Theres a lot of differences in types of “diversity”. Economic diversity .. not everyone can afford the same things. However, racial, gender, national origin, etc., might be a matter of discrimination. So, it matters what kind of activities and diversity you are talking about.

Nor should there be. That size of a dwelling is the same as a good sized bedroom. It would quickly become a run down piece of property.

I disagree wholeheartedly. The house I live in currently is approximately 1300 sq ft, not much bigger than the Bolo design seen above. The main difference is this property is split across what appears to be 3 levels, whereas mine is only 1 story. But either way, that's plenty of room to live in for an individual, or a couple, maybe even with a kid. It wouldn't be much different than a townhouse, really. If I had the money to buy into this development, this is the sort of property I'd jump on, to be honest.

I disagree wholeheartedly. The house I live in currently is approximately 1300 sq ft, not much bigger than the Bolo design seen above. The main difference is this property is split across what appears to be 3 levels, whereas mine is only 1 story. But either way, that's plenty of room to live in for an individual, or a couple, maybe even with a kid. It wouldn't be much different than a townhouse, really. If I had the money to buy into this development, this is the sort of property I'd jump on, to be honest.

You are losing a ton of square footage to stairs on that one. Stairs, landings and halls are taking up at least 10% of that house. Usable square footage is probably closer to 1,000 square feet with an odd living area on the 3rd floor that could be a bedroom, but has no bath and is divided by a staircase and landing.

You are losing a ton of square footage to stairs on that one. Stairs, landings and halls are taking up at least 10% of that house. Usable square footage is probably closer to 1,000 square feet with an odd living area on the 3rd floor that could be a bedroom, but has no bath and is divided by a staircase and landing.

Personally, I really do think it could still work, and some people (particularly individuals) would still be interested, but you've got me thinking about how much of that space would actually be usable... I'd want to see floor plans of this place.

Yup. My current house is 1800sf, but even with four of us we could drop a few hundred without noticing it. Once my boys are gone, 1000sf or a little smaller seems perfect.

My wife and I live in under 600 square feet without problem. Of course, people in major cities around the globe live in very small spaces ofte with a lot of creativity. But, of course, in OKC it’s so easy to get a big place and be a 10-15 minute drive from anything. For me, I always want to live somewhere where I don’t even have to get in a car most days.

Ditto! Days where I have to get in a car are fail days for me. I ride the bus, drive the motorcycle or scooter, or walk when I can. I want to be where walking is the first option. The only reason I want a little more space is for a guest bedroom for visitors. But after decades of mowing I'm done with taking care of a yard and a house. I want something small and efficient.

Things dont seem to be getting better for Kirk. Doesnt sound like his meeting with John Rex parents went very well. Im not sure threatening parents with not allowing their kids to go there anymore or saying some charities wont donate again if hes gone is the right way to go about it.

http://newsok.com/john-rex-parents-seek-ouster-of-humphreys/article/5577526

Anyone else heard rumors about a local business relocating to the hanger on the south end of the Wheeler District?

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/wheeler012818.jpg

I haven't gotten a chance to stop by here since I've been back. Any significant changes in the last 2 months?

I haven't gotten a chance to stop by here since I've been back. Any significant changes in the last 2 months?

No.

Does it seem as if there is a delay/hold up? Anxious to see the timeline from here.

There has been some progress here - the dirt to the east of Western is just fill from the improvements happening on the west side. From Sunday:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/wheeler040118.jpg

It's cool to see this is making some progress. Thanks for posting the pics. I wonder how long it will take for all of this to get built out.

What are they planning to do with the big hanger looking building on the south side of the lot?

From Steve's chat this week:


Q: Ashley, how are home sales in the Wheeler District going?

Ashley Terry, Wheeler District: They are going great. We're still in sale mode. We have presold 26 homes so far. We will hit the ground with spec houses as well. We hope to start the first year with 40 to 45 homes, 60 total in phase one.

The Big Friendly (beer bus) is expanding their brand and planning to open a brewery in Wheeler Park. It will be located next to the small existing building that is set to be a restaurant. Their entire structure will be new and they are planning on a late 2019 launch.

The Big Friendly (beer bus) is expanding their brand and planning to open a brewery in Wheeler Park. It will be located next to the small existing building that is set to be a restaurant. Their entire structure will be new and they are planning on a late 2019 launch.

Could you confirm it is Wheeler Park and not Wheeler District?

I don't think you could build a brewery on City property (Wheeler Park)

Could you confirm it is Wheeler Park and not Wheeler District?

My apologies... Yes, I MENT Wheeler District :o

Did anyone else notice that the prices jumped up? Curious given they haven't poured a single foundation yet.

https://www.wheelerdistrict.com/home/

Did anyone else notice that the prices jumped up? Curious given they haven't poured a single foundation yet.

https://www.wheelerdistrict.com/home/

That's surprising and unfortunate. The initial pricing was already above a lot of people's expectations, and definitely on the high side for an area that has some risk. The whole development looks like it will be awesome, but it's pretty incredible they would start raising prices when they haven't even poured a foundation. Aren't they several months (being generous here) behind on construction? I thought people were supposed to be living there this summer? It seems their time might be better spent trying to get some houses built before trying to cash in with even higher prices. If they got some houses built and the area started to take off, the price increase wouldn't be questionable and would be seen as inevitable. As it is now, it just looks like a money grab.

For everyone's reference, it appears the Hudson floorplan has risen $13k with some minor additions to the square footage (+50 sq. ft.), and the Winnie Mae has risen $11k with a small reduction (-85 sq. ft.). I'm not sure about the others.

As it stands Wheeler District prices are awfully close to highly sought neighborhoods in Frisco and Allen. I think this district will end up exciting but i wasnt a fan of the prices to begin with. Also i wonder about design allocation here. Are the planning to mix all the plans or run tracks of 1-2 bedroom homes and 3-4 bedroom homes. There is some potential to either positively (or negatively) effect the the social cohesion of the district if they do the latter. The website says they are sold of out of the smaller plans-- which is shocking to me. Maybe corporations bought several of them?

That's surprising and unfortunate. The initial pricing was already above a lot of people's expectations, and definitely on the high side for an area that has some risk. The whole development looks like it will be awesome, but it's pretty incredible they would start raising prices when they haven't even poured a foundation. Aren't they several months (being generous here) behind on construction? I thought people were supposed to be living there this summer? It seems their time might be better spent trying to get some houses built before trying to cash in with even higher prices. If they got some houses built and the area started to take off, the price increase wouldn't be questionable and would be seen as inevitable. As it is now, it just looks like a money grab.

For everyone's reference, it appears the Hudson floorplan has risen $13k with some minor additions to the square footage (+50 sq. ft.), and the Winnie Mae has risen $11k with a small reduction (-85 sq. ft.). I'm not sure about the others.

And on top of getting an absurd amount of TIF money. Outside of a little environmental work, I still dont know what made this site so much more difficult and expensive to develop than a suburban tract of homes. Especially when you consider this will be a much denser development with many more homes per acre than typical neighborhoods.

i'm still trying to figure out how one gets to the back section of the 3rd floor in the 'winnie mae'... perhaps there's an attic-style access hatch?

I thought i was just blind. Glad someone else was struggling to see it too.

i'm still trying to figure out how one gets to the back section of the 3rd floor in the 'winnie mae'... perhaps there's an attic-style access hatch?

I asked them this. The plan you see online has been updated and the updated plan clearly shows the access. You can get that plan at their office. The guy told me the initially almost didn't include it in the plan you are seeing because they knew they would get a lot of questions and they hadn't yet finalized what they were going to be doing with that space. In the end, they kept it on the brochure to show people the space will ultimately be usable.

I asked them this. The plan you see online has been updated and the updated plan clearly shows the access. You can get that plan at their office. The guy told me the initially almost didn't include it in the plan you are seeing because they knew they would get a lot of questions and they hadn't yet finalized what they were going to be doing with that space. In the end, they kept it on the brochure to show people the space will ultimately be usable.

i sent a message to the wheeler folks earlier today and was told it served as a non-conditioned mechanical closet with access via 30"x30" hatch for maintenance access.

Sales are outpacing expectations, and the original pricing was done in November, so it's not surprising to see an adjustment in pricing. Commodity prices vary over time, and with oil and the economy overall picking back up, some construction material costs are bound to rise.

Sales are outpacing expectations, and the original pricing was done in November, so it's not surprising to see an adjustment in pricing. Commodity prices vary over time, and with oil and the economy overall picking back up, some construction material costs are bound to rise.

Steele and Aluminum Tariffs wont help either.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/wheeler061218a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/wheeler061218b.jpg

Does anyone have a map of how Wheeler wants to draw up its community school?

Pete, any news or any new drone shots of this area?

I believe they are still in a holding pattern.

You can see in my last drone shot that there was no construction equipment on site.

I believe they are still in a holding pattern.

You can see in my last drone shot that there was no construction equipment on site.
Any reason for the holding pattern?

Would also like to know what the hold up is. Wheeler Home is pretty quite about the delays. More information would be nice.

Probably delaying so they can raise prices one more time before actually building anything....

A lot of time it’s about the financing. Once you’ve received millions of dollars with a set time before the note payments are due, you get your *ss in gear.

I'm also willing to bet Trump's idiotic tariffs are making it more complicated and expensive to supply materials and that's not helping with delays.

Probably delaying so they can raise prices one more time before actually building anything....

Now, to be fair, there does appear to be a sewer line.

I asked Blair Humphreys about work at the Wheeler District and this was his reply:

"Construction is on-going. These past few weeks we have been coordinating utility installation, which has to be largely completed before we continue paving. Home starts will begin while paving is completed over the next few months. The 12 cottages cleared Wheeler District Design Committee last week, and should have building permits issued this week. You'll see foundations poured in the coming weeks."

Zoomed in on that drone shot. You think they’re going to have some drainage issues? I’m also curious of the fate of the pumpjacks, they really tie the room together, dude.

Be aware if you are buying here.

What has the Wheeler District done with concern for flooding, especially the 0.2% annual chance (aka 500 year flood)?

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1837/42262945540_c9412ee2ab_o.png (https://flic.kr/p/27oCDhQ)
Wheeler District Flood Map (https://flic.kr/p/27oCDhQ) by lazio85 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/77483833@N04/), on Flickr

How much water can the dam release per minute? :D

How much water can the dam release per minute? :D

Will Rogers World Airport experienced a 25 year rainfall Tuesday.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1793/30208718568_83459977b8_o.png (https://flic.kr/p/N2rzzj)
OK 25 Year 6 Hour Rainfall (https://flic.kr/p/N2rzzj) by lazio85 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/77483833@N04/), on Flickr

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/wheeler082518.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/wheeler082518.jpg

Fascinating!

Definitely the 1st time you can actually get an idea of the scale of this project. And if this doesn't excite urbanists, not sure what will: you'd struggle to fit more than two people shoulder to shoulder between those houses...and my understanding is this is the least dense part of the development as it's on the outskirts of the "town center".

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Fascinating!

Definitely the 1st time you can actually get an idea of the scale of this project. And if this doesn't excite urbanists, not sure what will: you'd struggle to fit more than two people shoulder to shoulder between those houses...and my understanding is this is the least dense part of the development as it's on the outskirts of the "town center".

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I'm not sure I've ever seen housing going up before the streets and infrastructure is complete.

Not sure I want to be this close to my neighbors. I'm sure some don't care though. Not me I'll pass.

I'm not sure I've ever seen housing going up before the streets and infrastructure is complete.

I wonder they're wanting to create "model" homes.

Not sure I want to be this close to my neighbors. I'm sure some don't care though. Not me I'll pass.

It isn’t suburban neighborhood spacing but it isn’t much different than most of the historic neighborhoods around downtown and wider than any of the deep deuce for sale housing.

Is the remaining part of the air park where the OCPD hangar is eventually going to be developed? And in regards to the previous comments, yeah, this will be one of the densest parts of the city when it's developed. I wish the time table wasn't 20 years though.

Those look so tiny. I know they will look better once more are built around and you don't see the vast open land around them, but dang they look cramped.

Those look so tiny. I know they will look better once more are built around and you don't see the vast open land around them, but dang they look cramped.

Remember, those three you see in the picture *are* their tiny homes, starting at approximately 675 sq.ft. The largest is 900 sq. ft. In this part of the build, I believe there will be 12 of them total. These are not the larger "Runway" homes.

Remember, those three you see in the picture *are* their tiny homes, starting at approximately 675 sq.ft. In this part of the build, I believe there will be 12 of them total. These are not the larger "Runway" homes.

Ah, that puts them in a better perspective... Haha, I was just going back to look at the plans and I knew those plans were for larger homes.

Will the 12 all be huddled together here?

I thought they were going to leverage the runways as streets somehow and that that's why they kept their alignment with the runways. With that not being the case I'm not sure why they chose to maintain that alignment.

What are going to be the cost. And I understand. It's no different than deep deuce and what going around the jones assembly. It's like a condo, town home place is how I look at it and if I'm going to pay for a home I guess I would want a little more space. Renting and buying are two different things.

I thought they were going to leverage the runways as streets somehow and that that's why they kept their alignment with the runways. With that not being the case I'm not sure why they chose to maintain that alignment.

How do you mean (the italicized part)? They haven't changed the arrangement that I'm aware of.

Even though the runway has been excavated they appear to be aligning construction with the old runway alignment. That's a neat thing to do in some ways, especially if you're somehow maintianing some infrastructure from the airport, but if you're starting truly from scratch then probably just go back to the grid.