View Full Version : Mark Shannon wants to pistol whip the Mayor
rcjunkie 12-09-2009, 12:09 AM On the drive home today he was promising to throw himself off of the top of 50 Penn Place tomorrow if MAPS passed tonight. Can't imagine the whining that's going to go on tomorrow.
Anyone up for another watch party!!!!!!!!!
Redskin 70 12-09-2009, 06:56 AM Anyone up for another watch party!!!!!!!!!
Well, his police and fire buddies will be there to stop him wont they.
Cant loose a valuable assett
kevinpate 12-09-2009, 07:06 AM Anyone up for another watch party!!!!!!!!!
Cold
In a freakin hilarious sort of way, but cold all the same
rcjunkie 12-09-2009, 07:20 AM Well, his police and fire buddies will be there to stop him wont they.
Cant loose a valuable assett
Probably not, his daily over top the ranting, raving and constant name calling more than likely sent a few voters to the other side.
Midtowner 12-09-2009, 07:50 AM Well, his police and fire buddies will be there to stop him wont they.
Cant loose a valuable assett
I dunno... when police and fire want their own tax hike, I wonder whether Shannon supports them or not.
I'm guessing not.
betts 12-09-2009, 08:07 AM I dunno... when police and fire want their own tax hike, I wonder whether Shannon supports them or not.
I'm guessing not.
That's what I'm thinking. As I said earlier, "politics makes for strange bedfellows". Now that the election is over, any new tax for police and firemen is a tax hike, which is anathema to him.
A quarter cent more for police and fire would still keep our taxes at a reasonable level, and I'd be all for that, but he may well not be.
kevinpate 12-09-2009, 08:37 AM A quarter cent more for police and fire would still keep our taxes at a reasonable level, and I'd be all for that, but he may well not be.
If a 1 cent sales tax extension for MAPs is projected to raiseat 100 million, then a 1/4 cent sales tax is roughly 25 mil.
Is there an actual need for a 25mil annual funding boost for public safety?
Perhaps there is, but perhaps not.
mugofbeer 12-09-2009, 01:15 PM There is already 1/8 or 1/4 cent sales tax dedicated to Police and Fire. That was instituted 15 or 20 years ago (possibly more).
andy157 12-09-2009, 01:23 PM There is already 1/8 or 1/4 cent sales tax dedicated to Police and Fire. That was instituted 15 or 20 years ago (possibly more).mugofbeer, there is 3/4 of a cent dedicated to P & F with each getting 1/2 it was voted in 6/20/1989
andy157 12-09-2009, 01:40 PM If a 1 cent sales tax extension for MAPs is projected to raiseat 100 million, then a 1/4 cent sales tax is roughly 25 mil.
Is there an actual need for a 25mil annual funding boost for public safety?
Perhaps there is, but perhaps not.Kevinpate, I believe if there were an additional 1/4 of a cent increase to the 3/4 making it a full penny, that the additional 1/4 cent should be dedicated and earmarked as capital project funding. That would free up the entire 3/4 of a cent for staffing which would be enough to fund not only the staffing levels mandated by the ordinance/ballot but possibly a few more if needed, but not many. Plus by D & E for capital there would not be a need for future G.O. Bond money. It's not that P & F get a huge portion of bond money but still. Between the 1.1 billion combined 2000, and 2007 bond deals Fire got 21 million, don't know about Police.
andy157 12-09-2009, 01:43 PM I dunno... when police and fire want their own tax hike, I wonder whether Shannon supports them or not.
I'm guessing not.Mid, right now Police and Fire are more concerned with just getting what the current tax calls for and what you are paying for, than they are getting an increase.
Midtowner 12-09-2009, 02:11 PM Mid, right now Police and Fire are more concerned with just getting what the current tax calls for and what you are paying for, than they are getting an increase.
I hear ya. It'd be interesting to know the City Manager's actual reason for not fully funding the city's obligations. Obviously something needs to be done. I'm sure that these vacation cuts and forced overtime issues are really putting some serious strain on the families of police and firefighters. Hopefully y'all can get whatever needs to be worked out taken care of in arbitration...
OkcMetal 12-09-2009, 07:17 PM Today Mark Shannon told Istook" I am going to grab my guns, and storm channel 4 and go crazy"!! Istook tried to talk him down, but later Markkk Shannon said " Iwasn't listening to a word he said'!! How will all this end?? Markkk Shannon threatens arson and terrorrism in our own state. I have contacted just about every authority figure I know. from our own DA to the secret service. How can this man be stopped before tragedy.?? How can a person get away with such threats??
RedDirt717 12-09-2009, 07:25 PM Today Mark Shannon told Istook" I am going to grab my guns, and storm channel 4 and go crazy"!! Istook tried to talk him down, but later Markkk Shannon said " Iwasn't listening to a word he said'!! How will all this end?? Markkk Shannon threatens arson and terrorrism in our own state. I have contacted just about every authority figure I know. from our own DA to the secret service. How can this man be stopped before tragedy.?? How can a person get away with such threats??
On a very serious note, the guy is dying which makes him capable of almost anything. Which is actually horrifying.
Midtowner 12-09-2009, 07:29 PM Meh.. the guy is on all kinds of painkiller right now. It's perfectly okay to say crazy. It's not okay to do crazy. Shannon is an entertainer through and through, and he's just playing to his audience.
RedDirt717 12-09-2009, 07:31 PM Meh.. the guy is on all kinds of painkiller right now. It's perfectly okay to say crazy. It's not okay to do crazy. Shannon is an entertainer through and through, and he's just playing to his audience.
All 42 of them.
betts 12-09-2009, 07:32 PM I don't know what he is dying of, but if it's cancer, maybe he has brain metastases. Or an electrolyte imbalance that is interfering with his power of reason. Maybe he's not in full command of his faculties.
Midtowner 12-09-2009, 07:34 PM All 42 of them.
I'm going to have to draw the line at making fun of someone's cancer.
For some reason, my moral compass is pointing south on that one.
rcjunkie 12-09-2009, 07:44 PM I listend to parts of his show today, mainly to see if he would/could graciously accept defeat (I know, dumb on my part).
One thing I did here is his thanking a new sponsor for supporting his show, and not bowing down to any pressure. The new sponsor is the Ada Electric Car Co., which I'm sure is a very good and honest business, however, they specialize in an small electric car that's street legal and has a top speed of 25 miles. The buyer of this electric car qualifys for reimbursement from the State and Federal Government's, meaning people that have the money to buy one, get all or most of their money back from the Government (tax dollars), something he's been screaming about the MAPS3 backers of doing, and using it as one of his reasons for voting no. I think they call that a hypocrite.
For those that haven't heard, he didn't jump.
decepticobra 12-09-2009, 07:47 PM KATT? really?
You'd think that the average KATT listener has the ability to hook up an MP3 player or XM/Sirius player and bypass all the corporate-hand-fed music you're limited to with KATT
but..if you subscribe to xm/sirius arent you in turn giving money to a "corporation" and allowing them to hand-feed you music via satellite?. sounds like a complete circle to me.
purplemonkeythief 12-09-2009, 07:50 PM but..if you subscribe to xm/sirius arent you in turn giving money to a "corporation" and allowing them to hand-feed you music via satellite?. sounds like a complete circle to me.
just ignore what i said
it's been made clear to me by many of you that i don't belong here and everything i post is BS and I'm just making things up in random threads to appear as if I'm trying to contribute to the forum.
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Midtowner 12-09-2009, 07:56 PM message received
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
soonerguru 12-09-2009, 07:58 PM I'm going to have to draw the line at making fun of someone's cancer.
For some reason, my moral compass is pointing south on that one.
You're bigger man than Mark, then, because he would probably go with it.
rcjunkie 12-09-2009, 07:59 PM just ignore what i said
it's been made clear to me by many of you that i don't belong here and everything i post is BS and I'm just making things up in random threads to appear as if I'm trying to contribute to the forum.
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See you in 7 1/2 years during the MAPS4 campaign
soonerguru 12-09-2009, 08:00 PM See you in 7 1/2 years during the MAPS4 campaign
:yourock:
rcjunkie 12-09-2009, 08:03 PM He was also talking about the Mayors weight loos, said it was probably lap band surgery, talking about how bad his hair plugs looked, and said it looks like he's had more work done and he's starting to look like Nancy Pelosi. He is really taking his hatred to the extreme.
One last thing, he had a female caller asking him if he had heard that the City was flying the Mayor to New York at least once a week to go to some college so that he could finish his Master's degree. NO, I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP. Will it ever stop!!
dismayed 12-09-2009, 08:19 PM I don't know what he is dying of, but if it's cancer, maybe he has brain metastases. Or an electrolyte imbalance that is interfering with his power of reason. Maybe he's not in full command of his faculties.
He has said on air before that he has an advanced-stage leukemia.
Midtowner 12-09-2009, 08:25 PM You're bigger man than Mark, then, because he would probably go with it.
Maybe, maybe not.
Like I said, the guy's an entertainer. Take what he says with a grain of salt.
Really, he's got a fairly luxurious point of view right now. He's a member of the media (sort of) and he can burn any damn bridge he wants to without worrying about ever having another interview with that person again. If he's trying to get an interview with you, stay the hell away because this guy won't pull punches.
It's kind of sad that imminent death is the only thing that can get members of the media to worry about burning bridges by reporting what they see as the truth. (and to the members of the media who read this, I say that with love).
soonerguru 12-09-2009, 08:30 PM Maybe, maybe not.
Like I said, the guy's an entertainer. Take what he says with a grain of salt.
Really, he's got a fairly luxurious point of view right now. He's a member of the media (sort of) and he can burn any damn bridge he wants to without worrying about ever having another interview with that person again. If he's trying to get an interview with you, stay the hell away because this guy won't pull punches.
It's kind of sad that imminent death is the only thing that can get members of the media to worry about burning bridges by reporting what they see as the truth. (and to the members of the media who read this, I say that with love).
Oh, trust me, he'd find a way to make it "just entertainment," and then if there were public outcry his ultra-sensitive listeners would go off on a rant about how everyone is just "too sensitive" these days and should just accept his cancer jokes as the harmless entertainment they represent.
Midtowner 12-09-2009, 08:32 PM Maybe... but he's on pain meds and has mere months of life left. That's a hell of an excuse in my book.
soonerguru 12-09-2009, 08:45 PM Maybe... but he's on pain meds and has mere months of life left. That's a hell of an excuse in my book.
If I were on my death bed, I wouldn't constantly take a dump on other people, but that's just me. Perhaps he'll enjoy every last minute of his misanthropy until he expires.
Midtowner 12-09-2009, 08:49 PM If I were on my death bed, I wouldn't constantly take a dump on other people, but that's just me. Perhaps he'll enjoy every last minute of his misanthropy until he expires.
I guess until you're there, you just don't know.
I'm just asking that you don't judge a dying man too harshly.
Our side won. I'm just hoping to do so gracefully.
soonerguru 12-09-2009, 08:51 PM I guess until you're there, you just don't know.
I'm just asking that you don't judge a dying man too harshly.
Our side won. I'm just hoping to do so gracefully.
My feelings on Shannon have nothing to do with MAPS. They're mostly related to the fact that he's a dick.
RedDirt717 12-09-2009, 08:52 PM I'm going to have to draw the line at making fun of someone's cancer.
For some reason, my moral compass is pointing south on that one.
All 42 of his listeners....
How is that making fun of his cancer?
Midtowner 12-09-2009, 08:53 PM All 42 of his listeners....
How is that making fun of his cancer?
Must've missed your point.
I was one of his listeners today... so the other 41?
bluedogok 12-09-2009, 09:00 PM He always acted like this, just not as extreme on the radio. He is just pushing it to the edge now that he "has nothing to lose". Before he was always concerned about losing his job, now he doesn't care.
My feelings on Shannon have nothing to do with MAPS. They're mostly related to the fact that he's a dick.
Pretty much sums up my opinion and that was formed over 20 years ago well before the circumstances that he is living with now. I just hope that he reconciles whatever it is that has caused him to be a jerk his entire adult life before he passes.
jbrown84 12-09-2009, 09:03 PM Shannon is an entertainer through and through, and he's just playing to his audience.
The thing is, Shannon may not be serious about these threats, but he's just egging on listeners who might actually do it.
I liked Mark Shannon when he was on 107.7 in the mornings. He was kind of a dick, and he'd go on rants, but I didn't see him as really any different than Rush Limbaugh or Dennis Miller, both of whom I'd listen to occasionally because I thought they were funny. I've heard him maybe once since then, but didn't know he'd degenerated to this. It's pretty sad, really. I guess I always thought his on-air persona was kind of an act. Guess not.
Slivermoon 12-10-2009, 08:19 PM I met him years ago and the guy's a loser with a tremendous and un-deserved ego, plain and simple. Unfortunately there are some sheep that will follow any fool right off the edge of a cliff.
His pervasive spewing forth of self-serving, baseless, borderline hate-mongering nonsense serves only as fuel for his own delusions of grandeur. His "blogs" demonstrate no more than a disturbed, bitter, selfish, soulless, un-repenting and insincere individual.
I’m sorry you are the way you are Mark Shannon, but you hold no sway over me and mine. We choose the way we live, not you.
LordGerald 12-10-2009, 08:56 PM I liked Mark Shannon when he was on 107.7 in the mornings. He was kind of a dick, and he'd go on rants, but I didn't see him as really any different than Rush Limbaugh or Dennis Miller, both of whom I'd listen to occasionally because I thought they were funny. I've heard him maybe once since then, but didn't know he'd degenerated to this. It's pretty sad, really. I guess I always thought his on-air persona was kind of an act. Guess not.
It is an act. I am a bleeding heart left of center liberal and I know Mark "Shannon." He, at one time, many, many moons ago, was a man that I considered a friend and looked up to. I still consider him a friend. He is a good man, who created a radio persona to make a living. I am sad that he is sick. He and his wife have always been friendly and gracious to me.
I've always considered him to be a good guy, and my group of friends, whom he hung out with in the mid-1980s always enjoyed his company. He has always been fair to me. I've been a guest on his radio show(s) three times, and always appreciated his candor and honesty. I am disappointed in his latest schtick, but feel that he has (mostly) been true to himself. I understand what he is doing, and I want OKCtalk forum folks to lay off and let him do his thing. It's just for show. That's entertainment, folks, and you all are talking about it. LG
Mikemarsh51 12-10-2009, 09:00 PM I thought there was no name calling on here. Can you say dick on here?
PennyQuilts 12-10-2009, 09:19 PM just ignore what i said
it's been made clear to me by many of you that i don't belong here and everything i post is BS and I'm just making things up in random threads to appear as if I'm trying to contribute to the forum.
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Oh come on. Purple, just calm down, let things settle and all will be well.
betts 12-10-2009, 09:45 PM It is an act. I am a bleeding heart left of center liberal and I know Mark "Shannon." He, at one time, many, many moons ago, was a man that I considered a friend and looked up to. I still consider him a friend. He is a good man, who created a radio persona to make a living. I am sad that he is sick. He and his wife have always been friendly and gracious to me.
I've always considered him to be a good guy, and my group of friends, whom he hung out with in the mid-1980s always enjoyed his company. He has always been fair to me. I've been a guest on his radio show(s) three times, and always appreciated his candor and honesty. I am disappointed in his latest schtick, but feel that he has (mostly) been true to himself. I understand what he is doing, and I want OKCtalk forum folks to lay off and let him do his thing. It's just for show. That's entertainment, folks, and you all are talking about it. LG
Lord Gerald, it's illegal to make threats against your president, even if insincere. I really don't think anyone should be making threats against the mayor either. Even if it is a schtick, there are people out there who don't have the ability to distinguish between real and a persona, and, since he's whipping up people on the fringe, it has the potential to cause significant problems. I'm really sorry he's sick, but at that point in my life, I'd be making peace with my life and everyone in my world, not potentially creating disharmony, at best.
soonerguru 12-10-2009, 10:13 PM Lord Gerald, it's illegal to make threats against your president, even if insincere. I really don't think anyone should be making threats against the mayor either. Even if it is a schtick, there are people out there who don't have the ability to distinguish between real and a persona, and, since he's whipping up people on the fringe, it has the potential to cause significant problems. I'm really sorry he's sick, but at that point in my life, I'd be making peace with my life and everyone in my world, not potentially creating disharmony, at best.
Yes.
kevinpate 12-11-2009, 06:44 AM I thought there was no name calling on here. Can you say dick on here?
one could always substitute King Richard the 1st Syndrome should one be inclined to refer to another as a pompous dick
Mikemarsh51 12-11-2009, 04:34 PM I prefer Richard Noggin as a substitute.
SkyWestOKC 12-13-2009, 07:03 PM I met Mark Shannon at the OKC Tax Tea Party. He is a great guy, you must understand that these "threats" (I don't even consider them threats) are 1 dimensional. [to you] They look like a threat, feel like a threat, and have depth.
When you go to the doctor, the doctor names off every severe thing you can think of, and makes the situation (in this case, the "threat") worse than it is -- to get you to LISTEN! The doctor I see every 6 months says words that absolutely scare me to death when I am in his room, he does that so I know my condition is serious enough to pay attention, but not life threatening.
Mark uses the same methods -- he says these things so you will understand the gravity of the situation (from his point of view) and to capture the audience.
There is a reason conservative talk radio has such a high listener ship. The majority of Americans are conservative, whether you want to accept that or not.
I am a listener of Mark, I personally know at least 42 others who are, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. Your estimates on his listeners might be a bit off.
gmwise 12-13-2009, 07:31 PM ....
There is a reason conservative talk radio has such a high listener ship. The majority of Americans are conservative, whether you want to accept that or not.
I am a listener of Mark (Rush), ...Your estimates on his listeners might be a bit off.
Naw its spot on..
soonerguru 12-13-2009, 07:33 PM The majority of Americans are conservative, whether you want to accept that or not.
This is not correct.
About 40 percent of Americans are self-described conservatives, another 30 percent self-described liberal, and the balance consider themselves to be moderate.
And this is somewhat generational as well. The coming Y generation considers itself to be much more liberal than any generation in decades.
The number of Americans who actually tune in to right-wing rant radio is around 20 million in total -- out of 350 million citizens. It is a niche market to say the least.
mburlison 12-13-2009, 08:10 PM Young people always say they are 'liberal' ... lots of times that changes.
mugofbeer 12-13-2009, 11:09 PM Usually when they start to draw a paycheck and see how much is taken out of it before they get the final pay.
rcjunkie 12-13-2009, 11:49 PM He's not a Newstalk radio show host!!
He's not a radio show disc jockey
He's an entertainer
His views change with the wind, just listen to his radio show and read his web site, he is so inconsistent with his views and opinions and will change his stance to fit any given situation.
As I have mentionerd before, he lost any credability when he constantly talks about having the #1 Rated Local and Live Afternoon News Talk Radio Show, while he never mentions that he has the ONLY LOCAL LIVE AFTEROON NEWS TALK RADIO SHOW.
gmwise 12-14-2009, 03:21 AM He's not a Newstalk radio show host!!
He's not a radio show disc jockey
He's an entertainer
His views change with the wind, just listen to his radio show and read his web site, he is so inconsistent with his views and opinions and will change his stance to fit any given situation.
As I have mentionerd before, he lost any credability when he constantly talks about having the #1 Rated Local and Live Afternoon News Talk Radio Show, while he never mentions that he has the ONLY LOCAL LIVE AFTEROON NEWS TALK RADIO SHOW.
Now see you discovered the "curtain" in which teabaggers,birthers and deniers is about they denounce just about anything but you cant get a solution suggestion out of them.
Generals64 12-14-2009, 04:24 PM Man, you guys have more fun than should be allowed on this thread////See ya....
SkyWestOKC 12-14-2009, 04:37 PM Now see you discovered the "curtain" in which teabaggers,birthers and deniers is about they denounce just about anything but you cant get a solution suggestion out of them.
We have offered many solutions. The main one being:
Big Brother Government, get out of my way and let me earn my own money and provide for my family.
Others include but are not limited to:
Shrink government; allow more free enterprise; lower spending; lower taxes (assuming lower spending); stop corruption; lower national debt.
That is not saying we are to rob banks, but we are SICK of the government interfering in everything we do. We want the government to do what it is designed to do: provide and protect individual freedom, allow free enterprise, keep us safe, and to get out of the way when we want to make our own living.
Why should the government and those who feed off of it be rewarded by taking the fruits of my labor? I don't mind government programs to those who are old and sick. But a person who is capable, but just not willing, to find work, or find a way to legally make their own money is not deserving of my money.
It is not unfair, it is a fair system: work and be rewarded, don't work (unless you are not capable of work (old, extremely sick, etc.)) and you are not rewarded.
Fair does not mean everyone gets the same, fair means everyone has an equal playing field. The system we have is fair if the government keeps out of the way, just let people do what they do best: make an honest living, don't tax the hell out of them.
Also the name calling is getting old. Call us conservative, not teabaggers, birthers, and deniers. I enjoyed the OKC Tea Party...great to see some real people who don't try to feel better then everyone by feeling "Enlightened" by their Ph.D. but have never turned a wrench or broke a sweat working in their lifetime.
Let me slide the soap box back under the desk.
This is not correct.
About 40 percent of Americans are self-described conservatives, another 30 percent self-described liberal, and the balance consider themselves to be moderate.
I'd agree with that. I do need to amend my original statement though, as that is not what I was getting at. It should read: Most of American's vote conservative to moderately conservative. I think that is a true statement. Most American's are not in favor of this liberal spending, soaring national debt (thanks Bush and Obama), takeover of banks and car companies, and the continuous printing of money used to monetize the debt.
soonerguru 12-14-2009, 04:44 PM We have offered many solutions. The main one being:
Big Brother Government, get out of my way and let me earn my own money and provide for my family.
Others include but are not limited to:
Shrink government; allow more free enterprise; lower spending; lower taxes (assuming lower spending); stop corruption; lower national debt.
That is not saying we are to rob banks, but we are SICK of the government interfering in everything we do. We want the government to do what it is designed to do: provide and protect individual freedom, allow free enterprise, keep us safe, and to get out of the way when we want to make our own living.
Why should the government and those who feed off of it be rewarded by taking the fruits of my labor? I don't mind government programs to those who are old and sick. But a person who is capable, but just not willing, to find work, or find a way to legally make their own money is not deserving of my money.
It is not unfair, it is a fair system: work and be rewarded, don't work (unless you are not capable of work (old, extremely sick, etc.)) and you are not rewarded.
Fair does not mean everyone gets the same, fair means everyone has an equal playing field. The system we have is fair if the government keeps out of the way, just let people do what they do best: make an honest living, don't tax the hell out of them.
Also the name calling is getting old. Call us conservative, not teabaggers, birthers, and deniers. I enjoyed the OKC Tea Party...great to see some real people who don't try to feel better then everyone by feeling "Enlightened" by their Ph.D. but have never turned a wrench or broke a sweat working in their lifetime.
Let me slide the soap box back under the desk.
I'd agree with that. I do need to amend my original statement though, as that is not what I was getting at. It should read: Most of American's vote conservative to moderately conservative. I think that is a true statement. Most American's are not in favor of this liberal spending, soaring national debt (thanks Bush and Obama), takeover of banks and car companies, and the continuous printing of money used to monetize the debt.
You may be stretching it a bit too far. It's true that most Americans were opposed to the bank bailout, but now TARP funds are being repaid. It's also true that the stimulus added somewhat to the debt, but doing nothing probably would have been worse. It's also true that more than half of Americans approve of Obama, and fewer than 35 percent approve of the Republican Party's approach, so it's not like the public agrees with Mark Shannon at the moment.
I agree that if at the end of his first term Obama is not able to show improvement in the debt and economy, he may suffer at the ballot box. But I just read an article last night in Newsweek mentioning the fact the economy is growing faster than any economists predicted, indicating that while imperfect, the stimulus is having some positive effects.
And if we can rein in healthcare costs (not easy), we might be able to see a lessening of the debt.
But I doubt you and I would agree on the prescriptions! lol
SkyWestOKC 12-14-2009, 04:55 PM More than half? LOL Did you pull that number out of your ass? Poll after poll has indicated for the past several weeks that his approval ratings have been less than 50%!
Also, the vote for B.O. was a vote against Bush. Bush screwed us over in his last term, especially near the end. The independents pulled for Obama because he promised change -- they were not expecting this type of change. I do not recognize this country from this time last year. A complete 180°.
RealClearPolitics - RealClearPolitics Poll Averages (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/)
Average of all the listed polls is 48.4% Approve / 45.4% Disapprove.
Gallup has him at 48% Approve and 42% Disapprove.
Gallup.Com - Daily News, Polls, Public Opinion on Government, Politics, Economics, Management (http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx)
Also, I do not consider myself a Republican, they are just as bad as the Democrats most of the time. People have lost faith in politicians. Hopefully 2010 will restore some trust when we vote some people out of office and get some change back to how it was before this massive expansion of government.
soonerguru 12-14-2009, 05:24 PM More than half? LOL Did you pull that number out of your ass? Poll after poll has indicated for the past several weeks that his approval ratings have been less than 50%!
Also, the vote for B.O. was a vote against Bush. Bush screwed us over in his last term, especially near the end. The independents pulled for Obama because he promised change -- they were not expecting this type of change. I do not recognize this country from this time last year. A complete 180°.
RealClearPolitics - RealClearPolitics Poll Averages (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/)
Average of all the listed polls is 48.4% Approve / 45.4% Disapprove.
Gallup has him at 48% Approve and 42% Disapprove.
Gallup.Com - Daily News, Polls, Public Opinion on Government, Politics, Economics, Management (http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx)
Also, I do not consider myself a Republican, they are just as bad as the Democrats most of the time. People have lost faith in politicians. Hopefully 2010 will restore some trust when we vote some people out of office and get some change back to how it was before this massive expansion of government.
OK, I was sourcing Survey 2000, which was the most accurate pollster during the election. I realize these polls differ and that even Gallup's daily tracking poll differs from other polls and surveys it conducts.
One of the things you don't mention is the regional variation of the polling on Obama. In places like Oklahoma and the South, he is doing poorly (is this surprising?). However, in places like the Midwest, West, Southwest and Northeast, his numbers are very high. If you take the South out of the mix, he is off the charts.
For what it's worth, I don't expect Obama to carry the South in the next election, as it is the only region of the country that gives any support to Republicans.
I voted for the guy and I'm willing to give him a chance. I may be wrong in the end but for now I'm behind him.
RedDirt717 12-14-2009, 05:38 PM OK, I was sourcing Survey 2000, which was the most accurate pollster during the election. I realize these polls differ and that even Gallup's daily tracking poll differs from other polls and surveys it conducts.
One of the things you don't mention is the regional variation of the polling on Obama. In places like Oklahoma and the South, he is doing poorly (is this surprising?). However, in places like the Midwest, West, Southwest and Northeast, his numbers are very high. If you take the South out of the mix, he is off the charts.
For what it's worth, I don't expect Obama to carry the South in the next election, as it is the only region of the country that gives any support to Republicans.
I voted for the guy and I'm willing to give him a chance. I may be wrong in the end but for now I'm behind him.
Actually Rasmussen was most accurate in the last election cycle, and they have Obama at 44% approval.
http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%2 0election.pdf
soonerguru 12-14-2009, 05:42 PM Actually Rasmussen was most accurate in the last election cycle, and they have Obama at 44% approval.
http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%2 0election.pdf
Rasmussen constantly changes its party ID. Since the election they have boosted GOP ID in the polling surveys. They have about a six point house effect, as their party ID is not matched by any other data and any other pollster.
I know a lot of you guys are hoping and praying for Obama's failure, but he will be the odds-on favorite to be reelected, particularly if Sarah Palin is the GOP nominee.
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