I believe they intend another vote. I think they scrapped the idea of Main and Porter. The long-range stormwater plan will eliminate some houses on Acres and the water tower for a large pond-thingie, and the library would go just north, where Rhodes Granary is now.

the city bought land for two new fire houses to be built and last i heard were wanting to piggy back some new branch libraries on the same land.

And apparently I'm "The Enlightened Poster" on here now. So everybody has to agree with what I say and talk about how profound and infinite my wisdom is.

And apparently I'm "The Enlightened Poster" on here now. So everybody has to agree with what I say and talk about how profound and infinite my wisdom is.


Yeah, sadly, enlightened is a whole heck of a lot like being humble. Once you see that ya is, ya ain't.

Safe travels when you head back north all the same.

I believe they intend another vote. I think they scrapped the idea of Main and Porter. The long-range stormwater plan will eliminate some houses on Acres and the water tower for a large pond-thingie, and the library would go just north, where Rhodes Granary is now.


So we'd set the library fairly tight up to the tracks. Hmmmm, I guess all Story Times for the wee ones can center on the Adventures of Thomas the Train, complete with sound effects.

I love my adoptive town sometimes.

I think it is reasonable to ask those who feel like norman is not the enlightened suburb which suburb they feel is?

I think it is reasonable to ask those who feel like norman is not the enlightened suburb which suburb they feel is?

Well, Jesseda, who seems to be the main detractor, is from Moore. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but what do you suppose the thought process is there?

Well, Jesseda, who seems to be the main detractor, is from Moore. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but what do you suppose the thought process is there?

The sprawl-fest glory of 19th Street and musical stylings of Sir Toby Keith, maybe?

oh good lord, did i post anything about moore being a ideal town, no!! Again I dismiss people jumping the gun lol, I am not from moore lol, I now live in moore back and forth since a child, but I am from the Bay area,the person who posted i am from moore is pretty much a oaf since not even knowing where i truely am from. Moving on to towns around major cities that I think are way better and my idea of a heaven are Brentwood california or discovery bay california...Boy I open up some wounds on this so called pandora of a town

So stay in Oklahoma all the time and be blessfully unenlightened to the wonders of the world outside Oklahoma. But then I've been to 21 states, including California, and unfortunately not all that unenlightened how Oklahoma compares, frequently not as impressive.

Well then answer my question Jesseda, what is the enlightened suburb? I gave you the definition of the word "enlightened", which fits norman perfectly. But of course you ignored it.

And i LMFAO @ you for brining in cities from other states to try and back up your argument. What do they have to do with norman's enlightenment?

you asked "I think it is reasonable to ask those who feel like norman is not the enlightened suburb which suburb they feel is?" good god remember your own post.. I gave you my answer lol.. im glad your city of norman has insight, and are informed, educated and have knowledge, i just gave you my opinion on other cities that are more enlightened than norman is to me...you asked, I answered and now you get upset lol.. but enlightened also means to be open minded which it seems that you are not since you will not listen to what anyone has to say without arguing about it, but this is about a enlightened city not a enlightened person even though a city being called enlightened, is mainly due to enlightened people who live in that city.

Call me crazy, but doesn't the question kind of assume that we're comparing Norman to the rest of the suburbs of OKC, and not to every other suburb on Planet Earth?

when he asked yesturday which suburb he didnt state okc suburbs, so i gave him my answer to areas i use to live in.. if he is just asking about the okc metro suburbs that narrows it down to about 6-8 small cities, then it would be a tie between norman and edmond, unless now its narrowed down to just south okc metro then its probably norman lol

Jesseda, why the hell would i care about suburbs in other cities? Are you that dumb? I meant suburbs in the OKC area. Maybe you need to take a few classes in logic or critical thinking, and then start posting again. Because not only do you not make any sense in any of your posts, but the way you type is pretty annoying as well. You type like my 70 year old grandmother.

However, I am glad I got an answer out of you. Now that you say it is a tie between Norman and Edmond, why did you even start arguing in the first place?

sooner fan you love to insult dont ya, maybe thats why people love to argue with ya. but your words are hateful, and i dont needs some nasty ugly hearted person posting back to me, so im blocking you. just FYI.. i know it doesnt hurt your fellings ,, like you really have any

Norman is as enlightened as any city...that did not sell a house to a black family until after 1965...hmmm...

Really... wow..im serious wow, did not know that

Just checked out this thread for The first time and WOW there sure is a slugfest goin on in here!

Can someone explain what puts Edmond on par with Norman for sustainable development?

I believe they intend another vote. I think they scrapped the idea of Main and Porter. The long-range stormwater plan will eliminate some houses on Acres and the water tower for a large pond-thingie, and the library would go just north, where Rhodes Granary is now.

I'm still sore about the library getting voted down. Main and Porter would have been great. Where are we supposed to put a new library, at UNP?

Can someone explain what puts Edmond on par with Norman for sustainable development?

Edmond is greener and more smart growthers live in Edmond. Plus they have their own electric utility http://edmondok.com/utility/electric

Edmond also rallies together to keep new apartment complexes from being built and destroying property values.

What more could you want?

sooner fan you love to insult dont ya, maybe thats why people love to argue with ya. but your words are hateful, and i dont needs some nasty ugly hearted person posting back to me, so im blocking you. just FYI.. i know it doesnt hurt your fellings ,, like you really have any

Jesseda, calling someone an oaf isn't exactly a love fest so that works both ways. I never called you any names or tried to insult you but you did me. I had read your posts elsewhere talking about growing up in Moore or childhood memories from there so why wouldn't I think you were from there? Being born somewhere and saying you are from somewhere isn't always considered the same thing.

I'm still sore about the library getting voted down. Main and Porter would have been great. Where are we supposed to put a new library, at UNP?

Spartan, I was just wondering if you know where the library was before the current one. It's still there on the East side of Peters a couple of blocks south of Main Street. It was one block from my grandparents house so I spent a lot of time there as a child.


http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=35.219168,-97.440378&spn=0,0.019205&z=16&layer=tc&cbll=35.219088,-97.440326&panoid=e78rgJIoIypwpHyQXPA82g&cbp=12,80.02,,0,5

Edmond also rallies together to keep minorities from living in the area and destroying the cookie cutter suburban lifestyle of the upper-middle class white american.



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Can someone explain what puts Edmond on par with Norman for sustainable development?

Pipe dreams mostly...and the total weight of building materials logged in for construction...CSU's desire to be OU...and--who knows--in another 150 years--they might just make it!

Edmond is greener and more smart growthers live in Edmond. Plus they have their own electric utility http://edmondok.com/utility/electric

Edmond also rallies together to keep new apartment complexes from being built and destroying property values.

What more could you want?

Reality...Edmond is where all good "progressives" should move...and those "smart growthers" as well...along with the new NIMBY crowd every half-ass suburb conjures up when they get past 50K people...getting haughty about having apartment-dwellers as neighbors--the idea! The average nose in Edmond seems to be just a bit higher in the air--why--is a pure mystery. If one has been around the nation--it is about as ordinary a place as I have ever seen. Sometimes people get giddy once the fast-food establishment explosion overwhelms their senses and creates the Age of Nero--right in their own front yard.

Edmond is greener and more smart growthers live in Edmond. Plus they have their own electric utility http://edmondok.com/utility/electric

Edmond also rallies together to keep new apartment complexes from being built and destroying property values.

What more could you want?

Good leftys--now if they can get rid of apartment houses....and all the ethnic types...they could host the next dimmycrat national convention! They would fit right in! There is NO NEED for riff-raff in Edmondia! It is the inevitable progression of any college town as it seeks to "be somebody". Maybe an 90,000 seat football stadium, too!

Spartan, I was just wondering if you know where the library was before the current one. It's still there on the East side of Peters a couple of blocks south of Main Street. It was one block from my grandparents house so I spent a lot of time there as a child.


http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=35.219168,-97.440378&spn=0,0.019205&z=16&layer=tc&cbll=35.219088,-97.440326&panoid=e78rgJIoIypwpHyQXPA82g&cbp=12,80.02,,0,5

I spent a lot of time there too--at Central Junior High (1961-64) in the olden days--during the Pleistocene when I was young...ate at Tastee Freeze a lot too! And Strick's Bar-B-Q...also one must never forget the whispered about--yet hardly ever spoken about--mythical battle between East/West Norman...not unlike the proverbial battle between the Jukes and the Kallikaks...

Spartan, I was just wondering if you know where the library was before the current one. It's still there on the East side of Peters a couple of blocks south of Main Street. It was one block from my grandparents house so I spent a lot of time there as a child.


http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=35.219168,-97.440378&spn=0,0.019205&z=16&layer=tc&cbll=35.219088,-97.440326&panoid=e78rgJIoIypwpHyQXPA82g&cbp=12,80.02,,0,5

I spent a lot of time at the old Carnegie-built library as well...it was always very cold inside during the summer...a great place to recuperate from the heat back in the days when not everywhere had a/c...and Norman was small enough to be totally accessible to kids on bicycles...(~30,000)..smart kids knew where these refuges were and where the best ice-cold water-fountains were...some of the best were screwed onto the sides of Coca-Cola machines in gas stations...

The new library failed for a number of reasons, the greatest of which was the ability of the citizens to discuss all of the various components on the newspaper forum. Just like you guys here with all of your various bits of the OKC picture, whether they be zoning or funding or historical value or filing of official papers - you bring the bits of knowledge to the table and a clearer picture emerges.

The new library deserved to fail. The line of citizen communication has been cut off and I'm pretty sure that all future proposals will be approved.

The new library failed for a number of reasons, the greatest of which was the ability of the citizens to discuss all of the various components on the newspaper forum. Just like you guys here with all of your various bits of the OKC picture, whether they be zoning or funding or historical value or filing of official papers - you bring the bits of knowledge to the table and a clearer picture emerges.

The new library deserved to fail. The line of citizen communication has been cut off and I'm pretty sure that all future proposals will be approved.

With respect, I think you overestimate the power and influence of that former forum, indeed, most forums.

Quite possible. Many folk felt it was an important means of communication, outside of the Official Channels, citizen to citizen, brought together by the local newspaper. Either way it is gone.

Norman is as enlightened as any city...that did not sell a house to a black family until after 1965...hmmm...Wow, so Norman's sundowner custom lasted well into the 1960s? At other Oklahoma towns, such as Stillwater, they had their own black sections and a black school or two in the city limits, though about that time black schools in Oklahoma towns were being closed for disintegration. It's disgusting that the past bigotry of not allowing blacks is a part of Norman's history.

jbs728, yes i was born in cali, went back and forth (moore to cali) a lot, thats being from a split family does 4 ya. I choose to live in oklahoma with my family because most of my wife and my family lives here and i enjoy it here cost wise( but now houses are comparing to okc metro homes), and being from a town where i did spend a little more than half my childhood is great.

Norman is as enlightened as any city...that did not sell a house to a black family until after 1965...hmmm...

Hate to break it to you, but most all of Oklahoma was that way. In fact Edmond was even worse, not getting rid of their sundown city ordinances until 1974.

Today, Norman is doing all that it can to reverse those days. In fact the city slogan is, "Building an inclusive community." They really mean this too, taking it to heart with race, economic level, age, and about everything you can think of. The city has protected trailer parks and has planned their continued existence, but it also has encouraged the development of million-dollar homes. The city is an open place for students and the young, but there is also a very large crowd of professionals here, as well as the elderly and disabled who take advantage of our many pedestrian-friendly streets and businesses, as well as bus system. The city has its conservative places, but also those that are more liberal. I can't speak for anyone else but those are the reasons I like Norman.

So do *enlightened* suburbs always vote down water service price hikes or is it a function of the economy we live in today?

You know what, I'm paying $100+ a month for water and trash. We just voted for and got a rate hike just three and a half years ago and it was quite a significant one. So here we are, on the coat-tails of one of the largest increases in rates in recent history (I voted for the last one), during the worst economic times in a hundred years, and the city wants to raise rates again, and they want to raise them for what -- nothing to do with the infrastructure, that's what. This was to pay for wages and health care costs of the city garbage and water folks. Check the figures, almost two thirds of this money was to go to exactly that.

My hats off to them, I am sure they do a terrific job, but now is not the time to be asking for more budget. I'm sorry, but the city needs to tighten its belt and become more efficient... that is what happens in the real world when your business goes south. That isn't a matter of "enlightenment," that's just the way it is.

You know what, I'm paying $100 a month for water and trash. ...

You're not paying dbl my rate, but dang near.
I suddenly feel like maybe I don't shower near enough.

You're not paying dbl my rate, but dang near.
I suddenly feel like maybe I don't shower near enough.

Haha. Well, I think it is probably my sprinkler system that is using all that water up.

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