I never said an agent was a necessarily a writer.

As for an example of your “work”, there are many, but this particular sentence is epically bad:


To those asking about the county assessor... Like I said, I have a friend who has ran his own business and been doing all that jive stuff for a while now, and he is also somehow linked to this OKC Market Center thing (again I can't say because my friend was told to keep his mouth shut), and he stated that with businesses, you won't see it until the anual timeframe for it to be listed, which should be some time in 2011.


Massively run on, broken syntax, bad conjugation, mismatched conjugation and misspellings. This sentence is hardly the only example. You seem to fear periods for some reason.

This sentence from your last post is pretty bad too:


I guess, though, that they want everything to be the same as previous movies before it.


And I’m no English major.

Did the agent sign you? Is he/she local? What other writers does this agent rep?

Hey Thunder? Where was that sign located? I went by there and didn't see it. We're you just joking?

You'll see it around. :LolLolLol

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6005/okcmctruck.jpg

that truck looks odd, it is really white on that side with the lettering lol, plus there is no sun glare like the other parts of the truck

that truck looks odd, it is really white on that side with the lettering lol, plus there is no sun glare like the other parts of the truck

LoL, and what is the blue palm tree about? Is the Market Center going to have a tropical theme?

The OKC market center is dead just like Crossroads. Just let the mall die already. The website does not seem to work and I found this http://investing.businessweek.com/research/sectorandindustry/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201009181809KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_12847_46816-1&params=timestamp%7C%7C09/18/2010%206:09%20PM%20ET%7C%7Cheadline%7C%7CThe%20Okl ahoman%2C%20Oklahoma%20City%2C%20Richard%20Mize%20 column%20%5BThe%20Oklahoman%2C%20Oklahoma%20City%5 D%7C%7CdocSource%7C%7CThe%20McClatchy%20Company%7C %7Cprovider%7C%7CACQUIREMEDIA

Crossroads Mall may be dead, Okc market center may be dead, but this thread should never die.

Crossroads Mall may be dead, Okc market center may be dead, but this thread should never die.

Zombie Thread?

Now it all makes sense

lol, perfect! Can't wait for the movie too!

A Zombie thread about a Zombie Mall filled with Zombies!

Just in time for Halloween.

i dont know whats worse for crossroads the future zombies or the current thugs that roam the area

I never said an agent was a necessarily a writer.

As for an example of your “work”, there are many, but this particular sentence is epically bad:


Massively run on, broken syntax, bad conjugation, mismatched conjugation and misspellings. This sentence is hardly the only example. You seem to fear periods for some reason.

This sentence from your last post is pretty bad too:


And I’m no English major.

Did the agent sign you? Is he/she local? What other writers does this agent rep?

Actually, a run on wouldn't be broken up by commas. I was upset and rushing when I wrote that, because face it, no forum poster is going to write like an english major when they're posting on the internet. People are on the forum to make posts and chat, not impress someone with correct sentence structure.

The agent I am talking with is out of New York. That's all I can say. I haven't been picked up yet, because he is waiting on me to revise my script.

I will tell you peeps (see, not trying to impress) what. I will upload my script either today or tomorrow here, as a PDF. You guys can read it, and tell me what you think.

You guys can also say you have a copy of the script before anyone else. I caution against borrowing even one idea of mine, as this script has been copyrighted for some time now.

Actually, a run on wouldn't be broken up by commas. I was upset and rushing when I wrote that, because face it, no forum poster is going to write like an english major when they're posting on the internet. People are on the forum to make posts and chat, not impress someone with correct sentence structure.

The agent I am talking with is out of New York. That's all I can say. I haven't been picked up yet, because he is waiting on me to revise my script.

I will tell you peeps (see, not trying to impress) what. I will upload my script either today or tomorrow here, as a PDF. You guys can read it, and tell me what you think.

You guys can also say you have a copy of the script before anyone else. I caution against borrowing even one idea of mine, as this script has been copyrighted for some time now.


nm

The OKC market center is dead just like Crossroads. Just let the mall die already. The website does not seem to work and I found this http://investing.businessweek.com/research/sectorandindustry/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201009181809KRTRIB__BUSNEWS_12847_46816-1&params=timestamp%7C%7C09/18/2010%206:09%20PM%20ET%7C%7Cheadline%7C%7CThe%20Okl ahoman%2C%20Oklahoma%20City%2C%20Richard%20Mize%20 column%20%5BThe%20Oklahoman%2C%20Oklahoma%20City%5 D%7C%7CdocSource%7C%7CThe%20McClatchy%20Company%7C %7Cprovider%7C%7CACQUIREMEDIA

You're quoting a news story where the collumnist speculated, instead of getting into contact with the girl who bought the mall.

The website doesn't work, but is still there. The domain is in effect until May, 2011. It could have been taken down, because they want to spruce it up, or they want to surprise people, but many found out about the site and spooked them.

No one knows for sure.

Read the article again. It confirmed there is NO deal to sell the mall to anyone right now.

Alas, Price Edwards & Co., would-be sellers for the Fed, as property manager and leasing agent for Maiden Lane, cannot talk about or even acknowledge any pending deals, under penalty of law.


Alack, there is no contract to sell the mall, Price Edwards' Jim Parrack said Friday. Crossroads Mall is still for sale for $24 million. Next!

That was said instead of a no comment speaks volume about the "deal". OKC Market so far is a gimick that is going no where. It was supposed to close at the end of July 2010 and that date has long passed. Someone cooked up a good story about the mall and everyone fell for it.

Read the article again. It confirmed there is NO deal to sell the mall to anyone right now.

That was said instead of a no comment speaks volume about the "deal". OKC Market so far is a gimick that is going no where. It was supposed to close at the end of July 2010 and that date has long passed. Someone cooked up a good story about the mall and everyone fell for it.

Difficult to agree with ya camaro when there is so much hard evidence out there

Read the article again. It confirmed there is NO deal to sell the mall to anyone right now.

That was said instead of a no comment speaks volume about the "deal". OKC Market so far is a gimick that is going no where. It was supposed to close at the end of July 2010 and that date has long passed. Someone cooked up a good story about the mall and everyone fell for it.

We have actually talked about all this when that story first came out before the thread became a zombie, secrete tunnel, screen writer thread. I'm sure megax will talked about how there are non-disclosure agreements and that a deal has already been signed, but they haven't talked about it yet and it isn't listed on public records yet.

Conspiracy theories just sound so much cooler. LOL

I would buy that if I didn't see movie after movie and TV show after TV show butchering the English language every day. Take a look at most scripts, they are not works of literary genius. Someone with an English degree is probably over qualified.

Here are the first two scenes from Jaws. Great movie but basic dialogue

I agree with Kerry here.

Difficult to agree with ya camaro when there is so much hard evidence out there

We know there is someone who wants to turn the market center into reality, thats about all we know. There have been many instances out there were development groups out there who has spent a lot more money and time on websites proposing grand plans, but ultimately fail.

what if the web site was for prelaunch marketing and not for the GP?

Revelationist

what if the web site was for prelaunch marketing and not for the GP?

Revelationist

Its kind of assume its meant for the general public if a website is published. There is no reason to have a working website as a "placeholder". If they were trying to promote it to a potential investor without the public knowing they would just send an email with the power point attached to a potential stakeholder or send them some marketing material in the mail.

Whats more plausible is that someone is trying to gather support for their market center idea so they leaked the name to someone who works at the mall. They then took the website down when people at this forum started bad mouthing the website over its qualtity.

If this is a campaign to build hype, what has this campaign accomplished? It just got buried with the dozens of other rumors having to do with crossroads mall. Only a few thousand people(if that much) who read this thread know all the details about the maket center and thats not saying much.




I think theirs a good chance a revamped website comes back, but its the tone of the website that matters. Will it still be a sales pitch or will it be informing the public of something that is actually happening?

Maybe. I'm inclined to think it's more like someone waived some free tickets outside Frontier City. Sure it was an ok way to hang around and pass some time, but it's not anything that will really butter yer biscuits.

I like how this thread has turned into somehow holding up Lethal Weapon 4 as a standard for movie script writing...I suppose its right up there with "Commando"

Its kind of assume its meant for the general public if a website is published. There is no reason to have a working website as a "placeholder". If they were trying to promote it to a potential investor without the public knowing they would just send an email with the power point attached to a potential stakeholder or send them some marketing material in the mail.

Whats more plausible is that someone is trying to gather support for their market center idea so they leaked the name to someone who works at the mall. They then took the website down when people at this forum started bad mouthing the website over its qualtity.

If this is a campaign to build hype, what has this campaign accomplished? It just got buried with the dozens of other rumors having to do with crossroads mall. Only a few thousand people(if that much) who read this thread know all the details about the maket center and thats not saying much.




I think theirs a good chance a revamped website comes back, but its the tone of the website that matters. Will it still be a sales pitch or will it be informing the public of something that is actually happening?

So far, there is only one in the mall who knew about okcmarketcenter.com, and it was a store owner. My friend, who is friends with one of the people on the inside of this whole market center, told me he went by the pizza place, curious as to wether they knew or not. When my friend asked the employee there, "if he had the news about the market center, out of curiosity," the employee said something way different.

The employee stated, "I never heard about it becoming a market center. I did hear that the owners of Quail Springs Mall bought this mall."

There is more happening than not. I'm just happy about that.

Interesting. I got curious and called the marketing/leasing office of CRM. I told them I was a long time shopper there, who wanted to see the mall restored to its former glory (which I do).

I asked the lady if it was true the mall was bought, and it is going to be called "OKC Market Center."

She told me, "at this stage of the game, I can't say what is happening. At the risk of getting into trouble, I won't comment on that."

I then asked, well is it true Dillards is coming back. She stated Dillards would be the ones to ask, and they can come and go as they please.

I then stated that I was just curious as a long time shopper who wanted to see the mall in better spirits, told her thank you, and hung up.

Always been a skeptic but it seems you are now just making crap up to keep the thread alive

It's true there are other Zombie Malls. I found one on Youtube, so it must be true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R08vdW6Su7E or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCHIsqKEO8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHFjxl_5Qkw&feature=related

Always been a skeptic but it seems you are now just making crap up to keep the thread alive

Whatever tickles your pickle, bro. Personally, that's a pretty childish thing to say. I don't put that past a lot of Oklahomans.

631-4421... Press number 3. Ask them for yourself. A lady should answer.

This is one of my favorite threads of all time. I would like to see the mods make this thread a sticky.

All this talk of zombies is ticking off the ghouls, who as you can see, are assembling their army to launch an all out attack on Crossroads Mall (and all of Middle Earth).

q0hL65CQTVk

I called the number and i heard a raspy voice saying BRaaaains.. The invasion of the zombies has begun people, this isnt a warning, close the underground tunnel now!!!!!!!!!!

This reminds me of the movie Dawn of the Dead.

Okay, fine. You guys talking about Zombies and such, made me have to break out a scene from one of my favorite zombie flicks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nq8D-JeaZQ

This reminds me of the movie Dawn of the Dead.

I was in front row seat when I saw it with a group of church friends in Tulsa. Yeah, at the time I could hear, it was quite scary. The movie really spooked me. On DVD, it is not as dramatic as it was at the theater.

Okay, fine. You guys talking about Zombies and such, made me have to break out a scene from one of my favorite zombie flicks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nq8D-JeaZQ

Awesome.

I'm starting to think the mall will look different than two of my dreams I've had.

I had another dream about the mall last night, and it has looked the same way it has in a previous couple of dreams I've had.

It still favors a brown-ish look, but looks more modern.

I had a dream I was entering the mall. Someone I know said hi to me as they were leaving the mall. It was fall or winter, because I was wearing my OU hoodie.

Actually, now that I think about it, I had two dreams about the mall. Both dreams were in different sections of the mall, but both dreams showed the mall looking the same.

The second dream I had last night, I was on the second floor, near the middle. I can't recall too much of this dream, but all I know is it was around Halloween time, and the mall reflected as such.

There was an interesting article in Saturday's Business section about a transaction by "Sooner or Later Associates who paid 2.45 million to Crossroads-Maiden Lane LLC, an entity of the Federal Reserve Bank, for several properties near Crossroads Mall: a Fairfield Inn, aa Residence Inn and a Texas Roadhouse restaurant " "Paul Ravencraft of Price Edwards & Co. negotiated the transaction" I am aware this is not the mall but...

Interesting. Someone saw some potential in that.

I think we can also gather what's going on, if we keep an eye on all of the mall's surrounding property.

They have a few jacked up looking parking areas, that would be ripe for lanscaping and have something built on it.

They could demolish/renovate the two former tire centers outside of the mall, and turn those into something.

That is interesting to know someone bought those properties.

Mega, were you not aware of the latest transaction? It was first published by another source about a week or two ago. Can't remember where I had read of it. All of this further shows that change is coming.

Didn't know to be honest.

Even though it will be cool for the mall to be back on its feet, I had hoped for more.

I had hoped it would still be a mall, they would renovate it to include AMC theatres inside (instead of outside), and dedicate a section of the mall to being a food court.

I'll take what I can get though.

I hope this means people will buy the surrounding properties and build more retail/restaurants.

I think the theater is just fine where it is. Don't want to lose an anchor space for it.

I think the theater is just fine where it is. Don't want to lose an anchor space for it.

Oh, now why not. It's not like anyone is using them these days. Besides, those who own the anchor spaces can sell, or not, to whomever they choose.

EDIT: To answer the person who asked what I have written before. I have written a -

- Horror/comedy
- Drama
- Action/adventure (the one the agent likes)
- comedy

I am in the process of writing another action film, and I have my own trilogy in the works.

So where does a farce about Crossroads being revitalized come into play?

Didn't know to be honest.

Even though it will be cool for the mall to be back on its feet, I had hoped for more.

I had hoped it would still be a mall, they would renovate it to include AMC theatres inside (instead of outside), and dedicate a section of the mall to being a food court.

I'll take what I can get though.

I hope this means people will buy the surrounding properties and build more retail/restaurants.

Why would there be any retail around it? The Dallas Market Center is like 5 times the size of Crossroads and there is just about no retail around it at all.

any more info, speculation or otherwise, on dillard's returning as a clearance center?

They were supposed to be back in there store, at the mall, a month ago.

Everyone I've talked to at the mall says they are coming back, but it's taking a bit longer than they expected.

As for retail coming around the mall. Why not? Some of the empty parking lots are so tore up, it would be best to just landscape it, and put a for sale sign on that piece of land, like some of the land around the mall has.

Just because one market center doesn't have any retail around it, doesn't mean OKC Market Center can't. It is the first of its kind here in Oklahoma, so why not attract more customers to the market center, by having lots of other retail near them?

It would certainly do more good than harm.

Bulldoze it!

Bulldoze it!

Just another negative person.

There is no logical reason to bulldoze a decent megastructure.

New news.

It seems OKC Market Center wasn't a spur of the moment deal.

While at my eye doctor today, who used to be in the mall, I asked him what made him decide to move.

He said back 9 years ago, when he moved out of the mall, stores were starting to leave because they weren't happy.

I told him, well did you hear about what's happening with the mall.

He then told me, "Yes. The chamber of commerce has been working on that for about 2 years now." I said, "really?" He was like "yeah," and that his banker friend also knows a lot about it. If I remember correctly, I think he said his banker friend is friends with those who bought the mall.

Anyhow, my eye doctor, I guess, knows alot about the happenings inside the chamber of commerce, since he's known about this.

Interesting to get another side of this, which still confirms this is something that's happening.

Two years sounds about right. But not what you're thinking. Yes, it's true the chamber has been pursuing this as one of a handful of ideas for adaptive reuse. Now, did these discussions involve the Market Center folks for two years? I can't say for sure, but it's highly doubtful.

Not so sure when the people who plan on turning it into the Market Center bought it, but I find it interesting that something has been happening without much notice, for the past 2 years.

Goes to show how much the news in OKC, nor us, doesn't know.

They've not bought it. Goes to show how much the news does know.

Not so sure when the people who plan on turning it into the Market Center bought it, but I find it interesting that something has been happening without much notice, for the past 2 years.

Goes to show how much the news in OKC, nor us, doesn't know.

So says the always reliable source for news...Anonymous eye doctor

Magax11

Let me see if I am following this....your info is from your eye doctor who has a banker friend who is friends with the people that bought (but didn't buy) the mall???

Where does Kevin Bacon come into it?

Trust me, Richard Mize is on top of this one and is watching the sale listing closely. If it sells, he'll have a story.
Here are some other online news alerts that were "missed" by local news:
- http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=10825&page=1
- http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=5264&pagenumber=
- http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=7106&pagenumber=
- http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=6031&pagenumber=

Now, that having been said, OKC Talk is a great website and I'm not trying to get into a bash fest here. The following is one example of where a poster was (I think) dead on in seeing what could be coming soon to downtown:
-http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=10900&page=1

It's cool to discuss gossip and rumors about what could be coming next. It gets people talking, generates ideas and sometimes provides some surprising inspiration to those who can make such things happen. But it gets old - REALLY OLD - hearing how a smart move by local news to not give too much attention to a deal that isn't real yet gets twisted into some sort of "the old media is so stupid, they know less than this forum does" game.
The deal at Crossroads has been written about by Richard Mize in a tone that was quite appropriate - it's an idea that has a lot of people talking, but it's far from being a done deal. Websites are created all the time for developments that never materialize - I really enjoyed dreaming about visiting Quail Crossing at Western and Memorial. Too bad the project is dead.

BTW: I fully Pete was told about Ruth's Chris at Founders. Those former owners were making all sorts of wild claims, and more than once they, how shall I say it? ... They told me something that I found to be at total odds with the truth.

Is this Richard Mize the one responsible for writing the lame article filled with his own speculations? Steve and Larry, I don't see how you both still work for News 9 / The Oklahomans. Hope that guy get the pink slip one day.

Is this Richard Mize the one responsible for writing the lame article filled with his own speculations? Steve and Larry, I don't see how you both still work for News 9 / The Oklahomans. Hope that guy get the pink slip one day.

Yeah, this Steve Mize clown speculated in delivering his facts, which doesn't seem right to me.

I know more people who know more about this happening than the news. An eye doctor, whose banker friend knows the person who bought it and a friend who was offered a job from those who bought it.

This Mize guy speculated that the girl buying the mall was only dreaming, when really, a professional journalist would actually... you know... talk to the person themself, instead of speculate, then make a story about it.

Nope, instead this Mize guy went straight to some dude at Edward Price to get his answers, when the person who bought the mall could have told them to zip their lips.

If I was buying the mall, and wanted to surprise people, I would have stated that part of me buying the mall means that any inquiries into a potential sale, would result in the seller stating that nothing has happened yet, so it could remain secret. I think the feds would agree to that. Why? Because they want the damn thing sold and off their hands. So by whatever means necessary.

The last bit is my take, however. I'm not going to act with some inferiority complex, like any journalist who claim to know 100% of the facts, and state I am right when speculating, like I was in the last statement of mine. However, I do know two people now who have people on the inside of this, and they suggest otherwise when it came to the sell of the mall... WAIT! Make that three. Forgot the person who owns a store in the mall, who told me to begin with.

Bottom line. I see the news fabricate everything more than tell the truth, just to create drama, so who knows... It's getting to where you can't even trust the news anymore.

Reread what you just wrote. "An eye doctor, whose banker friend knows the person who bought it and a friend who was offered a job from those who bought it." reread it, then read it again. Hopefully you will see how untrustworthy that "source" is. Have you ever played that telephone game in grade school. Have people sitting next to each other, one person starts a whisper, and it moves from person to person, and the last person tells out loud what it is. And 100% of the time it's different than what the first person said.

Your situation is no different.

Person the doctor's banker's friend knows -> the banker friend of the doctor: "I heard the mall is going to be sold"

Banker -> doctor: "I heard from a friend the mall is going to be sold. Rumor around here is that some Market Center is going in."

Doctor -> you: "Yeah, I heard that the mall is going to be sold to (or already has been) to some Market Center."

you -> us: "The mall was sold to OKC Market Center"

I'd bet you $5 that is how it went.

Well everyone here can be negative all they want. That's not my problem in life. I'm not going to be a person who calls everyone a liar, because if we're going to play "he said, she said," then we might as well say that NewsOK just heard from others as well. This particular other, could be holding onto a secret for all we know."

Mize just heard as well, but not from the buyer... He speculated in that case. Once he hears "no I didn't buy it" from the buyer, then he can say he has the facts, instead of just heard from another person.

Edward Price would do more to protect the interest of the buyer, than some clown on NewsOK reporting the news. Who are they? No one when you think about it. Who is the buyer? The one with the money, making the seller go "woo-woo." Which is more important to give accurate info to? Hmm...

If OKC does not do what it takes to get Crossroads shut down and on lockdown, we will NEVER develop any downtown retail or inner-south side retail. It is that simple. Stop trying to save the huge unsustainable mistakes we made in the 70s. It is a waste of time and resources. Crossroads never should have been built. It was good for about 15 years, then started going downhill, and has been unofficially dead for the last 10 years. Time to make it official.

Time to redistribute the existing retail around the inner south side, reinvigorate the inner south side, and make a move to position downtown to fill the void left by Crossroads. If the chamber really IS considering putting Crossroads on it's to-do list, this speaks volumes about bad priorities. It tells you how we've given up on downtown retail and made suburban retail the priority once again. Is a dead mall on the southside more important than trying to make something happen downtown?

And if a single cent gets spent on Crossroads in the form of public incentives, other than to build a great wall around it, I will be fuming.

Thunder, Mega, since you're so concerned with the facts...
Mize's first name is Richard. And neither he or I work for KWTV. And no, there is no relationship between The Oklahoman and KWTV. Feel free to returning to talking about Crossroads being sold, Ruth's Chris at Founders, massive Carousels on the river, etc.