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CuatrodeMayo
03-12-2014, 01:52 PM
What are these "radio stations" you speak of?

bchris02
03-12-2014, 01:56 PM
What are these "radio stations" you speak of?

If you can't or don't want to pay for satellite or streaming, then you are stuck with good ole' FM radio.

Soonerman
03-12-2014, 02:09 PM
I wish OKC Bob FM was the variety hits Bob FM.

traxx
03-13-2014, 10:00 AM
I had satellite radio once and was unimpressed. I tend to listen to my own music library a lot though.

CuatrodeMayo
03-13-2014, 12:36 PM
https://www.spotify.com/us/

PWitty
03-13-2014, 12:42 PM
Complaining about the lack of basic radio stations these days is like complaining about the lack of TV channels on standard through-the-wall cable. Nobody (relative to the past) uses it so nobody is going to invest new money into it. XM, Spotify, Pandora, etc. killed standard radio. Even those who don't have satellite radio hook their phones into their radios and play music that way.

bchris02
03-13-2014, 01:00 PM
Amazing how these days you have to pay for stuff you once got for free and nobody seems to care.

bchris02
03-13-2014, 01:03 PM
I had satellite radio once and was unimpressed. I tend to listen to my own music library a lot though.

I've had it twice. I find a well-programmed terrestrial station sounds better than most satellite stations. Satellite is best for talk radio and EDM stations like B.P.M. Other than that, I didn't find it worth the money.

PWitty
03-13-2014, 01:10 PM
Amazing how these days you have to pay for stuff you once got for free and nobody seems to care.

That's because the quality of satellite and these other options is so superior to the old traditional format that nobody cares. Old traditional radio wasn't free either, it was paid for by the ads which became so frequent it was unbearable.

The only genre I find to be better on traditional radio is country music. Satellite radio's country selection is pretty bare. Pop/Hits, EDM, Rap, Sports, General News, Comedy, etc. are all unbeatable on satellite IMO. Plus you rarely ever have to hear commercials except on the Sports/News channels, which is one of the biggest pluses like I mentioned above.

CuatrodeMayo
03-13-2014, 01:44 PM
Amazing how these days you have to pay for stuff you once got for free and nobody seems to care.

Pandora and Spotify are both free if you don't mind occasional ads.

Dubya61
03-13-2014, 01:45 PM
Comedy is great on local radio (92.9 FM and AM 1560). IIRC, Comedy on Sirius/XM also had commercials.

bchris02
03-13-2014, 02:13 PM
Pandora and Spotify are both free if you don't mind occasional ads.

And are willing to pay for a hefty data plan. XM is actually cheaper when you consider that.

trousers
03-13-2014, 02:52 PM
Comedy is great on local radio (92.9 FM and AM 1560).

I forget about 92.9, I've got plenty of empty settings on my stereo, need to put that in a spot.

Stan Silliman
03-13-2014, 08:32 PM
107.7 has gone sports. I might be on it tonight.

okcpulse
03-14-2014, 07:58 AM
It would be nice if the weather didn't have to be just right for it to come in clear. Perry would be better to set up a translator like Now 96.5 and use it to properly cover OKC. I doubt there is much of a market for the station in Hobart or Elk City.

You would be shocked cold by how many rural Oklahomans listen to hip-hop. I have met a lot of people in places like Elk City who aren't African American but pretend to be, and they listen to nothing but hip-hop.

Houston also has two hip-hip stations that can barely be picked up beyond Harris County.

Dennis Heaton
03-14-2014, 08:47 AM
I'm so glad I have my portable record player and collection of 45's.

Stan Silliman
03-14-2014, 08:49 AM
While I mostly agree with you (well, not about the hip-hop) - how many times can you post the same thing? You've posted practically the same thing too many times to count. They still aren't listening to you. People who listen to hip-hop, generally speaking, don't have two nickles to rub together. Not exactly a money-making demographic. It's also hard to keep advertisers on hip-hop because they don't want the association with rape, assault, misogyny, murder, profanity, etc.

Seems like a prejudicial statement. If you're willing to bet, I'd bet you $ 100 there are at least a half-dozen multimillionaires in OKC who'd list their favorite recording artists as Jay-Z, Kanye, Drake, Eminem, or some other hip-hop artist. If I had a Lambo or Maserati dealership, I might advertise a little on a hip-hop station.

bchris02
03-14-2014, 11:12 AM
You would be shocked cold by how many rural Oklahomans listen to hip-hop. I have met a lot of people in places like Elk City who aren't African American but pretend to be, and they listen to nothing but hip-hop.

Houston also has two hip-hip stations that can barely be picked up beyond Harris County.

OKC could probably support at least one hip-hop station if programmed correctly for the market. Wild 97.9 back in the day was a smash success and that was pretty close. A good station isn't just about the music but also about the mix shows, DJs, etc. Today's Wild 104.9 isn't even a shell of what the old station run by Citadel was. A station like 92.1 the Beat in Tulsa would probably do well here.

Bunty
03-16-2014, 08:46 PM
Someone needs to revolt against how the radio station situation sucks in OKC by putting up a pirate FM station of at least 100 watts and play music that should be playing on the air. Run the station on a channel that won't interfere with the locals. Run it only when the FCC doesn't work, like on weekends and nights, and it would be interesting to see how long the station lasts.

windowphobe
03-17-2014, 05:36 PM
Just about ten years ago, someone ran an unlicensed R&B/hip-hop station at 92.1; the FCC came down on him quickly, reportedly because he was wanted for some unrelated offense in Florida. I noted at the time that it was putting out a better signal than the Spy.

bchris02
03-17-2014, 06:29 PM
Just about ten years ago, someone ran an unlicensed R&B/hip-hop station at 92.1; the FCC came down on him quickly, reportedly because he was wanted for some unrelated offense in Florida. I noted at the time that it was putting out a better signal than the Spy.

A translator like 96.5 would be perfect for a hip-hop station. It's cheap to run and it would reach its target audience well. I believe Perry is now running an adult R&B station on a translator at 92.1. If they could figure out a way to do the same with Power 103.5, that would be great. Meanwhile, I think Now 96.5 really needs to be on a real signal and go head to head with KJ-103.

windowphobe
03-18-2014, 05:50 PM
Yep. 92.1 is simulcasting Perry's KRMP (1140 AM), a 1-kw daytimer, and giving it a nighttime audience it wouldn't have gotten otherwise. It would be nice if they could snag another translator. (Meanwhile, 98.5 seems to be falling into the hands of the guys who run KREF in Norman, which is just as well, since KREF's OKC signal varies from lousy to nonexistent.)

bchris02
03-18-2014, 08:57 PM
Yep. 92.1 is simulcasting Perry's KRMP (1140 AM), a 1-kw daytimer, and giving it a nighttime audience it wouldn't have gotten otherwise. It would be nice if they could snag another translator. (Meanwhile, 98.5 seems to be falling into the hands of the guys who run KREF in Norman, which is just as well, since KREF's OKC signal varies from lousy to nonexistent.)

Does OKC really need another FM sports talk? This is so disappointing. Now there will be 98.1, 98.5, 105.3, and 107.7 all doing sports talk on the FM dial. It seems like there is never any good news in OKC radio, unless you love country, classic rock, or sports talk.

ljbab728
03-18-2014, 08:59 PM
Does OKC really need another FM sports talk? This is so disappointing. Now there will be 98.1, 98.5, 105.3, and 107.7 all doing sports talk on the FM dial.

I suspect the market will sort that out if there aren't enough listeners.

Soonerman
03-18-2014, 09:31 PM
Doesn't 98.5 just cover Norman anyway?

MWCGuy
03-19-2014, 04:07 AM
Does OKC really need another FM sports talk? This is so disappointing. Now there will be 98.1, 98.5, 105.3, and 107.7 all doing sports talk on the FM dial. It seems like there is never any good news in OKC radio, unless you love country, classic rock, or sports talk.

This is a city that loves discuss the 9th Grade Freshman who is going to make the starting lineup at OU. Truth be told very few people listen to over the air radio anymore especially since just about every car and truck made these days come with ipod/mp3 player connections. Every station is programmed for the 15 minute listener. That is why you here the same song 5 times a day or the Sports Guys talking about the same thing from dawn til dusk.

bchris02
03-19-2014, 07:16 AM
Terrestrial radio isn't what it once was and seems to be going downhill everywhere. That said, OKC stations are in about the worst shape of any populated area anywhere. Much of it has to do with the fact most of the frequencies here are owned by low budget, small town operators that are afraid to take any risks. It all started going downhill when Cumulus bought out Citadel. Country and sports talk are known to be cash cows in this market so rather than branching out, they stick with what is proven and operate it on the lowest budget they can get away with. Its an entirely different situation in Tulsa and they have much better stations.

windowphobe
03-19-2014, 05:11 PM
Doesn't 98.5 just cover Norman anyway?

For now. There's a construction permit (just approved earlier this month) to move north a bit (roughly from Lindsey to Alameda) and go up to 250 watts.

bchris02
03-19-2014, 06:13 PM
It's hard to believe OKC is getting yet another sports talk station. I thought it was bad when my favorite station, the Martini, switched to sports talk. Since then we've added two more, one on one of the best signals in the market. The thing is once a station goes sports it will probably stay there permanently. They are very cheap to run and bill high no matter the ratings.

Soonerman
03-19-2014, 07:31 PM
For now. There's a construction permit (just approved earlier this month) to move north a bit (roughly from Lindsey to Alameda) and go up to 250 watts.

But it'll still have issues in OKC, It will definately be subject to interference from KVOO out of Tulsa if the conditions are right.

zookeeper
03-19-2014, 07:36 PM
This forum has a brighter future than over-the-air radio (and maybe local television in the long-run). I liked The Martini - it was different.

bchris02
03-19-2014, 07:46 PM
This forum has a brighter future than over-the-air radio (and maybe local television in the long-run). I liked The Martini - it was different.

It's unusual to find a station like The Martini on over-the-air radio these days. Las Vegas has one and I think a few other cities do but its not common. I really loved the station though and its sad they had to switch to a bland sports talk.

Radio in OKC is so bad these days you almost have no choice but to go with satellite or streaming (both options cost money). Believe me when I say that it IS better in almost any other market, with the exception of eastern New Mexico where there isn't much at all. I would like to think the market would correct it eventually and some more variety will make its way into the market but I have my doubts. The addition of yet another sports talk station proves those doubts. It wouldn't surprise me if before long we see quite a few stations that currently play music flip to conservative talk radio.

windowphobe
03-20-2014, 05:47 PM
But it'll still have issues in OKC, It will definately be subject to interference from KVOO out of Tulsa if the conditions are right.

I'm thinking they're cutting the separation requirements (203 km) pretty thin between central Norman and northwest Tulsa; the usual fringe-reception line for KVOO reaches to, but not beyond, the northeast corner of Cleveland County.

Soonerman
03-21-2014, 12:58 PM
I'm thinking they're cutting the separation requirements (203 km) pretty thin between central Norman and northwest Tulsa; the usual fringe-reception line for KVOO reaches to, but not beyond, the northeast corner of Cleveland County.

There's also KACO out of Apache/Anadarko area thats on 98.5 that will give this translator some issues too.

Cocaine
03-21-2014, 03:24 PM
Amazing how these days you have to pay for stuff you once got for free and nobody seems to care.

Not really you can still get music for free. Just check out CD's from the library and rip them to your computer. You can check out 30 CD's at a time and the selection is decent (has plenty of R&B, Jazz, Alt and Classic Rock, Oldies, and Classical). If you don't have a smart phone just buy an Ipod Classic and then you don't need to listen to the radio. The only negative is no talk radio. But I do agree I can't see why anyone would pay for satellite radio it certainly isn't worth it. The only people that pay for stuff they can get legally for free are either suckers or just just don't realize that $10 a month really starts to add up. That money could be spent better else where or better yet saved.

windowphobe
03-21-2014, 04:42 PM
There's also KACO out of Apache/Anadarko area thats on 98.5 that will give this translator some issues too.

Good call. I forgot to look in that direction, figuring there wasn't much to be seen; but they're a C3 with 18 kw, which should put them right into McClain County.

Plutonic Panda
03-22-2014, 09:50 AM
This is a city that loves discuss the 9th Grade Freshman who is going to make the starting lineup at OU. Truth be told very few people listen to over the air radio anymore especially since just about every car and truck made these days come with ipod/mp3 player connections. Every station is programmed for the 15 minute listener. That is why you here the same song 5 times a day or the Sports Guys talking about the same thing from dawn til dusk.I hear radio stations playing in people's cars everyday man.

Plutonic Panda
03-22-2014, 09:53 AM
Amazing how these days you have to pay for stuff you once got for free and nobody seems to care.While I don't beleive or condone pirating, if you really don't have $10 a month to spend on Spotify or $20 a month for satellite radio, go to Piratebay.org Download music, movies, games, software! The Pirate Bay - The galaxy's most resilient BitTorrent site (http://thepiratebay.se/)

I used to use it all the time, but since I've recently started making some music on Fruityloop.... I've kind of viewed it differently and I want to give credit where it is due. That would be your best bet if you absolutely can't pay for it.

bluedogok
03-22-2014, 10:33 AM
You have always had to "pay" for radio, through ads or direct payment. For the most part what is on my 160gb iPod Classic is music from the CD's that I own and ripped. I also have Sirius and listen to it some on my iPhone but mostly the radio in the car, my wife has one at her office.

Plutonic Panda
03-22-2014, 04:31 PM
I use Spotify most of the time. I also have SirusXm and love it. Mostly listen to Electric Area or BPM

windowphobe
03-22-2014, 04:53 PM
I carry tons of tunes, but I have been known to fiddle about with iTunes Radio, and have even created a station of my own.

Bunty
03-22-2014, 06:25 PM
While I don't beleive or condone pirating, if you really don't have $10 a month to spend on Spotify or $20 a month for satellite radio, go to Piratebay.org Download music, movies, games, software! The Pirate Bay - The galaxy's most resilient BitTorrent site (http://thepiratebay.se/)

You use that, and risk getting your Internet service shut down at least temporarily. That how unauthorized downloads of copyrighted media are being handled these days.

CuatrodeMayo
03-22-2014, 08:36 PM
Your internet being disconnected is the least of your worries. Pirating music will get you a hefty lawsuit.

bchris02
03-22-2014, 09:08 PM
There really isn't a need to pirate anymore when Amazon offers DRM-free MP3s for $1.29.

bluedogok
03-23-2014, 09:31 AM
Many of my CD's I buy used, especially 90's era country which can be bought around 2.00 a CD. That way I can rip at what level I want and always have a backup. For my main stereo system I have a 200 disc changer that will play MP3 CD's so I can load a bunch of songs on one disc and hit shuffle. It works for me.

Plutonic Panda
03-23-2014, 11:43 AM
Your internet being disconnected is the least of your worries. Pirating music will get you a hefty lawsuit.


You use that, and risk getting your Internet service shut down at least temporarily. That how unauthorized downloads of copyrighted media are being handled these days.Hmmmm, I know plenty of people who do it and have been doing for awhile now. They have not had one problem.

ctchandler
03-23-2014, 11:48 AM
Plutonic Panda,
It's a risk but if you are willing to take a chance, be prepared to suffer the consequences. I have read about fines in the $25,000 range and some were caught in OKC a few years back.
C. T.
Hmmmm, I know plenty of people who do it and have been doing for awhile now. They have not had one problem.

Plutonic Panda
03-23-2014, 11:52 AM
Plutonic Panda,
It's a risk but if you are willing to take a chance, be prepared to suffer the consequences. I have read about fines in the $25,000 range and some were caught in OKC a few years back.
C. T.huh, well like I said, I believe in paying for things I use and giving credit where it is due, so I honestly don't believe in it. $25,000 seems a bit much. I would assume they just pay for the media they pirated and serve some community service or something.

CuatrodeMayo
03-23-2014, 01:22 PM
Hmmmm, I know plenty of people who do it and have been doing for awhile now. They have not had one problem.

$25,000 seems a bit much. I would assume they just pay for the media they pirated and serve some community service or something.

RIAA - The Law - March 23, 2014 (http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php?content_selector=piracy_online_ the_law)

zookeeper
03-23-2014, 02:30 PM
The system in place to police BitTorrent hasn't even been mentioned in this back and forth.

Cox is not signatory to the Six Strikes deal worked out between AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner and Verizon. But, they did say at the time the Copyright Alert System was announced that they have a "proprietary" system that is very close to what the others announced they would follow.

If you're caught one time you get a letter, second time you get a letter, it's a graduated response up until the sixth infringement at which point they can throttle your service and, in some cases, shut your account down altogether.

Getting caught downloading something from BitTorrent is a big deal only if you've been warned and warned and warned. It's too huge to police. No to mention, if you're not seeding (sharing) for long periods after the download - you'll probably never even get the first letter.

In reality, the MPAA and RIAA occasionally will "make an example" of somebody that makes the news and frighten people - but it's extremely rare. The biggest problem with all of this legally is it is very hard to prove an IP address = a particular individual to pursue.

I don't use any peer-to-peer as it's not only ethically wrong, I am concerned with the security of any file that is shared peer-to-peer.

Copyright Alert System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Alert_System)
Center for Copyright Information | What is a Copyright Alert? (http://www.copyrightinformation.org/the-copyright-alert-system/what-is-a-copyright-alert/)

Plutonic Panda
03-23-2014, 08:53 PM
RIAA - The Law - March 23, 2014 (http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php?content_selector=piracy_online_ the_law)I already know what it is.... what is your point?

windowphobe
03-24-2014, 04:42 PM
Peer-to-peer, in and of itself, is ethically neutral; it's when you use it to steal stuff that it becomes a problem.

I don't torrent, mostly because I don't have a whole lot of faith in the mysterious providers at the other end.

zookeeper
04-07-2014, 04:05 PM
Interesting read from the New York Times. Young, Rich and Ruling Radio, Country Walks a Broader Line (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/07/business/media/losing-a-few-hay-bales-country-music-goes-mainstream.html)

MWCGuy
04-08-2014, 01:45 AM
Lately, I have been listening to iHeart Radio on my iPhone. I have been listening to Air Chicago for my Smooth Jazz fix. It's pretty good station that is designed to provide information to travelers at O'Hare and Midway. It's programmed to provide information about airport services and amenities. Its only a few minutes of that with Chicago news and weather then back to music for about 45 minutes of each hour. If you like Smooth Jazz, you might want to check it out.

traxx
04-08-2014, 10:06 AM
Interesting read from the New York Times. Young, Rich and Ruling Radio, Country Walks a Broader Line (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/07/business/media/losing-a-few-hay-bales-country-music-goes-mainstream.html)

This really isn't all that surprising. What's coming out of Nashville has so much pop in it that it's hardly distinguishible from AC and top 40 stations. Back in the late 60s and into the 70s, the music that came out of Nashville got too polished and the outlaw movement took it back to its roots. Country needs another wake up call like that.