are few Loud City tickets on Ticketmaster and now the new "re-sale" option the tickets are doubled the face value.

I was lucky to get playoff tickets in Loud City for $50 on ticketmaster. The previous year, the cheapest ticket for a first round game was $150.

I'm going to the Pre-Season game next Tuesday and I'm hoping I can get tickets for future games but it looks like that's impossible now since they are few Loud City tickets on Ticketmaster and now the new "re-sale" option the tickets are doubled the face value.

I was lucky to get playoff tickets in Loud City for $50 on ticketmaster. The previous year, the cheapest ticket for a first round game was $150.


for pretty much any non premium game (knicks heat lakers ect) you can buy tickets from scalpers .. right at tip for face value .. or below ..

for pretty much any non premium game (knicks heat lakers ect) you can buy tickets from scalpers .. right at tip for face value .. or below ..

This. If you don't mind missing the first minute of the game you can get deeply discounted seats off the street. I've sat 10 rows back behind the goal for a Thunder - Suns game for <$45 a seat.

To echo everyone else, go to the SE corner of Reno and EKG and wait til the game starts. You can get decent tix for cheap from scalpers just wanting to get rid of them

Trust BoulderSooner on this. I've seen him do it many times.

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I'm surprised there's no an arena-affiliated valet option for $30-$50 if people want near-doorstep service. Not saying we shouldn't have such a thing, just surprised there's not something like that already. I know Park House and Colcord, and Courtyard do valet, but I mean something truly affiliated with the arena...

I'm surprised there's no an arena-affiliated valet option for $30-$50 if people want near-doorstep service. Not saying we shouldn't have such a thing, just surprised there's not something like that already. I know Park House and Colcord, and Courtyard do valet, but I mean something truly affiliated with the arena...

Probably because retrieval of the car after the game would be darn near impossible.

I'm probably wrong about this, but if I were to guess, I would suspect that those using such a service would be the ones leaving early whether we're winning or losing anyway... so they probably wouldn't have as much of an issue. But I agree with you it would be nightmare after the game...

The best solution to getting to your car (or wherever) quickly after the game is to wait until ten minutes after the game ends. TEN MINUTES. And if you want to avoid traffic, drive two to four blocks west of EK Gaylord. The only traffic you will find is the occasional transient shuffling across the street. Meanwhile, people are sitting exasperated and despondent in gridlock on Broadway or Walnut. It's actually comical.

Yeah I couldn't believe the number of people stuck at a standstill in Bricktown Saturday night after the game because of the route they chose. I definitely would not have recommended going that way.

Yeah I couldn't believe the number of people stuck at a standstill in Bricktown Saturday night after the game because of the route they chose. I definitely would not have recommended going that way.

I tell friends to park over in the CBD. All meters are off and you can walk about 5 minutes over to the Peake. Free parking and little to no traffic.

If you don't want to park on the street you can park in the City Center East garage by Devon for 5 bucks.

I'm surprised there's no an arena-affiliated valet option for $30-$50 if people want near-doorstep service. Not saying we shouldn't have such a thing, just surprised there's not something like that already. I know Park House and Colcord, and Courtyard do valet, but I mean something truly affiliated with the arena...

I know several tenants that sell items in the Peake. They cannot stand SMG the management company for the arena. The workers they have are not good people. I would assume SMG would be in charge of the valet as well.

I tell friends to park over in the CBD. All meters are off and you can walk about 5 minutes over to the Peake. Free parking and little to no traffic.

If you don't want to park on the street you can park in the City Center East garage by Devon for 5 bucks.

We always parked just west of Devon, usually off main just off Hudson. I have never had an issue getting out of DT. Even better, its completely free. Of course I did have to walk *GASP* 10 whole minutes.

One time after a game we did walk over to Sonic just to grab bite and I couldn't believe how ridiculous traffic was on Reno. People honking and yelling, just unbelievable. It surprised me because unless you are going to 35 southbound there are far better ways to get to the interstate. Same with Broadway...just take Robinson or Hudson. Sheesh people.

In order for the Peake to remain in peak shape, can you all think of anything that can be done to keep it for another 12-15 years? I personally think it needs some more outside appeal. It is not ugly but by no means a nice looking arena. I wish it had more of a modern look to it or some cool changes to the brick that would give it some great detail.

Once inside, I think it looks great. The one thing that it needs and I am not sure if it can be done is more suites. It needs another level of suites but not sure if that is possible. Does anyone have more input on these two things and what they would do or can be done. I think time will come, if KD and WB do re-sign that we need to make that move. If they leave, well I don't want to even imagine that scenario.

In order for the Peake to remain in peak shape, can you all think of anything that can be done to keep it for another 12-15 years? I personally think it needs some more outside appeal. It is not ugly but by no means a nice looking arena. I wish it had more of a modern look to it or some cool changes to the brick that would give it some great detail.

Once inside, I think it looks great. The one thing that it needs and I am not sure if it can be done is more suites. It needs another level of suites but not sure if that is possible. Does anyone have more input on these two things and what they would do or can be done. I think time will come, if KD and WB do re-sign that we need to make that move. If they leave, well I don't want to even imagine that scenario.

It's not a masterpiece on the outside but I would definitely say it is a nice looking arena. We don't even get to utilize the new front entrance until the boulevard is done, so let's wait until we can take full advantage of the last renovation before seriously considering another. Some things that could be done on the outside would be to include the outdoor-terraces that never made it as part of the MAPS for NBA renovation. Those would have been a really nice touch.

Honestly, I don't think we should sink too much more money into it. Put it on the maps 4 ballot for a new $800 million arena 300 million of which should be provided by the thunder. Make it the last project in 4 to get funding. Should be 2030 by that point and cheseapeake is 30 years old. Now once the money is ready build something state of the art like sacramento's new arena.

In order for the Peake to remain in peak shape, can you all think of anything that can be done to keep it for another 12-15 years?

Blinding, obnoxious lighting? A 48-story addition with sky bridges to every downtown structure?

I'm not sure the pad site will allow for much to be done on the outside. We just slapped on about as much in terms of additions that can be done. You can't alter the bowl (ie adding a level of suites), but I don't think OKC would be able to properly support those anyway. Doubling the number in our market would oversaturate it. Think how often there are empty ones during all kinds of events.

In comparison to the rest of the league, it's still a nice facility inside AND out. Brick isn't something that is often done, but was purposely done in OKC because of the proximity to Bricktown. now, if you don't like that brick, you could pretty easily slap on a metal/glass façade, but it doesn't really DO anything that put a new dress on the ole girl.

And this thing is gonna be around for 25 more years people. I'll stand by that prediction. It's going to be the primary arena for OKC for that long for sure. The number of people even talking about a replacement are so small, it's not really worth proposing. And you absolutely will NOT get it approved in a MAPs program. Even if you toss the Myriad (which isn't going anywhere for 10 years....and i'll stand by that too), most people don't see any reason to pay for a new one. We're now in the spot where most cities with a pro team are....we have a perfectly good arena, why would we want to pay for a new one just to bulldoze this one? With no hockey now, we don't even have a secondary team to use the place.....just some dinosaur shows.

The Peake is not lacking at this point. I would not mind seeing something creative that adds some height to it. On the top only though. and that could be done in the next 5 years.

If it had a metal exposed frame on top with more lighting. ???

We need to continue to add to the life of all the adjacent properties and make this a destination point for the outside fan / traveler.

The Peake is not lacking at this point. I would not mind seeing something creative that adds some height to it. On the top only though. and that could be done in the next 5 years.

If it had a metal exposed frame on top with more lighting. ???

We need to continue to add to the life of all the adjacent properties and make this a destination point for the outside fan / traveler.

I think that would be a good addition. I also think doing some much more detailed accents on the brick would make a huge difference in outside appearance. It needs to have some personality that matches the personality inside. It is not ugly but it just looks very basic.

I think that would be a good addition. I also think doing some much more detailed accents on the brick would make a huge difference in outside appearance. It needs to have some personality that matches the personality inside. It is not ugly but it just looks very basic.

Bingo. Basic is not a bad word, it just means it could use some added features. OKC & The Thunder could continue to win in this place for the next 25 years. At that time, there may be be other options that need to be addressed.

I'm realizing that if the word doc is your screen name, you want taller buildings no matter how silly said taller buildings would be or look.

Holy crap he's responding to himself now.

Holy crap he's responding to himself now.

He did that a lot when he was posting at OKVision4U.

I think that would be a good addition. I also think doing some much more detailed accents on the brick would make a huge difference in outside appearance. It needs to have some personality that matches the personality inside. It is not ugly but it just looks very basic.

There really should have been some better choices made with the brick colors they use, they are fine on their own but do not go that well together, but that horse is already out of the barn.