But, the new single family homes (which I imagine will be replicas of the new construction in places like Mesta and J.Park) will be confined to a relatively small area WEST of Walker. When people think Core2Shore, I think that most people think of what will be the higher density areas at the heart of it, from Walker eastward.

I would be waaaaaaay more pro-C2S if it was going to be more single family.

Maybe it will. No one really knows what it will be at this point. Still lots of time to develop more concrete plans.

Well consider that the central park will be 2 blocks wide. There will be a few blocks of medium/high-density residential bounding the park on at least the west side, and hopefully the east side as well. West of Walker, SW 3rd already has the urban fabric in place to make an awesome historic district all the way to Western. That leaves a corner south of 3rd and west of Walker.

After reading about the 2010 census figures, it occurred to me this location would be ideal for a major league soccer stadium. I mean, it's on Latino OKC's doorstep. I think MLS would do very well here appealing especially to a fast-growing segment of the city's population.

Awesome idea. Humphreys properties just south of Reno and Walker and stop by with your idea. I love it..

After reading about the 2010 census figures, it occurred to me this location would be ideal for a major league soccer stadium. I mean, it's on Latino OKC's doorstep. I think MLS would do very well here appealing especially to a fast-growing segment of the city's population.

I like the idea a ton. I don't know if that would be considered a big enough victory for the chamber to put effort into pursuing it. Hell, Mayor Mick is apt to block it... "for so many reasons."

Humphreys people may be in for lunch today I will mention that for you..

I know the soccer specific stadiums built for the MLS today also double as 20,000 seat (including field seating) outdoor concert venues. I have been to concerts in Chicago and Frisco's stadium and thimk this is a great idea.

That would probably have to be a MAPS 4 project. It is an interesting idea, and I like the idea of it being on the south side of the river. Personally, I would probably never go to an MLS event, but if we've got enough people to support it, I say go for it. As noted, it would be a great concert venue too and could be used for high school football tournaments and a variety of other events.

Interesting and I like it too!

A few weeks ago, I was also thinking along these same lines although not thinking of a soccer stadium (great idea). I was thinking that Humphries should look into making this development a type of Latino Village. Having a market, town square type of development, with street vendors, shops, music, cinema, and villas, while also incorporating the boardwalk. A place where if you were to go here you may think you were in a resort village in Latin America.

I am sure that someone could come up with a picture of this type of development seen in other Latino communities around the world.

Did a little research and bringing MLS to OKC in the near future is a loooong shot. Apparently Edmond/UCO tried to lure MLS a few years ago and was passed over for league expansion. The Edmond people were confident MLS would succeed here. I know Edmond is a hotbed, but soccer is popular with kids and adults all over the metro. I live near South Lakes Park and the soccer club there is very active. A central location for a stadium would be best IMO. Not saying it can't happen, but it will probably be 10+ years down the road before anything might happen.

The Houston Dynamo was an expansion team created in 2005. They have been playing at U of Houston but just this month announced plans for a new stadium downtown seating 22K. Linky-dink: http://www.houstondynamo.com/stadium

Edmond alone is not going to be able to lure an MLS team. We still have a dynamic central city in this metro that is still dominant over the suburbs. Furthermore, Tulsa actually could have gotten an MLS team during the last decade if it wanted. It's just that it was really popular in the early 2000s, then support for it in Tulsa fizzled away when the NBA came to OKC and the economy tanked.

Edmond alone is not going to be able to lure an MLS team. We still have a dynamic central city in this metro that is still dominant over the suburbs. Furthermore, Tulsa actually could have gotten an MLS team during the last decade if it wanted. It's just that it was really popular in the early 2000s, then support for it in Tulsa fizzled away when the NBA came to OKC and the economy tanked.

You do know that Tulsa used to have a major league soccer team, right?

You do know that Tulsa used to have a major league soccer team, right?

no they actually didn't ... the MLS has never had a team in tulsa

no they actually didn't ... the MLS has never had a team in tulsa

Yes they did, the Roughnecks. The NASL was the MLS of its time.

Yes they did, the Roughnecks. The NASL was the MLS of its time.

So I guess the xfl is the NFL. Or the aba was the NBA. There has NEVER been a MLS team in tulsa

Actually 4 ABA teams joined 1977 the NBA. New Jersey, San Antonio, Denver, cannot remember the 4th one. Nice one Boulder we get your point..

So I guess the xfl is the NFL. Or the aba was the NBA. There has NEVER been a MLS team in tulsa

The Roughnecks were in the highest level of pro soccer at the time. Your argument is pointless and kind of petty.

Ummm...... Isn't this thread about development at the Downtown Airpark, not a has been soccer team that used to be in Tulsa?

Actually 4 ABA teams joined 1977 the NBA. New Jersey, San Antonio, Denver, cannot remember the 4th one. Nice one Boulder we get your point..

the pacers were the 4th team

the pacers were the 4th team

Thank You, you knew that and did not have to look it up..

the pacers were the 4th team

Silly me, I thought it was the Tropics.

When is this going to get started... ready to ride that ferris wheel...

Another dead project by The Humphreys Co?

http://imaginativeamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/imagi_waterfront_02.jpg

I believe he said in an article with the DOK that it is on hold. I think they were in a fight with the city over the environmental assessment costs for that site.

Right now, I think they are focusing all their energy on Carlton Landing, a neat looking project at Lake Eufaula. I also think I read an article within the past year where they said they would like to wait and see what kind of development happens around the Central Park before proceeding on the Waterfront. So, it seems like it could be awhile.

Yea, thats how it goes, planned > proposed > on hold > dead, lol.

The economy is improving, and there are many similar projects across the US that are moving forward, also if the economy was that bad, why are they progressing with the Carlton Landing development?

Personally, I would rather see them restart The Flatiron project, before The Waterfront.

Personally, I would rather see them restart The Flatiron project, before The Waterfront.

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I hope it's still at least on track from a planning standpoint. The development of the city core is going to be amazing once things get chugging along again economically. Also, the politics board is a few more down.

Yea, thats how it goes, planned > proposed > on hold > dead, lol.

The economy is improving, and there are many similar projects across the US that are moving forward, also if the economy was that bad, why are they progressing with the Carlton Landing development?

Personally, I would rather see them restart The Flatiron project, before The Waterfront.

You probably will see Flatiron before Waterfront.

It seems like a solid project if ever done but I agree I would prefer The Flatiron project done before this one and if what mcca quoted is correct then I certainly think The Flatiron will be done before (way before) The Waterfront.

Ha, how strange! I remember hearing a few years ago that some trust fund kid from OkC bought a ferris wheel on ebay from california and had it shipped to Oklahoma. (must have been a great childhood) I have at times wondered what that was all about and what they were going to do with it... Now I see a picture of a ferris wheel down by the river!

Ha, how strange! I remember hearing a few years ago that some trust fund kid from OkC bought a ferris wheel on ebay from california and had it shipped to Oklahoma. (must have been a great childhood) I have at times wondered what that was all about and what they were going to do with it... Now I see a picture of a ferris wheel down by the river!

A little behind my friend, this was in the news when purchased and it was announced it would be installed at this location.

Forgive me, but how is this project supposed to pay for itself? The only thing there that has an income source looks to be the ferris wheel. It's a great greenspace and all, so I like it. I just don't see the economic benefit here....seems more geared to a municipal project than a private developer. Myabe some dock fees too, but that doesn't seem like it would be enough to help get an ROI on the amount of work that would need to be done.

Forgive me, but how is this project supposed to pay for itself? The only thing there that has an income source looks to be the ferris wheel. It's a great greenspace and all, so I like it. I just don't see the economic benefit here....seems more geared to a municipal project than a private developer. Myabe some dock fees too, but that doesn't seem like it would be enough to help get an ROI on the amount of work that would need to be done.

Don't you see the proposed/planned office buildings and or residential buildings, the Ferris Wheel is intended as a draw, not to make money.

Yeah, I remember reading that the ferris wheel had already been bought. See I think this should be put in first and very early, like before they even build the Central Park. Cause the only way of getting private developers to build condos, highrises, or businesses is to have something that catches the eye and is a popular destination. I am more in favor of building the C2S from river to downtown. I would like to see the convention center with the new blvd area and the river area developed first, and then fill in all the other in between stuff as time goes on. That is whats best for us economically and in reality.

That ferris wheel purchase is seeming more and more strange as time goes by and this project just gets deader and deader.

Have we all forgotten that Grant wanted to wait until the new I-40 crosstown was completed, I own about an acre of land on the back SW corner ajoining the Air-park fence.. I got it dirt cheap, but its in the 100 year flood plain.. I am still wondering how they are going to get all 70 acres out of the flood zone.. There is some debate weather its even in the flood zone due to all the flood control improvements.. Anyway we will have to wait until I-40 is completed..

Well its only a couple months out from being completed, if that...

I always thought Frontier City or White Water should move down to the waterfront. I hate driving that far out. I think they could make a killing downtown.

Typically if you were including those buildings in your project, you wouldn't grey them out. If you grey them out, it generally means it's just supposed to be surrounding development.....

Maybe I recall things incorrectly, but dinna they announce a while back their focus was going to be a development out at Lake Eufaula.

Maybe I recall things incorrectly, but dinna they announce a while back their focus was going to be a development out at Lake Eufaula.

yessir.

The river we have is pathetic compared to others near cities. I think if this was to happen..it would be to crowded on the waters..

The river we have is pathetic compared to others near cities. I think if this was to happen..it would be to crowded on the waters..

... thus bringing more people and resources to the river to make it less pathetic in your opinion. lol

True, but that doesn't stop the fact its two small..if they were to do a "waterfront" project, they would have to widen the river in that general place

True, but that doesn't stop the fact its two small..if they were to do a "waterfront" project, they would have to widen the river in that general place

I'm not trying to pick on you, but why would they have to widen the river? Do you feel like they should have widened the river by the boathouses? The wider you make it the less intimate and natural it's going to seem.

I'm pretty sure there are very urbanized waterfronts that are narrower than the Oklahoma River. It's all about how the buildings interact with the shoreline.

that's true, to be honest im just a young guy very interested and curious about OKC

that's true, to be honest im just a young guy very interested and curious about OKC

So am I! (If 22 is still considered young; it is in my book lol)

18 hahaha

18 hahaha

You're still not the youngest. LOL

The river we have is pathetic compared to others near cities. I think if this was to happen..it would be to crowded on the waters..

Between the predominant wind being north/south, the river being predominantly east/west and the rivers the high banks blocking wind; I expect that Lake Hefner will continue to be where most people sail & windsurf in the city. There are wake restrictions so their is not going to be people water skiing or riding PWCs. So outside of the boats already out their, fishing boats may be the only others interested in the river (lakes).

that's true, to be honest im just a young guy very interested and curious about OKC

Skanaly, welcome to OKC talk and it's great to have a young person interested. This project will honestly have no affect on needing a larger river though. Our river will never be in danger of becoming too crowded.

Well then that is good to know!

True, but that doesn't stop the fact its two small..if they were to do a "waterfront" project, they would have to widen the river in that general place

I'm sure you've actually looked at the project your talking about, right? Because the Humphreys Waterfront development DOES call for widening the river and making some inlets!

Between the predominant wind being north/south, the river being predominantly east/west and the rivers the high banks blocking wind; I expect that Lake Hefner will continue to be where most people sail & windsurf in the city. There are wake restrictions so their is not going to be people water skiing or riding PWCs. So outside of the boats already out their, fishing boats may be the only others interested in the river (lakes).
Not to mention the river water is nasty and who would want to do swim/sail activities in it.

Skanaly, welcome to OKC talk and it's great to have a young person interested. This project will honestly have no affect on needing a larger river though. Our river will never be in danger of becoming too crowded.

As a rower at the Olympic Training Center, I disagree with that. For boat traffic, it is far less than other places, but Philly for example has 3 miles worth of rowing, 50% wider at most points. Where here we only have 4k worth and most people only train on the 2k straight away from Lincoln to Eastern. The kayak program is only going to grow and that takes up a lot of water space. I am not complaining, just stating. Also with more boats comes more coaching boats, which add wake to the water.

True, but that doesn't stop the fact its two small..if they were to do a "waterfront" project, they would have to widen the river in that general place

For comparsion sake:

Oklahoma River: 425' wide
Thames in London: 830' wide
Seine in Paris: 400' wide
Chicago River: 250' wide

Not to mention the river water is nasty and who would want to do swim/sail activities in it.

In core to shore plans they make statements that the water quality needs to be improved to get the desired level of development to happen. Though when improvement may be seen or what level of improvement is believed necessary are not mentioned.

Not only will the water quality actually need to improve, but the [I] perception[I] of the water quality will also have to improve greatly.

As a rower at the Olympic Training Center, I disagree with that. For boat traffic, it is far less than other places, but Philly for example has 3 miles worth of rowing, 50% wider at most points. Where here we only have 4k worth and most people only train on the 2k straight away from Lincoln to Eastern. The kayak program is only going to grow and that takes up a lot of water space. I am not complaining, just stating. Also with more boats comes more coaching boats, which add wake to the water.

I appreciate the imput of someone who regularly uses the river. I hope you right about the continued additional use. I still doubt that the river will ever have any serious overcrowding conditions though.