WinStar World Casino:

Are there non-smoking areas? Yes. WinStar World Hotel is non-smoking, as well as the WinStar Convention Center.

Within the casino itself, the Poker Room, RIO Gaming Plaza, New York Gaming Plaza, and a section of the Rome Gaming Plaza, and all dining establishments are non-smoking areas.

WinStar World Casino:

Are there non-smoking areas? Yes. WinStar World Hotel is non-smoking, as well as the WinStar Convention Center.

Within the casino itself, the Poker Room, RIO Gaming Plaza, New York Gaming Plaza, and a section of the Rome Gaming Plaza, and all dining establishments are non-smoking areas.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/34/341adbbc01e2f5b7f82049f8aa45a9be2d873d15366d26f202 31eba32e7979b4.jpg

Laramie was replying to the posts about smoking rates in OK being higher and they're all in the casinos.

OKC Thunder Wants to Have 'Real Home Court Advantage Again' - https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/okc-thunder-wants-to-have-real-home-court-advantage-again/ar-AA1hpzHl


Home court advantage is a very real thing. These young players will rally behind a good crowd, and bringing energy on a nightly basis will be much easier if fans truly support and bring the noise.

Wonder how long this will stay in the news.... https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2023/10/10/lincoln-county-oklahoma-judge-traci-soderstrom-mocking-texts-during-trial-murder-toddler/71076992007/

Wonder how long this will stay in the news.... https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2023/10/10/lincoln-county-oklahoma-judge-traci-soderstrom-mocking-texts-during-trial-murder-toddler/71076992007/

It's behind a paywall... what's the gist?

It's behind a paywall... what's the gist?

It is about this: https://apnews.com/article/judge-cellphone-texting-murder-trial-oklahoma-e3404d347edaa5d33b34100307afad39

...which, while interesting, is about a judge in Lincoln County, so I'm not sure how it even relates to OKC.

It is about this: https://apnews.com/article/judge-cellphone-texting-murder-trial-oklahoma-e3404d347edaa5d33b34100307afad39

...which, while interesting, is about a judge in Lincoln County, so I'm not sure how it even relates to OKC.

I read the AP article yesterday and I thought it said Oklahoma County, I don’t recall reading anything about Chandler or Lincoln County. Seems like they would’ve clarified if anything was added or corrected though. I could always just be misremembering.

https://www.southernliving.com/best-things-to-do-oklahoma-city-8364716?utm_campaign=southernliving_southernliving&utm_content=manual&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=6536fb1a1014b10001967827

Free good publicity never hurts! Great article!

Good PR article for OKC!

Ardmore Michelin plant closing. About 1400 jobs lost.

https://michelinmedia.com/pages/blog/detail/article/c0/a1319/

Ardmore Michelin plant closing. About 1400 jobs lost.

https://michelinmedia.com/pages/blog/detail/article/c0/a1319/
Yikes. That’s a big one.

Not sure what that has to do with OKC...it is bad news for the state, but I am sure Ardmore will survive. Hopefully the people are able to find jobs down there, or move up to OKC to find jobs.

Not sure what that has to do with OKC...it is bad news for the state, but I am sure Ardmore will survive. Hopefully the people are able to find jobs down there, or move up to OKC to find jobs. Ardmore has no choice but to survive, or die on the vine. Their government officials are going to have to get aggressive in getting new jobs/industry in their communities. They can also move to Dallas to find jobs.

Not sure what that has to do with OKC...it is bad news for the state, but I am sure Ardmore will survive. Hopefully the people are able to find jobs down there, or move up to OKC to find jobs.

Ardmore will survive, but the loss of a manufacturing base usually means increasing disparity between the haves and have nots and a lower quality of life for everyone except for the rich. Fort Smith, Arkansas lost a number of their plants during the 2000s and it's sad to see what the town has become compared to what it was 20 years ago.

Ardmore will survive, but the loss of a manufacturing base usually means increasing disparity between the haves and have nots and a lower quality of life for everyone except for the rich. Fort Smith, Arkansas lost a number of their plants during the 2000s and it's sad to see what the town has become compared to what it was 20 years ago.

Exactly. My first thought after hearing this news was that Ardmore's future might look a lot like Shawnee's present. Shawnee is still slowly gaining population, but no one would mistake it for a thriving community.

https://www.travelandleisure.com/the-national-oklahoma-city-hotel-review-8417803

OKC big bang for the buck in apartment rental.

https://www.velocityokc.com/blog/economy/okc-named-a-sweet-spot-for-apartment-size/

Atlas Obscura included OKC in its Wanderlist of 2024.

https://wanderlist.atlasobscura.com/location/oklahoma-city

Don’t forget the Furries school bill. SMH.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/furries-school-bill-animal-control-1234948434/amp/

Don’t forget the Furries school bill. SMH.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/furries-school-bill-animal-control-1234948434/amp/

The bill sounds like my former state rep who said years ago at a town hall meeting that a lot of solutions are running around at the state capitol in search of problems to solve. The legislator, Justin Humphrey, who sponsors that bill comes from very tiny Lane, OK, in the southeast rural part of the state, which, I think, explains his thinking as well as his constituents. For all we know he may be going by false rumors that are far from the truth.

Since 2020 Humphrey has run unopposed for reelection. In 2018, he defeated the Democrat opponent by 68%.

If furries are really causing distractive problems in Oklahoma schools, then treat it the old-fashioned way. Send them to the principal's office!

Exactly. My first thought after hearing this news was that Ardmore's future might look a lot like Shawnee's present. Shawnee is still slowly gaining population, but no one would mistake it for a thriving community.

But Ardmore is a lot further way from OKC than Shawnee. Surely not very many people want to move to Shawnee just to commute over 30 minutes away to jobs in the OKC area. Why not live in Norman or Moore for closer commute for starters?

Unlike Stillwater, Ardmore doesn't have a behemoth like OSU to lean on to more than make up for significant losses suffered at the manufacturing level, so it will be interesting to see how Ardmore does for the next several years. Will being kind of close to DFW help?

The bill sounds like my former state rep who said years ago at a town hall meeting that a lot of solutions are running around at the state capitol in search of problems to solve. The legislator, Justin Humphrey, who sponsors that bill comes from very tiny Lane, OK, in the southeast rural part of the state, which, I think, explains his thinking as well as his constituents. For all we know he may be going by false rumors that are far from the truth.

Since 2020 Humphrey has run unopposed for reelection. In 2018, he defeated the Democrat opponent by 68%.

If furries are really causing distractive problems in Oklahoma schools, then treat it the old-fashioned way. Send them to the principal's office!

Oh I agree. Lane has 215 people according to the census. I love when small town thinking "tries" to go global.
Two of our kids are in school and furries are not an issue, but I guess if 1 in town of 215 is, then it is an epidemic.

Mayor Holt met with President Biden in regards to the Annual Mayor Conference this past week.:

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/u-s-mayors-set-to-meet-with-president-biden-202464837522

Nic's in press again

https://www.noteabley.com/recipes/best-burgers-america-fb/?utm_source=IPW&network_code=IPW&utm_campaign=Best_Burger%3E0.1&c1=pNtNRp5S4WAu2ePMLDA3v3shFy-twYXoeN3BQ3YeQ9P4r5tJ88rg1I7K_wibFNu-Pg9317RrR2fXkuvpsRUFIhHqhonKyDSbYKqmjqMS63VxM6Dh8D Vpi22HbKkEaXp1X9R3SfKh1iC7aM9QwI1NM0C8PHoGuj8u08_a qWcXg80JPWtC_W6K-s8DXadA9QcETTM57hZXE3HK0U-NH6GBEJ_A7KCN7OuvT8oT1e4&c2=1522130&c3=1522132#tblciGiAD53GKUP90N3x0_P7rnv8jTvoqyI3p42 T9IHc6fis_HSDE51so0JuXlNmX55xF

An article in AFAR magazine about the Oklahoma film industry

https://www.afar.com/magazine/how-to-explore-oklahomas-creative-film-scene

Study shows OKC at #8 where millennials are moving.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/millennials-moving-favorite-cities-tampa-florida

Study shows OKC at #8 where millennials are moving.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/millennials-moving-favorite-cities-tampa-florida

The one that surprises me on that list is Las Vegas. I can't imagine a worse place to live but maybe I am missing something.

The one that surprises me on that list is Las Vegas. I can't imagine a worse place to live but maybe I am missing something.

The actual city is pretty cool. A ton to do around there and you can always go enjoy the things that tourist come there for when you decide to. Had some friends that lived there for about 5 years and loved it. Came back to Tulsa for a job offer that one of them couldn't turn down.

Vegas heat? Nope.

Vegas heat? Nope.

But it's a dry heat (as they say).

Dry roasting vs. Par broiled

For those complaining about the high rents in OKC.
We are the cheapest among metropolitans of 1 million or more.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-13434555/America-big-cities-lowest-rent-big-metro-areas-residents.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

For those complaining about the high rents in OKC.
We are the cheapest among metropolitans of 1 million or more.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-13434555/America-big-cities-lowest-rent-big-metro-areas-residents.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Again, cheap isn't always a good thing (usually means people don't want to live there). But in this case, since you are pointing out a flawed complaint from people, I will second this. OKC is still dirt cheap (again, not a good thing, but it has increased quite a bit).

And honestly, it probably isn't a good look being $200 cheaper than Birmingham AL or Tulsa. Not sure how I feel about this.

Again, cheap isn't always a good thing (usually means people don't want to live there). But in this case, since you are pointing out a flawed complaint from people, I will second this. OKC is still dirt cheap (again, not a good thing, but it has increased quite a bit).

And honestly, it probably isn't a good look being $200 cheaper than Birmingham AL or Tulsa. Not sure how I feel about this.

No it’s Not a good look. Quiet part out loud here the city needs forward positive image. Somehow make this a place people want to live

The negativity about OKC always is amazing to me. Our population is growing, so it seems to me people do want to live here.

The negativity about OKC always is amazing to me. Our population is growing, so it seems to me people do want to live here.

But highlighting something is cheap isn't a positive. People are moving here, but the reason we struggle getting is because of our reputation for being cheap. California is very expensive, but mostly because people want to live there.

OKC has a lot of positives, but being super cheap is not a good thing.

And honestly, it probably isn't a good look being $200 cheaper than Birmingham AL or Tulsa. Not sure how I feel about this.

And yet in 2025 OKC gained 7,589 new residents while Tulsa added a whopping 146. I'd say we're doing pretty well.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/05/17/oklahoma-city-population-top-20-us-census-data-growth/73729737007/

And yet in 2025 OKC gained 7,589 new residents while Tulsa added a whopping 146. I'd say we're doing pretty well.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/05/17/oklahoma-city-population-top-20-us-census-data-growth/73729737007/

Remember OKC city limits is 621 sq mi while Tulsa is only 186 sq mi. Expand Tulsa’s city limits to that size and I bet it’s close if not higher.

Remember OKC city limits is 621 sq mi while Tulsa is only 186 sq mi. Expand Tulsa’s city limits to that size and I bet it’s close if not higher.

Just doing a little rough math here. OKC gained > 10 residents per sq mile while Tulsa gained less than one.

Just doing a little rough math here. OKC gained > 10 residents per sq mile while Tulsa gained less than one.

If you expanded Tulsa to 621 sq mi it would include all of Tulsa County (587 sq mi) and parts of adjacent counties. Doing math the growth rate for between 2022-23 for Tulsa County was 5510 which would be 9.4 residents per sq mi.

Remember OKC city limits is 621 sq mi while Tulsa is only 186 sq mi. Expand Tulsa’s city limits to that size and I bet it’s close if not higher.

Despite the fact it is obvious that OKC is bigger and growing faster, It is apparent Tulsa’s just can’t accept it. All these “oh yeah, if you …… then Tulsa is better” arguments using arbitrary limits and hypotheticals is silly. We see a lot of excuses here.

Ok has two good cities we should be proud of. Let’s accept one is larger than the other and has been growing faster. It isn’t a referendum on if one is cooler than the other. Right now, it is just how things are going for a lot of reasons.

I see OKC as being inexpensive because land is relatively cheap and abundant and building codes are not restrictive. Cities such as Birminhgham are very hilly and cheap building land is not plentiful. Supply and demand and OKC is a place supply can keep up.

I see OKC as being inexpensive because land is relatively cheap and abundant and building codes are not restrictive. Cities such as Birminhgham are very hilly and cheap building land is not plentiful. Supply and demand and OKC is a place supply can keep up.

Sprawl is generally a bad thing. Amenity is more desirable in quality of life metrics.

I see OKC as being inexpensive because land is relatively cheap and abundant and building codes are not restrictive. Cities such as Birminhgham are very hilly and cheap building land is not plentiful. Supply and demand and OKC is a place supply can keep up.

Agree

To say rent is cheap in okc because people don't want to live here is way oversimplifying it. There's a lot more that goes into it. Codes, land availability, land use. In Oklahoma, there's probably more people buying than renting. If you have people buying instead of renting, that's going to affect rent prices too.

In California they talk about affordable housing but every time someone tries to make that happen, the NIMBYs put the kibosh on it. And they change the codes to where high density housing can't be built. All these are contributors to high rent.

Sprawl is generally a bad thing. Amenity is more desirable in quality of life metrics.

I agree with you 100%. But some realities are that wives want "good schools", and those are almost always in sprawling areas. The incredible land mass of Oklahoma City means we can (and do) sprawl without hiding behind suburbs. I continue to hammer the point that Oklahoma City has access to water and land at a level that makes us the envy of America. We are an affordable city in which to build and live. We have all the "good stuff". I know and agree that we can think of ourselves as a "hick town" or "cow town". But at the same time we must acknowledge that our politics and social make up are the same as every other southern state. Fast growing Texas, Georgia or Alabama have the same conservative leadership, yet we somehow think they really have it together. And we somehow convince ourselves big, international companies want them because they have better politics than us.

You can rent cheaper in Oklahoma City because the starts have aligned to make all factors more affordable than anywhere else in America. That is a good thing.

I agree with you 100%. But some realities are that wives want "good schools", and those are almost always in sprawling areas. The incredible land mass of Oklahoma City means we can (and do) sprawl without hiding behind suburbs. I continue to hammer the point that Oklahoma City has access to water and land at a level that makes us the envy of America. We are an affordable city in which to build and live. We have all the "good stuff". I know and agree that we can think of ourselves as a "hick town" or "cow town". But at the same time we must acknowledge that our politics and social make up are the same as every other southern state. Fast growing Texas, Georgia or Alabama have the same conservative leadership, yet we somehow think they really have it together. And we somehow convince ourselves big, international companies want them because they have better politics than us.

Another reality is that most of us husbands also want good schools.

I agree with you 100%. But some realities are that wives want "good schools", and those are almost always in sprawling areas. The incredible land mass of Oklahoma City means we can (and do) sprawl without hiding behind suburbs. I continue to hammer the point that Oklahoma City has access to water and land at a level that makes us the envy of America. We are an affordable city in which to build and live. We have all the "good stuff". I know and agree that we can think of ourselves as a "hick town" or "cow town". But at the same time we must acknowledge that our politics and social make up are the same as every other southern state. Fast growing Texas, Georgia or Alabama have the same conservative leadership, yet we somehow think they really have it together. And we somehow convince ourselves big, international companies want them because they have better politics than us.

You can rent cheaper in Oklahoma City because the starts have aligned to make all factors more affordable than anywhere else in America. That is a good thing.

We are more affordable because we pay low wages and don’t spend on education and have little capital to spend.

And thinking just women should focus on schools is the backwards thinking helping keep this state where it is.


Companies don’t first think of moving their headquarters here but will always consider us for low paying factory jobs. And the prevailing politics isn’t really appealing to the innovative leaders to move here.

ok, now a positive. the pics they used for OKC are amazing, especially this one:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/19/06/85056471-13434555-image-a-98_1716095892061.jpg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-13434555/America-big-cities-lowest-rent-big-metro-areas-residents.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Too bad ESPN and TNT didn't get that message. Would look even better if it were recent.

Despite the fact it is obvious that OKC is bigger and growing faster, It is apparent Tulsa’s just can’t accept it. All these “oh yeah, if you …… then Tulsa is better” arguments using arbitrary limits and hypotheticals is silly. We see a lot of excuses here.

Ok has two good cities we should be proud of. Let’s accept one is larger than the other and has been growing faster. It isn’t a referendum on if one is cooler than the other. Right now, it is just how things are going for a lot of reasons.



I'm not really sure why you seem to have a constant axe to grind against Tulsa but there's nothing wrong with people from there taking issue with posters here saying things like:


"And yet in 2025 OKC gained 7,589 new residents while Tulsa added a whopping 146 You and everyone here (I'm assuming), but you especially, know that it's disingenuous to use the city population numbers to compare growth between the two cities and act like OKC legitimately grew 51 times more than Tulsa did last year. OKC makes up nearly 10% of the total MSA area and Tulsa makes up just over 3% of the Tulsa MSA. I've lived in both cities for multiple years at a time recently so maybe I'm one of few here is actually capable of being objective.

If you aren't using the MSA statistics, you don't care about reality and what actually matters when discussing the growth of a city. It's true that OKC is the larger city and is growing faster, but it's also true that the city population numbers don't tell anywhere close to the whole story. Percentage change wise, they aren't that far off (especially the 2022-2023 estimates). The MSA statistics:

OKC MSA
2020: 1,425,695
2023: 1,477,926
Diff: 52,231
%: 3.66%

2022: 1,459,957
Diff: 17,969
%: 1.23%

Tulsa MSA
2020: 1,015,331
2023: 1,044,757
Diff: 29,426
%: 2.90%

2022: 1,034,048
Diff: 10,709
%: 1.04%

Tulsa is a fine town. (I mine that in that "fine dining" way, not the "It's fine" way.)

Tulsa is a fine town. (I mine that in that "fine dining" way, not the "It's fine" way.)

Well Oklahoma was just "OK" by its own admission/state slogan for years so hell, it's probably a complement either way lol.

Regarding getting the possibility of getting Softball Olympics isn't there more proposed development in that area?

Regarding getting the possibility of getting Softball Olympics isn't there more proposed development in that area?

Saw on the news the other day the the 45th infantry museum is building a larger better facility over near the Railway Museum.

Regarding getting the possibility of getting Softball Olympics isn't there more proposed development in that area?

Saw on the news the other day the 45th infantry museum is building a larger better facility over near the Railway Museum.

I'm not really sure why you seem to have a constant axe to grind against Tulsa but there's nothing wrong with people from there taking issue with posters here saying things like:

You and everyone here (I'm assuming), but you especially, know that it's disingenuous to use the city population numbers to compare growth between the two cities and act like OKC legitimately grew 51 times more than Tulsa did last year. OKC makes up nearly 10% of the total MSA area and Tulsa makes up just over 3% of the Tulsa MSA. I've lived in both cities for multiple years at a time recently so maybe I'm one of few here is actually capable of being objective.

If you aren't using the MSA statistics, you don't care about reality and what actually matters when discussing the growth of a city. It's true that OKC is the larger city and is growing faster, but it's also true that the city population numbers don't tell anywhere close to the whole story. Percentage change wise, they aren't that far off (especially the 2022-2023 estimates). The MSA statistics:

OKC MSA
2020: 1,425,695
2023: 1,477,926
Diff: 52,231
%: 3.66%

2022: 1,459,957
Diff: 17,969
%: 1.23%

Tulsa MSA
2020: 1,015,331
2023: 1,044,757
Diff: 29,426
%: 2.90%

2022: 1,034,048
Diff: 10,709
%: 1.04%

but OKC isn't growing in it's rural areas in raw numbers like Tulsan's always try to say. OKC's growth is in the core and established areas NW, W, and SW. OKC has more opportunity in those areas but its not expanding in rural NE, SE. OKC does make up half of the OKC metro pop, but one should not discount the municipal pop as it is what the census uses to measure cities and make appropriations. OKC is significantly bigger than Tulsa in that regard *almost double, even if Tulsa took the same area.

We could argue the same about metro area, Tulsa's metro land area is larger than OKC's, hence why Tulsa is now able to get to 1 million, while census takes away Shawnee from OKC metro even though it is literally a few miles away from OKC limits and is connected to the city. ...

Rover is correct, Tulsan's should accept that OKC is bigger, always has been. That's ok you know, it benefits Tulsa to have a successful OKC competing against other state's largest cities. ...

but OKC isn't growing in it's rural areas in raw numbers like Tulsan's always try to say. OKC's growth is in the core and established areas NW, W, and SW. OKC has more opportunity in those areas but its not expanding in rural NE, SE. OKC does make up half of the OKC metro pop, but one should not discount the municipal pop as it is what the census uses to measure cities and make appropriations. OKC is significantly bigger than Tulsa in that regard *almost double, even if Tulsa took the same area.

We could argue the same about metro area, Tulsa's metro land area is larger than OKC's, hence why Tulsa is now able to get to 1 million, while census takes away Shawnee from OKC metro even though it is literally a few miles away from OKC limits and is connected to the city. ...

Rover is correct, Tulsan's should accept that OKC is bigger, always has been. That's ok you know, it benefits Tulsa to have a successful OKC competing against other state's largest cities. ...

Based on common sense and just driving around both metros…you have no clue what you’re talking about but also from an article about Oklahoma’s population growth since 2020:


Oklahoma City’s core county, Oklahoma County, lost more residents to other parts of the state (over 7,000) than it gained from other states since 2020 (Map 1, Panel B). Canadian County—the westernmost county in the OKC metro—grew the most during the pandemic by far, adding more than 11,000 residents on net from inside and outside the state, while McClain County on the southern end of the metro netted nearly 3,900 new residents.


Counties bordering the core of Oklahoma City and Tulsa added the most residents with the rise of working from home,

https://www.kansascityfed.org/oklahomacity/oklahoma-economist/population-boom-where-are-oklahomas-newest-residents-living-and-working/#:~:text=Canadian%20County%E2%80%94the%20westernmo st%20county,netted%20nearly%203%2C900%20new%20resi dents.

OKC’s metro land area at 6,359 square miles is also larger then Tulsa’s at 6,269 square miles. And as far as Shawnee goes, you could say the same about Bartlesville in Tulsa. The only reason it’s anywhere near okc’s city limits is because of how massive OKC is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_metropolitan_area

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_metropolitan_area#:~:text=The%20Tulsa%20metr opolitan%20area%2C%20officially,Creek%2C%20Okmulge e%20and%20Pawnee%20counties.

Do you just make things up then string a bunch of rambling nonsense together about them?

ha, wikipedia is your source? Most if not all the content/mods there are from Tulsa; they used OKC CSA area in that number you listed.

Here is a better, more accurate account: https://census (https://<strong>census</strong>)reporter.org/profiles/31000US36420-oklahoma-city-ok-metro-area/ (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/31000US36420-oklahoma-city-ok-metro-area/)

Let me spell it out for you so you dont even need to lift a finger:


Oklahoma City, OK Metro Area

Core Based Statistical Area in: Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/33000US416-oklahoma-city-shawnee-ok-csa/), United States (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/01000US-united-states/)
1,459,380Population
5,511.7 square miles 264.8 people per square mile
Census data:ACS 2022 1-year unless noted


Tulsa, OK Metro Area

Core Based Statistical Area in: Tulsa-Muskogee-Bartlesville, OK CSA (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/33000US538-tulsa-muskogee-bartlesville-ok-csa/), United States (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/01000US-united-states/)
1,033,157Population
6,270.2 square miles164.8 people per square mile
Census data:ACS 2022 1-year unless noted


Now, let's check out CSAs, since Wiki used OKC's but not Tulsa's:

Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA

Combined Statistical Area in: United States (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/01000US-united-states/)
1,532,913Population
6,299.5 square miles 243.3 people per square mile
Census data:ACS 2022 1-year unless noted


Tulsa-Muskogee-Bartlesville, OK CSA

Combined Statistical Area in: United States (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/01000US-united-states/)
1,152,753Population
7,496.4 square miles, 153.8 people per square mile
Census data:ACS 2022 1-year unless noted


Care to take back YOUR ridiculous argument about 'common sense' now? Last I checked, 5517 was less than 6270, from US CENSUS DATA.

Even if comparing CSA, OKC is still significantly smaller in area. You can see the relative densities, OKC is more dense whether it's either MSA or CSA, but I specifically was arguing MSA - Metro Area. OKC CSA is basically the same area as Tulsa's MSA, but far more people.

We can agree that OKC's City Limit is massively larger than Tulsa's, but to sit and rant about if Tulsa were as large as OKC's area would be bigger population is beyond reality.

Mike Drop!

ha, wikipedia is your source? Most if not all the content/mods there are from Tulsa; they used OKC CSA area in that number you listed.

Here is a better, more accurate account: https:// (https://<strong>census</strong>)census (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/31000US36420-oklahoma-city-ok-metro-area/)reporter.org/profiles/31000US36420-oklahoma-city-ok-metro-area/ (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/31000US36420-oklahoma-city-ok-metro-area/)

Let me spell it out for you so you dont even need to lift a finger:


Oklahoma City, OK Metro Area

Core Based Statistical Area in: Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/33000US416-oklahoma-city-shawnee-ok-csa/), United States (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/01000US-united-states/)
1,459,380Population
5,511.7 square miles 264.8 people per square mile
Census data:ACS 2022 1-year unless noted


Tulsa, OK Metro Area

Core Based Statistical Area in: Tulsa-Muskogee-Bartlesville, OK CSA (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/33000US538-tulsa-muskogee-bartlesville-ok-csa/), United States (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/01000US-united-states/)
1,033,157Population
6,270.2 square miles164.8 people per square mile
Census data:ACS 2022 1-year unless noted


Now, let's check out CSAs, since Wiki used OKC's but not Tulsa's:

Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA

Combined Statistical Area in: United States (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/01000US-united-states/)
1,532,913Population
6,299.5 square miles 243.3 people per square mile
Census data:ACS 2022 1-year unless noted


Tulsa-Muskogee-Bartlesville, OK CSA

Combined Statistical Area in: United States (https://censusreporter.org/profiles/01000US-united-states/)
1,152,753Population
7,496.4 square miles, 153.8 people per square mile
Census data:ACS 2022 1-year unless noted


Care to take back YOUR ridiculous argument about 'common sense' now? Last I checked, 5517 was less than 6270, from US CENSUS DATA.

Even if comparing CSA, OKC is still significantly smaller in area. You can see the relative densities, OKC is more dense whether it's either MSA or CSA, but I specifically was arguing MSA - Metro Area. OKC CSA is basically the same area as Tulsa's MSA, but far more people.

We can agree that OKC's City Limit is massively larger than Tulsa's, but to sit and rant about if Tulsa were as large as OKC's area would be bigger population is beyond reality.

Mike Drop!

My common sense argument was very clearly in regard to your uncited comment about all of OKC’s growth being in established areas and not the crap ton of rural space being developed here, which you completely ignored ya jack wagon. I’m not sure if you had a stroke or what but you’ve turned into one of the most ridiculous posters here over the last year or two. Congrats on refuting the secondary point I made in my post though!

Your last line just stupid. No one has said Tulsa would be have the same population as OKC if it were bigger and the only one here “ranting” about anything is you, per usual

Also you should apologize to Mike for dropping him, that wasn’t very nice.