The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

land slide lol

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

do you know that CNI has been looking at this option? this is the first i have heard about that as a possibility

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

So now we are continuing to expect the nation we overran to bail the citizens out? How ironic.

THE UNP arena is still very much a possibility

If it doesn't happen, OUs basketball programs will die. Simple as that. Not literally, but figuratively, they will be dead. No one will care or want to go. No coach worth their salt will want to work for a school in a community that doesn't care about their success.

land slide lol

Generally 61%-35% is considered a landslide, yes.

So now we are continuing to expect the nation we overran to bail the citizens out? How ironic.

LOL. Was any of OU’s campus ever part of the Chickasaw Nation? (The answer is no).

The tribes have made a ton of money in Oklahoma over the last few decades and have benefited from assisting in projects (see FAM + Okana). If they want to give back by helping on this or are being compensated in other ways (like being given land similar to the FAM situation…the likely scenario) then power to them. No one would be forcing this on them.

And who is the “We” that overran them? The US government 5-6 generations ago (that just recently returned to them more autonomy over their nations in the McGirt Ruling)?

Just a dumb comment.

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.

Man, I hope you're right Jersey. A new facility on the current LNC location would be absolutely ideal as the UNP arena idea is so unappealing for a myriad of reasons. Is this legit or just your opinion?

Generally 61%-35% is considered a landslide, yes.

i was speaking to the 800 votes in the council seat election ..

The mayor and ward 1 CM Bell were both yes votes on the TIF and both were tossed out at the ballot box tonight in a landslide.
Look for the Chickasaw nation to partner with OU to build a new facility where the LNC is presently located.
Now we wait to see if a new entertainment district goes at UNP or if it becomes more strip malls at a later date (I am sure if it goes to a vote and is denied there will still be a entertainment district to a extent. It just won't feature the arena or the residential/office space. I think the National Weather Museum might still move at some point but I think it would be mainly strip malls with more corporate entities if it gets denied. As for Holman winning I think the biggest factor is the fact the now former mayor was against the homeless shelters being funded by the city. Not standing for the TIF or the Turnpike.

Also if the Chickasaw nation gets involved on the arena. They should make Jenkins Ave go over the river and put the arena on the southern side of the river. If it gets to the point where the Chickasaw nation has to get involved for it to be built. Norman doesn't deserve to benefit from any of the tax cuts from it. If anyone complains. They need to tell them to be careful for what they vote for

Also if the Chickasaw nation gets involved on the arena. They should make Jenkins Ave go over the river and put the arena on the southern side of the river. If it gets to the point where the Chickasaw nation has to get involved for it to be built. Norman doesn't deserve to benefit from any of the tax cuts from it. If anyone complains. They need to tell them to be careful for what they vote for

lots of land near riverwind .. and that is not in norman city limits ..

Generally 61%-35% is considered a landslide, yes.

Always is, just like the ward 1 election was 65%-24%
800 votes to 294. As most know there is no min number of total of votes cast when determining a whooping.

lots of land near riverwind .. and that is not in norman city limits ..

Sheesh, last thing we need as a new SEC member is to play in an arena not only off campus, but to possibly do so on casino grounds of all places is too rich. We're already getting roasted by other SEC fans over the UNP idea enough as it is.

Sheesh, last thing we need as a new SEC member is to play in an arena not only off campus, but to possibly do so on casino grounds of all places is too rich. We're already getting roasted by other SEC fans over the UNP idea enough as it is.

yeah sec fans "roasting" OU over the UNP arena is not a thing

Hahaha, 6100 signatures were needed to get this on the ballot. That's it. How many people do you think actually vote, and how many will on a random Tuesday in February?

18,452 voters came out for this vote, *without* the TIF formally on the ballot. Impressive.

yeah sec fans "roasting" OU over the UNP arena is not a thing

The idea that we're considering playing in an off campus arena 10 mins from campus is absolutely head scratcher for some. Not like it's a big topic, but read a couple of SEC message boards where it was touched on and it was laughed at. If it were to move to a casino, I personally wouldn't hear the end of it from the SEC fans I'm surrounded by here in Arkansas. We're not in the Big 12 anymore. This conference is VERY facility-centric. It's a point of pride to the programs and fan bases. Fact is we came into the conference with already the worst arena, baseball facilities and tailgating (which is another story for another day) aswell as tepid fan support to most sports outside of football and softball. The perception isn't great. BTW, outside of Louisville, we would be the only group of 4 program that doesn't play in an on-campus facility.

yeah sec fans "roasting" OU over the UNP arena is not a thing

The idea that we're considering playing in an off campus arena 10 mins from campus is absolutely head scratcher for some. Not like it's a big topic, but read a couple of SEC message boards where it was touched on and it was laughed at. If it were to move to a casino, I personally wouldn't hear the end of it from the SEC fans I'm surrounded by here in Arkansas. We're not in the Big 12 anymore. This conference is VERY facility-centric. It's a point of pride to the programs and fan bases. Fact is we came into the conference with already the worst arena, baseball facilities and tailgating (which is another story for another day) aswell as tepid fan support to most sports outside of football and softball. The perception isn't great. BTW, outside of Louisville, we would be the only group of 4 program that doesn't play in an on-campus facility.

The idea that we're considering playing in an off campus arena 10 mins from campus is absolutely head scratcher for some. Not like it's a big topic, but read a couple of SEC message boards where it was touched on and it was laughed at. If it were to move to a casino, I personally wouldn't hear the end of it from the SEC fans I'm surrounded by here in Arkansas. We're not in the Big 12 anymore. This conference is VERY facility-centric. It's a point of pride to the programs and fan bases. Fact is we came into the conference with already the worst arena, baseball facilities and tailgating (which is another story for another day) aswell as tepid fan support to most sports outside of football and softball. The perception isn't great. BTW, outside of Louisville, we would be the only group of 4 program that doesn't play in an on-campus facility.

OU 1000% does NOT have the worst tailgating in the SEC .. not even close ..

I have been to a game at every single SEC venue except arkansas texas and south carolina (that will change next season) and lots of them multiple times


OU would not even be the only SEC school to not play on campus .. hello kentucky ..

LOL. Was any of OU’s campus ever part of the Chickasaw Nation? (The answer is no).

The tribes have made a ton of money in Oklahoma over the last few decades and have benefited from assisting in projects (see FAM + Okana). If they want to give back by helping on this or are being compensated in other ways (like being given land similar to the FAM situation…the likely scenario) then power to them. No one would be forcing this on them.

And who is the “We” that overran them? The US government 5-6 generations ago (that just recently returned to them more autonomy over their nations in the McGirt Ruling)?

Just a dumb comment.

LOL.. Whitewashing what was done doesn't change it. And I said it would be IRONY. No one said anything about forcing them to do anything. At least they now have some freedom to make their own decisions about whether to engage or not. As to them "giving back"... lol. They may just trying to get back to even. More power to them.

That said, I don't think we have seen anything but some internet suggestion with no attributable sources (or even un-attributable) that they will bail out the state again by underwriting what Norman isn't willing to.

Man, I hope you're right Jersey. A new facility on the current LNC location would be absolutely ideal as the UNP arena idea is so unappealing for a myriad of reasons. Is this legit or just your opinion?
An opinion formed when told of the possibility by OU connected administrative staff.
As mentioned in another post it would be land transfered like the FAM. It was told that with baseball, softball, and the golf course being close to the LNC it would be a natural fit. There would be baggage putting it by a casino

An opinion formed when told of the possibility by OU connected administrative staff.
As mentioned in another post it would be land transfered like the FAM. It was mentioned that with baseball, softball, and golf course being close to the LNC it would be a natural fit. There would be baggage putting it by a casino

A fit, except for the fans.

Failing to see any synergy between a baseball or softball game and a basketball game, or a round of golf. Proximity is not synergy. There is no leveraging one for the benefit of another. Now, if they were to build a large entertainment area around them all with shops, restaurants, etc., maybe all would benefit. Oh wait.... Norman doesn't want that. It would rather attract 50 audience members from Purcell than 5,000 from OKC and Moore.

A fit, except for the fans.

OU and Norman development patterns make the current LNC location more and more appealing with each passing year.

LOL.. Whitewashing what was done doesn't change it. And I said it would be IRONY. No one said anything about forcing them to do anything. At least they now have some freedom to make their own decisions about whether to engage or not. As to them "giving back"... lol. They may just trying to get back to even. More power to them.

That said, I don't think we have seen anything but some internet suggestion with no attributable sources (or even un-attributable) that they will bail out the state again by underwriting what Norman isn't willing to.

more dumb crap per usual 😂

more dumb crap per usual 😂

In other words, you don't have a defense that doesn't sound made up or political.

In other words, you don't have a defense that doesn't sound made up or political.

In other words…you responded stupidly to my response to your initial stupid post.

I don't think it would be just an arena. The south side of Norman along HWY 9 extending from Jenkins Avenue to 48th Avenue SE is poised for significant development growth over the next 5 years. Several projects approved, several more to come. With the west side being almost tapped out (restrictions on development density and the floodplain), this is the new growth area--along with northeast Norman. Restaurants and retail ("Entertainment District") would do well here and, as mentioned, complement the plethora of almost year 'round sporting events within a very small radius--OU and summer camps, etc.

If it doesn't happen, OUs basketball programs will die. Simple as that. Not literally, but figuratively, they will be dead. No one will care or want to go. No coach worth their salt will want to work for a school in a community that doesn't care about their success.

some would argue it's already dead.

And I don't think it would be just an arena. The south side of Norman along HWY 9 extending from Jenkins Avenue to 48th Avenue SE is poised for significant development growth over the next 5 years. Several projects approved, several more to come. With the west side being almost tapped out (restrictions on development density and the floodplain), this is the new growth area--along with northeast Norman. Restaurants and retail ("Entertainment District") would do well here and, as mentioned, complement the plethora of almost year 'round sporting events within a very small radius--OU and summer camps, etc.

At this point, any replacement for LNC thats in or around Norman is the best answer.

OU and Norman development patterns make the current LNC location more and more appealing with each passing year.

not remotely ..

the majority of OU basketball ticket holders (and fan base live well north of Norman

Move all LNC activities to McCasland Field House for a year and see how that goes. During that time, demo LNC with plans on building a new facility there, if McCasland doesn't work (need a bigger arena).

Move all LNC activities to McCasland Field House for a year and see how that goes. During that time, demo LNC with plans on building a new facility there, if McCasland doesn't work (need a bigger arena).

McCasland in its current state is unworkable as a basketball facility, there’s a reason OU only plays one game per year there. They’d either build the new arena in a corner of the current LNC parking lot, or on the south side of GT Blankenship Boulevard.

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An opinion formed when told of the possibility by OU connected administrative staff.
As mentioned in another post it would be land transfered like the FAM. It was told that with baseball, softball, and the golf course being close to the LNC it would be a natural fit. There would be baggage putting it by a casino

Pardon my ignorance, but what is meant by FAM? So you're saying the casino would take possession of the LNC land in exchange for a new facility that would house OU sports? Above my paygrade I guess.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is meant by FAM? So you're saying the casino would take possession of the LNC land in exchange for a new facility that would house OU sports? Above my paygrade I guess.

First Americans Museum. I believe the land was given to CNI so they would bail out the museum and in return got the land to develop Okana. Others more knowledgeable can verify this, but that's what I remember.

Move all LNC activities to McCasland Field House for a year and see how that goes. During that time, demo LNC with plans on building a new facility there, if McCasland doesn't work (need a bigger arena).

there are more season tickets holders then seats in mccasland holds ..

First Americans Museum. I believe the land was given to CNI so they would bail out the museum and in return got the land to develop Okana. Others more knowledgeable can verify this, but that's what I remember.

Basically correct.

McCasland in its current state is unworkable as a basketball facility, there’s a reason OU only plays one game per year there. They’d either build the new arena in a corner of the current LNC parking lot, or on the south side of GT Blankenship Boulevard.

Why can they play one game there, but not more? That's a figment of your imagination. It may not be a long-term solution, but it CAN work for the short-term. Proof, it worked in the past.

there are more season tickets holders then seats in mccasland holds ..

Just think, we could have sell-outs with a full arena, not empty seats everywhere! Have a season ticket lottery until a more permanent solution arrives. Higher ticket prices to somewhat compensate (supply and demand).

Why can they play one game there, but not more? That's a figment of your imagination. It may not be a long-term solution, but it CAN work for the short-term. Proof, it worked in the past.

the field house game last year was ONLY students ... this year it was students and a very select few donors ..

There is not a chance in Hades that the Chickasaw tribe will build an arena in Norman.

the field house game last year was ONLY students ... this year it was students and a very select few donors ..

I still fail to see your point. The average attendance through 13 games this season is 6,576. The current capacity is of McCasland is 5,000. Put some students courtside, attendance is only down 1,000 people or so... but it looks packed.

Remember, the entire point of this entire thread is that not many people go to the games now anyway (and LNC is old and outdated). Then you can build a brand new facility where the LNC is now. If you want to move it somewhere else and want to accommodate as many people as possible (focusing on the OKC crowd), rent out the Paycom Center (with a 18,023 capacity)... scheduling around the Thunder, of course.

THE UNP arena is still very much a possibility

OU MBB winning the SEC post season tourney is still a possibility. Like the arena proposal not a probability

I don't think it would be just an arena. The south side of Norman along HWY 9 extending from Jenkins Avenue to 48th Avenue SE is poised for significant development growth over the next 5 years. Several projects approved, several more to come. With the west side being almost tapped out (restrictions on development density and the floodplain), this is the new growth area--along with northeast Norman. Restaurants and retail ("Entertainment District") would do well here and, as mentioned, complement the plethora of almost year 'round sporting events within a very small radius--OU and summer camps, etc.

This

lots of land near riverwind .. and that is not in norman city limits ..

It doesn't technically have to be over by riverwind. I was thinking maybe they build a bridge over the Canadian river on Jenkins. It would turn into Ladd avenue on the other side of the river. I would say put it on Center and Ladd. Best of all it would only be three miles from the current Lloyd Noble Center. Better than the six miles it would be near riverwind and 8 miles over in UNP

It doesn't technically have to be over by riverwind. I was thinking maybe they build a bridge over the Canadian river on Jenkins. It would turn into Ladd avenue on the other side of the river. I would say put it on Center and Ladd. Best of all it would only be three miles from the current Lloyd Noble Center. Better than the six miles it would be near riverwind and 8 miles over in UNP

next to I35 is a better location .. even south of the river

Boyd & Jenkins
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNBnTC9iLRmFlGsd1RHByZN4jN0VLDwQUotsLFx

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipP5bM-0ej0VuwlXlKIzFrSiHMmqBbVHVQH2CWmC

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And barely 1,000 attendance for the game this year. Capacity was 5,000 when built decades ago but only about 4,000 currently. McCasland provides only a regulation basketball court.

Given the fact OU is very poor, they won't buyout Moser, so it may not matter.

Given the fact OU is very poor, they won't buyout Moser, so it may not matter.

OU will have to move on from Moser after this season, it’ll be too expensive not to. Attendance is already cratering as people now recognize that last year’s meltdown wasn’t an anomaly. If Porter comes back for year five after single-handedly leading OU to their longest tourney drought in the modern era, this fanbase will reach never before seen levels of apathy (which is saying something for OU basketball). I get that the athletic department is in total disarray at the moment, but I’m sure even they can see the writing on the wall. The real question at this point is whether or not we can get enough NIL alignment/donor buy-in to attract a good replacement coach, or whether the program is headed straight for the wilderness à la OSU.

It doesn't technically have to be over by riverwind. I was thinking maybe they build a bridge over the Canadian river on Jenkins. It would turn into Ladd avenue on the other side of the river. I would say put it on Center and Ladd. Best of all it would only be three miles from the current Lloyd Noble Center. Better than the six miles it would be near riverwind and 8 miles over in UNP

Eyeballing the problem on Google Maps suggests it would take roughly a mile long bridge to cross the Canadian river (comparable to the I-35 bridge a bit to the west), who do you imagine is going to pay for that bridge?

Given the fact OU is very poor, they won't buyout Moser, so it may not matter.

OU’s athletic department is not “very poor.”

Unless they have a great finish to the year, they will be moving in for Moser.

Given the fact OU is very poor, they won't buyout Moser, so it may not matter.

Their athletic dept is top 10 revenue/donations in the entire NCAA. So, we need to stop with the OU is poor silliness.

OU’s athletic department is not “very poor.”

Unless they have a great finish to the year, they will be moving in for Moser.

The AD may not be poor, but they had to take a prorated portion of their SEC revenue share, so for this year, buying out coaches will have to come from private donors, which is where OU lacks, compared to other blue-blood programs.

The AD may not be poor, but they had to take a prorated portion of their SEC revenue share, so for this year, buying out coaches will have to come from private donors, which is where OU lacks, compared to other blue-blood programs.

OU has the 10th largest AD revenue out of 350+ Division 1 schools.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Boyd & Jenkins
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNBnTC9iLRmFlGsd1RHByZN4jN0VLDwQUotsLFx

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipP5bM-0ej0VuwlXlKIzFrSiHMmqBbVHVQH2CWmC

Or on the parking lot to the north.

OU has the 10th largest AD revenue out of 350+ Division 1 schools.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You are correct. However, AD revenue and NIL/buyout monies are 2 very, very different things. I should have specified. I was talking about buying out Moser's contract. Those types of fundings usually come from donors.

Boyd & Jenkins
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNBnTC9iLRmFlGsd1RHByZN4jN0VLDwQUotsLFx

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipP5bM-0ej0VuwlXlKIzFrSiHMmqBbVHVQH2CWmC
At least do a better job on the Photoshop next time.

next to I35 is a better location .. even south of the river
Nah too far from the University which is one of the problems with it. A bridge via Jenkins definitely will come in handy at some point anyway especially with goldsby Noble, Newcastle and Blanchard starting to see growth.