I'm not saying the city will try and block it; unless, of course, there are issues with the noise, code violations, crime, etc.. I guess what I was trying to say is that I think that Howard Pollack wants to put the ZooAmp out of business, and I don't think he'll be able to pull it off with this shoddy-looking place.

The city owns the ZooAmp through the Zoological Trust, and they don't seem to be eager to get out of the outdoor concert venue business. In a few years, I think it's their intent to build a replacement somewhere else in the city. Hard to say when and where.

This place looks like a state fair or music festival-type setup. I like the idea of having an outdoor venue on the river; but it should be a nicely constructed, permanent facility that will attract quality acts that appeal to all different age groups.

This place looks like a state fair or music festival-type setup. I like the idea of having an outdoor venue on the river; but it should be a nicely constructed, permanent facility that will attract quality acts that appeal to all different age groups.

As has been mentioned, this is only a temporary setup. There is already a proposal to have an outdoor facility on the south side of the river directly south of downtown.

As has been mentioned, this is only a temporary setup. There is already a proposal to have an outdoor facility on the south side of the river directly south of downtown.

Directly south of downtown would be ideal for the access to bars, restaurants, etc. in Bricktown. This temporary set up could be a great stepping stone for this to happen though!

Not to be a cynic, but since this is a Howard Pollack production, we can expect "WORLD CLASS ENTERTAINMENT" like REO Speedwagon and Steve Miller Band. Blah.

Whats wrong with REO Speedwagon and Steve Miller Band?? Those type of acts sell out HUGE venues like Red Rocks Amphitheater in Denver all the time. Don't forget that Pollack also brought in bands in the last two seasons like Phish and The Flaming Lips, both shows drew a massive crowd.

Not to be a cynic, but since this is a Howard Pollack production, we can expect "WORLD CLASS ENTERTAINMENT" like REO Speedwagon and Steve Miller Band. Blah.

That was my first thought. Nothing wrong with having those types of bands in the mix, but they always seem to dominate the bookings at the Zoo. There's usually maybe only 1 or 2 acts a year that don't get heavy rotation on KRXO and/or the KATT. Granted, most of the relevant new acts play smaller theater venues for a single or double bill, but the amphitheater circuit generally tries to leverage the draw of a handful of bands for one show to get it full.

And to really compete, any permanent venue will need a sloped viewing area with seating down low and an elevated lawn in the back. In addition, most major amphitheaters today have permanent open air structures covering at least the lower seating.

A few examples:

http://www.thewoodlandsproperty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/The-Woodlands-Concerts.jpg

http://unpluggedmusings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/752e7168-c845-419e-831f-d71cc9ee537d.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3333/36247484bp4.jpg

http://livenationpremiumseats.com/images/354/620/400/image.jpg

http://www.theshorelineamphitheatre.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/shoreline-amphitheatre-300x256.jpg



Of course this won't happen, but something like this would be cool on the river:

http://livenationpremiumseats.com/images/458/620/400/image.jpg

And to really compete, any permanent venue will need a sloped viewing area with seating down low and an elevated lawn in the back. In addition, most major amphitheaters today have permanent open air structures covering at least the lower seating.
Like was pointed out above, the airpark stage is only a temporary venue until a permanent amphitheater can be constructed. I can tell you a structure like you are suggesting is what is being seriously considered for the permanent facility.

Like was pointed out above, the airpark stage is only a temporary venue until a permanent amphitheater can be constructed. I can tell you a structure like you are suggesting is what is being seriously considered for the permanent facility.

Yes. I was talking about a permanent structure. They're obviously not doing that now.

new zoning for the temporary concert venue was approved yesterday at council ... it allows 12 events a year for 3 years .. and then the PUB expires

new zoning for the temporary concert venue was approved yesterday at council ... it allows 12 events a year for 3 years .. and then the PUB expires

until they just renew it because no one has come up with a permanent solution. Please forgive my cynicism, but nothing at the airpark has seemed to have moved at all....ever. The last thing i went to there was 4th of July fireworks likst 6 years ago. The place is just as empty as it was then.

until they just renew it because no one has come up with a permanent solution. Please forgive my cynicism, but nothing at the airpark has seemed to have moved at all....ever. The last thing i went to there was 4th of July fireworks likst 6 years ago. The place is just as empty as it was then.

Yeah, I'm quite surprised that there's been absolutely no movement on this project. I thought it was a wonderful idea, but it's just never going to happen. Which is too bad, because I really do think it would be successful.

I would like to see the concert venue take off there and become a nicer more perminent facility. I loved going to outdoor concert.s at the zoo amp but would e
Welcome a nice venue on the river.

until they just renew it because no one has come up with a permanent solution. Please forgive my cynicism, but nothing at the airpark has seemed to have moved at all....ever. The last thing i went to there was 4th of July fireworks likst 6 years ago. The place is just as empty as it was then.

Did you miss Humphrey's permanent solution? Just because it hasn't broke ground, doesn't mean it won't happen. He even recently stated it's still in the works. You people have to lose the instant gratification mentality, just because we've had recent success.

Did you miss Humphrey's permanent solution? Just because it hasn't broke ground, doesn't mean it won't happen. He even recently stated it's still in the works. You people have to lose the instant gratification mentality, just because we've had recent success.

Can you provide a link to where was it reported that he recently said it's still in the works? If it's in this thread, please direct me to it as I must have overlooked it.

Not surprising this hasn't broke ground yet for 2 reasons, A)it was highly ambitious to begin with and B) for what they're proposing and where its at, its just a little ahead of its time.

I wouldn't be surprised to see nothing happen until a few years after the park is built.

The last thing I heard from Grant on this was to expect the development to follow a sequence more like Carlton Landing.

The last thing I heard from Grant on this was to expect the development to follow a sequence more like Carlton Landing.

Can you clarify this at all? I'm not familiar enough with Carlton Landing to know what he meant by that, other than guessing it means the sequence will be extremely slow.

FYI Carlton Landing is booming, I'd encourage you to follow Carlton Landing and Grant on FB and Twitter if you want more updates, pics, etc.

FYI Carlton Landing is booming, I'd encourage you to follow Carlton Landing and Grant on FB and Twitter if you want more updates, pics, etc.

Cool, I didn't know they had a Facebook page. Thanks for the info.

Edit: Judging by Facebook, that development looks really nice.

Looks like the downtown airpark has its first concert:

Oct. 3 – Oklahoma City, Okla., DT Airpark

The Lumineers Of Fall | Pollstar (http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=805408)

Looks like the downtown airpark has its first concert:

Oct. 3 – Oklahoma City, Okla., DT Airpark

The Lumineers Of Fall | Pollstar (http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=805408)

So has there been action on this site? Are they going to build a grand stage of some sort?

Can you clarify this at all? I'm not familiar enough with Carlton Landing to know what he meant by that, other than guessing it means the sequence will be extremely slow.

Basically:

Infrastructure>lower-density housing>higher-density housing>mixed-use.

Instead of Phase I developments of tens of millions of dollars like what was common nationally 7-10 years ago, this project might start small and slowly grow into the masterplan.

This is small thinking, and it is a lot likelier to be a small failure than big thinking being a big failure.

There's a facebook page now for the airpark concert venue:

https://www.facebook.com/OKCAirpark

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/292664_643431399019567_594984649_n.png

This is small thinking, and it is a lot likelier to be a small failure than big thinking being a big failure.

Somehoe, i think the operative word on this is failure. Not that I dont think it's a really awesome concept and wouldnt' love to have it on the river. I just don't think it's going to happen. Our hopes on C2S i think are stretched on what it will actually produce in our lifetime, and given that, the extra load of residential on the river will probably not help the situation.

Horrible logo.

Horrible logo.

But it's Thunder colors...

Looks like the downtown airpark has its first concert:

Oct. 3 – Oklahoma City, Okla., DT Airpark

The Lumineers Of Fall | Pollstar (http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=805408)

Motley Crue is supposed to be there September 13.

The Lumineers are awesome. That'll be a fantastic show.

Somehoe, i think the operative word on this is failure. Not that I dont think it's a really awesome concept and wouldnt' love to have it on the river. I just don't think it's going to happen. Our hopes on C2S i think are stretched on what it will actually produce in our lifetime, and given that, the extra load of residential on the river will probably not help the situation.

I disagree completely. The reason the airpark redevelopment is going slow is just because there's nothing bridging the location to downtown so it's effectively Capitol Hill. But seeing real development now in C2S is being hampered by the uncertainty regarding all the big ticket projects and planning elements that may even once again cut the entire area off from downtown.

I disagree completely. The reason the airpark redevelopment is going slow is just because there's nothing bridging the location to downtown so it's effectively Capitol Hill. But seeing real development now in C2S is being hampered by the uncertainty regarding all the big ticket projects and planning elements that may even once again cut the entire area off from downtown.

You're argument against it being connected to DT could be said for your argument that it's "Capitol Hill", it's just as disconnected from both IMO. It's a great filler between the two until something more permanent appears.

Not really. For those who grew up on the southside, Capitol Hill is broadly defined as a region of the city, not just 1 street or 1 building (the high school) as it seems to be for most northsiders.

This is Capitol Hill. The neighborhood that this abuts to the west is horrific, one of the worst for crime in the city (along SW 15th toward Penn).

No northsider I know thinks of Capital Hill as 1 street or 1 building. BUT, we do think of it as a pretty neglected area that has tremendous and obvious potential. And, it seems like the Waterfront would most likely relate to a rejuvenated Capital Hill area more so than it would with Bricktown.

The biggest thing slowing down the Waterfront is that other areas are more attractive right now and there is still plenty of development opportunities in those areas...Btown, DD, Midtown, SOSA. OKC is not so big that EVERY development opportunity can be done simultaneously and be successful. The money is going where it is safer. A developer doing something in Btown, DD, Midtown doesn't need to do a big PR job to explain why you would want to live there. At Waterfront they will be plowing new ground and that is always more expensive and riskier. That is why a cautious approach will be taken. Moving forward too slowly will be a failure. Full speed ahead most likely would be a failure. But, a slow and ramping up start can work. It is like when an airliner takes off. It starts slowly, picks up speed, and at some point it cannot stop - it is full throttle. This will most likely be that kind of project.

I agree that it would help to have a better connection to the CBD. If I were the Humphries, I'd buy a Vaporetto a d have it make cross river trips.

Just saw an advertisement in the new gazette for Sublime with Rome, Pennywise and Kottonmouth Kings at the DT Airpark on July 25th.

In an article when interviewing Howard Pollack, manager of the DT Airpark, said two major country shows await confirmation and a latin music festival is in the planning stages. He also said his company is in the process of planning a new 15,000 seat amphitheatre somewhere along the Oklahoma River with a target date of 2015/2016.

He also said his company is in the process of planning a new 15,000 seat amphitheatre somewhere along the Oklahoma River with a target date of 2015/2016.

That's a pretty good size venue so I think he would be limited to where it would go. My guess would be either the Pull A Part Auto yard, east of Shields, south if I-40, north of the river or maybe the Wheeler park area.

I would love to see something in the Pull-Apart yard. That's such an eyesore when you're walking along the river.

I would love to see something in the Pull-Apart yard. That's such an eyesore when you're walking along the river.

Amen.

No northsider I know thinks of Capital Hill as 1 street or 1 building. BUT, we do think of it as a pretty neglected area that has tremendous and obvious potential. And, it seems like the Waterfront would most likely relate to a rejuvenated Capital Hill area more so than it would with Bricktown.

The biggest thing slowing down the Waterfront is that other areas are more attractive right now and there is still plenty of development opportunities in those areas...Btown, DD, Midtown, SOSA. OKC is not so big that EVERY development opportunity can be done simultaneously and be successful. The money is going where it is safer. A developer doing something in Btown, DD, Midtown doesn't need to do a big PR job to explain why you would want to live there. At Waterfront they will be plowing new ground and that is always more expensive and riskier. That is why a cautious approach will be taken. Moving forward too slowly will be a failure. Full speed ahead most likely would be a failure. But, a slow and ramping up start can work. It is like when an airliner takes off. It starts slowly, picks up speed, and at some point it cannot stop - it is full throttle. This will most likely be that kind of project.

Every time we have an improvement to the downtown area, this development becomes more likely to be successful. It may be too early right now to start up, with nothing really connecting it to the more prosperous areas of downtown. I think how the Farmer's Market area ends up progressing will affect this project.

No northsider I know thinks of Capital Hill as 1 street or 1 building. BUT, we do think of it as a pretty neglected area that has tremendous and obvious potential. And, it seems like the Waterfront would most likely relate to a rejuvenated Capital Hill area more so than it would with Bricktown.

The biggest thing slowing down the Waterfront is that other areas are more attractive right now and there is still plenty of development opportunities in those areas...Btown, DD, Midtown, SOSA. OKC is not so big that EVERY development opportunity can be done simultaneously and be successful. The money is going where it is safer. A developer doing something in Btown, DD, Midtown doesn't need to do a big PR job to explain why you would want to live there. At Waterfront they will be plowing new ground and that is always more expensive and riskier. That is why a cautious approach will be taken. Moving forward too slowly will be a failure. Full speed ahead most likely would be a failure. But, a slow and ramping up start can work. It is like when an airliner takes off. It starts slowly, picks up speed, and at some point it cannot stop - it is full throttle. This will most likely be that kind of project.

No, Rover a slow ramping up will not work. We agree on the premise but not the conclusion.

You're not going to build an isolated retail or restaurant row and then do your first handful of townhomes and get success. That will just sit there and the weeds will grow OR the project gets watered down and moves forward, a la University North Park.

And I'm not sure what you're talking about a plane landing. The last time I flew was to NJ and we had an emergency belly landing that was quite hellacious. That's what I see this project doing lol.

Just saw an advertisement in the new gazette for Sublime with Rome, Pennywise and Kottonmouth Kings at the DT Airpark on July 25th.

In an article when interviewing Howard Pollack, manager of the DT Airpark, said two major country shows await confirmation and a latin music festival is in the planning stages. He also said his company is in the process of planning a new 15,000 seat amphitheatre somewhere along the Oklahoma River with a target date of 2015/2016.

Yes, the temporary venue seems to be moving along, as I saw the detailed plans they submitted for approval.

Regarding a permanent venue, most people don't realize that Chesapeake owns a big tract immediately east of the airpark; they bought it in 2007 about a year after the airpark was sold.

I'm told Pollock had been working with Chesapeake to place the amphitheater on their parcel as part of a bigger development. However, that all seems to have changed since the big shake-up at CHK.

Pollock may still be looking to build a permanent venue but it seems his best option is now off the table.

(Chesapeake land shown in yellow below; most the land between the two parcels is owned by the City.)

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/chkriver.jpg

That land in yellow is used as an informal soccer field that a huge little league uses almost every day. If you drive down Western into Capitol Hill around 4-7pm you'll see dozens and dozens of cars parked on the grass.

metro: what don't you like about the logo? Overall I think it works well.

No, Rover a slow ramping up will not work. We agree on the premise but not the conclusion.

You're not going to build an isolated retail or restaurant row and then do your first handful of townhomes and get success. That will just sit there and the weeds will grow OR the project gets watered down and moves forward, a la University North Park.

And I'm not sure what you're talking about a plane landing. The last time I flew was to NJ and we had an emergency belly landing that was quite hellacious. That's what I see this project doing lol.

I agree. If they don't ramp up on this project when they finally decide to begin, we're destined for a downtown University North Park.

Yes, the temporary venue seems to be moving along, as I saw the detailed plans they submitted for approval.

Regarding a permanent venue, most people don't realize that Chesapeake owns a big tract immediately east of the airpark; they bought it in 2007 about a year after the airpark was sold.

I'm told Pollock had been working with Chesapeake to place the amphitheater on their parcel as part of a bigger development. However, that all seems to have changed since the big shake-up at CHK.

Pollock may still be looking to build a permanent venue but it seems his best option is now off the table.

(Chesapeake land shown in yellow below; most the land between the two parcels is owned by the City.)

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/chkriver.jpg

I think that the Chesapeake land would be a good place for the GE research center.

That's a perfect site for GE..

I think that the Chesapeake land would be a good place for the GE research center.

That's a great idea. I wonder what parcel GE is actually negotiating with the city about?

Kinda off subject, but having to do with Humphreys, I was just looking at all the pics from Carlton Landing on Facebook, and I'm sorry......BUT it kind of reminds me of M. Night Shayamalan's 'The Village'...and that to me IS creepy.

The Pull-a-Part plot would be a good place for the GE Center.

But I also think that plot we be suited to the Velodrome idea that has been floating around and that is coming from a non-cyclist.

The northern CHK shown on Pete's map would be good for GE, but the Outdoor Amp would be a good compliment for Waterfront Project, specifically the ferris wheel.

Kinda off subject, but having to do with Humphreys, I was just looking at all the pics from Carlton Landing on Facebook, and I'm sorry......BUT it kind of reminds me of M. Night Shayamalan's 'The Village'...and that to me IS creepy.

Yep, the pretty street and houses sure are creepy! :)

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Yep, the pretty street and houses sure are creepy!

Obviously you haven't seen The Village or even know the premise of the movie...smh.

I agree. If they don't ramp up on this project when they finally decide to begin, we're destined for a downtown University North Park.

That's a pretty big and unsupportable leap. Just hyperbole.

That's a pretty big and unsupportable leap. Just hyperbole.

Okay, Rover. Because there are so many projects here that live up to the original hype.

Obviously you haven't seen The Village or even know the premise of the movie...smh.

I have seen it. Why don't you enlighten us to how a great development at Lake Eufala resembles this movie? LOL. Doesn't seem obvious to me. Seems that you're a bit on the strange side to think a community designed by well-known, new urbanist planners and being executed well would be creepy. Have you been there?

Also, please comment on how the pictures I posted above would be considered creepy?

That's a pretty big and unsupportable leap. Just hyperbole.

Great point. Not all developments are the same. This one is a bit unique when all things are considered. Who would have thought that Deep Deuce would be what it is today? 15 years ago it was a ghost town except for some dangerous elements.

I have seen it. Why don't you enlighten us to how a great development at Lake Eufala resembles this movie? LOL. Doesn't seem obvious to me. Seems that you're a bit on the strange side to think a community designed by well-known, new urbanist planners and being executed well would be creepy. Have you been there?

Also, please comment on how the pictures I posted above would be considered creepy?

Ok, first off Gracie, since you're new, let me fill you in on some things. I'm sarcastic a lot. Also, if you've seen the movie, they have the same kind of buildings and have little parties at night where everyone dresses up like it's the 1800s. Granted people at the Humphreys development don't dress like that but there is one pic on their Facebook page of everyone dressed up in bonnets and the like for a Thanksgiving feast. Good for them if they want to get away from the big city with the community that is in development and obviously has a long way to go. I never said it wasn't a great development so don't read between the lines.

Last but not least....M. Night Shamamalan movies are meant to be creepy. That's where the creepy comes in. The resemblance between the movie and this town square. Get it?

How is a poster that registered in August 2008 "new"?

Ok, first off Gracie, since you're new, let me fill you in on some things. I'm sarcastic a lot. Also, if you've seen the movie, they have the same kind of buildings and have little parties at night where everyone dresses up like it's the 1800s. Granted people at the Humphreys development don't dress like that but there is one pic on their Facebook page of everyone dressed up in bonnets and the like for a Thanksgiving feast. Good for them if they want to get away from the big city with the community that is in development and obviously has a long way to go. I never said it wasn't a great development so don't read between the lines.

Last but not least....M. Night Shamamalan movies are meant to be creepy. That's where the creepy comes in. The resemblance between the movie and this town square. Get it?

LOL. Thanks for the gracie, comment. I'm not new here, just don't post much. Wonder why? :) Maybe you're the one who needs to lighten up a little bit. You called it creepy and compared it to a creepy movie. I disagreed and struggled to understand what you were saying. You were trying to be funny while being sarcastic and used a picture of people (probably kids from the school located at the development) dressed up for a Thanksgiving event. You proceed to take a couple more shots about people wanting to "get away from the big city" and that it has a "long ways to go". Seems to me you have a funny way of being light and sarcastic while taking real shots at the same time.

But thanks for "filling me in on some things". LOL.

LOL. Thanks for the gracie, comment. I'm not new here, just don't post much. Wonder why? :) Maybe you're the one who needs to lighten up a little bit. You called it creepy and compared it to a creepy movie. I disagreed and struggled to understand what you were saying. You were trying to be funny while being sarcastic and used a picture of people (probably kids from the school located at the development) dressed up for a Thanksgiving event. You proceed to take a couple more shots about people wanting to "get away from the big city" and that it has a "long ways to go". Seems to me you have a funny way of being light and sarcastic while taking real shots at the same time.

But thanks for "filling me in on some things". LOL.

You're welcome. My humor isn't for everyone, lol.

Would you two please step outside so we could return this thread to the original topic?

Would you two please step outside so we could return this thread to the original topic?Well, you might want to say that to the rest of the OKCTalk community seeing as how almost every thread has gone off topic lol(and I know I've contributed to it, I'm doing it now).