Can’t wait for renderings

Probably still have 1 or 1.5 years before those come out.

Two pieces of information that are definitely new here and (in my mind) could/should have been included with the original vote:

1. Land allocated to compliment the transit hub. I understand how including this would have been difficult when the site wasn't fully determined, but they could at least have included "A section of the property no less than 10% of the available area and no more than 15% of the available area will be allocated to OKC to develop for programmed public use".

2. PBC having the ability to develop unused land. I'm not sure exactly how this works - if this is right of first refusal or sole rights. That's a huge deal either way, but if it's sole rights, I'd think that throws out the window any opportunity for the city to subsidize a hotel on the site with the Omni (should the Omni want to participate). This site desperately needs a hotel, you could add in additional amenities like player housing, Thunder offices to scale up the size of the building. However you slice it, this site could really use 200+ rooms, especially if PBC/OKC ever wants to vie for an All-Star game.




Are you implying that the use of this land allocated to the transit hub is going to be the Parking Garage or were you just adding that to the list of things?

I always thought PBC was gonna get control of the land. I think (could be wrong) Milwaukee did that with the Bucks ownership when they did the new arena. The ability to build out the land, combined with the Fred Jones property they co-own is what makes the Thunder a key component of a 50 year plus multi-billion dollar urban development, IMO.

I always thought PBC was gonna get control of the land. I think (could be wrong) Milwaukee did that with the Bucks ownership when they did the new arena. The ability to build out the land, combined with the Fred Jones property they co-own is what makes the Thunder a key component of a 50 year plus multi-billion dollar urban development, IMO.

What Fred Jones property that who co-owner?

What Fred Jones property that who co-owner?

Think he’s talking about the old dealership lot that Bob Howard is part owner of.

Think he’s talking about the old dealership lot that Bob Howard is part owner of.

Yes.

Yes.

But that's also Fred Jones who isn't part of the Thunder ownership group.

Anyway, while I understand all of this area needs to come together, uh, together, and that having commonality in ownership can have a positive impact on the planning, it's still a lot to take in that they just "get" the rights to develop, especially considering the Omni deal and also that PBC is not a development firm.

Hopefully, the thought is to combine the capital this group has with the Omni and potential city subsidies to put up a first class Omni that can work in conjunction with the first Omni, if so, then I feel pretty good about the deal, especially if the city subsidies are at least in part funded by this tax.

But that's also Fred Jones who isn't part of the Thunder ownership group.

Anyway, while I understand all of this area needs to come together, uh, together, and that having commonality in ownership can have a positive impact on the planning, it's still a lot to take in that they just "get" the rights to develop, especially considering the Omni deal and also that PBC is not a development firm.

Hopefully, the thought is to combine the capital this group has with the Omni and potential city subsidies to put up a first class Omni that can work in conjunction with the first Omni, if so, then I feel pretty good about the deal, especially if the city subsidies are at least in part funded by this tax.

Would be great to add another 400-600 rooms--boosting the Omni's room count to 1,000-1200 rooms.
OKC could bid on more larger events. Also build the Zoo Aquarium downtown to add a tourist attraction.

no, I dont want us to limit ourselves to Omni. They had a chance to build something wonderful and chose purposefully to short sight OKC even when we handed them a significant TIF.

Now, there's more players than Omni, including the Boardwalk people who obviuosly have vision in mind about OKC that Omni didn't. Omni has 15 more years iirc regarding their exclusivity agreement, let's see if Boardwalk "forces" them to do something or will they continue to sit and limit OKC's downtown development.

BTW, for all that are bad mouthing Boardwalk and Legends Tower, it actually is HELPING OKC in more ways than just the skyline change or multiple highrise hotel and residences. Boardwalk 'may' encourage Omni to do something with it's exclusivity agreement. I'm SURE omni will feel the impact in a bad way WHEN Boardwalk is built, and especially if/when Legends Tower is built; if Omni just sat there and did nothing. In my mind, Omni should purchase the land next door and build another tower, this time something higher than 20 floors - to as many on here have said, give OKC more than 1000 hotel rooms basically connected to the convention center. That should ahve been done in the beginning but Omni has a chance to fix it.

Perhaps this might be the long delay preventing Rose Rock from building an 8 floor building. Shouldn't take YEARS upon years to build a relatively simple residential mid-rise, particularly considering the other projects that fast track (especially in Tulsa). Hopefully this is in the works, and Im sure Boardwalk/Legends would be the fire under the behind for it to materialize.

The problem was that the original consultant for the Omni hotel development was short sighted and didn't take into account future growth, the hotel itself wasn't even designed for future expansion. I have said all along, the only chance we have of OMNI expanding is taking over the stagnant Boulevard Place land, they would be able to add more rooms there. That is the only plausible place for expansion.

However, I believe once the new arena is built, we will get another signature hotel adjacent or very close to the arena. We are five years out from the arena being completed, a lot can happen.

no, I dont want us to limit ourselves to Omni. They had a chance to build something wonderful and chose purposefully to short sight OKC even when we handed them a significant TIF.

Now, there's more players than Omni, including the Boardwalk people who obviuosly have vision in mind about OKC that Omni didn't. Omni has 15 more years iirc regarding their exclusivity agreement, let's see if Boardwalk "forces" them to do something or will they continue to sit and limit OKC's downtown development.

BTW, for all that are bad mouthing Boardwalk and Legends Tower, it actually is HELPING OKC in more ways than just the skyline change or multiple highrise hotel and residences. Boardwalk 'may' encourage Omni to do something with it's exclusivity agreement. I'm SURE omni will feel the impact in a bad way WHEN Boardwalk is built, and especially if/when Legends Tower is built; if Omni just sat there and did nothing. In my mind, Omni should purchase the land next door and build another tower, this time something higher than 20 floors - to as many on here have said, give OKC more than 1000 hotel rooms basically connected to the convention center. That should ahve been done in the beginning but Omni has a chance to fix it.

Perhaps this might be the long delay preventing Rose Rock from building an 8 floor building. Shouldn't take YEARS upon years to build a relatively simple residential mid-rise, particularly considering the other projects that fast track (especially in Tulsa). Hopefully this is in the works, and Im sure Boardwalk/Legends would be the fire under the behind for it to materialize.

You say what few people are willing to even consider. With you there.

no, I dont want us to limit ourselves to Omni. They had a chance to build something wonderful and chose purposefully to short sight OKC even when we handed them a significant TIF.

Now, there's more players than Omni, including the Boardwalk people who obviuosly have vision in mind about OKC that Omni didn't. Omni has 15 more years iirc regarding their exclusivity agreement, let's see if Boardwalk "forces" them to do something or will they continue to sit and limit OKC's downtown development.

BTW, for all that are bad mouthing Boardwalk and Legends Tower, it actually is HELPING OKC in more ways than just the skyline change or multiple highrise hotel and residences. Boardwalk 'may' encourage Omni to do something with it's exclusivity agreement. I'm SURE omni will feel the impact in a bad way WHEN Boardwalk is built, and especially if/when Legends Tower is built; if Omni just sat there and did nothing. In my mind, Omni should purchase the land next door and build another tower, this time something higher than 20 floors - to as many on here have said, give OKC more than 1000 hotel rooms basically connected to the convention center. That should ahve been done in the beginning but Omni has a chance to fix it.

Perhaps this might be the long delay preventing Rose Rock from building an 8 floor building. Shouldn't take YEARS upon years to build a relatively simple residential mid-rise, particularly considering the other projects that fast track (especially in Tulsa). Hopefully this is in the works, and Im sure Boardwalk/Legends would be the fire under the behind for it to materialize.

OKC (MSA 1,477,926) should have requested 700-800 room hotel when they selected the Omni. Birmingham (MSA 1,184,290) very similar in size to OKC built an 838 room Sheraton Birmingham. They built for the future.

Like it or not, Omni will continue to be the official OKC convention center hotel--they have first rights of refusal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhisGqgHftM

no, I dont want us to limit ourselves to Omni. They had a chance to build something wonderful and chose purposefully to short sight OKC even when we handed them a significant TIF.

Now, there's more players than Omni, including the Boardwalk people who obviuosly have vision in mind about OKC that Omni didn't. Omni has 15 more years iirc regarding their exclusivity agreement, let's see if Boardwalk "forces" them to do something or will they continue to sit and limit OKC's downtown development.

BTW, for all that are bad mouthing Boardwalk and Legends Tower, it actually is HELPING OKC in more ways than just the skyline change or multiple highrise hotel and residences. Boardwalk 'may' encourage Omni to do something with it's exclusivity agreement. I'm SURE omni will feel the impact in a bad way WHEN Boardwalk is built, and especially if/when Legends Tower is built; if Omni just sat there and did nothing. In my mind, Omni should purchase the land next door and build another tower, this time something higher than 20 floors - to as many on here have said, give OKC more than 1000 hotel rooms basically connected to the convention center. That should ahve been done in the beginning but Omni has a chance to fix it.

Perhaps this might be the long delay preventing Rose Rock from building an 8 floor building. Shouldn't take YEARS upon years to build a relatively simple residential mid-rise, particularly considering the other projects that fast track (especially in Tulsa). Hopefully this is in the works, and Im sure Boardwalk/Legends would be the fire under the behind for it to materialize.

You want to really see downtown development come to a screeching halt? Let them build that monstrosity, and expression of Little City Syndrome™️, they call Legends Tower. Thankfully, it won’t happen, but if it does? Kiss a single other skyscraper away for many decades. Cheerleading for OKC becomes ridiculous when people truly believe that tower makes sense, that we can support the NFL and MLB, that we need subways or other transit of that scale. Oklahoma City doesn’t need hobbyists to “dream big” by demanding the biggest, baddest whatever, and then pronounce anything short of that as a failure.

Have no problem with building a large apartment complex if there is demand. My preference is that if you're going to build a 1900 ft., tall building--build two 850 foot towers slightly taller than Devon Tower. It would make the skyline look more symmetric adding balance to the existing skyscrapers.

As for the new arena, would love to see some kind of symbol or sphere atop the arena where it stands out and grasp the attention branding it as an arena being synonymous with Oklahoma City.

You want to really see downtown development come to a screeching halt? Let them build that monstrosity, and expression of Little City Syndrome™�, they call Legends Tower. Thankfully, it won’t happen, but if it does? Kiss a single other skyscraper away for many decades. Cheerleading for OKC becomes ridiculous when people truly believe that tower makes sense, that we can support the NFL and MLB, that we need subways or other transit of that scale. Oklahoma City doesn’t need hobbyists to “dream big” by demanding the biggest, baddest whatever, and then pronounce anything short of that as a failure.
This is a very weird opinion, and based on what evidence? So one skyscraper will dictate ALL downtown developments because some deem it a monstrosity? That sounds worse than the guy who said people would move out of OKC because there wasn't enough buildings lit up and the skyline was too dark.

You want to really see downtown development come to a screeching halt? Let them build that monstrosity, and expression of Little City Syndrome™️, they call Legends Tower. Thankfully, it won’t happen, but if it does? Kiss a single other skyscraper away for many decades. Cheerleading for OKC becomes ridiculous when people truly believe that tower makes sense, that we can support the NFL and MLB, that we need subways or other transit of that scale. Oklahoma City doesn’t need hobbyists to “dream big” by demanding the biggest, baddest whatever, and then pronounce anything short of that as a failure.

Don't worry. This is like arguing if the Enterprise would win against the Death Star. Equally fictional and pointless

don't worry. This is like arguing if the enterprise would win against the death star. Equally fictional and pointless

But… DID THE FAA APPROVE THAT BATTLE?!? Are we DESERVING of it? lol

Are you implying that the use of this land allocated to the transit hub is going to be the Parking Garage or were you just adding that to the list of things?

was just adding to the list as i was reading the exec summary

This is a very weird opinion, and based on what evidence? So one skyscraper will dictate ALL downtown developments because some deem it a monstrosity? That sounds worse than the guy who said people would move out of OKC because there wasn't enough buildings lit up and the skyline was too dark.

Not a weird opinion, It's very basic supply and demand economics.

Kiss a single other skyscraper away for many decades.

Promise?

Not a weird opinion, It's very basic supply and demand economics.

That part was fairly accurate but the rest sounded like Mr. BS lives in Little Rock.

sounds to me like the agreement between the city and the team will very much open the likelyhood of the tunnel into Bricktown, connecting the district and arena via the enhanced Santa Fe station and transit center. ...

If this is the case, this arena is turning out to be a GOD-SEND for OKC's future and the city and team are once again being great stewards for the people of Oklahoma City and it's visitors. ... Imagine the jump OKC will get once this is complete (from bottom of the list of NBA cities/arenas to one of the best).

also of note:


"The team wants an aggressive timetable to move in 2028,” Freeman said. “We would have to start moving pretty fast to do that. We will need to start demolition of the existing building by early next year so we can quickly be ready for site preparation for work to start.”

hmm, what else happens in the Summer of 2028? :)

sounds to me like the agreement between the city and the team will very much open the likelyhood of the tunnel into Bricktown, connecting the district and arena via the enhanced Santa Fe station and transit center. ...

If this is the case, this arena is turning out to be a GOD-SEND for OKC's future and the city and team are once again being great stewards for the people of Oklahoma City and it's visitors. ... Imagine the jump OKC will get once this is complete (from bottom of the list of NBA cities/arenas to one of the best).

If I remember correctly, it didn't have to do with the city, it had to do with BNSF not wanting it there. I know there are more details than that, but that was the basic jist of it.

also of note:



hmm, what else happens in the Summer of 2028? :)

Yes, these things are not coincidences:

The revised goal for opening the new arena is June 2028.

The LA28 Summer Games open July 14th.

The NBA preseason doesn't typically start until October.

If I remember correctly, it didn't have to do with the city, it had to do with BNSF not wanting it there. I know there are more details than that, but that was the basic jist of it.

it was all about cost and the city not really caring about getting it done thanks to the former public works director

Fron the Oklahoman:

City council set to vote on development agreement for new OKC Thunder arena. What's in the plan?

Highlights:

The agreement includes two projects not previously discussed; construction of a 650-space garage and the city reserving 1.4 acres for a potential regional transit hub.

Freeman said the city’s agreement with the team is to first use funding from the $78 million from MAPS 4 that was originally allocated for improvements at Paycom Center. The team’s $50 million would be tapped next, followed by a minimum of $772 million to be financed through the 72-month, one-cent sales tax that is to begin on April 1, 2028.

The agreement set for a vote on Tuesday does not allow the use of arena funding for demolition of the Paycom Center. Voters were told during the campaign the Paycom Center will likely be torn down once the new arena is opened.

The possibility of building a transit hub on the arena site is conditioned on whether voters in Edmond, Oklahoma City and Norman approve creating a regional transit network in an election expected to occur in 2025.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/05/20/okc-thunder-nba-arena-development-plan-vote-tuesday/73768687007/

it was all about cost and the city not really caring about getting it done thanks to the former public works director

Interesting. I knew cost was a factor, but I thought there was a disagreement with the railway in creating a tunnel. Not sure where I got that from. Thanks for the clarification.

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The railroad demanded extra measures during construction that drove costs to something like 3-4 times the originally expected budget. They included requiring a signal man be stationed on track level and that every time a train passed (multiple times each day) that all workers AND EQUIPMENT be fully removed from the tunnel until the train had fully moved through. This drove labor and other costs far beyond the originally-allotted amount. It still could/should have happened, even with the outrageous guidelines.

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The railroad demanded extra measures during construction that drove costs to something like 3-4 times the originally expected budget. They included requiring a signal man be stationed on track level and that every time a train passed (multiple times each day) that all workers AND EQUIPMENT be fully removed from the tunnel as the train passed. This drove labor and other costs far beyond the originally-allotted amount. It still could/should have happened, even with the outrageous guidelines.

There you go. Thanks Chad for the clarification.

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The railroad demanded extra measures during construction that drove costs to something like 3-4 times the originally expected budget. They included requiring a signal man be stationed on track level and that every time a train passed (multiple times each day) that all workers AND EQUIPMENT be fully removed from the tunnel until the train had fully moved through. This drove labor and other costs far beyond the originally-allotted amount. It still could/should have happened, even with the outrageous guidelines.

this is correct ... i will add that the city also didn't really push back on any of the "requirements" they pretty much just dropped the project .. (because the office running it didn't really care about it either way)

this is correct ... i will add that the city also didn't really push back on any of the requirements they pretty much just dropped the project .. (because the office running it didn't really care about it either way)

I believe there was also a window to spend the federal grant, so instead the money went towards redoing the plaza on the east side of the tracks and some other small things.

The New Arena deal passed 7-2. Both Nikki Nice and JoBeth Hammon voted No on this arena deal.

I believe there was also a window to spend the federal grant, so instead the money went towards redoing the plaza on the east side of the tracks and some other small things.

for sure .. this was a grant that used Maps 3 streetcar/ transit funds as the match ... either way the tunnel still should have been completed .. (and if it needed more money the extra 5 mil 10 mil whatever should have been added to a GO bond issue or maps 4)

The New Arena deal passed 7-2. Both Nikki Nice and JoBeth Hammon voted No on this arena deal.

this is my shocked face

This is in no way meant to be argumentative or contrarian, nor is it a comment in any way about the speculation regarding other potential events in the summer of 2028, but it needs to be said that the hoped-for June completion of the arena is completely coincidental to the other. The June date mentioned would be when the arena would be handed over to the City, its operator (ASM) and the team. It will take months for them to move in and to be ready for the pre-season. I would definitely anticipate a concert or concerts happening before the NBA preseason, but it would simply not be available in time for the other.

Again, this is not a comment on the other rumored event in any way. It is just the reality of taking custody of a new building. There simply isn't enough time to have the new arena available for events in mid July, with a June move-in. This is NOT speculation on my part.

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The previous stated goal was to be open by the 2029 season; it's now been moved up a year.

Yes, because the Thunder is insistent that they be in the building as soon as humanly possible. No other reason.

To expand on that, the Thunder has been quietly pushing for 2028 since last year.

In any event, it will be nice to have the arena substantially completed when OKC is on the international stage the summer of 2028.

I said from the beginning that we'll see several projects rush to meet that hard deadline for various reasons, mostly to put our city in the best possible light.

Yes, because the Thunder is insistent that they be in the building as soon as humanly possible. No other reason.

I just love how an only 5% owner is trying to call the shots. Gotta love it.

I just love how an only 5% owner is trying to call the shots. Gotta love it.

An owner that brings in significantly more in revenue and tourism for that building than anything else would.

I just love how an only 5% owner is trying to call the shots. Gotta love it.

Is that the Tulsa one?

In any event, it will be nice to have the arena substantially completed when OKC is on the international stage the summer of 2028.

I said from the beginning that we'll see several projects rush to meet that hard deadline for various reasons, mostly to put our city in the best possible light.
100% agree that if the speculated event comes to OKC that there would be many projects pushed through to put OKC in its best light, and also that having a shiny new arena in the skyline B-roll would be a great statement.

One other thing about the Thunder pushing so hard for 2028 is that it will be the 20 year anniversary of the team's arrival in OKC. Not saying that is specifically why they are pushing, because if so that has not been overtly mentioned that I am aware of, but it only makes sense. The number one driver, of course, is that team revenue will be greatly enhanced in the new building. And the team's payroll, among other things, will look far different than it looks today. At the end of the day it's mostly about remaining viable for a long championship window, and enhancing team value.

100% agree that if the speculated event comes to OKC that there will be many projects pushed through to put OKC in its best light, and also that having a shiny new arena in the skyline B-roll would be a great statement.

One other thing about the Thunder pushing so hard for 2028 is that it will be the 20 year anniversary of the team's arrival in OKC. Not saying that is specifically why they are pushing, because if so that has not been overtly mentioned that I am aware of, but it only makes sense. The number one driver, of course, is that team revenue will be greatly enhanced in the new building. And the team's payroll, among other things, will look far different than it looks today. At the end of the day it's mostly about remaining viable for a long championship window, and enhancing team value.

Yeah the tax bill just to keep J Dub, Chet and SGA alone will be enormous. Not to mention the prodigal son that wears #35 has been making it very clear he wants to return and retire here.

Yeah the tax bill just to keep J Dub, Chet and SGA alone will be enormous. Not to mention the prodigal son that wears #35 has been making it very clear he wants to return and retire here.

And the league will likely be expanded by that point, so the salary cap will be higher.

An owner that brings in significantly more in revenue and tourism for that building than anything else would.

I wasn't completely bashing it. I 1,000% get why they have that influence. But still, in any other arena (pun intended), a 5% owner trying to flex their muscle would be ridiculed and laughed out of the boardroom.

But I get it. It is being built for an anchor tenant, so they can make demands, as long as they do their part when the time comes.

The New Arena deal passed 7-2. Both Nikki Nice and JoBeth Hammon voted No on this arena deal.

LOL. The vote already passed...their role in stopping it has ended. Where the hell else do they want to put it? They trying to spend more money that they didn’t want to spend in the first place to put it somewhere else on a tract that makes less sense and/or isn't owned by the city? :D

That's just the most unproductive/spiteful type of politics lol.

In any event, it will be nice to have the arena substantially completed when OKC is on the international stage the summer of 2028.

I said from the beginning that we'll see several projects rush to meet that hard deadline for various reasons, mostly to put our city in the best possible light.

And the Thunder care about optics also. The building will be mostly done at that point if they target 2028. The NBA cares about the Olympics due to Team USA. It's not the only reason, but you can bet they are telling city leadership all the reasons it is in their best interest to get it built as fast as they can.

My hope is that OKC will build an arena that will prioritize accommodations for NBA specifications as well as large gatherings associated with the new convention center. An arena with 18,500 permanent fixed seats capable of hosting 19,500 for NBA basketball. Thunder promised to have some affordable seats for all.

Build the suits above the lower level and upper deck. Lodge boxes can be built on the lower level.

If our city were to take the aggressive approach and bring back the 10,000 attendee FFA state convention (currently in Tulsa) and offer 'free rent' for long-term commitments for conventions; there just might be a way to utilize the new arena and the Paycom Center before making the decision to demolish the Paycom Center.

An owner that brings in significantly more in revenue and tourism for that building than anything else would.

I would love to see the numbers on that, especially once the concerts and other events start rolling in to this new arena.

Anyways, glad to see that regional transit is being incorporated into this, wonder what this means for the light rail.

I wasn't completely bashing it. I 1,000% get why they have that influence. But still, in any other arena (pun intended), a 5% owner trying to flex their muscle would be ridiculed and laughed out of the boardroom.

But I get it. It is being built for an anchor tenant, so they can make demands, as long as they do their part when the time comes.

the team is the 0% owner of the building ..

before making the decision to demolish the Paycom Center.

that decision has already been made

the team is the 0% owner of the building ..

True, and that's why IMO we (OKC) need to build an arena with more seating if you want it to be loud and intimating.

Aware of the recent trend with smaller capacities like Milwaukee Fiserv Forum (17,385), San Francisco Chase Center (18,064) and Los Angeles Clipper's Intuit Dome (18,000); make our new arena a larger version of 'LOUD CITY.'

A larger capacity will allow OKC to bid on more events outside the NBA like NCAA sporting events (Basketball regionals, Gymnastics, Volleyball.) BTW do we still have the indoor track built with the Myriad or is it obsolete?

True, and that's why IMO we (OKC) need to build an arena with more seating if you want it to be loud and intimating.

Aware of the recent trend with smaller capacities like Milwaukee Fiserv Forum (17,385), San Francisco Chase Center (18,064) and Los Angeles Clipper's Intuit Dome (18,000); make our new arena a larger version of 'LOUD CITY.'

A larger capacity will allow OKC to bid on more events outside the NBA like NCAA sporting events (Basketball regionals, Gymnastics, Volleyball.) BTW do we still have the indoor track built with the Myriad or is it obsolete?

I’d wouldn’t be surprised if the capacity is about the same as Paycom

I’d wouldn’t be surprised if the capacity is about the same as Paycom

Yeah, I think 18,500 would be the most. Newer arenas (and NFL stadiums) are putting in less seats compared to older venues, which can increase demand and also they are putting in higher priced seating options (court levels, club levels, party levels, etc)

I’d wouldn’t be surprised if the capacity is about the same as Paycom

Yeah I hope the capacity is not much, if any, higher. Add more space, make it more comfortable, add some cool stuff like the clippers did to make it unique, but keep the capacity about the same. It doesn’t need to be a 20k seat arena.

Yeah I hope the capacity is not much, if any, higher. Add more space, make it more comfortable, add some cool stuff like the clippers did to make it unique, but keep the capacity about the same. It doesn’t need to be a 20k seat arena.

I want the Clippers new arena to 150% be the arena model the city uses.

i would love to see the numbers on that, especially once the concerts and other events start rolling in to this new arena.

Anyways, glad to see that regional transit is being incorporated into this, wonder what this means for the light rail.

rabbit hole alert! Rabbit hole alert!!

I want the Clippers new arena to 150% be the arena model the city uses.

I hope they take aspects of the Clippers, Pacers, Bucks and Pistons arena and we’re golden.