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fire121 01-17-2010, 06:17 PM This is a list of attacks on American soil with ties directly to the Muslim religion or radical Islam. I only went to 1980. It actually starts in '72. Not related to airport security but these folks have been terrorizing on our soil for a while. Reporting and reacting to facts does not make one a racist.
You can learn more about the wonderful religion of peace and it's treatment of woman and gays here. Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/)
7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim fires on a vanload of Jewish boys, killing one.
3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
10/31/1999 USA Near Nantucket 217 0 An Egyptian airline pilot runs a planeload of 217 passengers into the water after uttering a Qur'anic prayer.
3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a religious revival, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 A Muslim man runs down five strangers with a car.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
10/6/2006 USA Louisville, KY 4 1 In an 'honor' attack, a Muslim man rapes and beats his estranged wife, leaving her for dead, then savagely murders their four children.
2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim with 'religious motives' shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center.
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
ktybug 01-17-2010, 09:02 PM So you want our government to keep a database which indicates what everyone's religion is? If we go to a different church, will we have to fill out paperwork with the FBI or with the church?
Could this maybe be a slight overreaction to something which at worst would have been tragic, but only fatal to about .00006% of the population? Keep in mind, 115 folks die per day in auto collisions.
So maybe, just maybe, the position that we need to do anything at all lacks perspective?
Maybe it's overreaction?
I gotta jump in here. "at worst would have been tragic"? This would be your feeling if some one you loved or cared for would be murdered? We ain't talking about random car accidents or falling off ladders. Since the person's in question are of the Islam faith and plot to kill us in their mosques', their religion is of importance here. Let's hope you are not working in the next "Twin Towers", it would be tragic.
ktybug 01-17-2010, 09:03 PM The common denominator with nearly every terrorist is Islam. It doesn't matter if their are white, black, yellow, brown or pink. It's the depth and level of their religious ideology - some call it a perversion of Islam. Others call it Islamism - or political Islam.
In Yemen this week over 150 Muslim clerics called for jihad against us if we were to enter their country. Is that a perversion? Don't they want to get al Qaeda there, too? Or do their actions tell us they are protecting them?
Clerics in Yemen warn of jihad if US sends troops
washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/14/AR2010011401331.html)
BTW, CAIR, an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood infrastructure in America, wrote a letter to President Obama on Dec. 23rd claiming there is an "alarming level of anti-Islam hate in our nation."
CAIR tries to shut down criticism of anything relating to Islam. It's similar to Sharia law in Islamic countries where there is no tolerance for criticism.
So, Major, tell me about last night. What happened?
ktybug 01-17-2010, 09:29 PM If you think the above statement isn't racist then let me give you an example. If you were ignorant you could assume most of the robberies done in any city is by African Americans at 7-11's – in the exact same context that ignorant people could assume that of the millions upon millions of Muslims who travel the skies could all be terrorists and should be profiled. So how about we "racially-profile" every African American coming into a convenience store. We can search them just so we feel safe.
You know what wouldn’t be racist - If we did the above described “racist profiling” and also searched every white person driving a Ryder truck. Just pull them over and give them a pat down. Hell I’d feel much safer. Who cares if the white person that just got searched feels less American and like a criminal living in his own country?
Seriously, why do some people have to live in fear all the time? Someone else in the forum said it best –more people die in car accidents, bad diets, smoking, violent shootings, than terrorism in the U.S.
This is why I love this country. Fortunately there are enough people with enough sense to ensure what you are suggesting won’t happen – at least not long-term because it doesn’t make sense logically. Terrorism against the U.S. won’t always be perpetrated by Muslims in airplanes. If it were that easy this problem would have been solved long ago.
This topic should be moved to a political or fear-mongering/racist section.
You are right, terrorism against the US, your home, will not always be perpetuated by Muslims. But you, as most persons separated from WWII by more than one generation, are suffering short term memory loss. Same thing was said of the the Germans and Japanese. Yet, common sense told America at that moment in time, they were our enemy. War is not for the faint of heart. That is what America is becoming. War is hell, it is an offense to all that we as humans. All that we have been taught about what is good and loving. Yet it is at times necessary to preserve just those qualities. If I must choose between preserving my rights, my safety, my home and country and my choice is to fight and kill, so be it. If you are offended by what you see as fear mongering, you must also be able to accept the facts as they are today. Humans from countries in the Middle East, termed as "Islam Countries" is not profiling it is accurate. Their predominate religion is Islam, they cry it out as they shoot at us, bomb us, plot to murder us in any form available. To wit, if you are a person from that country, I will be wary of you at this time in human history. Go read some history books, not much has changed from the begining of recorded history when it comes to war. Even Leonardo Di Vinci spoke of life and fear. "As courage imperils life, fear protects it".
fire121 01-17-2010, 09:37 PM Could someone explain how being critical of a hateful and destructive political ideology can be labeled as racism. Islam is not a race.
ljbab728 01-18-2010, 12:25 AM I think there are many good points made by many people here but I believe this whole thread belongs in another area. It's not that pertinent to what we normally discuss.
fuzzytoad 01-18-2010, 09:35 AM So is anyone going to post minutes or a summary from the meeting?
OKCTalker 01-18-2010, 10:01 AM Apparently not much happened at the meeting. Not much worthy of mention here or in the paper anyway. Are those crickets I hear?
Major 01-19-2010, 08:44 AM RR, the only faith brought up on this thread was Islam. Did I miss something? And your statement "Good" muslims have no obligations to call out anyone just to make a couple redneck Okies feel important. FAIL." is curiously strange.
The townhall was a typical CAIR propaganda whine-fest. It was not supported strongly by the Muslim community with less than 100 mixed faith participants. If they had 1,000 show up I would have said it was a strong turnout but it wasn't.
This townhall was held the day after the Department of Homeland Security increased airport security once again since the failed underwear bomber, which didn't help their cause, either. Cahnging locations the day because of possible protestors is rather telling, don't you think? Those that didn't get that memo showed up to an empty building.
BTW, Calvey, a brave man for calling out CAIR, was awarded the bronze star metal for his service in Iraq during the 2007 troop surge. He is a winner!
Go Calvey!
lonestarstatesux 01-19-2010, 01:27 PM Al Qaeda has declared war against us! Once in 1996 and again in 1998. They and their affiliates want to take down our country over time. In th process, they will keep on planning attacks.
The extra security steps are reasonable since 99.999999% of terrorists are Muslims.
Partnering up with CAIR and other unindicted co-conspirators in a Hamas funding case does not help the greater Muslim community in Oklahoma. I believe it hurts them greatly.
Yea, and 99.9999999999999% of child molesters and serial killers are men. We should do something about that. And don't say I'm overreacting - the number of men in the world and total Muslim population are not far different.
MadMonk 01-19-2010, 01:49 PM Yea, and 99.9999999999999% of child molesters and serial killers are men. We should do something about that. And don't say I'm overreacting - the number of men in the world and total Muslim population are not far different.
And I would hope that the investigators were focusing on men 99.9999999999999 of the time in child molestation and serial killer cases. It's only logical.
lonestarstatesux 01-19-2010, 01:54 PM And I would hope that the investigators were focusing on men 99.9999999999999 of the time in child molestation and serial killer cases. It's only logical.
Yea, but we don't pull all the men aside and check them. You have to have more reason than "that guy's brown" or "that guy is a Muslim" to pull people aside and go through extra measures.
JIMOKEY 01-20-2010, 05:23 AM my God when is this going to stop? The fear is eating me up - i can't sleep anymore. We need to get together and do something - i suggest random searches of crazy white people. You can tell they are crazy because..........................they just have that look in their eyes....for example like the guy in this picture....
Shooter Kills 8 in Virginia, Cops Corner Suspect - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583389,00.html)
as ktybug so eloquently appropriated a quote from Leonardo Di Vinci (maybe a distant cousin of Leonardo Da Vinci) "As courage imperils life, fear protects it"
mugofbeer 01-20-2010, 10:57 AM my God when is this going to stop? The fear is eating me up - i can't sleep anymore. We need to get together and do something - i suggest random searches of crazy white people. You can tell they are crazy because..........................they just have that look in their eyes....for example like the guy in this picture....
Shooter Kills 8 in Virginia, Cops Corner Suspect - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583389,00.html)
as ktybug so eloquently appropriated a quote from Leonardo Di Vinci (maybe a distant cousin of Leonardo Da Vinci) "As courage imperils life, fear protects it"
JIMOKEY, they DO pull over white people and search them. I've had it happen twice randomly (I hope) to me and I am fine with it. Even the Army has now admitted they were too "politically correct" in the case of Maj. Hasan. A Muslim background should be a starting point, then move on to see if there is something else. If not, fine. If so, look for more. In both the cases of Maj. Hasan in Texas and in the case of the Christmas incident, there was more than enough evidence something fishy was going on.
Major 01-20-2010, 05:08 PM A newly-formed patriotic group called Oklahomans Against CAIR Hate (OACH) today announced its plans to protest an event sponsored this Saturday at the University of Oklahoma by the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR has been linked in US government documents to terrorist groups, including Palestinian Hamas, and CAIR leaders have been sentenced to prison for terrorist-related activity.
"As a veteran, a mother, and a survivor of a terrorist attack, I call upon Oklahomans of all faiths, all political persuasions, and all walks of life, especially those in the news media, to speak the truth about CAIR as a with terrorist connections, and to join us Saturday night to protest CAIR’s planned event at OU,” said Cindy Crenshaw, the President of OACH.The CAIR event, the screening of a movie entitled “Inside Islam What a Billion Muslims Think,” is scheduled for Saturday, January 23, 2010, at 7:00 p.m. at the Oklahoma Memorial Union’s Meacham at OU’s main campus in Norman.
I have not seen the movie, so I will reserve judgment on its contents. Our protest Saturday night is not about the movie or about Muslims in general, many of whom are good citizens. Our protest is solely about CAIR and its terrorist connections,” said Crenshaw"
“CAIR tries to portray itself as an innocuous civil rights organization, but it is not: CAIR leaders have been sentenced to 65 years in prison for terrorist-related activities; CAIR received funds from a bogus ‘charity’ called the Holy Land Foundation which funneled money to the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, the FBI cut off relations with CAIR late in 2008 out of concerns for CAIR’s terrorist connections; and CAIR is regarded as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League, a nearly 100-year-old respected institution dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg of proof of CAIR’s terrorist connections,” Crenshaw added.
Crenshaw said the goal of OACH is to educate the media and the public about CAIR’s terrorist connections, and to counter media bias in favor of CAIR.
Crenshaw was severely injured while serving with the U.S. Air Force in Germany in 1980, when Gundolf Koehler, an international neo-Nazi terrorist, detonated a bomb at the Munich Oktoberfest, killing himself and 11 others and injuring over 200 more. Crenshaw lost both legs and was medically retired from the military.She moved to Oklahoma in 1983,and has raised 3 children. Crenshaw is a certified Peer Visitor for amputees
Spartan 01-20-2010, 06:46 PM Neither of these groups sound very cool. Or caring.
mugofbeer 01-20-2010, 06:52 PM There is far more to life than what looks or sounds cool, but this doesn't sound like the way to fight against political whine group like CAIR.
Blazerfan11 01-20-2010, 06:52 PM Your clash of civilizations is interesting, considering a lot of $$$ that goes to CAIR comes from our dear friend the Saudis. This sounds like a group started by boobs.
mugofbeer 01-20-2010, 07:11 PM I remember living in Dallas and hearing ads on KRLD for the Holy Land Foundation and thinking "This has to be a PLO front." Turns out it was. I still say that if CAIR put half of their efforts at speaking out against voilence from their own religion rather than whining about what they percieve as predjudice, they'd have far more support.
ljbab728 01-20-2010, 10:50 PM I still feel that while this is a worthwhile issue it belongs in a different area.
Spartan 01-20-2010, 11:03 PM I remember living in Dallas and hearing ads on KRLD for the Holy Land Foundation and thinking "This has to be a PLO front." Turns out it was. I still say that if CAIR put half of their efforts at speaking out against voilence from their own religion rather than whining about what they percieve as predjudice, they'd have far more support.
I think that the CAIR message is something that people really WANT to agree with, but CAIR gives us little reasons to do so when it's all about the mean white ppl.
mugofbeer 01-20-2010, 11:48 PM I think that the CAIR message is something that people really WANT to agree with, but CAIR gives us little reasons to do so when it's all about the mean white ppl.
The national media has dubbed them the apparent spokesgroup for all Muslims in America and feels they are a moderate force in political Islam. I see them as not much more than a whining platform.
OK, Let me get this straight, the "white folk" protest group is called,
"Oklahomans Against CAIR Hate"? That phrasing and structure doesn't make any sense at all. I'm not really weighing in on the beef between them and CAIR, because it sounds like bunch of hearsay and speculation. But, if you are going to form a protest organization at least make it look like you tried to come up with a decent name. The name of this group is literally "Oklahomans Against The Council of American Islamic Relations Hate". Why not just leave it at Oklahomans Against CAIR, or better yet, maybe call it something that doesn't rely on the existence of your opposition in order to exist and just call it, "Oklahomans Against Terrorism", or "Oklahomans Against Islamic Extremism" etc.... As it sits, WORST NAME EVER...
This thread is shameful, PLEASE MOVE IT TO THE POLITICAL FORUM where it belongs. And you know Major, I can honestly say that the majority of the terrorist attacks on American soil I remember from my life have all been Christian white people. Anti Abortion protesters and Tim McVeigh. I agree, there are islamic terrorists out there, but you guys just sound paranoid. Remember, just because your radio tells you to be afraid, doesn't mean you have to be. I'm guessing you are the same group of people that think the Chinese are going to take your jobs and the Mexicans are going to take over your neighborhoods and make your children speak spanish.
xen·o·phobe (zěn'ə-fōb', zē'nə-)
n. A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
xen'o·pho'bi·a n., xen'o·pho'bic adj.
Midtowner 01-21-2010, 07:57 AM The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has consistently and persistently condemned terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians. CAIR has also organized fatwas, petition drives, placed advertisements in national and local newspapers, ran public service announcements on television and radio stations, helped local Mosques across the United States in holding open houses, published Op-Eds in local and national newspapers, conducted inter-faith meetings and worked with scholars to disseminate the peaceful teachings of Islam.
In addition to specific campaigns, we have compiled a 68 page document showing all of the condemnations of terrorism after September 11th, 2001 and a similar document after the July 7th, 2006 bombings in London, UK.
The following is a sampling of campaigns we have conducted.
Fatwa Against Terrorism
CAIR backs Fatwa against Terrorism. English, Arabic, Urdu radio anti-terror PSAs released (Washington, D.C., 7/28/05) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today offered its support for a fatwa, or Islamic religious ruling, against terrorism and extremism issued by the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) and endorsed by more than 120 U.S. Muslim groups, leaders and institutions.
Not in the Name of Islam Petition
The “Not in the Name of Islam” petition states: “We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
Persistent and Consistent Condemnation of Terrorism
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has a clear record of consistently and persistently condemning terrorism. Yet American Muslim groups like CAIR get repeatedly asked the question why have Muslims not spoken out against terrorism? The fact is they have, but who is listening? This prompted one media commentator to ask, “Are Muslims condemning terror to the deaf?”
CAIR Statements on the Events of September 11
"We condemn in the strongest terms possible what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts."
CAIR: Video Shows Bin Laden's Complicity in 9-11 Attacks
(Washington, DC, 12/13/2001) The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Washington-based Islamic advocacy group, today offered its reaction to the videotape of Osama bin Laden released by the Pentagon.
CAIR stated: For anyone who was not convinced of Osama bin Laden's complicity in the events of September 11, the content of this videotape should remove all doubt. Bin Laden clearly spoke as someone who had foreknowledge of the attacks.
CAIR Condemnation of Suicide Bombing
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 3/28/2002) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Washington-based Islamic advocacy group, today condemned a bomb attack on a Passover celebration in the Middle East that left 20 people dead and more than 100 wounded.
In a statement, CAIR said: "We condemn this attack and all other attacks on innocent civilians. Illegitimate and counterproductive tactics must not be used in the legitimate struggle to end Israel's brutal occupation.
CAIR Full Page Advertisement in Washington Post on September 16, 2001
"We at the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), along with the entire American Muslim community are deeply saddened by the massive loss of life resulting from the tragic events of September 11. American Muslims utterly condemn the vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all American in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts."
Canadian Muslim Scholars Reject "Misguided" Calls For Jihad
(OTTAWA, CANADA) - The Canadian office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR CAN) and the Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association (CMCLA) today denounced a series of recent statements made by Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda network that state that Muslims should wage a "jihad" against Americans.
Toledo Muslims Condemn Attack on US, Ask Media to Excercise Restraint
TOLEDO, OH-- The United Muslim Association of Toledo, expresses its deepest regret at the death of our fellow citizens around the United States. The United Muslim Association condemns these acts of senseless violence. As American Muslims we are saddened by this loss of life. We offer our condolences to the families of the victims and pray for the recovery of those injured in the explosion. We call for a comprehensive investigation into the circumstances that led to this tragedy and full disclosure of the findings.
Rallying to Make a Difference Hundreds of Families and Community Leaders
"I'm here because I think I can try to make a difference – to inform the public about what's going on," he said.
Imad joined hundreds of other families and community leaders, Muslim and non-Muslim, on Saturday for a rally against terrorism sponsored by the Council on American-Islamic Relations-DFW.
He stood with his siblings and cousins holding banners and American flags.
American Muslim Response to the September Attacks
We, the undersigned Muslim organizations, support the President and Congress of the U.S. in the struggle against terrorism. Holding to the ideals of both our religion and our country, we condemn all forms of terrorism, and confirm the need for perpetrators of any such acts of violence to be brought to justice, including those who carried out the attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001.
ISNA Joins AMPCC in Condemning Terrorist Attacks
(Plainfield, IN – 9/11/2001) – The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), along with other Muslim organizations throughout North America, today condemned the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and offered condolences to the families of those who were killed or injured.
The AMPCC statement read in part: "American Muslims utterly condemn what are vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts."
ICNA Declares Friday, September 14, 2001, a Day of Mourning and Prayers
The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) is extremely horrified and saddened by the tragedy in New York and Washington D.C.
Our hearts and prayers are with the families of the victims of this horrible and despicable crime. We condemn this heinous act and call upon our political leaders and the media to act responsibly, and not generalize when speculating about the perpetrators.
Scholars of Islam Speak Out Against Terrorism; Clarify Position of Islam
Dozens of scholars of Islam issued a statement today, condemning the violent attacks of September 11th.
"We are grief-stricken at these horrifying events," they wrote; "the murder of innocents can never be justified and must not be tolerated."
In a lengthy statement, professors from major colleges and universities throughout the country expressed their compassion for grieving family members while also decrying the increase in violence against American Muslims this past week. "Anger and frustration are completely understandable and shared by us all," they wrote "yet that anger must not be directed at individuals utterly innocent of these terrible crimes.
U.S. Muslim Scholars Condemn Attacks
CHICAGO, Sept 12 (IslamOnline) - Muslim scholars in North America unanimously condemned the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon and expressed their deep sorrow and sympathy for those Americans who were killed and injured.
The Detroit-based Shari'a Scholars Association of North America (SSANA) strongly condemned the attack and said that there is no cause that justifies "this type of an immoral and inhumane act that has affected so many innocent American lives."
Call for Holy War Condemned by Florida Muslim Cleric
Osama bin Laden and his call for a jihad, or holy war, against the United States were denounced in a scathing address on Friday by the leader of one of Florida's largest mosques.
"There are some who tarnish Islam, who do terror in the name of Islam," said Maulana Shafayat Mohamed, head of Darul Uloom Institute in Pembroke Pines. "They confuse jihad with their own problems. We must educate them about Islam, so they will not corrupt it."
Experts Say bin Laden Is Distorting Islamic Law
Leading American scholars and practitioners of Islam said yesterday that Osama bin Laden had twisted and debased Muslim theology in a videotaped statement in which he called on "every Muslim" to "rush to make his religion victorious" by emulating those who attacked the United States on Sept. 11.
Ingrid Mattson, a professor of Islamic studies and Muslim-Christian relations at Hartford Seminary in Hartford, said there was no basis in Islamic law or sacred text for Mr. bin Laden's remarks.
American Muslim Scholar Declares: Terrorists are Mass Murderers, not Martyrs
Tuesday's terrorist attacks have saddened and maddened millions -- and raised questions for many about Islam. Speculation abounds that the hijackers were inspired by terrorists like Osama bin Laden, who teach that violent acts can pave the way to paradise.
But what does Islam really say about such matters? About jihad and martyrdom?
We asked Hamza Yusuf, an Islamic scholar in the East Bay, who said the attackers were ``enemies of Islam.'' Not martyrs, but ``mass murderers, pure and simple.''
Muslim Religious Figures Condemn Terrorism
* "Hijacking Planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood constitute a form of injustice that can not be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts."
Shaykh Abdul Aziz al-Ashaikh (Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and Chairman of the Senior Ulama, on September 15th, 2001)
*The terrorists acts, from the perspective of Islamic law, constitute the crime of hirabah (waging war against society)."
Islamic Statements Against Terrorism in the Wake of the September 11 Mass Murders
Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS - Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:
Messages From Shaikh Muhammad Yusuf Islahi
The sudden barbaric attack on innocent citizens living in peace is extremely distressing and deplorable. Every gentle human heart goes out to the victims of this attack and as humans we are ashamed at the barbarism perpetrated by a few people.
Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi Condemns Attacks Against Civilians: Forbidden in Islam
DOHA, Qatar, Sept 13 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - Renowned Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi denounced the attacks against civilians in the U.S. Tuesday and encouraged Muslims to donate blood to the victims of the attack.
In response to the bloody attack against civilians in the U.S., Sheikh Yusuf issued a statement Wednesday saying that:
Muslim World Condemns Attacks on U.S.
DUBAI, Sept 12 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - The Muslim world expressed condemnation Wednesday towards the attacks that occurred Tuesday in the United States, news agencies reported.
The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) grouping 57 Muslim states condemned Wednesday the previous day's attacks on the United States, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported.
Expressions of grief and sympathy in the Arab and Muslim world
For many of us, one of the most disturbing images of these past painful weeks has been that of the celebration of a few Palestinian youths after the tragedy.
This image has been played over and over again on CNN, thus reinforcing the myth that somehow the whole of the Arab and Muslim world rejoices at our pain.
Bin Laden's violence is a heresy against Islam
IN what sense were the World Trade Centre bombers members of Islam? This question has been sidelined by many Western analysts impatient with the niceties of theology; but it may be the key to understanding the recent attacks, and assessing the long-term prospects for peace in the Muslim world.
Koran a Book of Peace, Not War, Scholars Say
Osama bin Laden, who is widely assumed to be the force behind the September 11 hijackings in the United States, cites the Koran, Islam's most holy book, as the inspiration for terrorist attacks. But Muslim scholars around the world who are reviled by such actions explain that the Koran preaches peace.
From the CAIR website if anyone cares. Looks like they have a pretty strong anti-terrorism record. But facts be damned right?
Anti Terrorism (http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspx)
Major 01-21-2010, 07:59 AM EBAH, Oklahomans Against CAIR Hate is not a "white folk" group. Where did you pull that from?
I challenge anyone to read the follow article and verfiy each fact given about CAIR. It will take you quite a while but if you do it - you will be fully satisfied there are serious concerns with CAIR.
CAIR's support for terrorists is alarming! (http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/2010/01/cair-and-their-support-for-terrorists.html)
kevinpate 01-21-2010, 08:03 AM Group leader is not against a movie she hasn't seen. A reasonable stance.
Group leaders says OACH is not against Muslims in general. A reasonable stance.
OACH has scheduled a protest to take place outside the showing of a movie entitled
Inside Islam What a Billion Muslims Think.
A reasonable stance?
USG '60 01-21-2010, 08:19 AM EBAH, Oklahomans Against CAIR Hate is not a "white folk" group. Where did you pull that from?
I challenge anyone to read the follow article and verfiy each fact given about CAIR. It will take you quite a while but if you do it - you will be fully satisfied there are serious concerns with CAIR.
CAIR's support for terrorists is alarming! (http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/2010/01/cair-and-their-support-for-terrorists.html)
Who are these people? Nobody's name is on it. I guess no one wants credit for such a great website.
David 01-21-2010, 08:57 AM The name doesn't make sense to me either. Are they against CAIR, or against Hate for CAIR?
fuzzytoad 01-21-2010, 09:05 AM EBAH, Oklahomans Against CAIR Hate is not a "white folk" group. Where did you pull that from?
If its a group against a non-white race, then it **MUST** be made up of white people, that's like a rule or something, don't you watch the news?
I challenge anyone to read the follow article and verfiy each fact given about CAIR. It will take you quite a while but if you do it - you will be fully satisfied there are serious concerns with CAIR.
CAIR's support for terrorists is alarming! (http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/2010/01/cair-and-their-support-for-terrorists.html)
I read that article, and none of the links for the "facts" go to MSNBC or DailKos, so there's no way they're true.
Why isn't this thread in the politics section?
The name doesn't make sense to me either. Are they against CAIR, or against Hate for CAIR?
HAHAHAHA, exactly! And, I'm sorry for the white folk comment, I realize it is incendiary, but I mean, it is white folk right?
And that "article", is a blog posting, which makes it op-ed. Remember the "good ole days" of corporate controlled media? Back when things like that had to be followed by a legal statemen. Something like "the views expressed in this column are the views of the author and are not the views of (insert name of publication)". Without cited sources, it is not a credible source of information.
Why hasn't this article been moved to politics?
Major 01-21-2010, 12:03 PM fuzzytoad LOL re I read that article, and none of the links for the "facts" go to MSNBC or DailKos, so there's no way they're true.
mugofbeer 01-21-2010, 02:05 PM Its one thing to just post something on a web site and another to get out and publicly and outwardly proclaim something. The only thing you ever really hear about them is complaining - now, to their web site.
There is one small link aiming towards their stand on anti-terrorism. Not a banner stand condemning it. Instead there are header links to Civil Rights and Government Relations, the news banners are:
CAIR Seeks Probe of Torture Complaints
CAIR Urges Pentagon to Drop Gun Sights with Bible Verses
CAIR Welcomes Lifting of Ban on Muslim Scholar
CAIR-LA: Muslim Station Receives ‘Avalanche of Anti-Islam Comments’
CAIR-MI: Muslims 'Reserving Judgment' on Inmate Death
CAIR-MN: Anti-Muslim Cartoons to be Discussed at Meeting
MI: County Won’t Release Imam's Autopsy Report
* mind you, I am not making comment that some or all of these complaints may or may not be justified. The point is that their web site promotes issues of complaints far more prominently than it does an anti-terrorism stance.
I see, and give them credit for, a news story about a mosque raising funds for Haiti.
But, there is nothing on there about, for example, campaigns to discourage the anti-Americanism in certain mosques or islamic schools.
There are no eye-catching banner headlines discouraging all forms of voilence and murder against innocent people being committed around the world.
Silence and a lack of vehiment, vocal and public outcry against members of their own faith who commit atrocities says a lot about this group.
Sure, there are unfounded rumors and outright lies being told about them, but like any group who complains too much, people start turning a deaf ear to them.
Major 01-21-2010, 02:37 PM I'll start with one item and go from there.
Razi Hashmi, the Director of CAIR-OKlahoma, implied U.S. Rep. Mary Fallin (http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0109/582650.html) should be neutral in last year Israel/Hamas conflict when she spoke out against Hamas.
Hmmm.....
ronronnie1 01-23-2010, 07:28 AM I'll start with one item and go from there.
Razi Hashmi, the Director of CAIR-OKlahoma, implied U.S. Rep. Mary Fallin (http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0109/582650.html) should be neutral in last year Israel/Hamas conflict when she spoke out against Hamas.
Hmmm.....
If the U.S. was neutral in the Israeli/Arab conficts, the World Trade Center would still be standing. Was it really worth it? Basically, when you stick your nose where it does not belong, sometimes it gets bit.
Now I have no desire to discuss the Israeli/Arab situation any further with a bunch of rednecks who couldn't find Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, etc on a map, so ta-ta kiddos.
Major 01-23-2010, 09:40 AM America's support for Israel is unbreakble.
ronronnie1 01-23-2010, 09:51 AM Too bad those 2 towers in NYC weren't. Yeah, it's like that yall.
But yeah, the U.S. will probably support Israel even if they continue to spy on us and even if the Israelis were to attack an American naval ship. Oh, they already did that, my bad (USS Liberty.)
And ugh @ me for coming back to this broke down thread. NO MORE from me. Promise.
oulefty 01-23-2010, 02:12 PM Racial or Religious profiling is it necessary? I am totally against racial profiling. Just because you do not like or trust a person for whatever reason it should never be based on the color of their skin. Being a white male, there a plenty of white people I do not like or associate with. The same goes for Asian, Black, Latino and all other races. I do not judge people by their race.
I/We as people (should) either like or dislike people based upon our experiences with one another. If someone disrespects (in any form) you it is your right not to associate with that person but; it is not right to judge the whole race on that basis. I believe racism is a learned environment.
Now when it comes National Security that is a different story. We have all races of people in this country all of which have and are making us the best country in the world. Our enemy in the world today is not of race but; they do come from one main area of the world.
They are Muslim terrorists. They are cowards because they only deal in ambush tactics. Our brave soldiers are in plain site and Muslim terrorists do not have the guts to do the same. Does that mean we should judge all Muslim’s because of the terrorist Muslim’s, of course not. Should we allow non citizen Muslim’s in and out of this country without some sort of background investigation, the answer is no. If that is profiling then so be it.
I know this is a very sensitive subject, my intent is not to cast blame on all Muslim people, only Muslim terrorists. How do we protect this nation from Muslim terrorist?
ray99 01-23-2010, 02:47 PM If you like, take a look a some stats concerning Muslems
For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil in the last 35 years, here’s what we could find:
Date Country City/State Killed Injured Description
4/14/1972 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1/19/1973 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
7/18/1973 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
10/19/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
10/29/1973 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
11/25/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/11/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
12/13/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to deah on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/20/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
12/22/1973 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
12/24/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1/24/1974 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
4/1/1974 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
4/16/1974 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
3/9/1977 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim fires on a vanload of Jewish boys, killing one.
3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
10/31/1999 USA Near Nantucket 217 0 An Egyptian airline pilot runs a planeload of 217 passengers into the water after uttering a Qur'anic prayer.
3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a religious revival, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 A Muslim man runs down five strangers with a car.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
10/6/2006 USA Louisville, KY 4 1 In an 'honor' attack, a Muslim man rapes and beats his estranged wife, leaving her for dead, then savagely murders their four children.
2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim with 'religious motives' shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center.
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
(3,309 killed by Muslims in America in 66 terror attacks)
mugofbeer 01-23-2010, 10:17 PM Racial or Religious profiling is it necessary? I am totally against racial profiling. Just because you do not like or trust a person for whatever reason it should never be based on the color of their skin. Being a white male, there a plenty of white people I do not like or associate with. The same goes for Asian, Black, Latino and all other races. I do not judge people by their race.
I/We as people (should) either like or dislike people based upon our experiences with one another. If someone disrespects (in any form) you it is your right not to associate with that person but; it is not right to judge the whole race on that basis. I believe racism is a learned environment.
Now when it comes National Security that is a different story. We have all races of people in this country all of which have and are making us the best country in the world. Our enemy in the world today is not of race but; they do come from one main area of the world.
They are Muslim terrorists. They are cowards because they only deal in ambush tactics. Our brave soldiers are in plain site and Muslim terrorists do not have the guts to do the same. Does that mean we should judge all Muslim’s because of the terrorist Muslim’s, of course not. Should we allow non citizen Muslim’s in and out of this country without some sort of background investigation, the answer is no. If that is profiling then so be it.
I know this is a very sensitive subject, my intent is not to cast blame on all Muslim people, only Muslim terrorists. How do we protect this nation from Muslim terrorist?
The problem is that in order to do the most effective job, you can't be politically correct. The safety of the traveling public should come before possibly "offending" someone and hurting their feelings. There are signs to look for that were missed in the case of the Christmas bomber - in retrospect it was a slam dunk he should have been removed and searched. However, the time will come when the normal signs will be covered over and methods of profiling will have to be used. These aren't stupid people. They'll adapt and take advantage of whatever loopholes they are given if they are intent on doing damage.
oulefty 01-23-2010, 11:44 PM Agree 100%. Well said.
dismayed 01-24-2010, 11:00 AM Profiling....
It's a question I've brought up in the Politics forum, and Midtowner alluded to it here... how does one profile for a specific religious belief? Think about it... if you're profiling national origin or something like that, then that is something you can get from the person's passport or point of departure. Religion is not listed on a passport. So what are you going to do... ask the big bad terrorist if he's a Muslim? And when he says no you let him go?
National origin may not be a good thing to base a profile on either. So far, we've had terrorist attempts from the Middle East (both "friendly" and "unfriendly" countries), London (the shoe bomber), America (not airplane related but there's of course Jose Padilla and also Walker), and Africa (the underwear bomber).
So I guess we could look for funny sounding Mid-East names. Did I mention Jose Padilla?
I'm actually starting to agree with the FBI... there may not be a good solid profile to go off of. At least not one that the government can document and examine. I think it probably comes down to more training for the TSA folks and giving them the authority to pull someone out of line and question them, even based on a "gut feeling" if need be.
kevinpate 01-24-2010, 02:32 PM fergitaboutit when considering whether to be politically correct or not.
Names, skin color, hair style, garb, that's feel good, fist pounding window dressing that's all in all useless.
Just one scenerio for consideration. A baddie decides to identify one shy, somewhat insecure laddie or lass. A baddie heaps a passle more attention on subject than he or she has ever received before, then persuades the mark to do a small favor, just for the thrill of it. A baddie then sets off small favor at appropriate time. Oh, by the by, the mark's name - billy joe whiteford or betty lou johnson or similar all american grew up all shy and quiet in the a/v club name.
Work that into a gotta fix things now profile pattern and see if you don't sit a tad more puckered before you next fly, hail a cab, sit in a diner, take an elevator, walk down a hallway, or attend an arena event.
It'd be a bit like reading Black Sunday the night before the Super Bowl.
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