maestro6
09-17-2010, 08:57 AM
Speaking of floor-numbering issues, I hope Devon will strike a blow against superstition and will have a numbered 13th floor, unlike so many other skyscrapers around the country.
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maestro6 09-17-2010, 08:57 AM Speaking of floor-numbering issues, I hope Devon will strike a blow against superstition and will have a numbered 13th floor, unlike so many other skyscrapers around the country. jmarkross 09-17-2010, 09:08 AM Speaking of floor-numbering issues, I hope Devon will strike a blow against superstition and will have a numbered 13th floor, unlike so many other skyscrapers around the country. I suspect they will not...superstition rules...and leasing that floor in years to come by anyone would be needlessly difficult. Blame horror movies and people like Stephen King...it is a curious thing though...in this day and age this still goes on... Thunder 09-17-2010, 09:10 AM I am sure Devon will be professional and maintain the 13th floor. jmarkross 09-17-2010, 09:11 AM Yeah, what would be the point of Devon keeping it a secret if they were going to make it taller. Its not like their having a skyscraper race with another tower like the 1930's. Unless it was the plan...all along... jmarkross 09-17-2010, 09:13 AM I am sure Devon will be professional and maintain the 13th floor. Point taken--it will soon be known...I am for 13th, thus--reality, but we shall see which concept wins out... redrunner 09-17-2010, 09:15 AM I am sure Devon will be professional and maintain the 13th floor. Riiighttt....Your taste in being professional includes a lit flame on top of the tower to show the world how plentiful our natural gas is in addition to a light show for every holiday and sporting event. ndmoore 09-17-2010, 10:08 AM There is a miniature 2nd floor, kind of like the Chase building. You can access the 2nd floor in the chase building with the elevators and you will be able to do the same in the Devon Tower. So with that being said, they have put glass on the 3rd floor, started putting glass on the 4th floor and they are working on the 12th floor at the top. I am guessing there will be a 13th floor. jmarkross 09-17-2010, 10:15 AM There is a miniature 2nd floor, kind of like the Chase building. You can access the 2nd floor in the chase building with the elevators and you will be able to do the same in the Devon Tower. So with that being said, they have put glass on the 3rd floor, started putting glass on the 4th floor and they are working on the 12th floor at the top. I am guessing there will be a 13th floor. I think ndmoore knows his stuff. I will take his word for it. 12th floor is underway. The outside view of the high first-floor fooled me...and when it opens the second floor will be obvious once inside... OKC@heart 09-17-2010, 10:25 AM There is a miniature 2nd floor, kind of like the Chase building. You can access the 2nd floor in the chase building with the elevators and you will be able to do the same in the Devon Tower. So with that being said, they have put glass on the 3rd floor, started putting glass on the 4th floor and they are working on the 12th floor at the top. I am guessing there will be a 13th floor. Yeah often this second miniature floor is called a mezzanine and not given the full floor status, however in this case I think they are giving it the full 2nd floor status in that the floor continues and engages the 2nd Floor of the Podium building north of the tower. There really isn't any way for them to name the floors without great confusion once the building is in operation. So again I agree that they are currently working on the 12th floor and that the 13th floor will be the floor plate that will exceed the horizon line as viewed from the Web Cam. jmarkross 09-17-2010, 10:30 AM Yeah often this second miniature floor is called a mezanine and not given the full floor status, however in this case I think they are giving it the full 2nd floor status in that the floor continues and engages the 2nd Floor of the Podium building north of the tower. There really isn't any way for them to name the floors without great confusion once the building is in operation. So again I agree that they are currently working on the 12th floor and that the 13th floor will be the floor plate that will exceed the horizon line as viewed from the Web Cam. Mezzanine...interesting word. I ran into it as a kid when I first rode my bike to the OU campus and went into the Student Union Building...and saw "mezzanine" mentioned. I suppose since there, the lobby is two stories, it qualified under the concept...see this link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezzanine_%28architecture%29 OKCisOK4me 09-17-2010, 10:53 AM Unless it is somewhere I can't see...I don't understand the confusion behind the floor numbering. The only glass I see on the camera is on floors 2 and 3... Do people keep counting the first floor as 2 floors? Think of it this way.. The Podium building is 5 stories tall. The 21' clearance floors top is a level above that, meaning that is the 6th floor. If you count down on the main building then the level above the exposed columns is the 3rd floor, so on and so forth... hipsterdoofus 09-17-2010, 11:12 AM Think of it this way.. The Podium building is 5 stories tall. The 21' clearance floors top is a level above that, meaning that is the 6th floor. If you count down on the main building then the level above the exposed columns is the 3rd floor, so on and so forth... Well I guess my confusion is in if the "second floor" is really being counted as a floor or yes, as a mezzanine of sorts - if it is listed as mezzanine (such as in the elevators) then the floor following would be classified as 2 I would assume - I believe this is the way the BOK building is set up. jn1780 09-17-2010, 12:25 PM Well I guess my confusion is in if the "second floor" is really being counted as a floor or yes, as a mezzanine of sorts - if it is listed as mezzanine (such as in the elevators) then the floor following would be classified as 2 I would assume - I believe this is the way the BOK building is set up. Someone said Devon was calling the mezzanine floor the second floor. I don't know what the actual definition of a mezzanine floor is, but I think you can consider this level being more of a "second level transfer floor". People coming from the main tower elevators can either walk to the second floor of the north podium building or walk to the west building by utilizing the elevated walkways of the atrium. So I imagine the elevators would list this floor as 2. OKCisOK4me 09-17-2010, 02:41 PM Well I guess my confusion is in if the "second floor" is really being counted as a floor or yes, as a mezzanine of sorts - if it is listed as mezzanine (such as in the elevators) then the floor following would be classified as 2 I would assume - I believe this is the way the BOK building is set up. I can picture the bank of buttons in the elevators being in either of these orders: B(asement), G(round), M(ezzanine), 3, etc., or B, G, 2, 3, etc. holm1231 09-17-2010, 02:49 PM I was also confused about the floor numbering. i used to believe that the first floor was just one large floor and where the windows are, were on the second. but take a look at unforsakins video and look at the workers elevator. You will see the number for the floors beside each level, and the the floor with the windows all around is considered the third floor. So i stand corrected and they are have way threw with the 12th floor and is laying the pillars and flooring on the NE side of the 13th floor. Fly on the Wall 09-17-2010, 04:51 PM I think the questioning about the floor numbers is moot. When viewing the building from the SW, they have the floors labeled on the service elevator side of the building. The floor above the mezzanine level is labeled the 3rd floor, 4th above that and so forth. Fly on the Wall 09-17-2010, 06:19 PM I was also confused about the floor numbering. i used to believe that the first floor was just one large floor and where the windows are, were on the second. but take a look at unforsakins video and look at the workers elevator. You will see the number for the floors beside each level, and the the floor with the windows all around is considered the third floor. So i stand corrected and they are have way threw with the 12th floor and is laying the pillars and flooring on the NE side of the 13th floor. Oops. Some how I missed your post about the elevators having the numbers posted. You already had that pointed out. Platemaker 09-17-2010, 08:17 PM http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/Platemaker_photos/Photo0813.jpg Pete 09-17-2010, 09:11 PM Very cool Platemaker! Shows how translucent that glass is going to be as opposed to the mirror-glass used in lots of buildings in the 80's. Thunder 09-17-2010, 10:12 PM Is it really going to be that clear at night to see thru all that concrete? Platemaker 09-17-2010, 10:26 PM The glass panes that line up with the floors are mirrored... the rest of the glass is clear. OKC@heart 09-17-2010, 10:48 PM Thunder the glass is as transparent as it appears in the image that platemaker took, however you will not see the structure of the building, because they will have installed a ceiling and that will align with the bottom of the darkened windows that are what we call spandrel glass. Spandrel glass has a coating that does not allow for any transparency so it can obscure the view of the floors and mechanical that hangs below them. The glass that is being used has a special series of coatings. It has at least two panes of 1/4" glass with a 1/2" airspace between it. Depending on the thermal performance that they are needing the space can be filled with gas and the glass will has coatings that will reflect the UV rays according to the design performance requirements. More recently there have been improved coatings that allow for a high degree of transparency with lower light levels but that are reflective and seem very mirror like in the most intense light. Look at the Web cam in the early morning and you can see into the building relatively easily. After about 11:00 and on into the afternoon, it seems completely mirrored, and then at night with light from within it again appears transparent. That was a great photo Platemaker thanks a ton for taking it! I had been wondering how far they had gotten with the 4th floor glazing and that answered that! ljbab728 09-18-2010, 12:05 AM I suspect they will not...superstition rules...and leasing that floor in years to come by anyone would be needlessly difficult. Blame horror movies and people like Stephen King...it is a curious thing though...in this day and age this still goes on... I doubt that Devon is too worried about leasing out that floor in years to come since they're going to be using the entire building themselves. metro 09-18-2010, 07:09 AM Is it really going to be that clear at night to see thru all that concrete? Yes even the bathrooms. OKCisOK4me 09-18-2010, 09:37 AM ^^^lol, Metro. The cores have officially broken the tree line from my vantage point just west of Portland on a industrial street I use as a shortcut between NW 39th & NW 36th Streets! oncendone 09-18-2010, 10:20 AM That was a great photo Platemaker thanks a ton for taking it! I had been wondering how far they had gotten with the 4th floor glazing and that answered that! Question on the windows, looking at some of the close-ups, how durable or strong are the fins? I was just wondering about how they will clean the windows, we have all seen the power scaffolds that are used to clean windows on high rise buildings, and they travel up and down against the glass. OUGrad05 09-18-2010, 01:20 PM Glad to see it will be dark/clear glass not the mirror glass. Can you imagine the glare coming off a building that large? Would be a driving hazard for anyone within 30 miles of the metro lol Troypin 09-18-2010, 04:06 PM Can anyone get any good pictures of the podium? I've been wondering whats going on over there. Thank you for anybody that can do that! jn1780 09-18-2010, 04:21 PM Can anyone get any good pictures of the podium? I've been wondering whats going on over there. Thank you for anybody that can do that! They were pouring first floor columns when I drove by there a couple of days ago. dmoor82 09-18-2010, 08:00 PM Yes even the bathrooms. Ohh like City Bites! LOL! Thunder 09-18-2010, 09:51 PM Ohh like City Bites! LOL! Their windows isn't that good. If you look thru the window very closely, you can still see the guy in there standing to pee. Oh the good ole days. OKC@heart 09-18-2010, 11:19 PM Question on the windows, looking at some of the close-ups, how durable or strong are the fins? I was just wondering about how they will clean the windows, we have all seen the power scaffolds that are used to clean windows on high rise buildings, and they travel up and down against the glass. It is a common misunderstanding that the window washing rigs run down the side of the building while making full contact with the windows. They are actually supported by booms that are anchored and swung out over the side of the building in such a manner that the rig is not far from the side but does not rest against the glazing. There are rigs that have a protective wheels to cushion any impact against the side of the building so as not to cause any damage. I would assume that they had carefully planned this out as several other of Pickard Chilton's buildings also employ the vertical glass fins. One Main Place in Houston just now nearing completion has the same although a slightly different application but there nonetheless. As far as the fins strength, can't answer because I don't know, the design criteria, or the exact material even. But hopefully they will be strong enough to take some of the massive hits that we can get from large hailstones! 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I hope nobody minded that. But it is kinda cool to watch a sort of reverse time lapse as you scroll down. kinggober 09-19-2010, 07:55 AM As far as I could tell when I saw it in person, the fins looked to be made of a wire mesh type material. Ill look through my pics and try and find a close-up oncendone 09-19-2010, 09:35 AM Sorry.... ok... I hope nobody minded that. But it is kinda cool to watch a sort of reverse time lapse as you scroll down.Thanks for the walk down memory lane. A really cool reverse time lapse. jn1780 09-19-2010, 10:29 AM Wow, a lot of progress for one year. Lauri101 09-19-2010, 11:15 AM Sorry.... ok... I hope nobody minded that. But it is kinda cool to watch a sort of reverse time lapse as you scroll down. that was a great trip down a mini-memory lane - thanks Platemaker! UnFrSaKn 09-19-2010, 03:17 PM In case anyone missed it. http://vimeo.com/15042811 Pete 09-19-2010, 03:46 PM Awesome video! Thanks so much. This is a screen capture that shows the fins on the glass. What is the purpose of these? Are they purely decorative? Will they contain lighting elements? http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/devon/glass1.jpg Platemaker 09-19-2010, 03:50 PM They contain lighting... seriously impressive lighting. Platemaker 09-19-2010, 03:51 PM Today. http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/Platemaker_photos/Devon%20Tower/Photo0826.jpg kinggober 09-19-2010, 04:26 PM As always, more here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53062852@N00/) http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/5005345647_7e00aec321_b.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4107/5005961532_b2e1026c17_b.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5005960788_43b7d1d276_b.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/5005347983_2dda09d0ec_b.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5005958572_23f9ea8598_b.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/5005351577_73b56fea86_b.jpg therondo 09-19-2010, 04:54 PM Awesome pics kinggober! Thanks for posting!!! gen70 09-19-2010, 07:12 PM Awesome pics kinggober! Thanks for posting!!! What he said.. And thanks to everyone who posts pics.. OKCisOK4me 09-20-2010, 12:15 PM Definitely sweet pics by all who are taking them. In regards to crane #2, didn't someone say on here that it was suppose to rise this weekend? I am supremely disappointed in the fact that it didn't. Your source is lame... OKC@heart 09-20-2010, 12:25 PM Yeah the Tower #2 can't operate much longer if they anticipate keeping the pace, It will have to raise this week. I did notice that the Constuction elevator did rise over the weekend, so maybe there was some confusion on that? Who knows all I know is that they cannot raise the core more than once more without moving it and right now as it is I don't see how they can operate safely without raising is soon (due to field of view being obstructed by the cores themselves). Anyway I wouldn't worry too much about it as it will go up when it is intended to. I did notice that the Cam is stuck with the shot from 11:01AM this morning. dedndcrusr 09-20-2010, 12:35 PM I also noticed from kinggober's pictures that crane #2 hasn't been anchored to the building in any way. I would think the crane would need to be anchored before it can go up any higher. Maybe they were doing that this weekend? Dar405301 09-20-2010, 12:58 PM is the tower no taller than the colcord? i can't tell from the cam shot. plmccordj 09-20-2010, 02:39 PM The building is definitely taller than the Colcord because I can see it over the top of the Colcord from Air Depot and Reno in Midwest City. It is at least two floors higher. OKC@heart 09-20-2010, 03:07 PM I also noticed from kinggober's pictures that crane #2 hasn't been anchored to the building in any way. I would think the crane would need to be anchored before it can go up any higher. Maybe they were doing that this weekend? it will definitely have to be anchored and I am sure that the anchor points are already there in place if not connected. We will see it rise and then we will no longer get to see the top of the crane from the web cam, unless another camera is added sometime soon. (insert wishful thinking) soonerwilliam 09-20-2010, 03:38 PM The cam is down! HELP!!! plmccordj 09-20-2010, 03:49 PM This shows how much taller the building in compared to the Colcord Hotel. The picture was taken from SE 15th Street at I-35. http://www.flickr.com/photos/plmccordj/5009070899/ Pete 09-20-2010, 04:10 PM We know the cam is down and are working on it. Dar405301 09-20-2010, 04:44 PM plmccordj, there's no picture there! plmccordj 09-20-2010, 04:51 PM Dar405301, can you see the link at all? I will post it again... http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/5009070899_e2529df3fd_b.jpg soonerwilliam 09-20-2010, 05:00 PM We know the cam is down and are working on it. Thanks Pete! jn1780 09-20-2010, 05:09 PM When crane 2 is jumped, it should be just as tall as the chase tower if not taller. |