Yeah, hard to undo that.

Because they want to leave room for "Let's Go Thunder" banners during the playoffs for the next ten years!

That would work for me!!

Because they want to leave room for "Let's Go Thunder" banners during the playoffs for the next ten years!

Would be nice if Sandridge used a different night time lighting scheme instead of the yellow flood lights,which I miss right now cause it adds color and light to the dt night skyline,anyone know when the lights will be back on?I'm assuming after the constructions done but I dont know for sure.

Come on, give me a break. Just a few months ago SR was in the process of reducing their OKC workforce and large chunks of the tower weren't even being used. Now you guys are talking about them building another tower and an entire urban campus just because Tom Ward is proceeding with one of the buildings he said he would keep?

The OKC Talk chat vacuum is a funny, funny thing...

Come on, give me a break. Just a few months ago SR was in the process of reducing their OKC workforce and large chunks of the tower weren't even being used. Now you guys are talking about them building another tower and an entire urban campus just because Tom Ward is proceeding with one of the buildings he said he would keep?

The OKC Talk chat vacuum is a funny, funny thing...

A few months ago? Try a couple years ago. It seems you haven't followed them very closely since you've been out of the country. They have completely changed their business model and are doing really well. The stock has tripled in the last 8 months and most have a price target of 16-20. If NG ever comes back to normal they are a $40 stock.

We get it that you hate Sandridge and Tom Ward but at least get your facts straight.

Come on, give me a break. Just a few months ago SR was in the process of reducing their OKC workforce and large chunks of the tower weren't even being used. Now you guys are talking about them building another tower and an entire urban campus just because Tom Ward is proceeding with one of the buildings he said he would keep?

The OKC Talk chat vacuum is a funny, funny thing...

You should read Steve's article a few weeks back on Sandridge. Moreover, Steve stated from the things he is hearing he is gaining confidence a new office tower will be built, see post #2598 in the Sandridge Center & Commons thread, if anybody knows it's Steve...

I trust and respect Steve's gut, but I also have my own, not to mention my own brain to think with. I'll stick with being a SR skeptic, and that has nothing to do with the 2 old buildings they needlessly destroyed to improve their view. Tom Ward can talk about building a tower to the moon built of suitcases filled with cash if he wants and I will still be skeptical. Larry Nichols dismisses rumors and denies that he is planning a tower, and then my gut tells me something is up. See the difference? One is a serious person, the other...eh.


A few months ago? Try a couple years ago. It seems you haven't followed them very closely since you've been out of the country. They have completely changed their business model and are doing really well. The stock has tripled in the last 8 months and most have a price target of 16-20. If NG ever comes back to normal they are a $40 stock.

We get it that you hate Sandridge and Tom Ward but at least get your facts straight.

Years ago? Years ago SandRidge didn't even exist, so once again, give me a break already. I will give you 1 year. Also realize that their stock started to go up at exactly the same time most other energy stocks started to soar--when the Middle East uprisings began.

I'm the one that needs to get my facts straight?

I trust and respect Steve's gut, but I also have my own, not to mention my own brain to think with. I'll stick with being a SR skeptic, and that has nothing to do with the 2 old buildings they needlessly destroyed to improve their view. Tom Ward can talk about building a tower to the moon built of suitcases filled with cash if he wants and I will still be skeptical. Larry Nichols dismisses rumors and denies that he is planning a tower, and then my gut tells me something is up. See the difference? One is a serious person, the other...eh.



Years ago? Years ago SandRidge didn't even exist, so once again, give me a break already. I will give you 1 year. Also realize that their stock started to go up at exactly the same time most other energy stocks started to soar--when the Middle East uprisings began.

I'm the one that needs to get my facts straight?

I'm curious Sparky. While you were supposedly absent from the forum were you not posting under the handle "Just the facts"? Confirm or deny?

Spartan, the same could have been said of Chesapeake, and still is said. They are now on building 15. They are about to complete Whole Foods and have made great progress in the Curve. Sometimes the style and the patterns of companies are different, but it doesn't mean they won't be successful. I don't know Ward and SR well, but it is too early to bet on their failure.

I trust and respect Steve's gut, but I also have my own, not to mention my own brain to think with. I'll stick with being a SR skeptic, and that has nothing to do with the 2 old buildings they needlessly destroyed to improve their view. Tom Ward can talk about building a tower to the moon built of suitcases filled with cash if he wants and I will still be skeptical. Larry Nichols dismisses rumors and denies that he is planning a tower, and then my gut tells me something is up. See the difference? One is a serious person, the other...eh.



Years ago? Years ago SandRidge didn't even exist, so once again, give me a break already. I will give you 1 year. Also realize that their stock started to go up at exactly the same time most other energy stocks started to soar--when the Middle East uprisings began.

I'm the one that needs to get my facts straight?

Ah, the queen of negativity returns. Actually sandridge's stock has been going up almost constantly since last summer with an exception of the last 2 months or so. Even before all the other energy companies stocks' started rising because of the middle eastern problems, sandridge's stock had double from last summer.

I'm curious Sparky. While you were supposedly absent from the forum were you not posting under the handle "Just the facts"? Confirm or deny?

Betts thinks "Just the Facts" = "Kerry"

When asked, I don't think he confirmed or denied, just let it pass (over in the Streetcar thread).

Betts thinks "Just the Facts" = "Kerry"

When asked, I don't think he confirmed or denied, just let it pass (over in the Streetcar thread).

That Popsy post you quoted is kinda funny. Well, I wasn't completely "supposedly" absent from the forum, just when I was busy..which was a few months here and there. I think we already established that "Just the Facts" is Kerry when he started in on the single tram lines with his own tacky-made "maps" from Microsoft Paint.

Spartan, the same could have been said of Chesapeake, and still is said. They are now on building 15. They are about to complete Whole Foods and have made great progress in the Curve. Sometimes the style and the patterns of companies are different, but it doesn't mean they won't be successful. I don't know Ward and SR well, but it is too early to bet on their failure.

This is true, but the fact that Chesapeake is a Fortune 500 corporation makes things different. Chesapeake is also a name company that many Americans have heard of if they know energy companies. SandRidge, not so much. Of course, you're absolutely right that Chesapeake has always had a turbulent past as well. Salient point, but I don't think it changes the point to be wary of these types of dramatic/turbulent/controversial corporations.

Come on, give me a break. Just a few months ago SR was in the process of reducing their OKC workforce and large chunks of the tower weren't even being used. Now you guys are talking about them building another tower and an entire urban campus just because Tom Ward is proceeding with one of the buildings he said he would keep?

The OKC Talk chat vacuum is a funny, funny thing...

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uFG2SFSrNDc/SI6FfAXxqOI/AAAAAAAAANM/7SV_kwZMxFs/s320/NotThis****Again.jpg

SandRidge has already pumped tens of millions into buying the tower, renovating it, all the demolition and a decent amount of construction already on a new basement and plaza. They are expected to start on the Braniff and amenities building later this year.

They have already spent a ton of money and are getting ready to spend a lot more, so building another tower wouldn't represent something radically new, just a continuation of what they've been doing for the last couple of years.

Not sure why the pic in my last post didn't show up. Oh well.

Also, can we merge this thread with the other SandRidge thread?

Layoffs happened April '09. http://www.newson6.com/story/10120437/layoffs-at-sandridge-energy

Nice try, though. You really should keep up with the news if you are going to spew this stuff.

SD's stock went up because they were the first company to transition to oil and did it at very cheap prices. They are returning 100% on their oil wells and are doing really well without even considering their NG potential.

Again, you obviously know very little about their business so you might want to just stick to critiquing their urban design.


I trust and respect Steve's gut, but I also have my own, not to mention my own brain to think with. I'll stick with being a SR skeptic, and that has nothing to do with the 2 old buildings they needlessly destroyed to improve their view. Tom Ward can talk about building a tower to the moon built of suitcases filled with cash if he wants and I will still be skeptical. Larry Nichols dismisses rumors and denies that he is planning a tower, and then my gut tells me something is up. See the difference? One is a serious person, the other...eh.



Years ago? Years ago SandRidge didn't even exist, so once again, give me a break already. I will give you 1 year. Also realize that their stock started to go up at exactly the same time most other energy stocks started to soar--when the Middle East uprisings began.

I'm the one that needs to get my facts straight?

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/aw_jeez.jpg

This is true, but the fact that Chesapeake is a Fortune 500 corporation makes things different. Chesapeake is also a name company that many Americans have heard of if they know energy companies. SandRidge, not so much. Of course, you're absolutely right that Chesapeake has always had a turbulent past as well. Salient point, but I don't think it changes the point to be wary of these types of dramatic/turbulent/controversial corporations.

Not sure exactly how SR is controversial. Chesapeake, definitely is, but not so much SR. Also, CHK didn't start out as a nationally well known entity and wasn't until about 5 years ago when it wasn't a lot bigger than SR. Every company has to start somewhere and SR has started out pretty well, it definitely hasn't has as turbulent of past as CHK.

Not sure exactly how SR is controversial. Chesapeake, definitely is, but not so much SR. Also, CHK didn't start out as a nationally well known entity and wasn't until about 5 years ago when it wasn't a lot bigger than SR. Every company has to start somewhere and SR has started out pretty well, it definitely hasn't has as turbulent of past as CHK.

Great point, I remember when CHK stock was 0.85!! Crazy.

Layoffs happened April '09. http://www.newson6.com/story/10120437/layoffs-at-sandridge-energy

Nice try, though. You really should keep up with the news if you are going to spew this stuff.

SD's stock went up because they were the first company to transition to oil and did it at very cheap prices. They are returning 100% on their oil wells and are doing really well without even considering their NG potential.

Again, you obviously know very little about their business so you might want to just stick to critiquing their urban design.

Yeah, I will stick to that, and I was also talking about the likelihood of them building a "new tower" regardless of what people want to hear right now. The frame of mind everyone has right now is, "Ok, now who's gonna build the next sksyscraper, huh, huh, huh?!?!" I could care less about their new business model or whatever, but I do wish them the absolute best with it.

Yeah, I will stick to that, and I was also talking about the likelihood of them building a "new tower" regardless of what people want to hear right now. The frame of mind everyone has right now is, "Ok, now who's gonna build the next sksyscraper, huh, huh, huh?!?!" I could care less about their new business model or whatever, but I do wish them the absolute best with it.

The issue is that the new business model has everything to do with whether or not they build. You want to have it both ways, to badmouth their business then say you couldn't care less about their business model. Pretty silly.

Well I don't have to stay at a Holiday Inn to be able to ascertain the likelihood of them actually following through with Tom Ward's wildest dreams.. granted, probably just as low as Aubrey's were 10-15 years ago. So we'll see..

Well I don't have to stay at a Holiday Inn to be able to ascertain the likelihood of them actually following through with Tom Ward's wildest dreams.. granted, probably just as low as Aubrey's were 10-15 years ago. So we'll see..

True, it's by no means a certainty. Just remember that CHK wasn't just Aubrey's baby, Tom Ward had just as much to do with the success the as Aubrey did, he was just behind the scenes, but there is no CHK without Tom Ward as he cofounded and co-ran the company.

Yeah grace, But who are you going to believe an internet poster or a near billionaire......

Duke, can you approximate when Kerr-McGee hit 2,000 folks? I'm thinking this was probably about 1980 or so when the oil boom was going full steam and downtown occupancy was at zero. In my book "OKC Second Time Around" I wrote about how the company was seriously considering building a new office tower where the BancFirst drive-thru is now, just north of the Skirvin hotel. Even published the rendering for the building. I also find it curious that they never proceeded with their plan to build a twin to the Belluschi-designed tower.

Steve, as I understand it, the peak was right around 1980. This is before my time with KM, but I spoke with a former colleague today who was around then.

If nothing else, the last 15 or so posts have illustrated the difference between 'urbanist' and 'preservationist'.

Ok, so I contacted a friend of mine who used to work with me, who is now working for Sandridge as an executive assistant, and he has been working there a few months now. I asked him about the rumors of an new office tower for Sandridge. He said the rumors are true, that Sandridge will be starting a new office tower within the next year, and it will be over 20 floors/stories, this is great news!

I'll believe your friend when I see it!

So, your guy that is a secretary at Sandridge said they are building a tower next year? I don't believe it! Shareholders will not allow it! They need to make a profit for an entire year first!

Ok, we will see, lol...Its funny how people doubt, a lot of people said the same about Devon, lol.

If I remember correctly, people have vehemently doubted several things on this board, including claims that continental was going to move to OKC, and more so on other forums that the Devon tower was actually going to be built, and so far from what I've seen, the doubters have been wrong in most cases. Usually if someone has good enough inside information to be confident enough to post on the forum, they probably no what they are talking about more so than the people doubting them, especially on a thread in which there has already been several people, including Steve, who have claimed the same.

On another note, like it or not, sandridge has done literally everything they've said they were going to so far... If there are people on the inside saying they plan to build it, I would imagine there is something to that. Also, CHK is a prime example that you don't necessarily have to be making money to build things...

It's not that hard to distinguish between wild rumors and pretty reliable advanced information.

It's pretty clear a new SandRidge building is the latter; and I'm sure the details (when it will start, height, etc.) are probably fuzzy even with SR at this point.


In any event, I consider this good news and will go a long way to increasing the vitality and density of that area of the CBD.

PheeAlpha,
Don't get me wrong, k? What I'm saying is that I'll believe it when I see a press clipping on newsok.com or on the front page of their paper. Yes, Steve works for that same publication and ol' boy knows someone who works on the inside. I got that. I just will be more happy when I see it in person. When I see new renderings and actual ground work and upward progress being made. That's the clarification between naysayers and dreamers.

PheeAlpha,
Don't get me wrong, k? What I'm saying is that I'll believe it when I see a press clipping on newsok.com or on the front page of their paper. Yes, Steve works for that same publication and ol' boy knows someone who works on the inside. I got that. I just will be more happy when I see it in person. When I see new renderings and actual ground work and upward progress being made. That's the clarification between naysayers and dreamers.

LOL. I guess the same could be said of EVERY project. Even seeing the renderings and models don't insure something is going to actually get built. That isn't exclusive to SR. Shoot, if I were them I wouldn't publicize anything in advance either given the criticism they have received in the past.

LOL. I guess the same could be said of EVERY project. Even seeing the renderings and models don't insure something is going to actually get built. That isn't exclusive to SR. Shoot, if I were them I wouldn't publicize anything in advance either given the criticism they have received in the past.

Yeah, I understand that tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, lol, but remember when Devon held a press conference and revealed the shiny model of the tower on a wood cutout and it was AWESOME? Yeah, that went through AND that's all we've seen here in 25+ years. So when Sandridge has their official press conference and unveiling, I will believe it, just like I did with Devon Energy ;-)

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/120kerr1.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/120kerr2.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/120kerr3.jpg

Absolutely love it. If built as designed, I think that will be the best modern building in OKC. I love how everything is stacked. SO not the way we're used to things in sprawl country.


I now believe it's incorrect to say the India Temple building was demolished to make way for permanent plaza.

I think they would have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they had left the India Temple building standing until they are ready to replace it. Although some who fought the demolitions did so solely on the principle of historic merit, most of us (including myself) were mostly concerned with the loss of density, which it's now clear they intend to eventually replace.


Here is a list of buildings by the same architect. He seemed to like that concrete with square windows look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Belluschi

Oh wow, he also did the notorious Pan Am/MetLife building in NYC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetLife_Building

I can't wait for the new building (120 Kerr) to be built. It really is interesting and will add some much needed modern character to that part of downtown. IMHO that part of downtown is quite bland.

So, this has not been "officially" announced, but, everyone seems convinced it will happen. Let's do a Dean Blevins here. What do you think the percentage chances are that we will see a new Sandridge tower in the next 3-5 years?

So, this has not been "officially" announced, but, everyone seems convinced it will happen. Let's do a Dean Blevins here. What do you think the percentage chances are that we will see a new Sandridge tower in the next 3-5 years?

Ok, I'd honestly rather be Toby Rowland. I'm going to go with 82%.

... What do you think the percentage chances are that we will see a new Sandridge tower in the next 3-5 years?

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So, this has not been "officially" announced, but, everyone seems convinced it will happen. Let's do a Dean Blevins here. What do you think the percentage chances are that we will see a new Sandridge tower in the next 3-5 years?

99.9%, and that there will be an announcement before the end of the year...

99.9%, and that there will be an announcement before the end of the year...

I'll say 99% and yes G. Walker I agree with you, there will be one before the year is over with.

99.9%, and that there will be an announcement before the end of the year...

You mean, before the end of the world...lol ;-)

From today:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/sandridge8311.jpg

Can't wait to see this when it is all complete. Thanks for the picture updates.

It was a popular design in 1971.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1971_architecture

Here is a list of buildings by the same architect. He seemed to like that concrete with square windows look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Belluschi

It's funny how many buildings looks like same here...

Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan = the exact same design, just shorter for OK BCBS on Hefner Parkway.
Two Wells Fargo Center = Chase with a different color on the exterior cladding.

Article in today's Journal Record about the SandRidge campus.

Anyone with a subscription care to post it?

Article in today's Journal Record about the SandRidge campus.

Anyone with a subscription care to post it?

Not much new news...

SandRidge Energy continues work on campus

By Brianna Bailey
Oklahoma City reporter - Contact 405-278-2847
Posted: 07:55 PM Thursday, August 11, 2011

OKLAHOMA CITY – Workers have just finished removing the decades of paint and grime from a small patch of brick on one side of downtown’s historic Braniff Building, revealing the wall’s original dark red color.

The building at 324 N. Robinson Ave., completed in 1923 by Oklahoma City businessman Thomas Braniff, will be one of the focal points of SandRidge Energy’s $100 million downtown corporate campus known as SandRidge Commons.

The ground floor will feature retail space and a restaurant that will be open to the public.

Renovations are slated for completion in late 2012. SandRidge is already in the process of finding a restaurateur to take over the space, said Greg Dewey, the company’s vice president of communications and community relations.

The finished campus, which will take another two or three years, will feature lush landscaping and public walkways throughout.

The idea is to make the campus as open and inviting for pedestrians downtown as it will be for SandRidge employees, Dewey said.

“We want people to feel like the Commons is their commons,” Dewey said.

SandRidge is also considering building another office building on the site of the now demolished India Temple building on Broadway Avenue, but there are no firm plans in place yet on the size and scope of the project, Dewey said.

“It will really depend on the future growth of the company,” Dewey said.

The Braniff Building will house about 200 SandRidge employees once completed and the renovated 29-story SandRidge tower will house about 900 workers. The company has about 620 corporate employees on its campus, but is rapidly growing, Dewey said. SandRidge has about 50 open positions it is trying to fill.

Traffic on the block has been narrowed to two lanes in some areas around the SandRidge Commons site. Lane closures will remain in place for the duration of construction, said Shannon Cox, a spokeswoman for Oklahoma City’s Project 180, which has been monitoring ongoing street improvements downtown.

I had previously posted:


To do some math in terms of future expansion...

SandRidge Tower: 490,000 square feet
Braniff Building: 83,000 square feet (SR said they would use this for expansion if needed)
Total: 573,000 square feet

Square footage needed per employee: 300 (estimate based on various standards)
Capacity of two buildings: 1,910 employees
Current number of employees downtown: 600 (according to Lackmeyer article of 6/13)

But the article above says the Tower & Braniff buildings combined will only hold 1,100 -- about 500 square feet per employee. No wonder they are already looking at adding a second tower... They are going to reach capacity very soon and it takes years to get a new building open for business.

I bet they are already starting to kick around pretty specific plans, with the one variable being the number of floors required.

At the same time, I bet they are drafting plans to add parking garages on the two vacant lots they own just north on Broadway. They will have removed all the parking on their campus and there is no way the city garages can absorb another 1,000 monthly parkers.

Which begs the question: Will the city require/encourage first floor retail/office space for those SandRidge parking garages?

Reggie, I do believe first floor retail is a part of their plans for those proposed garages, although I'm not sure where I heard that.

But it certainly makes sense, as that is prime frontage along that emerging Broadway corridor.

In the picture below, on the right side you can see a picture of what the new Sandridge Tower will look like. What do you guys think?

http://www.dougloudenback.com/downtown/92.jpg

Patrick, I'm confused...

In the picture below, on the right side you can see a picture of what the new Sandridge Tower will look like. What do you guys think?

http://www.dougloudenback.com/downtown/92.jpg

It appears to me that you created a self portrait of your self based on your personality.

My guess is he means...it won't happen. What we see now, it all we will ever see. Just a guess though.

That sounds right. Patrick's posts seem to revolve around pessimism and negativity.

$463,000 building permit today to remodel the 13th floor of the tower.

They are putting a lot of money into that building.

Check out this animation of Sandridge's campus, it shows a new conceptual building where the parking garage is along broadway (as has been speculated and somewhat confirmed):
http://www.skylineink.com/#projects/project&project_id=27&project_subtype_id=37

The same site has a different animation of Core to Shore that I had never seen before as well:
http://www.skylineink.com/#projects/project&project_id=11&project_subtype_id=12