Seems only fair. Although I actually love both towns, I love them for their uniqueness. One thing I don't want to see imported from Norman to Edmond is the attitude that there is nothing outside of Edmond (Norman) that is worthwhile. A friend who lives in Norman says "I try never to leave Norman", meaning he hates dealing with OKC or any other place that isn't Norman.

I also don't like the rowdy side of the party atmosphere there. Partying in Edmond is mostly in a couple of bars and in private homes. It is in the street in Norman. Like Jenkins, Lindsay, Boyd. The dumb people there will walk right out in front of a moving vehicle. I know pedestrians have the right of way, but c'mon. Be un-stupid, OK?

Most Norman folk don't dislike OKC at all, nor many other places in the state. On the other hand, we don't tend to fret much about staying in town either. Plenty to do, with lots more nearby whenever a desire for a change of pace does arise.

Well Norman is kinda of this college town type place, might have forgotten that part.

As far as hating OKC? Not at all. I personally don't have many needs that take me to the city, so why bother? Everything that I want to do is roughly in Norman or Moore...no need to go farther north. Of course you know your friend more than any of us, but I would say most of us that take this line don't hate OKC or any other place. There just isn't a need that forces us to go farther to get (or do) something we can hear. I will say this...distance and travel time do play a factor in this. OKC is so spread out, heck all the area cities are, that I really have no desire to drive an hour to the north side to get something I can here or just order online.

Now...if there was a very frequently running light rail service from Norman to the city, I would probably be up there more.

Like in a previous post, the whole dont knorman my edmond thing is just a refelction on 2 different communities and how they want their town to be viewed. Its funny to call any town in oklahoma "liberal", but norman is as close at it will ever come too that. You see some weird people in norman especially closer to campus, they have unique shops and eateries around the campus corner area. If your looking for all that in edmond, good luck to you. Edmond is a conservative family town period, and they dont want it to be anything else but that. Edmond does have a pretty decent size college in uco but its no where close to an atmosphere you would get from ou. Most would consider it a commuter school by leaps and bounds. Edmond dosent want to be norman, and norman dosent want to be edmond so there ya go

It is what it is, right?

Personally from someone that doesn't live in either town. Edmond had character with the hills and the trees, not anymore.

Norman still has character and if they continue to have Main Street thrive as well as campus corner it will only get better!

If only the other suburbs could embrace their character.

Yukon has potential with its farming heritage and awesome grain elevators.

Now...if there was a very frequently running light rail service from Norman to the city, I would probably be up there more.

while not exactly a rail service, amtrak does run from norman to okc and vice versa.

I think it's more likely that we will Edmonize Norman. As more money flows into people's pockets and the economy recovers, more people with money will be looking for quiet suburb living and Norman is a perfect place for this. As that money gets into the economy, more business will spring up, larger homes, more of everything.....IMO it will seem much more like Edmond as time goes on.

When I lived in Norman, I tried to never leave...even though I worked in NW OKC so I actually left everyday. On weekends, I refused to leave simply because I loved the pace of Norman and some of their unique shops. This didn't have anything to do with not liking OKC but had more to do with loving the Norman pace of life.

However with all my friends in far NW OKC, this became more and more difficult and I eventually moved back to NW OKC. I still miss those lazy days in Norman tho.

while not exactly a rail service, amtrak does run from norman to okc and vice versa.

Only if you wanna visit Norman at about 8:45 am and hang out for the day until late thirty to catch the Heartland back home. If you're in Norman, heading to OKC at late thirty and then back out and alert early enough to return to Norman at 8:45 the next morning is ok for an all nighter card house or maybe a graveyard shift very near the station, but not so much for anything else.

However, if what I do or enjoy were a better mesh with the AT schedule, I'd certainly consider it for my transport. No sooner express bus at night or weekends is another bit of a bore. I know many razz it, but I've used the express between N and OKC, and would more often if it better met my needs.

Personally from someone that doesn't live in either town. Edmond had character with the hills and the trees, not anymore.

Norman still has character and if they continue to have Main Street thrive as well as campus corner it will only get better!

If only the other suburbs could embrace their character.

Yukon has potential with its farming heritage and awesome grain elevators.

I'm pretty sure the hills are still there. :rolleyes:

North and east Edmond still have plenty of trees and beautiful scenery.

At least until the next Walmart goes in...

At least until the next Walmart goes in...

Touche.

Well Norman is kinda of this college town type place, might have forgotten that part.



Maybe you didn't know that Edmond is also a college town...

Maybe you didn't know that Edmond is also a college town...

There's a college in Edmond.

Having a college in your town doesn't make it a "college town".

Edmond is *not* a college town..

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here: "A college town or university town is a community (often literally a town, but possibly a small or medium sized city, or in some cases a neighborhood or a district of a city) which is dominated by its university population. The university may be large, or there may be several smaller institutions such as liberal arts colleges clustered, or the residential population may be small, but college towns in all cases are so dubbed because the presence of the educational institution(s) pervades economic and social life. Many local residents may be employed by the university - which may be the largest employer in the community, many businesses cater primarily to the university, and the students' population may outnumber the local population."

Edmond's economy relies on UCO and OCU. It is a college town but on a much smaller scale than Stillwater and Norman.

I don't consider Norman a "college town" anymore, I don't consider Austin or Columbus, Ohio "college towns". They are cities with a large college in them.

Edmond's economy relies on UCO and OCU. It is a college town but on a much smaller scale than Stillwater and Norman.

Psst - It's OC, not OCU (sorry but if you are from Edmond, you should know that.)

I don't consider Norman a "college town" anymore, I don't consider Austin or Columbus, Ohio "college towns". They are cities with a large college in them.

visit norman in the summer and you will undoubtedly get the feeling it is a college town, especially with all the students from texas.

It's not the same Norman as when I went to school there, it became more of a "OKC burb" not too long after I was there. Sure the immediate campus area has less traffic, the Drag here in Austin is a bit slower during the summer but it still doesn't mean Austin is a college town. The rest of Austin is still just as busy as always.

To me a "college town" is one where if the college closed the town would figuratively dry up and blow away, Norman wouldn't go away if the school closed. Heck, places like Stillwater or College Station wouldn't do that anymore. There just aren't as many "college towns" as there used to be.

I disagree. Stillwater would be a small city without OSU imo. Norman would decline but not as severe just due to the metro.

Anyway for people to say "dont norman my edmond" is really confusing to me. I live in Edmond and I dont think they can even compare to Norman (dont kid yourselves). My opinion is just a laxed look at culture(both are reletively weak, Edmond lagging behind Norman), People friendly ( pros and cons either way), and overall lifestyle which to me edmond is a lame duck.

But to each his own.

There's a college in Edmond.

Having a college in your town doesn't make it a "college town".

Edmond is *not* a college town..

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here: "A college town or university town is a community (often literally a town, but possibly a small or medium sized city, or in some cases a neighborhood or a district of a city) which is dominated by its university population. The university may be large, or there may be several smaller institutions such as liberal arts colleges clustered, or the residential population may be small, but college towns in all cases are so dubbed because the presence of the educational institution(s) pervades economic and social life. Many local residents may be employed by the university - which may be the largest employer in the community, many businesses cater primarily to the university, and the students' population may outnumber the local population."

This is not a "choose your definition" thread. Edmond has two colleges, so it is definitely a "college town".

I have lived in Norman for many years but I still think Edmond is a great city...I think both cities are great !!!

bluedogok, lol you been watching to many 80's movies. Norman and Austin are both college towns. If you got a huge university population your a college town. I lived in austin for 6 yrs and the heartbeat of that whole dang city is "Longhorns". UT signs everywhere, longhorn sports on the tv, turn on the radio and they talk longhorn sports and have longhorn watch partys. Longhorn flags fly everywhere in that town, sure its a huge city of almost 1.5 million, but the whole city bleeds lives for longhorns. Ask anyone around the country about austin and they will tell you, oh yea that where ut- austin is lol. Same with norman, the whole town bleeds "ou". bluedogok quit watching those 80's college movies its 2010, you dont have to be out in the wilderness 60 miles from civilization to be considered a college town.

It's not the same Norman as when I went to school there, it became more of a "OKC burb" not too long after I was there. Sure the immediate campus area has less traffic, the Drag here in Austin is a bit slower during the summer but it still doesn't mean Austin is a college town. The rest of Austin is still just as busy as always.

To me a "college town" is one where if the college closed the town would figuratively dry up and blow away, Norman wouldn't go away if the school closed. Heck, places like Stillwater or College Station wouldn't do that anymore. There just aren't as many "college towns" as there used to be.
Yep, which is exactly why I said it's more likely that we'll Edmonize Norman....which already seems to be happening.

However Norman does still have that college town feel to it. Perhaps its because of all the ****ty housing. heh

yea kinda, you definitly have zero college town fell in edmond, sure they have uco and ocu but that town has absolutly no care for either one of those schools. Most of their students dont live in edmond and no one supports uco sports in edmond. Norman you truely feel the college atmosphere, simply becuase students come from all over the country to go to ou and they live for the most part in norman

Yeah, Norman embraces their college sports. Have you been to the women's softball games. It is packed! They can't even get that many people to UCO football games.

bluedogok, lol you been watching to many 80's movies. Norman and Austin are both college towns. If you got a huge university population your a college town. I lived in austin for 6 yrs and the heartbeat of that whole dang city is "Longhorns". UT signs everywhere, longhorn sports on the tv, turn on the radio and they talk longhorn sports and have longhorn watch partys. Longhorn flags fly everywhere in that town, sure its a huge city of almost 1.5 million, but the whole city bleeds lives for longhorns. Ask anyone around the country about austin and they will tell you, oh yea that where ut- austin is lol. Same with norman, the whole town bleeds "ou". bluedogok quit watching those 80's college movies its 2010, you dont have to be out in the wilderness 60 miles from civilization to be considered a college town.
I have lived in South Austin for seven years, except for the media here I can go days without being confronted by "Longhorn" stuff, maybe that is because I rarely go by The Drag. The rest of Austin outside of the 40 Acres/West Campus area is about as "Whorn-centric" as OKC is OU/OSU centric which to me is not "college town".

As of Friday we will have no UT alum working in our architecture office, in fact we will only have one graduate of a Texas school in the office and that was Texas State. For as large of a school as it is you think there would be more grads around but I would say only about a 25% of the people that I know here have UT connections, everyone else is from somewhere else and that is why Austin is much different than it used to be, all of us that have moved here in the past 15 years have diluted the Whorn hold on Austin, my wife has noticed the change since she moved here about 20 years ago from West Texas...I know more Aggies that live here than Whorns. The guy across the street has Longhorn watch parties, along with Cubs/Bears watch parties, he mostly grew up in Chicago and the family moved here when he was 16 but for the most part he is more of a sports fan than just a Whorn fan. I also know of some guys who get together for LSU watch parties, it has amazed me how many other OU people that I run into down here.

Of course if you all you do is read The Statesman or watch the local Whorn sports reports then I could see why you think Austin is immersed in Whorn love...but it doesn't exist like it once did. Sure you see a lot of people wearing Whorn t-shirts, you can get them 4 for $20 at Walgreens so they are popular down here in Bubbaland (South Austin).

Norman > Edmond...

Norman > Edmond...

Norman != Edmond

You can't really compare - I don't mind that Edmond isn't like Norman and sounds like you don't mind that Norman isn't like Edmond - enough said.

Norman > Edmond...

Edmond=people who think they are better than you

Norman=smug, arrogant douchebags who have to tell everyone how great they are every 3 seconds

Pick your poison.

Edmond=people who think they are better than you

Norman=smug, arrogant douchebags who have to tell everyone how great they are every 3 seconds

Pick your poison.


Try living in california... I'd take Edmond and Norman any day... as for douchebags? Arent most suburbs full of them?

At least people in Norman arent slamming their gas pedals anytime they have more than 6 inches between them and the next car... The stay at home moms in Edmond is what puts it far behind Norman IMO... lol I have some weird views I know....

Edmond=people who think they are better than you

Norman=smug, arrogant douchebags who have to tell everyone how great they are every 3 seconds

Pick your poison.

Hmm...I sense more hostility towards Norman. I wonder which you favor? :-P

Edmond=people who think they are better than you

Norman=smug, arrogant douchebags who have to tell everyone how great they are every 3 seconds

Pick your poison.

td25er=someone that wishes he could live in Edmond or Norman

eh, Norman isnt snobby. they are just boastful about their sooners. Edmond is beyond snobby, they all need an aluminum baseball bat shoved up their ass, but Norman is cool with me.

Odd - I thought that this part of the board was more to talk about Edmond and local events and such as opposed to holding a snobbiest suburb competition...I'm sorry that there isn't more activity that this kind of crap going on in here.

Growing up in Edmond, I didn't find folks snobby at all. Was a great place to be as a kid.

I can see how folks with inferiority issues might have a problem there, but did I see any outwardly snobby activity on the part of kids with money? Not really. Even in high school, I wasn't really aware of who had money and who didn't (and I was definitely a "have.")

That said, I think Edmond is a community which has focused for probably the last 30-40 years on being a place to raise smaller kids. Trouble was that the city seems to pretend that folks just vaporize between the ages of 13-35. As a teenager growing up there, I can attest that most of my social life centered around NW and central OKC rather than my own hometown. Still does.

At least people in Norman arent slamming their gas pedals anytime they have more than 6 inches between them and the next car...

The nightmare that Norman traffic has become grows day by day.... :(

Have you tried switching from a defensive driver to an offensive driver? worked for me heh

The nightmare that Norman traffic has become grows day by day.... :(

Edmond traffic has become a nightmare. Pretty much like Norman. They had a chance back in the '70s to adopt an "outer loop" to handle traffice but didn't. Now it is too late.

td25er=someone that wishes he could live in Edmond or Norman

Well I guess my wish came true when I was like 4 months old.

Hmm...I sense more hostility towards Norman. I wonder which you favor? :-P

:wink:

Growing up in Edmond, I didn't find folks snobby at all. Was a great place to be as a kid.

I can see how folks with inferiority issues might have a problem there, but did I see any outwardly snobby activity on the part of kids with money? Not really. Even in high school, I wasn't really aware of who had money and who didn't (and I was definitely a "have.")

That said, I think Edmond is a community which has focused for probably the last 30-40 years on being a place to raise smaller kids. Trouble was that the city seems to pretend that folks just vaporize between the ages of 13-35. As a teenager growing up there, I can attest that most of my social life centered around NW and central OKC rather than my own hometown. Still does.

I pretty much agree with this entire post. The only thing is I could tell who had money, but it didn't matter b/c everyone was cool.

Everybody thinks every neighborhood in Edmond is Oak Tree. 90% of Edmond is normal people living in normal houses....just like 90% of the OKC metro. Boring people talk about how boring Edmond is.

Edmond traffic has become a nightmare. Pretty much like Norman. They had a chance back in the '70s to adopt an "outer loop" to handle traffice but didn't. Now it is too late.

oh dear gawd,...NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....not an outer loop in edmond,..for heavens sake,..there cant be anything within close proximity of edmond city limits that would dare to depreciate the overall precious values of homes there.

oh those precious tender home values.

be gone you evil new highway construction, with your lures of bringing more traffic to edmond, big box shopping centers, and oversized walmarts & targets.

Everybody thinks every neighborhood in Edmond is Oak Tree. 90% of Edmond is normal people living in normal houses....just like 90% of the OKC metro. Boring people talk about how boring Edmond is.

even with that being said,.the "average" home in edmond is gonna be nicer than the same class, size house "average" house anywhere else in the metro.

you will pay more for a 2 car, 4 bed "average" home that was built in said decade (choose one) in edmond than you will in any other part of the metro.

its why there are realty offices on every corner block in edmond. people are willing to shell out more for nicer things. youll pay more, but get nicer, because when a realty office is racist and does its best to not sell to people of undesirable ethnicities, it makes a city much more desirable to live in.

what is edmond? 96.9% caucasian?

there are nice parts and bad parts in every major city around the country. so just because some parts are nicer and have more white people that city is racist? Do you know how dumb you sound?

I live and work in edmond and my neighborhood has all types of ethnic backgrounds. As well as some friends neighborhoods. Think before you speak because you sound like a fool.

even with that being said,.the "average" home in edmond is gonna be nicer than the same class, size house "average" house anywhere else in the metro.

you will pay more for a 2 car, 4 bed "average" home that was built in said decade (choose one) in edmond than you will in any other part of the metro.

its why there are realty offices on every corner block in edmond. people are willing to shell out more for nicer things. youll pay more, but get nicer, because when a realty office is racist and does its best to not sell to people of undesirable ethnicities, it makes a city much more desirable to live in.

what is edmond? 96.9% caucasian?

2000 census, so take with a grain of salt:

Edmond: 86.58% White, 4.04% African American, 2.27% Native American, 3.26% Asian, 0.08% Pacific Islander, 0.90% from other races, and 2.87% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.75%

Norman: 82.36% White, 4.26% African American, 4.45% Native American, 3.49% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 1.37% from other races, and 4.01% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.89%

Moore: 84.63% White, 2.92% Black, 4.14% Native American, 1.62% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 1.75% from other races, and 4.89% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.10% of the population.

Yukon: 90.93% White, 0.36% African American, 2.68% Native American, 1.87% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 1.22% from other races, and 2.41% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.01%

Del City: 74.24% White, 14.04% African American, 4.26% Native American, 1.58% Asian, 0.11% Pacific Islander, 1.83% from other races, and 3.95% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 4.71%

Shawnee: 77.03% White, 4.06% African American, 12.82% Native American, 0.95% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 0.72% from other races, and 4.37% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.72%

Midwest City: 69.46% White, 19.55% African American, 3.49% Native American, 1.65% Asian, 0.12% Pacific Islander, 1.54% from other races, and 4.19% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 4.05%

Nichols Hills: 93.66% White, 0.42% African American, 1.38% Native American, 1.95% Asian, 0.59% from other races, and 2.00% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.36%

The Village: 80.19% White, 10.47% African American, 2.54% Native American, 1.91% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 1.13% from other races, and 3.73% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.77%

Deer Creek: 86.39% White, 6.80% Native American, 4.76% from other races, and 2.04% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.12%

Mustang: 91.63% White, 0.59% African American, 3.33% Native American, 0.50% Asian, 0.09% Pacific Islander, 0.78% from other races, and 3.08% from two or more races. 3.01% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

td25er, I'm not sure decepticobra wants any facts to get in the way of his beliefs...

You're right on with Edmond being pretty average. The few nice hoods here make everyone think they live in the hills sheesh. Just stroll down the the DFW and look at lewisville or carol and ya might get a level head.