But probably not much considering if you're not familiar with CBD, small vague shapes won't mean a whole lot to you.

Maybe, but think of the impression one of the Downtown Ambassadors would make to a lost visitor when thay take them to one of these medallions and give them directions. A quick orientation to their present location and a route to their destination. They could check themselves along the way if there are enough medallions spread around downtown to be useful. This is a very cool idea. For all its problems, P180 has had numerous positive aspects such as this.

Don't get me wrong, I think they're cool and give a sense of place, but I was just stating, it won't be as helpful as the poster suggested most likely.

Signals installed and operational at Robinson & Sheridan:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/544656_608707322479228_1619459102_n.jpg



And striping at Main & Robinson:

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/222617_608707872479173_804702261_n.jpg

There are also other lights that will be going in the next couple of months. Good to see!^^^

The Devon Tower video that I've yanked a bunch of stills from had a section on Project 180 near the end -- which included some of the P180 development sketches. I thought I'd post those pics here for grins (one of those is the one used for the gallery image of this thread).

Just to compare the original proposed ideas with what we're actually getting...

http://dl.dropbox.com/s/ntp78gh85sz3vst/21_46.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/s/1b6x59txmvh08ts/23_20.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/s/8ea3aw390slg7jz/21_52.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/s/uvredzmtxxvybnx/21_55.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/s/x3dlmp6b7w3edv5/22_30.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/s/ze2iz4fcv3jy9ls/23_00.jpg

Wow, why didn't they make bike lanes the way they look in pictures? Those are(would've been) nice.

The Devon Tower video that I've yanked a bunch of stills from had a section on Project 180 near the end -- which included some of the P180 development sketches. I thought I'd post those pics here for grins (one of those is the one used for the gallery image of this thread).

Just to compare the original proposed ideas with what we're actually getting...

...
http://dl.dropbox.com/s/uvredzmtxxvybnx/21_55.jpg


Even our imaginary drivers are going to hit cyclists

The only differences I really see are green colored areas in the bike lanes and mature vegetation.

Bike boxes would have been nice.

Those are painted on and can be added easily can't they?

The structures at the renovated Centennial Park now have shade covers.

However if you notice from the photos, even though they rushed this park to be somewhat complete months ago, you can see that they still have plantings and other work yet to be completed on the surrounding roads.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/226900_617978898228096_1891240585_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/313409_617978908228095_1661047323_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/531001_617978901561429_1844577536_n.jpg

additional 26 mil added at council yesterday to continue funding p180

Love this shot:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/531001_617978901561429_1844577536_n.jpg

Not to change the subject, but, Pete's second pic makes me wonder when we will ever see a proposal for a repurposing of the building or land for the old Holiday Inn behind the Montgomery.

Not to change the subject, but, Pete's second pic makes me wonder when we will ever see a proposal for a repurposing of the building or land for the old Holiday Inn behind the Montgomery.

It's privately owned and in use.

yep, seems like this topic gets brought up every quarter.

It's privately owned and in use.

Which doesn't change my point.

Which doesn't change my point.

The answer is that it will be a long time before that ever happens. It's owned by some sort of church.

The pictures above showing the new shade structures is interesting...the shade thing is cool but the little plaza itself does not look very functional. The benches for example, there are several concrete block looking benches. Who wants to sit on that? There are several documentaries on New York about plaza functionality...maybe I am looking too hard at that picture haha. I just can't imagine anyone using that area for anything except walking through.

Here's another massive article lol.... :)

Oklahoma City downtown street work continues | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-downtown-street-work-continues/article/3761659)

An update of Jeff Speck's perspective on what's going on.

Oklahoma City moves quickly to make its downtown streets and sidewalks more pedestrian-friendly, author says | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-moves-quickly-to-make-its-downtown-streets-and-sidewalks-more-pedestrian-friendly-author-says/article/3762514)

Love Jeff Speck! Good read.

An update of Jeff Speck's perspective on what's going on.

Oklahoma City moves quickly to make its downtown streets and sidewalks more pedestrian-friendly, author says | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-moves-quickly-to-make-its-downtown-streets-and-sidewalks-more-pedestrian-friendly-author-says/article/3762514)

Pic from the article:

http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r620-6bdf012e4c076d807ec77f41c8ade576.jpg

Love the pedestrian crosswalks. Are they out of alignment though? The north and south crosswalks don't seem to be lined up in the same direction (or maybe the street is crooked).

Anyway... looking good.

Love the pedestrian crosswalks. Are they out of alignment though? The north and south crosswalks don't seem to be lined up in the same direction (or maybe the street is crooked).

They are a bit skew due to the layout of the street corners. The north side of Hudson has a median as you can see in the picture, but the south side does not so it narrows there. Also Sheridan to the west has parallel parking on both sides and east of this it does not so it narrows there too.

They are a bit skew due to the layout of the street corners. The north side of Hudson has a median as you can see in the picture, but the south side does not so it narrows there. Also Sheridan to the west has parallel parking on both sides and east of this it does not so it narrows there too.

Ah, so in other words... the street is all "skewed" up. Gotcha.
:wink:

Pic from the article:

http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r620-6bdf012e4c076d807ec77f41c8ade576.jpg

Love the pedestrian crosswalks. Are they out of alignment though? The north and south crosswalks don't seem to be lined up in the same direction (or maybe the street is crooked).

Anyway... looking good.

And Look at all of those Pedestrians! Wow!

And Look at all of those Pedestrians! Wow!

judging by the lack of cars i would bet that this is very early on a sat of sun morning

And Look at all of those Pedestrians! Wow!

The pedestrians come with the buildout of Preftakes block and Stage Center block. Come on now...

That Pretakes block has indeed slowly become almost abandoned.

Apart from the city building on Main, the pizza place has closed, as has the Lunch Box and the parking garage. And there is a decent amount of vacancy at 1 N. Hudson, the bus station is almost ready to relocate and the rest of the buildings except Coney Island are completely vacant.

And of course, Stage Center has been dark for some time now and the block just west is awaiting construction of the elementary school.

That's a big hunk of almost completely unused real estate on the east side of Hudson.

...and little reason for random pedestrians to be walking adjacent to Devon.

I have a feeling that once construction gets rolling, it'll get rolling. This area is the most development-ready part of the CBD. Mystery Tower at Stage Center site, I still think the Lunchbox and its associated neighbors get torn down for a Continental Resources tower, and Devon builds a smaller location on Hudson and Main. Add that to the elementary school and that's a huge amount of construction in a fairly small area. In 5 years that area will look totally different.

I have a feeling that once construction gets rolling, it'll get rolling. This area is the most development-ready part of the CBD. Mystery Tower at Stage Center site, I still think the Lunchbox and its associated neighbors get torn down for a Continental Resources tower, and Devon builds a smaller location on Hudson and Main. Add that to the elementary school and that's a huge amount of construction in a fairly small area. In 5 years that area will look totally different.

I agree and don't forget the massive convention center and CC hotel just to the south of the Myriad Gardens.

I agree and don't forget the massive convention center and CC hotel just to the south of the Myriad Gardens.

I'm not convinced the convention center gets built there. Not saying it won't happen (I know certain people want that spot), but last I heard the land price was higher than they were initially thinking. The sale price of the Stage Center property could help set the value for the land south of the Myriad Gardens. I'm still pulling for East Bricktown myself, or that giant ass parking lot between Bricktown and DD.

But if the area south of the MG doesn't go for the convention center, it will certainly be developed in the very near future.

So, one way or another that is another big chunk of nothingness that will become home to major development.

Did anyone else see machines scraping away the new bicycle lane markings today on Walker? WTF?

I'm not convinced the convention center gets built there. Not saying it won't happen (I know certain people want that spot), but last I heard the land price was higher than they were initially thinking. The sale price of the Stage Center property could help set the value for the land south of the Myriad Gardens. I'm still pulling for East Bricktown myself, or that giant ass parking lot between Bricktown and DD.

the vitagraph property did as well ... the est was 16 mil for the CC land ... i don't really see how it will be anything under 50 and as high as 90

Which puts it considerably higher than the substation property price we heard. That's still my favorite location for the CC.

If they know anything about urban design and how cities work, they won't put it facing the Myriad Gardens. That's prime real estate that will completely destroy any interaction between downtown, the park, and the Core to Shore area, not to mention the near complete absence of a recognizable street grid.

Did anyone else see machines scraping away the new bicycle lane markings today on Walker? WTF?

Uh... Anyone have any more on this?

Which puts it considerably higher than the substation property price we heard. That's still my favorite location for the CC.

agreed

The pending announcement / sale of Stage Center will likely have a big impact on the price for both the convention center land and the Santa Fe Station.

Will be very interesting to see what that goes for.

If they know anything about urban design and how cities work, they won't put it facing the Myriad Gardens. That's prime real estate that will completely destroy any interaction between downtown, the park, and the Core to Shore area, not to mention the near complete absence of a recognizable street grid.

The convention center should be scrapped altogether.

1. It creates an unnecessary superblock which decreases walkability between myriad gardens, the park, etc.
2. This isn't 1970 where conventions are super popular, it's going to be obsolete as soon as its built.
3. It's a prime location that would be used for a MUCH better purpose.
4. It's sad that it's going to be next to the new super highway err I mean boulevard through downtown as well, right?

The convention center should be scrapped altogether.

1. It creates an unnecessary superblock which decreases walkability between myriad gardens, the park, etc.
2. This isn't 1970 where conventions are super popular, it's going to be obsolete as soon as its built.
3. It's a prime location that would be used for a MUCH better purpose.
4. It's sad that it's going to be next to the new super highway err I mean boulevard through downtown as well, right?

we badly need a new convention center ours is an embarrassment for a city our size

we badly need a new convention center ours is an embarrassment for a city our size


that doesn't mean you create a new convention center (especially the one proposed) because of the reasons listed in my previous post.

Uh... Anyone have any more on this?

Yeah. I heard rumblings today about it. No word on what's going on.

Yeah. I heard rumblings today about it. No word on what's going on.

Walker was striped for 4 lane traffic today. Public Information at the City says it's temporary.

Walker was striped for 4 lane traffic today. Public Information at the City says it's temporary.

what? why ??

Waiting for their official explanation.

The convention center should be scrapped altogether.


2. This isn't 1970 where conventions are super popular, it's going to be obsolete as soon as its built.


Don't be so quick to believe all the propaganda on the demise of trade shows. Attendance was back up about 5% in 2010 and 2011 each. Yes, the recession knocked it around, but using that logic, the housing industry is going away because we sold fewer homes during that time too.

The character and profile of conventions and attendees has been changing for some time and that affects the types and styles of convention centers needed. Ours is living in a "60s world and we need one for the next few decades, not the last few. Being currently designed, we should hope all the newest trends in HOW conventions happen is considered. But declaring the need for a new one dead is a serious mistake.

That said, the real argument should be WHERE it is built to be most useful, while considering the urban needs of our core.

Walker was striped for 4 lane traffic today. Public Information at the City says it's temporary.

Thanks cafe. Having trouble believing this is temporary. On Twitter today, the PIO said it was due to future construction. The only construction announced (to date) along Walker is Rex Elementary. Don't they usually narrow the street and close a lane to make room for materials, not make it wider??? Can someone please get a confirmation from Mr. Winger that the bike lanes and parking on Walker will be re-marked when the school opens?

Sorry if I sound a little pessimistic. I'm just tired of seeing key pieces of P180 and the new Boulevard disappear - mostly to the detriment of cyclists, pedestrians and anyone still hanging on to promises of a more accessible downtown.

Walker was striped for 4 lane traffic today. Public Information at the City says it's temporary.

It it at least striped for travel both directions?

Its a bummer that it was re-striped, since I actually saw quite a few bikers use these on Walker. With that in mind, I can kind of understand where the city is coming from with issues of liability, especially considering that 2 of these projects (school, parking garage) are being facilitated by the city. I'm sure somebody somewhere has successful sued in a situation like this.

Also, just to throw a bone out, but Walker does run on the western edge of the Stage Center site a/k/a the rumored "mystery tower" site. Something to consider.

Its a bummer that it was re-striped, since I actually saw quite a few bikers use these on Walker. With that in mind, I can kind of understand where the city is coming from with issues of liability, especially considering that 2 of these projects (school, parking garage) are being facilitated by the city. I'm sure somebody somewhere has successful sued in a situation like this.

Also, just to throw a bone out, but Walker does run on the western edge of the Stage Center site a/k/a the rumored "mystery tower" site. Something to consider.

OKC Public Information said it was for construction of Project180 "east of Hudson" and other future private and public development. I asked for a timeline and they didn't respond...

OKC Public Information said it was for construction of Project180 "east of Hudson" and other future private and public development. I asked for a timeline and they didn't respond...

Mystery Tower!!!

In a manner similar to the boulevard, OKC PW once again demonstrates its regressive understanding of desirable attributes of a modern city.

Project 180 Defiance by the Oklahoma City Public Works Department? | OKC Central (http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2013/03/14/project-180-defiance/)

Are we too dumb to unerstand bike lanes?

Are we too dumb to unerstand bike lanes?

Our benevolent OKC PW and ODOT has a low opinion of our intelligence evidently. We do not understand traffic roundabouts or bicycle lanes in their opinion.....

Are we too dumb to unerstand bike lanes?

Wow, this really pisses me off as a downtown resident, worker, and someone trying to start 2 startups in DT OKC in the next 90 days. I drive down Walker almost everyday, and at morning and evening "rush" hour. Traffic is never a problem. Get over it Eric, the people have voted.

Eric seems to be a real piece of work. Thank god we have Couch to keep him in check! Oh, wait...

Wow, this really pisses me off as a downtown resident, worker, and someone trying to start 2 startups in DT OKC in the next 90 days. I drive down Walker almost everyday, and at morning and evening "rush" hour. Traffic is never a problem. Get over it Eric, the people have voted.

It should upset you. Maybe PW can install Golden Corral-like buffet lines where the bike lanes used to be so we can all feel more at home. Functioning bike lanes may generate Mogadishu level chaos and mayhem.