I was in Norman yesterday and noticed that Adams Center was completely empty and there were dumpsters outside. Students are already back on campus and the other towers were filled, so I would expect Adams to start coming down very soon.

Also, Stubbeman Village directly to the west is also boarded up and just about ready to be scraped.


Haven't seen any plans for what will replace these buildings, but I'm sure it will be more student housing, likely similar to the recent university colleges built to the east.


BTW, OU welcomed its largest ever freshman class this year.

Yes. The plan has been to start to demolish the old towers slowly and move to the newer dorm style with a private room, shared bathroom then shared living space. OU has been behind the times when it comes to dorm living. The newer dorms are such a big improvement.

It's just strange there are no public plans for what is to replace Adams & Stubbeman.

Same way for what will go on the site of the old Bud Wilkinson House which was also recently demolished.

It's just strange there are no public plans for what is to replace Adams & Stubbeman.

Same way for what will go on the site of the old Bud Wilkinson House which was also recently demolished.
It’s not yet public, but the Bud site is going to be a football-adjacent complex.

No clue on the dorms and Stubbeman sites.

It’s not yet public, but the Bud site is going to be a football-adjacent complex.

No clue on the dorms and Stubbeman sites.

yep thad turnipseed at work

Ground-breaking for the new softball stadium will be September 23rd:

https://soonersports.com/news/2022/8/25/softball-loves-field-groundbreaking-set-for-sept-23.aspx

^^^ another article about the groundbreaking: https://okcfox.com/sports/university-of-oklahoma-sooners/university-of-oklahoma-sets-groundbreaking-date-for-loves-field-south-jenkins-imhoff-training-center-locker-room-sooners-boomer-square-feet-patty-grasso-lloyd-noble-center-marita-hynes-field

Gabe Ikard just mentioned in his most recent podcast release that OU is currently in the process of searching for an architecture firm for a new football operations facility. The estimated cost at 175M.

Gabe Ikard just mentioned in his most recent podcast release that OU is currently in the process of searching for an architecture firm for a new football operations facility. The estimated cost at 175M.

Anyone know what such a facility would include?

I suspect it would go on the site of the old Bud Wilkinson House which was recently demolished.

Anyone know what such a facility would include?

I suspect it would go on the site of the old Bud Wilkinson House which was recently demolished.
Ikard - "This will include a new practice facility & world-class resources in recovery, sports science & nutrition."

Now at OU, when Chad Turnipseed at Clemson he spearheaded their new football operations facility so it probably is a rough approximation for what they are planning: mini golf, hoops courts, pool tables, arcade games,

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-clemsons-football-facility-2017-10#outside-there-is-a-basketball-court-and-a-putting-green-14

Anyone know what such a facility would include?

I suspect it would go on the site of the old Bud Wilkinson House which was recently demolished.

Probably an enhanced version of this: https://clemsontigers.com/sports/football/facilities/memorial-stadium/
or this: https://rolltide.com/sports/2016/6/10/facilities-moore-athletic-facility-html.aspx?id=130

Thad Turnipseed, now at OU, was responsible for these.

Anyone know what such a facility would include?

I suspect it would go on the site of the old Bud Wilkinson House which was recently demolished.

this would also included full size new practice fields .. and the current OU track being moved .

this would also included full size new practice fields .. and the current OU track being moved .

Wowee. No wonder they need $175 million.

On the agenda for the next meeting of the regents:


ACTION PROPOSED:
President Harroz recommends the Board of Regents ratify the interim approval given
per the Board Bylaws to approve funds not to exceed $2,500,000 for early site costs including
demolition of Adams Center and associated site work for Phase I of the First-Year Housing
Masterplan.

BACKGROUND AND/OR RATIONALE:
The First Year Housing Master Plan was approved at the March 2021 Board of
Regent Meeting as an addition to the Campus Master Plan of Capital Improvement Projects for
the Norman Campus. The Board also ranked ADG, P.C. first among architectural firms
considered to provide design services for the project at the March 2021 meeting. At the March
2022 meeting, the Board ranked Flintco LLC highest among construction managers considered
to provide professional services for the project.

Since March 2021, the University and the design consultants have been working on
the design development plans that will be presented to the Board at a future meeting. Interim
approval was given by the Chair and Vice Chair, in order to meet the future project milestones,
to authorize the expenditure of funds for abatement, demolition, utility infrastructure, site
preparation, etc. not to exceed $2,500,000, for Phase I of the First-Year Housing Masterplan. All
contracts and expenditures will be reported back to the Board in accordance with Board of
Regents policy.

Funding for the project has been identified and is available from Housing funds.

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Also, there will be a massive new football facility just to the east of the stadium.

My understanding is the track will be relocated; the former Bud Wilkinson House has already been demolished.

The entire cost will be around $175 million.


BACKGROUND AND/OR RATIONALE:
This project is a new addition to the Campus Master Plan of Capital Improvement
Projects for the Norman campus. The new Football Operations Facilities will be located on the
Norman campus separate from and adjacent to Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium. It
is anticipated that the project will develop new state-of-the-art facilities for functions consistent
with those required to support Oklahoma Football training, practice, preparation, and
performance. The project will also address existing athletics facilities currently operating at the
adjacent location, initially conceptualized to be to the east of the stadium. The selected firm will
be required to review the potential site development options for the new football operations
facilities; and provide planning and professional services for any impacted existing athletics
facility.

At this time, an architectural consultant is needed to assist the University in providing
planning and professional services for the University of Oklahoma Football Operations
Facilities. A request for qualifications was sent to the architectural firms that are currently
registered with the Construction and Properties Department/Division of Capital Assets
Management of the State Office of Management and Enterprise Service, and a committee was
formed to evaluate the responses received from three firms.

Interim approval was given by the Chair and Vice Chair for Programming and Design
Development costs only for a maximum amount of $4,000,000. This will allow the
University/Athletics to review site development options, program and design options, and
develop an accurate project budget for future review and recommendation by the Board of
Regents. Funding for this portion of the project has been identified and is available and
budgeted from the Athletics Department.

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Now they just need to build the new basketball arena next to this facility at Brooks & Jenkins.

Now they just need to build the new basketball arena next to this facility at Brooks & Jenkins.

north of brooks .... is the perfect spot .... however there are no current funds for that .. and the UNP arena project is still alive

north of brooks .... is the perfect spot .... however there are no current funds for that .. and the UNP arena project is still alive

Hopefully that dies like it did last time they floated it. I can’t even believe that is still being considered.

Hopefully that dies like it did last time they floated it. I can’t even believe that is still being considered.

it is a good solution to the issue that OU doesn't have the funds to build a new stadium ....

it is a good solution to the issue that OU doesn't have the funds to build a new stadium ....
It’s a horrible solution. OU can get the funds if they tried. They don’t want to try.

It’s a horrible solution. OU can get the funds if they tried. They don’t want to try.

I don't normally agree with Boulder, but in this, I do. He is heavily involved in the OUHoops website. He knows people who would know whether OU donors care about basketball. Basketball is almost below softball in terms of relevance to donors, so a new arena would be hard to accomplish. Donors would rather donate to football projects or softball projects. Their is apathy in the basketball program.

I don't normally agree with Boulder, but in this, I do. He is heavily involved in the OUHoops website. He knows people who would know whether OU donors care about basketball. Basketball is almost below softball in terms of relevance to donors, so a new arena would be hard to accomplish. Donors would rather donate to football projects or softball projects. Their is apathy in the basketball program.

it is also very much the scale of the project .. softball wins (they are the best team in the nation) and still it really took multi national titles and an over 10mil gift from tom and judy love to just start that 40mil project ..

a new basketball arena is more like 3 or 4 hundred million ... or more ... (texas new arena 375 mil)

there was a LNC renovation plan about 10-12 years ago that would have been 150 mil +/- but those funds were going to be hard to raise ..

football still have 300+ left of the stadium master plan and the current push is for the new 175 mil football ops building ...

one of the big reasons the UNP stadium was great (location travel restaurants bars aside) is that OU was not going to have to pay for it ...

(just as a note i own/operate ouhoops.com ) ..

it is also very much the scale of the project .. softball wins (they are the best team in the nation) and still it really took multi national titles and an over 10mil gift from tom and judy love to just start that 40mil project ..

a new basketball arena is more like 3 or 4 hundred million ... or more ... (texas new arena 375 mil)

there was a LNC renovation plan about 10-12 years ago that would have been 150 mil +/- but those funds were going to be hard to raise ..

football still have 300+ left of the stadium master plan and the current push is for the new 175 mil football ops building ...

one of the big reasons the UNP stadium was great (location travel restaurants bars aside) is that OU was not going to have to pay for it ...

(just as a note i own/operate ouhoops.com ) ..

OU and Norman should work out a deal where it serves its purpose as a basketball arena but also used for concerts and other events and pushes more urban development in the core. It would not need to be anything like Moody in Austin, something more Foster Pavilion currently under construction in Waco where Baylor is funding $120M and City of Waco is funding the remaining $65M of the $185M price tag. The size of that project, 7k seats, is also more appropriate for what OU needs. They could even add some meetings rooms and have it as a mini-conference center used by OU and Norman.

If there was a downtown site available that would work too but nowhere else has the advantages of the Brooks & Jenkins site:
1. OU already owns the land
2. On-campus so easy for students to access games and events
3. Existing parking lots by the Duck Pond - that combined with the Elm Ave garage by the stadium exceeds parking capacity at LNC
4. Future stop on commuter rail line to OKC and Edmond less than 1/4 mile to the east
5. Ability for fans to patronize Campus Corner bars and restaurants before/after games
6. Continues revitalization and redevelopment of the Jenkins Ave corridor from OU to downtown

OU and Norman should work out a deal where it serves its purpose as a basketball arena but also used for concerts and other events and pushes more urban development in the core. It would not need to be anything like Moody in Austin, something more Foster Pavilion currently under construction in Waco where Baylor is funding $120M and City of Waco is funding the remaining $65M of the $185M price tag. The size of that project, 7k seats, is also more appropriate for what OU needs. They could even add some meetings rooms and have it as a mini-conference center used by OU and Norman.

If there was a downtown site available that would work too but nowhere else has the advantages of the Brooks & Jenkins site:
1. OU already owns the land
2. On-campus so easy for students to access games and events
3. Existing parking lots by the Duck Pond - that combined with the Elm Ave garage by the stadium exceeds parking capacity at LNC
4. Future stop on commuter rail line to OKC and Edmond less than 1/4 mile to the east
5. Ability for fans to patronize Campus Corner bars and restaurants before/after games
6. Continues revitalization and redevelopment of the Jenkins Ave corridor from OU to downtown

OU needs more than 7k seats ... they have had 9k+ season ticket holders most of the last 25 years and have over 6k currently

Also the new OU basketball arena will be used by gymnastics, volleyball, and wrestling teams at OU. The committee failed to include those others sports will also use the arena, which is one reason they were unsuccessful In getting a deal. Also the new arena could be used for OU hockey team. The arena needs to at least seat 10000 to 12000 seats. Duke University arena seats about 10000
seats.

OU and Norman should work out a deal where it serves its purpose as a basketball arena but also used for concerts and other events and pushes more urban development in the core. It would not need to be anything like Moody in Austin, something more Foster Pavilion currently under construction in Waco where Baylor is funding $120M and City of Waco is funding the remaining $65M of the $185M price tag. The size of that project, 7k seats, is also more appropriate for what OU needs. They could even add some meetings rooms and have it as a mini-conference center used by OU and Norman.

If there was a downtown site available that would work too but nowhere else has the advantages of the Brooks & Jenkins site:
1. OU already owns the land
2. On-campus so easy for students to access games and events
3. Existing parking lots by the Duck Pond - that combined with the Elm Ave garage by the stadium exceeds parking capacity at LNC
4.Future stop on commuter rail line to OKC and Edmond less than 1/4 mile to the east
5. Ability for fans to patronize Campus Corner bars and restaurants before/after games
6. Continues revitalization and redevelopment of the Jenkins Ave corridor from OU to downtown

OU needs to either wait until they can raise the funds for a new on campus arena or wait to make a deal with a developer that will build an arena near downtown/campus and wont relegate basketball to the middle of nowhere. The UNP location is so bad that staying in LNC until one of these two options comes around is the best move.

Also the new OU basketball arena will be used by gymnastics, volleyball, and wrestling teams at OU. The committee failed to include those others sports will also use the arena, which is one reason they were unsuccessful In getting a deal. Also the new arena could be used for OU hockey team. The arena needs to at least seat 10000 to 12000 seats. Duke University arena seats about 10000
seats.

I would say closer to 9k seats. 20% smaller capacity than LNC but with more intimate seating and better fan amenities. UT basketball is only at 11k seats in Moody with double OU's student population and in the middle of a metro of 2.3M.

I would say closer to 9k seats. 20% smaller capacity than LNC but with more intimate seating and better fan amenities. UT basketball is only at 11k seats in Moody with double OU's student population and in the middle of a metro of 2.3M.

Per Wiki Moody seats 10k for hoops. More importantly Mens and Womens hoops are the only sporting teams that use Moody. A multi sport arena us usually bad for basketball

OU needs to either wait until they can raise the funds for a new on campus arena or wait to make a deal with a developer that will build an arena near downtown/campus and wont relegate basketball to the middle of nowhere. The UNP location is so bad that staying in LNC until one of these two options comes around is the best move.
Yep. This +1000

Per Wiki Moody seats 10k for hoops. More importantly Mens and Womens hoops are the only sporting teams that use Moody. A multi sport arena us usually bad for basketball

10k is official capacity, they had 11,313 for their first basketball game and at least that maybe more for the game against Gonzaga. Same thing for OU's new arena...official capacity could be 9k but for big games could fit 10k+.

Agree that a multisport arena is bad for basketball. Like Moody though the new OU arena could be used for concerts and other events. Gymnastics and hockey could be in a different venue closer to Jenkins & Imhoff.

OU is soliciting input on the viability of a new arena by I-35. I’ve sent my comments that this is a terrible idea and I hope others do the same. I’m honestly shocked this is even being considered.

https://s3327771.t.en25.com/e/es?s=3327771&e=14645&elqTrackId=efd74c1a1b7a40299e524d6e5aa03bea&elq=449e548edd714405987c6aecfc9c4b6a&elqaid=677&elqat=1

OU is soliciting input on the viability of a new arena by I-35. I’ve sent my comments that this is a terrible idea and I hope others do the same. I’m honestly shocked this is even being considered.

https://s3327771.t.en25.com/e/es?s=3327771&e=14645&elqTrackId=efd74c1a1b7a40299e524d6e5aa03bea&elq=449e548edd714405987c6aecfc9c4b6a&elqaid=677&elqat=1

Not sure terrible is the right word. This puts the arena closer to OKC, where many, many alumni live. Getting to South Norman for most from OKC is beyond a chore. This almost will cut it in half. I get it from the student perspective, but students have long since forgotten how to support OU sports in general, so why cater to them? They should put a new OU football stadium in OKC, as well (being slightly facetious). Students leave at halftime, if not earlier, of every football game. They don't show up for basketball, either.

There is no way a new basketball facility gets built anytime soon without a partnership with an outside entity.

I'm not sure I like the idea of this being in University North Park but frankly, it would be a better location than Lloyd Noble.

I'm sure they'd keep the basketball workout and practice facilities at the LNC and just play games at the new place.


This seems to be a better idea than doing nothing for another couple of decades.

Not sure terrible is the right word. This puts the arena closer to OKC, where many, many alumni live. Getting to South Norman for most from OKC is beyond a chore. This almost will cut it in half. I get it from the student perspective, but students have long since forgotten how to support OU sports in general, so why cater to them? They should put a new OU football stadium in OKC, as well (being slightly facetious). Students leave at halftime, if not earlier, of every football game. They don't show up for basketball, either.

Terrible is the right word. The arena should be on campus not by I-35. Build it next to the stadium after the football operations center is built.

Also the new OU basketball arena will be used by gymnastics, volleyball, and wrestling teams at OU. The committee failed to include those others sports will also use the arena, which is one reason they were unsuccessful In getting a deal. Also the new arena could be used for OU hockey team. The arena needs to at least seat 10000 to 12000 seats. Duke University arena seats about 10000
seats.

only basketball and gymnastics ... volleyball and wrestling will stay at the Field house

Terrible is the right word. The arena should be on campus not by I-35. Build it next to the stadium after the football operations center is built.

a new arena in 20 years does no one any good and that is the timing of an arena on campus with out a 400 million dollar gift to basketball ..

this UNP project solves lots of the issues with OU basketball attendance ..... but #1 it can actually get build in the very near future .... that alone makes it a good idea ..

only basketball and gymnastics ... volleyball and wrestling will stay at the Field house

That may be for a majority of their matches but Wrestling will use the facility as well especially for the larger matches.

a new arena in 20 years does no one any good and that is the timing of an arena on campus with out a 400 million dollar gift to basketball ..

this UNP project solves lots of the issues with OU basketball attendance ..... but #1 it can actually get build in the very near future .... that alone makes it a good idea ..

Agreed. Considering there is 50 million in other facility upgrades needed (wrestling, gymnastics, baseball) and another 400 million in football stadium improvements needed before a 200 million + arena can be built on campus without any partnership with an outside company so the university and boosters were not on the hook for their 300 million arena. Look for OU to try and go this route as well but the arena will need to be off campus to get the investors to join in.

Also, keep in mind that OU owns the land under University North Park.

They get ground lease and other revenue from the entire development.

Agreed. Considering there is 50 million in other facility upgrades needed (wrestling, gymnastics, baseball) and another 400 million in football stadium improvements needed before a 200 million + arena can be built on campus without any partnership with an outside company so the university and boosters were not on the hook for their 300 million arena. Look for OU to try and go this route as well but the arena will need to be off campus to get the investors to join in.

that 400 mil for the football stadium also doesn't include the 175+ mil new football ops building that is on the fast track

The thing that'll boost attendance is close proximity to a MetroShoe Warehouse so you can try on some Sketchers after the game.

UNP - 1
Campus - 0

that 400 mil for the football stadium also doesn't include the 175+ mil new football ops building that is on the fast track

100% correct

Also, keep in mind that OU owns the land under University North Park.

They get ground lease and other revenue from the entire development.

Which is why I think they should be able to pull off a deal with a group of investors (just like Texas did) where the investors get revenue from the site over a period of time before OU would get any additional revenue. Texas deal was 10 years of concessions and other events revenue before Texas was able to get a %. I think OU should be able to do that same type of deal in UNP. Probably closer to 200 mil vs the 300 Texas' cost as theirs can expand to 17K.

Agreed. Considering there is 50 million in other facility upgrades needed (wrestling, gymnastics, baseball) and another 400 million in football stadium improvements needed before a 200 million + arena can be built on campus without any partnership with an outside company so the university and boosters were not on the hook for their 300 million arena. Look for OU to try and go this route as well but the arena will need to be off campus to get the investors to join in.

I understand the financial incentive to go this route but it's the exact opposite of literally every other university in the country which has been either bringing sports back to campus or making upgrades to existing on-campus facilities.

OU will be in the SEC in the next couple years so here's a few examples of what their universities have done for basketball:
Auburn - moved their arena on-campus next to new student housing. Completed in 2010 for a cost of $91 million and has 9,121 seats for basketball
Alabama - approved funds for a new arena on-campus. 10,136 seats for basketball and a cost of $183 million
LSU - planning renovations to their current on-campus arena. 13,215 seats for basketball
Arkansas - planning renovations to their current on-campus arena. 19,200 seats for basketball
Ole Miss - built a new arena on-campus. Completed in 2016 for a cost of $97 million and has 9,500 seats for basketball
Georgia - renovated their on-campus arena in 2017. 10,523 seats for basketball
Florida - renovated their on-campus arena in 2016. 10,151 seats for basketball

Terrible is the right word. The arena should be on campus not by I-35. Build it next to the stadium after the football operations center is built.
Yeah I would agree. It is pretty terrible if this option is chosen. Keep everything on campus and walkable. It’s easier to drink too and not worry about DUIs.

Yeah I would agree. It is pretty terrible if this option is chosen. Keep everything on campus and walkable. It’s easier to drink too and not worry about DUIs.

Not at LNC.

I understand the financial incentive to go this route but it's the exact opposite of literally every other university in the country which has been either bringing sports back to campus or making upgrades to existing on-campus facilities.

OU will be in the SEC in the next couple years so here's a few examples of what their universities have done for basketball:
Auburn - moved their arena on-campus next to new student housing. Completed in 2010 for a cost of $91 million and has 9,121 seats for basketball
Alabama - approved funds for a new arena on-campus. 10,136 seats for basketball and a cost of $183 million
LSU - planning renovations to their current on-campus arena. 13,215 seats for basketball
Arkansas - planning renovations to their current on-campus arena. 19,200 seats for basketball
Ole Miss - built a new arena on-campus. Completed in 2016 for a cost of $97 million and has 9,500 seats for basketball
Georgia - renovated their on-campus arena in 2017. 10,523 seats for basketball
Florida - renovated their on-campus arena in 2016. 10,151 seats for basketball

Not disagreeing with you but OU flat out does not have the 200 mil to put towards this on campus. Not with more than half a billion in needed athletic upgrades elsewhere on campus.

All this on campus sentimentality would be great if the students were actually into going, and if more students actually lived ON campus themselves. OU students are strung out all over Norman and many, many drive to campus daily. And, if it could be built near a thriving campus corner with lots of restaurants and shops alumni would also like to frequent would be nice. But that isn’t the reality. UNP would create way more attendance and business activity, most likely even for the students.

Plus, very few students are walking to Lloyd Noble. I know I never did and I spent all four years on campus and rarely missed a home game.

The debate is staying at LNC for 20 more years vs. this new facility; not the new facility vs. a new on-campus arena, because that is not happening anytime soon.

Not at LNC.

LNC sells beer. A new on campus facility would do same.

I understand the financial incentive to go this route but it's the exact opposite of literally every other university in the country which has been either bringing sports back to campus or making upgrades to existing on-campus facilities.

OU will be in the SEC in the next couple years so here's a few examples of what their universities have done for basketball:
Auburn - moved their arena on-campus next to new student housing. Completed in 2010 for a cost of $91 million and has 9,121 seats for basketball
Alabama - approved funds for a new arena on-campus. 10,136 seats for basketball and a cost of $183 million
LSU - planning renovations to their current on-campus arena. 13,215 seats for basketball
Arkansas - planning renovations to their current on-campus arena. 19,200 seats for basketball
Ole Miss - built a new arena on-campus. Completed in 2016 for a cost of $97 million and has 9,500 seats for basketball
Georgia - renovated their on-campus arena in 2017. 10,523 seats for basketball
Florida - renovated their on-campus arena in 2016. 10,151 seats for basketball

bud walton at arkansas is about a mile from the dorms ... about as "on campus" as the LNC

auburn is next to the dorms

alabama arena is over a mile from the dorms as on campus as the LNC

LSU arena is close to everything

Ole miss dorms are over a half mile away

UGA is over a half mile to any dorms

UF is near the dorms


but with this logic OU should just renovate the LNC because it is on campus ... and i don't think any one sees that as a good option .... and that would still cost over 100 mil

For reasons unknown the AD has refused to acknowlwdge the contributions that Billy Tubbs made to the program and college in general. It is long overdue that the floor or facility be named in his honor. Last year a banner was hoisted honoring Coale as sell as a bench outside in her honor. There are no statues of Tisdale, Alvin, Blake or other greats either. Shameful.

bud walton at arkansas is about a mile from the dorms ... about as "on campus" as the LNC

auburn is next to the dorms

alabama arena is over a mile from the dorms as on campus as the LNC

LSU arena is close to everything

Ole miss dorms are over a half mile away

UGA is over a half mile to any dorms

UF is near the dorms


but with this logic OU should just renovate the LNC because it is on campus ... and i don't think any one sees that as a good option .... and that would still cost over 100 mil

And Ol Miss spent 97M., Auburn 91M, and Bama 183M. OU spending 100M should not be a barrier unless Ol Miss has better resources.

At this point, facilities don't matter as much as NIL money. So I think a lot of BMDs are going to put more into NIL than for facilities, meaning OU will need to find other ways to fund projects like this.

So the argument is since OU students don’t walk around campus due driving culture might as well add to the snowball effect of that and move the facility even further off campus?

And Ol Miss spent 97M., Auburn 91M, and Bama 183M. OU spending 100M should not be a barrier unless Ol Miss has better resources.

it would happen eventually but an OU funded new or renovated basketball arena is behind a bunch of other projects in the pipeline ... (175 new football ops center (this also moved the existing track so a new track) 400 mil + to finish the football stadium, baseball stadium renovation (really they need a new one ) plus other upgrades) with out a basketball mega donor to fund 75+ mil kick start gift the LNC is not getting a full reno any time soon .

So the argument is since OU students don’t walk around campus due driving culture might as well add to the snowball effect of that and move the facility even further off campus?

no the argument is, do we want a new basketball facility now, or in 20 years? because there isn't an option for a new one now on campus.

no the argument is, do we want a new basketball facility now, or in 20 years? because there isn't an option for a new one now on campus.
I’m not buying that. If there’s a will there’s a way.

I’m not buying that. If there’s a will there’s a way.

there isn't a will... that's what people are saying. people are not putting up money to the foundation for a basketball arena. the only way this gets done anytime soon, is if they can make a deal to put it somewhere else with money from either the city of norman, or the county. otherwise it's literally not getting done, because the donors don't have the will to get it done.

there isn't a will... that's what people are saying. people are not putting up money to the foundation for a basketball arena. the only way this gets done anytime soon, is if they can make a deal to put it somewhere else with money from either the city of norman, or the county. otherwise it's literally not getting done, because the donors don't have the will to get it done.

100% correct