Oh, okay good. Phwew.

New downtown community planned for former Downtown Airpark property
http://m.newsok.com/new-downtown-community-planned-for-former-downtown-airpark-property/article/4869598

New downtown community planned for former Downtown Airpark property
New downtown community planned for former Downtown Airpark property | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/new-downtown-community-planned-for-former-downtown-airpark-property/article/4869598)
Great article. That pregnant line was a little weird though.

Great article. I am excited for Blair Humphreys. This is the project he was probably born to do. Fwiw, the MAPS 3 streetcar makes it down to the planned maintenance facility at the new I-40 and Walker. It won't take much effort to connect the Wheeler District, the river area, and Capitol Hill into the system. I am excited. It is really hard to find a reasonably priced house in Gatewood, Mesta, or the like. At least one that isn't already renovated and energy efficient. This is a real opportunity to build all types of new housing at all different types of price points dead center in the middle of OKC.

Am I correct to assume this is a lot like the Stapleton development in Denver?

I agree w Jeff. Blair is doing this his way, which is fabulous for OKC. In a decade or two I believe we will be urging and begging him to run for mayor.


Great article. That pregnant line was a little weird though.

I guess what it means is we need to quickly arrange a shotgun marriage with new urbanism.

I agree w Jeff. Blair is doing this his way, which is fabulous for OKC. In a decade or two I believe we will be urging and begging him to run for mayor.



I guess what it means is we need to quickly arrange a shotgun marriage with new urbanism.

BAHAHAHA…Love it!

So opportunistic.

Just so we'll all know -

According to 2011 CityData -

Per capita income & Single family Housing -
Bellaire - over 150,000 & 604,000
River Oaks - 117,300 & 906,000
The Woodlands - 105,000 &- 277,000

Bellaire has the most income -
River Oaks has the most expensive housing by far.

Though at a point as income rises, the percentage invested in their house starts to decline, Bellaire looks like it is largely residential and any shops in it's limits will have a lot of pressure from the mall & strip centers that are built directly south of it.

Just so we'll all know -

According to 2011 CityData -

Per capita income & Single family Housing -
Bellaire - over 150,000 & 604,000
River Oaks - 117,300 & 906,000
The Woodlands - 105,000 &- 277,000

Bellaire has the most income -
River Oaks has the most expensive housing by far.

Did anyone else notice that only people living in The Woodlands can afford their house. The others are way over paying for their level of income.

Let's please stop posting about Houston and stay on topic. Thanks.

This might turn out to be the place that many thought Core to Shore could have been. C2S is obviously not going to be much like the 2006 (?) "plan" and the Wheeler District guided by Blair might turn out to be the place that gets may people to abandon suburbia. The connections to the River trails is huge and when the Central Park is complete it will be a nice walk or bike ride to downtown.

This might turn out to be the place that many thought Core to Shore could have been. C2S is obviously not going to be much like the 2006 (?) "plan" and the Wheeler District guided by Blair might turn out to be the place that gets may people to abandon suburbia. The connections to the River trails is huge and when the Central Park is complete it will be a nice walk or bike ride to downtown.

The plan was not something that was expected to take ten years, it was not even expecting the items it described to be builds as conceived, it was looking at the kind of things that would/will be needed/desired at least twenty/thirty/fifty years out. While it will no doubt draw some from the suburbs, abandon is a bit strong a word for any effect it might have.

If the Wheeler district can get out ahead of C2S and have success, then C2S will follow suit. If the city just holds onto the C2S land until 2020 - 2025 and lets Blair and the Humphrey's get some important pieces built or under construction and a pipeline of solid development proposals that follows a promising archetype, then the city has something to point to and say "That!" when they let out RFP's.

No reason that C2S can't be a world-class area when it's all said and done.

It would be awesome if they released some conceptual district plans for Wheeler by the end of the year.

The plan was not something that was expected to take ten years, it was not even expecting the items it described to be builds as conceived, it was looking at the kind of things that would/will be needed/desired at least twenty/thirty/fifty years out. While it will no doubt draw some from the suburbs, abandon is a bit strong a word for any effect it might have.+1

Am I correct to assume this is a lot like the Stapleton development in Denver?

Stapleton is a much bigger project set on an entirely different demographic. Wheeler certainly has the potential to have a great effect on nearby parts of town. If it becomes highly successful, watch organic redevelopment of neighboring neighborhoods as well as the one around Wheeler Park itself.

http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/8252d1403301698-downtown-airpark-waterfront-wheeleraerial.jpg

Good, pleaseeeeeeeeee move Bass Pro out of downtown, by all means. Move it to Memorial Rd. or I-35 somewhere.

I love having Bass Pro Downtown. I go there twice a week and it always seems to be busy. I also like to take my 6 year old there. She loves the fish tank and animal mounts.

Ever since we first dammed up the river I've been wondering when development was going to start. maybe this is it?

https://twitter.com/WheelerDistrict/status/480023572837335040


Announcing the location of our hand-on design session & presentation - Join us at Grill on the Hill July 9th & 16th!

So cool they are doing it in Capitol Hill.

I love this project already.

Just announced yesterday:

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They sent this over; more details on the charette:

http://www.okctalk.com/attachments/development-buildings/8251d1403298053-downtown-airpark-waterfront-wheelerdate.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9322497/Photos/Photo%20Jun%2020%2C%204%2037%2002%20PM.png

Just announced yesterday:

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That was actually from Wednesday, yesterday they announced Big Gigantic will also be there! Should be announcing another headliner not too long from now. Very exciting!

Residents upset about noise, profanity from outdoor concert | Oklahoma City - OKC - KOCO.com (http://www.koco.com/news/residents-upset-about-noise-profanity-from-outdoor-concert/26599096)

Had to be Rap for this kind of negative reaction

Some more noise to add to the conversation: Foster the people playing there 10/2/2014. According to pollstar.com, they are not playing any shows in Texas, Kansas, Arkansas or Louisiana although they are playing Columbia, MO which would be closer for some Kansas/Arkansas folk and Las Cruces, NM which would be be closer for some Texans.

Wow. Foster the People is pretty big deal.

if people were complaining of noise I wonder how the "mystic Sanctuary" EDM festival will go over. especially since EDM festivals usually start late and play into the wee hours at times. I am just curious as to what hours they will end up playing for that festival.

per their website (http://www.fosterthepeople.com/tour), they will be in Austin as well.

Cuarto - I think it is a pretty big deal for the OKC concert (Oct 2) as they seem to be hitting limited locales. BTW, they will be here in Seattle for Bumbershoot.

per their website (http://www.fosterthepeople.com/tour), they will be in Austin as well.

Cuarto - I think it is a pretty big deal for the OKC concert (Oct 2) as they seem to be hitting limited locales. BTW, they will be here in Seattle for Bumbershoot.

Interesting it hasn't been posted on pollstar.com yet. I usually see it there before I see it on the artist's website.

if people were complaining of noise I wonder how the "mystic Sanctuary" EDM festival will go over. especially since EDM festivals usually start late and play into the wee hours at times. I am just curious as to what hours they will end up playing for that festival.

Should be interesting to see if folks were complaining about the "noise" in general or the profanity, since EDM (generally) has no lyrics, just THUMP-THUMP-DOOMP-PSSST-THUMP (not disparaging, I like IDM/EDM/techno/trance, whatever you want to call it now), which will, like you said, go on for hours.

https://twitter.com/WheelerDistrict/status/484453827349716992


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gbGI67pThE

That is very cool. I would love to program a light show on it.


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That was actually from Wednesday, yesterday they announced Big Gigantic will also be there! Should be announcing another headliner not too long from now. Very exciting!

I sure hope they offer some diversity:Smiley122. We can't have a music festival without diversity. Oh wait...it is put on by a private individual and I can exercise my right not to go if it isn't my thing? What was I thinking? Maybe I should spend several pages complaining about it. Nah..think I will just open a beer and get in the pool with some Buffett playing. I don't recognize any of these bands but sounds like a good thing and will bring more people and money into OKC for a couple of nights so I'm all for it.

Let's all celebrate the Fourth and our individual freedoms to listen to whatever we like. Happy 4th! :cheersmf::cheersmf::cheersmf:

Everybody I know is stoked about this EDM festy, but kinda bummed that we can't camp out. They're paying Bassnectar $250k... Which I think is outrageous.

I think OKC's existing music festivals need to be marketed better. This Mystik Sanctuary festival looks to be awesome, but this is the first I am hearing of it. I am going to try to be there.

I think OKC's existing music festivals need to be marketed better. This Mystik Sanctuary festival looks to be awesome, but this is the first I am hearing of it. I am going to try to be there.

I heard about it the day it was announced and every time they've realeased more names I knew the same day. It's not hard to come across this information. I'm pretty sure the info was posted here the day it was announced by elitespy.

I think OKC's existing music festivals need to be marketed better. This Mystik Sanctuary festival looks to be awesome, but this is the first I am hearing of it. I am going to try to be there.

Then I am not sure what you are doing because I have heard a few advertisements on the radio and have seen one on TV. I have also seen advertisements in the Gazette. I think the demographic of people that avidly go to those types of shows are very informed about that who is coming next and I think that is how they sell tickets.

Bassnectar for 250K is not even close to outrageous. That is industry standard for a name that big. You of all people should know that.

Granted, he hasn't been to OKC before... but maybe a few years ago when dubstep was hot he was worth it. $250,000 is still crazy to me tho.... but it encourages me to get my head out of 420 land and produce some music.

bassnectar puts on a hell of a show. saw him in Houston not to long back. even the people I went with who didn't like dubstep thought he was impressive

Eh, Bassnectar has his own sound. I wouldn't even classify him as dubstep at this point but if you did have to fit him in to the 4 major catagories (dubstep, house, techno & trance..... 5 if you want to give trap its own, but I don't) he would for sure fit in to the dubstep genre. If he is not the biggest draw in the USA right now then he is close. EDM has exploded in America, and the crowd here generally loves our homegrown producers (Pretty Lights, Bassnectar, Kaskade, Deadmau5) even more than the higher ranked foreign DJs (Hardwell, Tiesto, Armin).

yeah he is more of a hybrid. he's not a skrillex or porter robinson. if I had to make up a category id say industrial. just a mix of all the four above. Upside down, Timestrech, Butterfly, Pennywise Tribute, Empathy all have different sounds but run off the same mold.

Eh, Bassnectar has his own sound. I wouldn't even classify him as dubstep at this point but if you did have to fit him in to the 4 major catagories (dubstep, house, techno & trance..... 5 if you want to give trap its own, but I don't) he would for sure fit in to the dubstep genre. If he is not the biggest draw in the USA right now then he is close. EDM has exploded in America, and the crowd here generally loves our homegrown producers (Pretty Lights, Bassnectar, Kaskade, Deadmau5) even more than the higher ranked foreign DJs (Hardwell, Tiesto, Armin).

I feel ya... just don't know anybody playing his stuff anymore.

Eh, Bassnectar has his own sound. I wouldn't even classify him as dubstep at this point but if you did have to fit him in to the 4 major catagories (dubstep, house, techno & trance..... 5 if you want to give trap its own, but I don't) he would for sure fit in to the dubstep genre. If he is not the biggest draw in the USA right now then he is close. EDM has exploded in America, and the crowd here generally loves our homegrown producers (Pretty Lights, Bassnectar, Kaskade, Deadmau5) even more than the higher ranked foreign DJs (Hardwell, Tiesto, Armin).

Interesting. I am pretty new to EDM and am more into garage house (Rudimental, Disclosure, etc.). IMO the international acts are much better and outside of your mainstream artists like Zedd, its a shame so few know about them.

I wish we could urbanize at least a portion of the river but there seems to be zero interest in doing that.

http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic-issues/24486-urbanizing-oklahoma-river.html

I wish we could urbanize at least a portion of the river but there seems to be zero interest in doing that.

http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic-issues/24486-urbanizing-oklahoma-river.html

Isn't there plans to eventually urbanize the downtown airpark area?

Isn't there plans to eventually urbanize the downtown airpark area?

Not from what I saw. The buildings would all be built back a few hundred feet from the river with open space between them and the river. I am all for public access to waterfront but not everything has to be 200 feet away.

Not from what I saw. The buildings would all be built back a few hundred feet from the river with open space between them and the river. I am all for public access to waterfront but not everything has to be 200 feet away.

I don't know, I kind of like the master plan for the Downtown Airpark the way its presented here.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/wikiphotos/downtownairpark1.jpg

The Oklahoma river isn't a real river and the city didn't develop with the river as its focal point like you see in cities like Memphis and St. Louis. Even those places have much of the development set back 200+ feet from the shore.

I don't know, I kind of like the master plan for the Downtown Airpark the way its presented here.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/wikiphotos/downtownairpark1.jpg

The Oklahoma river isn't a real river and the city didn't develop with the river as its focal point like you see in cities like Memphis and St. Louis. Even those places have much of the development set back 200+ feet from the shore.

Lol, What's a real river? Not every river is going to be as wide as the Mississippi. The North Canadian river is a real river with enhancements and a new stupid name.

We are designing the Wheeler District from the ground up and probably won't look anything like the Waterfront.

Lol, What's a real river? Not every river is going to be as wide as the Mississippi. The North Canadian river is a real river with enhancements and a new stupid name.

I think what he meant is that the North Canadian River was not used as a mode of transportation. Cities develop around the dominate mode of transportation available at the time of their founding - be it harbors, rivers, railroads, or the interstate. OKC was founded because of the railroad station that pre-dated the land run by a few years. Now granted, the railroad station was here because of the river, but the river only functioned as a supplier of water for the steam engine, not a mode of transportation.

Lol, What's a real river? Not every river is going to be as wide as the Mississippi. The North Canadian river is a real river with enhancements and a new stupid name.

JTF said it right. It was never a river used to shipping and transportation like the Mississippi, Arkansas, Ohio, etc. Eastern cities usually developed with their river as their focal point. OKC developed around the railroad.

JTF said it right. It was never a river used to shipping and transportation like the Mississippi, Arkansas, Ohio, etc. Eastern cities usually developed with their river as their focal point. OKC developed around the railroad.

Unnavigable would be a much more accurate description than "not real" as it is certainly a real river, just not a mode of transportation.


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I honestly don't consider the Oklahoma River a "real" river. I consider it a man-made river if anything.

What does that even mean? Of course it's a real river, the North Canadian River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Canadian_River). Just because it has been extensively fiddled with doesn't make it any less of a river.

I think what he meant is that the North Canadian River was not used as a mode of transportation. Cities develop around the dominate mode of transportation available at the time of their founding - be it harbors, rivers, railroads, or the interstate. OKC was founded because of the railroad station that pre-dated the land run by a few years. Now granted, the railroad station was here because of the river, but the river only functioned as a supplier of water for the steam engine, not a mode of transportation.

Before the land run, OKC existed only as "Oklahoma Station" You are right, it was simply a water stop for the RR on the N Canadian River.

After than land run, OKC grew but Guthrie was the territorial capitol and had all the importance in what that entails. Likewise it was considered the more important rail stop. So when the STL Railway was going to be expanded west of Sapulpa, the originial plan was to run it in the Cimmaron River Valley straight to Guthrie. People like Henry Overholster hustled and lobbied the railroad to come to OKC instead. They did, Guthrie slowly was eclipsed in population by OKC until the capitol was finally moved and that was pretty much "all she wrote."

So even though OKC *technically* started because of its location on the river, its ultimate growth was because of the railroads.

I think what he meant is that the North Canadian River was not used as a mode of transportation. Cities develop around the dominate mode of transportation available at the time of their founding - be it harbors, rivers, railroads, or the interstate. OKC was founded because of the railroad station that pre-dated the land run by a few years. Now granted, the railroad station was here because of the river, but the river only functioned as a supplier of water for the steam engine, not a mode of transportation.

Actually, for thousands of years all of the waterways in Oklahoma were highways for the Native Americans. Either by canoe, barge or walking, the rivers were the mode of transportation.

I honestly don't consider the Oklahoma River a "real" river. I consider it a man-made river if anything.

Things men make aren't real? Did you types your comment on a "real" computer? ;)