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Meaning operating subsidy, I take it? Would make sense.

Yes. It's funded by a huge BID as part of the 3rd Ward.

And it really struggled in the beginning. I think it is doing better these days.

If we are going to subsidize the surrounding development, we might as well shoot for the moon and get something ike this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_District

This might be a waste of the space, but my dream for this area would be to recreate a small historic district with 1, 2, and 3 story brick buildings, etc. (much like what was lost during urban renewal). Maybe even mimic some of the iconic OKC buildings that were lost during that time, at least on the facade side.

Cool storefronts on the ground floor with loft apartments on the upper floors.

I believe this would be incredible placed between the Myriad Gardens and Scissortail Park and would add a lot of charm to the area and more housing downtown. Great infill.

I feel like more and more people are looking for these kinds of step-back-in-time experiences (think downtown Guthrie), although I recognize the new build facet of it might make it seem cheap.

Just a thought.

This is similar to what I envisioned in this model I made. Many conceptual buildings visible but I also modeled many downtown buildings that were demolished (Baum Building visible at bottom, the Biltmore, and a row of buildings that once stood along Broadway).
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This is similar to what I envisioned in this model I made. Many conceptual buildings visible but I also modeled many downtown buildings that were demolished (Baum Building visible at bottom, the Biltmore, and a row of buildings that once stood along Broadway).
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If only......

This is similar to what I envisioned in this model I made. Many conceptual buildings visible but I also modeled many downtown buildings that were demolished (Baum Building visible at bottom, the Biltmore, and a row of buildings that once stood along Broadway).
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That is great!

If we are going to subsidize the surrounding development, we might as well shoot for the moon and get something ike this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_District

OKC IMO should look at Edmonton's plan which is a massive $2.5 billion development. Although our city's $1 billion arena will anchor the development--we don't have the 25 acres afforded to Edmonton.

There is room for a few mixed-use developments where one could tower as high as 20 stories. This is where Pete's arena-stadium type district would come into play--especially those parking lots next to the new arena site could be home for mixed-use development.

For anyone curious, the REHCO land is 11.5 acres, not including the streets and alleys. The current arena (not including the hotel or parking garage to the east) is 13.17 acres. That about 25 acres between those two areas that happen to be across the street from each other.

Does anyone think the MR guys will build on this or is it more likely they will sell the land to a private developer who will build something on it?

Don’t forget the current Paycom site. Paycom will 100% be demolished when the new building opens. There is a ton of property in play here.

We have had the same REHCO conversation for years. If a new $1B across the street won't push them to develop something special, then what will? The REHCO site is already probably the most valuable piece of land in the whole state. And now its about to become even more valuable. Sadly, I have a feeling part of it is just going to end up being a parking garage.

I think Midtown Renaissance and REHCO are not merged at the level to be considered interchangeable in discussion. I think Midtown Renaissance is primarily Bob Howard and Mickey Clagg, with others involved at some level. I think the REHCO properties are primarily Bob Howard and the Hall family (Fred Jones companies, Hall Capital, etc.), with others involved. I think I heard that REHCO was put together as a result of the Ford Auto Collection experiment from around the year 2000, and the Halls and Howard teamed up to buy (or retain) the Fred Jones properties downtown, plus the Edmond area property that used to be Gwartney Ford, and currently houses Mercedes-Benz, Sprinter and Volvo of OKC.

I'm guessing everyone in the Thunder ownership group will want to participate in the development of the newly available space.

Don’t forget the current Paycom site. Paycom will 100% be demolished when the new building opens. There is a ton of property in play here.

That's what I was referencing when I said "current arena" in the post above yours. I would love to see a Texas Live type of development on the current arena site and then a mixed-use development on the REHCO site. One can dream...

Don’t forget the current Paycom site. Paycom will 100% be demolished when the new building opens. There is a ton of property in play here.

That's unfortunate. I loved it when the Big XII could put the men's bball tourney at Chesapeake and the women's bball tourney at Cox... could walk back and forth. Plus, OKC could get some of the bigger concerts during Thunder season, instead of them all going to the BOK in Tulsa.

That's unfortunate. I loved it when the Big XII could put the men's bball tourney at Chesapeake and the women's bball tourney at Cox... could walk back and forth. Plus, OKC could get some of the bigger concerts during Thunder season, instead of them all going to the BOK in Tulsa.

The men's and women's tournaments haven't been returned here so I doubt if it was all that important to the conference and I doubt the SEC will be any different.

How many big concert dates in the last year clashed with the Thunder and made Tulsa the only option? Not many, if any at all, I would guess.

The men's and women's tournaments haven't been returned here so I doubt if it was all that important to the conference and I doubt the SEC will be any different.

How many big concert dates in the last year clashed with the Thunder and made Tulsa the only option? Not many, if any at all, I would guess.

I know it has been repeated that OKC can't afford two arenas; however if we could juggle the services of Paycom Center and the new downtown Paycom Thunderdome arena--just imagine the concerts and large gatherings you could book in our city.

Wouldn't be so quick to discount Oklahoma City's chances of hosting any future SEC men and women's basketball tournaments. Don't see any evidence that OKC will be quick to demolish the current Paycom Center once the Paycom Thunderdome opens.

As beautiful as Austin is the SEC will want to have one of the schools (OU/UT) cities host an SEC event, OKC (IMO) would be better suited to host the SEC Tournaments once the new arena is built; hopefully, we'll have one more hotel added to OKC's portfolio by then.

Plus, OKC could get some of the bigger concerts during Thunder season, instead of them all going to the BOK in Tulsa.

Between now and April (end of the regular season), Paycom has 14 non-sports related performance acts booked. In the same time frame, looks like BOK has 8, maybe 10 depending on how you count the worship shows. BOK hosts a AA hockey team during that time, too.

In 2022, Paycom was in the top 40 of arena concert ticket sales according to Pollstar, hosting around 35 concerts, I think. There are arenas that have multiple major league tenants that host even more shows than that a year.

I know it has been repeated that OKC can't afford two arenas; however if we could juggle the services of Paycom Center and the new downtown Paycom Thunderdome arena--just imagine the concerts and large gatherings you could book in our city.

Wouldn't be so quick to discount Oklahoma City's chances of hosting any future SEC men and women's basketball tournaments. Don't see any evidence that OKC will be quick to demolish the current Paycom Center once the Paycom Thunderdome opens.

As beautiful as Austin is the SEC will want to have one of the schools (OU/UT) cities host an SEC event, OKC (IMO) would be better suited to host the SEC Tournaments once the new arena is built; hopefully, we'll have one more hotel added to OKC's portfolio by then.

Keeping the Paycom would be pretty funny.

We could be the next Houston. Why not? Our city limits is second in the nation. The Paycom and the new arena could be our NRG Stadium and the Astrodome.

It will give the announcers something to talk about during the flyover in the NBA Finals.

I know it has been repeated that OKC can't afford two arenas; however if we could juggle the services of Paycom Center and the new downtown Paycom Thunderdome arena--just imagine the concerts and large gatherings you could book in our city.

Wouldn't be so quick to discount Oklahoma City's chances of hosting any future SEC men and women's basketball tournaments. Don't see any evidence that OKC will be quick to demolish the current Paycom Center once the Paycom Thunderdome opens.

As beautiful as Austin is the SEC will want to have one of the schools (OU/UT) cities host an SEC event, OKC (IMO) would be better suited to host the SEC Tournaments once the new arena is built; hopefully, we'll have one more hotel added to OKC's portfolio by then.

It will be gone within a couple months after the new one opens. The Math for two doesn’t make any sense, not to mention it would be a terrible use of the land. City will end up giving Dobson and/or Cameron a deal on the land, and they’ll get to work on Oak 2.0, but with a heavier residential component.

The Thunder isn't the only reason for the new arena. Bigger loading docks and amenities are important for the big acts. They are not going to want to book at the older arena. The smaller acts wouldn't mind, but that revenue doesn't justify the expense of keeping two arenas.

By far the biggest reason the current arena will be demolished is that the city will want all the attention on their 1+ billion dollar investment. Just like with the convention center, they made sure to take the old convention center out of the equation with the Prairie Surf studio deal.

The Thunder isn't the only reason for the new arena. Bigger loading docks and amenities are important for the big acts. They are not going to want to book at the older arena. The smaller acts wouldn't mind, but that revenue doesn't justify the expense of keeping two arenas.

By far the biggest reason the current arena will be demolished is that the city will want all the attention on their 1+ billion dollar investment. Just like with the convention center, they made sure to take the old convention center out of the equation with the Prairie Surf studio deal.

The problem is, Scissortail was supposed to inspire large amounts of PRIVATE development, and it has not. Not even close. Why are we to believe this arena development will be different?

The problem is, Scissortail was supposed to inspire large amounts of PRIVATE development, and it has not. Not even close. Why are we to believe this arena development will be different?

. . . Add the Street Car to that piece that was suppose to inspire private development along the route. If it were free, there would be no doubts that more people would use it and you might see development along those routes.

I recognize the expense of operating two arenas; however, the Paycom Center will seat 15,152 for ice hockey and 18,203 for basketball. OKC Blue could continue to use Paycom Center.

The flexibility of two arenas will open the door that no events will be turned down because of scheduling; also OKC could host the SEC and/or Big 12 conference (Men/Women) tournaments with two arenas--think of the economic impact that would bring. Our new convention center could use Paycom Center to attract higher tier conventions for our city. You going to have more conflict with the Thunder if you attempt to host a convention that might tie up the new arena for a 4 or 5 day period during NBA season.

Have no doubt that a 'AA' team with rivals Tulsa and Wichita would draw 5,000 or more on a nightly basis in the current Paycom Center. The State Fair Coliseum (under construction) doesn't have any plans for an ice plant. The PBR (too big a draw for 4,800 seat coliseum) could use the Paycom Center instead of hauling dirt into the new arena.

You would also have the option of hosting the OSSAA basketball tournaments on all levels at Paycom Center--you could offer free parking in city garages for tournament attendees. And let's get that FFA 10,000 attendee convention back in OKC where it would be more centrally located for the members. Think of the new hotels or hotel expansion these events would bring to OKC.

The Paycom Center will remain idle for at least one or more years before demolition. With all the land options we have downtown; just don't see a case where some private or public entity will need the arena demolished immediately to acquire that land. It's not like a mixed use tower will be built there.

. . . Add the Street Car to that piece that was suppose to inspire private development along the route. If it were free, there would be no doubts that more people would use it and you might see development along those routes.

I recognize the expense of operating two arenas; however, the Paycom Center will seat 15,152 for ice hockey and 18,203 for basketball. OKC Blue could continue to use Paycom Center.

Have no doubt that a 'AA' team with rivals Tulsa and Wichita would draw 5,000 or more on a nightly basis in the current Paycom Center. The State Fair Coliseum (under construction) doesn't have any plans for an ice plant. The PBR (too big a draw for 4,800 seat coliseum) could use the Paycom Center instead of hauling dirt into the new arena.

The flexibility of two arenas will open the door that no events will be turned down because of scheduling; also OKC could host the SEC and/or Big 12 conference (Men/Women) tournaments with two arenas--think of the economic impact that would bring. Our new convention center could use Paycom Center to attract higher tier conventions for our city.

You would also have the option of hosting the OSSAA basketball tournaments on all levels at Paycom Center--you could offer free parking in city garages for tournament attendees. And let's get that FFA 10,000 attendee convention back in OKC where it would be more centrally located for the members.

The Paycom Center will remain idle for at least one or more years before demolition. With all the land options we have downtown; just don't see a case where some private or public entity will need the arena demolished immediately to acquire that land. It's not like a mixed use tower will be built there.

I just think there isn't enough development money in OKC. It's all going to the vacuum 3 hours south. OKC developers are complete poors compared to down in Dallas. A new arena won't help this, so that's my trepidation for development around the arena.

The problem is, Scissortail was supposed to inspire large amounts of PRIVATE development, and it has not. Not even close. Why are we to believe this arena development will be different?

I think the plan has always been to crystallize and begin larger scale development after the arena was clearly defined and under construction. I have always thought that the REHCO and Paycom sites are going to be built on in a complimentary fashion, even if it isn't part of a full partnership. So because I'm guessing Paycom won't be removed until about 2032, I think the "real" development plan isn't going to firm up until 2028 or 29.

I just think there isn't enough development money in OKC. It's all going to the vacuum 3 hours south. OKC developers are complete poors compared to down in Dallas. A new arena won't help this, so that's my trepidation for development around the arena.

I am optimistic that there will be a high rise mixed used development attached to the new arena. A mix of Thunder offices, hotel, retail and parking garage is not too far fetched. Downtown OKC can definitely support another 5 star hotel like the Omni. Even with the Omni hotel TIF block in place, the City can get away with soliciting developers for the development, since they own the land.

Maybe I'm wrong, but there has been a lot of infill development along the streetcar line. As for the park, it seems there are basically two property owners that either prefer using their land as a parking lot, or are so dysfunctional that it may take decades and court battles before anything happens.

. . . Add the Street Car to that piece that was suppose to inspire private development along the route. If it were free, there would be no doubts that more people would use it and you might see development along those routes.

I recognize the expense of operating two arenas; however, the Paycom Center will seat 15,152 for ice hockey and 18,203 for basketball. OKC Blue could continue to use Paycom Center.



Another day, another subtle effort to push hockey into OKC by Laramie. lol.

Another day, another subtle effort to push hockey into OKC by Laramie. lol.

To be fair, hockey is really cool.

Maybe I'm wrong, but there has been a lot of infill development along the streetcar line. As for the park, it seems there are basically two property owners that either prefer using their land as a parking lot, or are so dysfunctional that it may take decades and court battles before anything happens.

that FAR TOO OFTEN gets ignored. Citizen is a brand new highrise on the streetcar line, for example. I'd also argue Omni itself as another highrise built on the streetcar line, since the route was there before the hotel. We could ( and probably should ) keep going. Streetcar has been a catalyst in downtown being developed and integrated.

that FAR TOO OFTEN gets ignored. Citizen is a brand new highrise on the streetcar line, for example. I'd also argue Omni itself as another highrise built on the streetcar line, since the route was there before the hotel. We could ( and probably should ) keep going. Streetcar has been a catalyst in downtown being developed and integrated.

Do you really think the streetcar played a role in any of this development, much less a major role? I would bet those places would have been built there regardless of the streetcar (if not in spite of).

. . . Add the Street Car to that piece that was suppose to inspire private development along the route. If it were free, there would be no doubts that more people would use it and you might see development along those routes.



The issue with the streetcar isn't the cost, it's $1 a ride lol. It's just way too slow to make sense to use in most cases. Often times you can walk to your intended location in the same amount of time.

The issue with the streetcar isn't the cost, it's $1 a ride lol. It's just way too slow to make sense to use in most cases. Often times you can walk to your intended location in the same amount of time.

the cost .. is a major issue that hurts use ... (not the dollar the hassle ) ..

the cost .. is a major issue that hurts use ... (not the dollar the hassle ) ..

Just returned from Europe. Public transport in many places just used a phone or card tap to pay. Easy and quick. None were free. Only here we seem to think it should be free to be used. Easy, yes. Free, no

If don't have a car than Public Transport looks pretty convenient. In our case, a streetcar that takes at least 30 minutes to go on a loop one way adds the most inconvenience. You can make it work if you cut it off by walking to other end, but you have to be pretty familiar with its path.

If don't have a car than Public Transport looks pretty convenient. In our case, a streetcar that takes at least 30 minutes to go on a loop one way adds the most inconvenience. You can make it work if you cut it off by walking to other end, but you have to be pretty familiar with its path.

After being in Europe again for awhile and using mostly public trans when we are there, I can say that it was annoying if we ever had to wait for more than 5 min on our ride or walk more than a couple of hundred meters from our stop. LOL. We would walk on, tap our card, and off we would go. Usually about $1-$1.25 per. Multiple transfers were allowed, or travel within time frame (usually 90 minutes.) It was all quick, efficient, cheap and mostly comfortable (though very crowded at peak times). Transit pass would cover bus, street cars, and subway usually.

And, the high speed rail between cities was the best. Smooth, quiet, fast, easy, no long security lines or multiple inspection points, and generally as cheap as flying (though the gap has narrowed or often flying is now cheaper within Europe.). Arrive 15-20 min before departure and arrive in new city center and out fast. Bonus... you actually SEE the country and cities you are passing through, not over. But train in Europe has always been my favorite way to travel ... even the overnight sleepers.

There was a video conference today with David Todd (City of OKC) and several other civic leaders.

They made it very clear things are still in the beginning stages.

Todd made all the following points:


Design contract has been awarded.
New architects starting to put plans together for demo.
Specs for demo will go out for public bid.
Construction contract will be awarded later.
Already working with utility companies, asbestos survey; everything that can be done before PS vacates Dec. 31st.
Interior work for a couple of months starting Jan. 1st - remove asbestos and other issues.
Demolition estimated to start in march March will take 6-9 months to completely remove the building.
Hope to start construction immediately after demo.
Work to keep noise and disruptions to a minimum.
No determination on tunnel (Underground) and how it will be connected if at all.
Access from CBD to convention center will be directed to west side of Robinson; EKG might be trickier.
Parking will not be underground as it is now; garage to be built on site.
Pro sports won’t allow parking under venue; ‘bad design’ by modern standards (don’t know what that means).
Sheridan will be closed for a short time to remove skybridge.
Entry/exit for project will likely be on Gaylord.
Walkways probably can't be maintained during project because building is so close to sidewalks.
Garage is only 8’ from Robinson.
Will be some times when the streetcar has to be suspended, but will be minimal with ample notice.
Yet to have even a general site plan.

Parking under a building is security issue for a major public structure. You can have it, but you need a lot of security and screening.

Parking under a building is security issue for a major public structure. You can have it, but you needs of security and screening.

I'm sure that's true, but Todd didn't elaborate as to the reasons why.

It's disappointing to hear because now a good chunk of that site will be dedicated to a parking structure.

I'm sure that's true, but Todd didn't elaborate as to the reasons why.

It's disappointing to hear because now a good chunk of that site will be dedicated to a parking structure.

With likely buildings built on top of the garage. Other garages could be built on other sites to accommodate the needs.

With likely buildings built on top of the garage. Other garages could be built on other sites to accommodate the needs.

I asked him the question about parking in the call today and he said they would build a garage on the site.

I took that to mean they will attempt to replace all or most of the 1,000 spaces at the Cox Center with structured parking on that block.

Keep in mind that the massive Arts District Garage has only 800 spaces.

I get that they will want to have parking on site for a premium, but I hope they don't build 1,000 spaces. There's just too much unused parking within walking distance that could be utilized in the evenings for games and events.

I get that they will want to have parking on site for a premium, but I hope they don't build 1,000 spaces. There's just too much unused parking within walking distance that could be utilized in the evenings for games and events.

The Thunder ownership will want as much parking as possible, and they are the ones driving this ship.

I get that they will want to have parking on site for a premium, but I hope they don't build 1,000 spaces. There's just too much unused parking within walking distance that could be utilized in the evenings for games and events.

I wonder what the occupancy of Main street, Devon, Century, Courtyard hotel and Santa Fe garages are?

The Thunder will want enough on-site parking to accommodate premium ticket holders, plus support whatever on-site commercial development is attached to the arena. Beyond that they won’t be motivated to take up additional space that could instead be utilized for other revenue streams, such as retail, restaurants and other hospitality and entertainment venues.

Besides the abundant surface and structured parking already nearby (which is currently underutilized at night), there will certainly be structured parking included with whatever eventually appears on the REHCO site and the development that will replace Paycom in its current location. I wouldn’t be too worried about the new arena site being dominated by structured parking; that’s not where the money is and the team’s overarching motivation is unlocking new revenue.

Folks really need to start thinking about all three of those plots of land - arena site, REHCO and existing Paycom - as the whole of arena-connected development instead of thinking of them as islands. I can promise you that the City, the Thunder AND the owners of the REHCO site are thinking about it as an ecosystem, NOT simply as individual sites.

Folks really need to start thinking about all three of those plots of land - arena site, REHCO and existing Paycom - as the whole of arena-connected development instead of thinking of them as islands. I can promise you that the City, the Thunder AND the owners of the REHCO site are thinking about it as an ecosystem, NOT simply as individual sites.

Truer words were never typed.

Folks really need to start thinking about all three of those plots of land - arena site, REHCO and existing Paycom - as the whole of arena-connected development instead of thinking of them as islands. I can promise you that the City, the Thunder AND the owners of the REHCO site are thinking about it as an ecosystem, NOT simply as individual sites.

To be fair, I think the reason people aren't thinking about it that way is that no one has blatantly come out and said that. I know you have on this forum, but the mayor, team, city reps, etc have not indicated anything. I look forward to seeing how the properties all mesh together when fully developed.

There is zero information out there about anything other than the arena site.

And regarding that site, yesterday it was confirmed there will be a parking garage constructed.

Regardless of what goes on around it, it's disappointing an above-ground parking structure will be built to replace 1,000 spaces that are currently completely underground.

Hopefully, the garage will be well-integrated into the rest of the development, but there is no disguising a large parking structure right in the middle of the CBD. In fact, look at all the more recent parking facilities constructed all around here (Devon x 3, Arts District, Convention Center, ParcFirst) and they are all pretty awful and detract from downtown streetlife.

And regarding that site, yesterday it was confirmed there will be a parking garage constructed.


the parking garage was in the development agreement from last may


The development will also include a new parking garage with a minimum of 650 spaces.

the parking garage was in the development agreement from last may

Until yesterday, it was not confirmed the entire thing would be above-ground.

Do any of the recent new arenas/stadiums surrounded by similar developments have structure parking involved? Ironically the only one I see on Manica's website is the Chase Center in SF, which has 950 spots beneath office buildings in the development.

They could build a smaller parking garage on site for VIP types and get into agreements to build other garages with the option to build towers on top of those in the future on the other adjacent sites. I don't know if they will do that, but that's one way to avoid a "super garage".

Do any of the recent new arenas/stadiums surrounded by similar developments have structure parking involved? Ironically the only one I see on Manica's website is the Chase Center in SF, which has 950 spots beneath office buildings in the development.

There’s no reason why the parking associated with the OKC arena might not be integrated with the ancillary buildings, as you describe.

During the Teams arena demo/construction meeting Pete references, David Todd indicated that subterranean parking directly under arenas was something simply no longer being done in the NBA and other sports. It isn’t a decision by the City or by the Thunder. This makes total sense, as properly screening hundreds of vehicles during a compressed arrival time, before then allowing them to park directly underneath tens of thousands (or even just TEENS of thousands) of fans sounds next to impossible. It would be highly irresponsible, and it seems that the NBA agrees.

But that wouldn’t necessarily prevent parking from being well-integrated with the other buildings that will land on this site.

Do any of the recent new arenas/stadiums surrounded by similar developments have structure parking involved? Ironically the only one I see on Manica's website is the Chase Center in SF, which has 950 spots beneath office buildings in the development.

The brand new Intuit Dome has two large parking garages near the arena.

Echoing what Urbanized mention earlier, This talk is just confirmation that the current Paycom's days are numbered. Good chance the city won't RFP all that land and a 'phase 2' begins immediately after the Thunder move out of the current arena. I don't think parking is super critical to the timeline? Plenty of temporary parking on the REHCO site for construction workers.

Or they do cram parking onto the current site and they save the Paycom Arena land for something else? Either way that land is to valuable for the city to leave an arena on it.

The brand new Intuit Dome has two large parking garages near the arena.

Which is in a sprawling area, not in the heart of a downtown.

And the main structure is across the street.

Do any of the recent new arenas/stadiums surrounded by similar developments have structure parking involved? Ironically the only one I see on Manica's website is the Chase Center in SF, which has 950 spots beneath office buildings in the development.

Detroit's Little Ceasar's Arena: https://www.theprecaster.com/wp-content/themes/psg/images/projects/dec/dec4.jpg
Supplied all precast for 5 elevated precast level (391,000 sq. ft./1150 parking space) parking deck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AoIQyJgJxI

Which is in a sprawling area, not in the heart of a downtown.

And the main structure is across the street.

Yeah, you actually have to walk a few blocks to get to one of the two garages.

Yeah, you actually have to walk a few blocks to get to one of the two garages.

If the people in OKC wasn't vigorously trying to hold on to their top 15 position of fattest city in America, that would be an option.

Do you really think the streetcar played a role in any of this development, much less a major role? I would bet those places would have been built there regardless of the streetcar (if not in spite of).

None of it was built until after the Streetcar came online. FACT!

Also FACT - most development downtown is happening along the streetcar line. Renaissance hotel. anybody?

I'm not saying development happened exclusively due to the streetcar, but none of this happened before the streetcar came online. Facts don't lie.

None of it was built until after the Streetcar came online. FACT!

Also FACT - most development downtown is happening along the streetcar line. Renaissance hotel. anybody?

I'm not saying development happened exclusively due to the streetcar, but none of this happened before the streetcar came online. Facts don't lie.
Yes facts can lie when trying to assign cause and effect. There is no causality by coincidence.

Tell us how many patrons of these developments actually use the streetcar? Im guessing few of the Renaissance guests chose the hotel because it was near the streetcar and more because of the reservation system. In fact, I'm betting very few even were aware of the streetcar when they booked.