I wouldn't say hatred.

It's more of a friendly rivalry.

But, I know pokes can be sensitive so I have to watch myself.

What can I say, I was in the Pride of Oklahoma for four years and have horrid memories from the folks in orange.

I was in the Pride as well. What year(s) were you in Pride? Going to Stoolwater was never fun. It's a freak show up there.

Your disdain for Stillwater and OSU is painfully obvious. Oh, but I'm sure you're speaking objectively and from experience here, right?
Nick just enjoys pushing peoples' buttons, for some reason, and especially in this forum. Best thing is just to ignore.

tahlequa is awesome. the river and lake tenkiller.

i love norman. lots of cool people and some crazies there.

ocu has a lot of potential with the way the area is starting to rebound. plus i grew up 3 blocks away so the area feels like home.

stillwater is cool, but one of my friends went there and he does pull that same old story of if you didnt go to school there it doesnt count. which is a cop out because i know osu fans that didnt go there and they wouldnt say the same thing about them.

Interesting question....but what are the factors for this?

Norman beats Stillwater hands-down on about any objective measure, but that doesn't mean people must enjoy Norman more than Stillwater. Plenty of people will prefer Stillwater. On an objective level, I think the vast majority of people that aren't Sooners or Cowboys will prefer Norman due to its cultural offerings, its support and identification with OU, its history, its entertainment and restaurants, and its proximity to OKC. Most people aren't going to think the Beer Barn warrants a pick for Stilly.

Can't believe no one has mentioned Goodwell.

As someone who grew up in Norman and attended OSU, I've always thought Stillwater was better purely as a "college town". Obviously, Norman has more entertainment options and has a great campus. However, Stillwater has a certain charm, that made for a great 4...errr....5 years.

Having said that, I did choose to live in the Moore/Norman area after graduation.

Can't believe no one has mentioned Goodwell.

As someone who grew up in Norman and attended OSU, I've always thought Stillwater was better purely as a "college town". Obviously, Norman has more entertainment options and has a great campus. However, Stillwater has a certain charm, that made for a great 4...errr....5 years.

Having said that, I did choose to live in the Moore/Norman area after graduation.
Now THAT'S interesting. Do you put out OSU flags when the schools play each other? That could be fun.

I also find it interesting that the person who started this thread as his/her 1st post in the OkcTalk forums, kwash, has yet to make a single other post anywhere in the forum. Hmmmm ...

Now THAT'S interesting. Do you put out OSU flags when the schools play each other? That could be fun.



Even though I played football at OSU, I grew up an OU fan. (OU didn't offer me a football scholarship.) So, I'm one of those weird people that really likes both teams.

I remember my first game against OU and how surreal it was to be actually rooting against them. (It got easier every year....)

Now my ten year old is a huge OSU fan. I kind of encourage it because it drives my inlaws NUTS.

Chrisok,

I don't think that it's unusual for lots of people to like both schools, towns, and teams. I do, and I'm guessing that when one weeds out those who have some personal agenda to advance, most other Oklahomans feel the same way -- we want both schools to do well, even if we may have a choice to make on game day when the schools play each other.

It is wholly unlikely that most Oklahomans who appreciate their whole state and who appreciate all of its schools and want them all to succeed, and not just OU & OSU, would appreciate the petty crap about OU and OSU, either way, that has been presented by a few in this thread. To me, all of the pettiness is wholly offensive. I'd feel the same way were I an OU fan 1st, and an OSU fan 2nd. As it is, I root for OU for every game it plays other than OSU. But I'm an Oklahoman first and I value both schools and their home cities, even if I have a preference on game day which I obviously do.

A sad fact of internet forum existence is that some people just like to start trouble to satisfy whatever psychological need within them serves as their drive to stir up controversy or advance some unspoken agenda. Invariably, such posters use anonymous names, and sometimes they use more than one.

This thread was started by a 1-time poster, one named "kwash," who made what appeared to be a harmless and genuine inquiry. He/she has not made a 2nd post in OkcTalk at the time this message is written. My suspicion is that kwash is a pseudonym for someone else who has already participated in this thread but by a different name, but that's just my guess, and that the harmless inquiry was anything but.

My next guess is that the original post was specifically designed to generate exactly the kinds of posts that, unfortunately, OU vs. OSU haters are inclined to be and are easily baited by on either side of the equation. Both such camps are easy setups for that type of an approach, and the internet voyeur knows that to be true since he is from these parts.

For the internet voyeur, it's a wondrous thing -- watching others shoot white and/or brown ducks while they are still sitting on the ground just because they are white or brown. That's because, when the war is on, many of the the white or brown ducks don't think. They just react.

For the internet voyeur, the beauty of it is that none wonder if they are being manipulated. They predictably give knee-jerk emotional responses, and the internet voyeur has accomplished what he set out to do in the first place and the mission has been accomplished.

That's happened in this thread, I think.

Before Pete became the owner of this forum, I can speak from personal experience in knowing that it happened before and I can name names.

Personally, I think that this thread is poisoned for the reasons that I've already said and I think that the thread should be closed. If the originator of the thread can be identified and it develops that my theory is correct, I think that he/she should be banned. In my opinion, all of us, except for the internet voyeur, are being played like a fiddle.

I've not made such a statement in this forum in all of my membership time here which dates back 4 or 5 years -- I'd have to check to find the time. In times gone by I've championed the cause of others who were in disfavor with the powers that be whether I personally liked what they had to say or not. There are some here who will know that I speak the truth about having done so.

Today, it is different. We are being trolled.

Nick just enjoys pushing peoples' buttons, for some reason, and especially in this forum. Best thing is just to ignore.

Life is short. People are funny. I do what I can.

Boomer Freakin' Sooner. That being said, the only team I actually loyally hate is UT. Those people are just insane. I don't really have any hatred for OSU or its fans..it's just fun to jest. They almost always jest back.

Hello. Nick. Why are you doing this?

Why am I doing what, Doug? The way I see it, I'm not personally attacking people, but I'm still jesting. I say Stoolwater, I sort of half expect someone to say Snorman..not a 5-paragraph sermon on the immorality of a friendly college rivalry.

From one perspective, the forum is united..me and Metro agree on something. LOL

Boomer Freakin' Sooner. That being said, the only team I actually loyally hate is UT. Those people are just insane.

Just insane, huh? Indeed, you've been good for some comic relief in this thread.

A rather funny thing I've noticed here at UT is how little students care about OU. Of course, the two schools have a big, high-profile football game which offers a fun weekend for students to spend in Dallas, so people care in that respect. But whereas hating UT is an integral, undeniable part of OU's identity, UT could otherwise care less about OU. The only school that sees any sort of "loyal hate" here is Texas A&M.

That's like saying OU is an integral part of OSU's identity. Feconi, don't forget to stock up on orange kool-aid the next time you visit Stillwater, if ever. Or does Austin have the good stuff now?

Does A&M even need to be hated? I mean, that's not even fun, to hate a school whose student body is more conservative than Attila the Hun and whose football record is just lousy. I think A&M could use some charity appreciation.

oh oh go cry me a river doug, quite your whining about how you love everyone and hey maybe we should all hold hands and sing we are the world, go cry that pathetic crap to someone else. I just simply wanted to know who had the best college town period in oklahoma, i didnt say whos better norman or stillwater, i said oklahoma. And who cares if it sparks up some rivalry ou-osu hate, its all in good fun. No one in here i dont think is gonna go to a bar and start beating people up over the rivalry. So doug go cry some more about, im sure ill get something back that makes you sound like a little 8yr boy who didnt get his candy at the grocery store. Let people answer the question and have fun with it, name your favorite town and quit your crying. If it bothers you so much that people in this state have rival schools and talk smack back and forth about then go live in fairy tale land.

I went to OU but Norman is no longer a "college town", it is more like Lawrence, Lincoln or Boulder which are no longer college towns, as they have become burbs of larger cities. Stillwater, College Station, Columbia, Manhattan, Ames are college towns, far enough away from a bigger city for the town to still be centered around the college. Then there is Austin or Columbus, Ohio, they have outgrown the college town environment and are now cities with colleges in them, having the state capitol located there probably had much to do with it as well. Lubbock and Waco...are just Lubbock and Waco, not really either of those classifications.

Norman is progressing away from being a 'burb' of Oklahoma City, and is becoming a large city on its own right. It recently surpassed Lawton to become Oklahoma's 3rd most populated city.

Who knows, 20 years from now..Norman may even have its own skyline to rival Oklahoma City's.

oh oh go cry me a river doug, quite your whining about how you love everyone and hey maybe we should all hold hands and sing we are the world, go cry that pathetic crap to someone else. I just simply wanted to know who had the best college town period in oklahoma, i didnt say whos better norman or stillwater, i said oklahoma. And who cares if it sparks up some rivalry ou-osu hate, its all in good fun. No one in here i dont think is gonna go to a bar and start beating people up over the rivalry. So doug go cry some more about, im sure ill get something back that makes you sound like a little 8yr boy who didnt get his candy at the grocery store. Let people answer the question and have fun with it, name your favorite town and quit your crying. If it bothers you so much that people in this state have rival schools and talk smack back and forth about then go live in fairy tale land.

Whoa. Easy. No one talks to The Doug like that.

Whoa. Easy. No one talks to The Doug like that.
:LolLolLol He he ... not to worry. Nick does it regularly. "I'm a man, I'm 40" ... and a bit more than that. At the least, it was good of him to clarify his original intention when he posted the message which began this thread, don't you think? :omg:

Some people are just off-limits. Pete, Doug, Karried, to name three...

oh oh go cry me a river doug, quite your whining about how you love everyone and hey maybe we should all hold hands and sing we are the world, go cry that pathetic crap to someone else. I just simply wanted to know who had the best college town period in oklahoma, i didnt say whos better norman or stillwater, i said oklahoma. And who cares if it sparks up some rivalry ou-osu hate, its all in good fun. No one in here i dont think is gonna go to a bar and start beating people up over the rivalry. So doug go cry some more about, im sure ill get something back that makes you sound like a little 8yr boy who didnt get his candy at the grocery store. Let people answer the question and have fun with it, name your favorite town and quit your crying. If it bothers you so much that people in this state have rival schools and talk smack back and forth about then go live in fairy tale land.

I'm pretty sure this thread was intended at flamebait which I'm pretty sure is against the TOS (which I can't find, incidently). I vote to close this thread.

I'm also pretty sure this thread isn't very specific to "OKC metro area", I've flagged it to the mods as it is more of a flame bait, underground type thread.

:LolLolLol He he ... not to worry. Nick does it regularly. "I'm a man, I'm 40" ... and a bit more than that. At the least, it was good of him to clarify his original intention when he posted the message which began this thread, don't you think? :omg:

Doug, I didn't have anything to do with this thread other than my posts in it, which I still stand behind. Seriously..I would have used the name "quash" instead of "kwash" c'mon you should know me better than that. Of course, with 1 post from the original poster, I had to disagree that it was a troll..with the original poster's second post now on lovely record, I can't agree more.

Pete can run an IP check. But in my experience, trolls like this usually aren't at all related to your long-term main posters. Oftentimes they don't even live in Oklahoma.

Sorry to have misjudged you about being kwash, Nick. Aside from that, I stand behind my other comments also. If the original poster had actually been serious and wanted to learn something, your method did little if anything to contribute and actually detracted from the poster's stated purpose and essentially hijacked the thread.

Yeah, I don't think anyone was wanting to bad mouth any Oklahoma college town until Spartan showed up.

Yeah, I don't think anyone was wanting to bad mouth any Oklahoma college town until Spartan showed up.

Are you a moron? I was the 2nd poster in the thread because I happened to be online when it went up. If I hadn't, someone else would have started it 5 seconds later. Here's what I said:


Norman of course. Any other answer, like Sillywater, would just be silly.

Geez, that's not even my best stuff. Does anyone want my best Stillwater jokes? I really don't think OSU jokes from an OU person are that offensive, but maybe they don't teach sense of humor up there in the North Country.

As I said earlier, pokes are sensitive creatures and take offense very, very easily.

What did Spartan say that was so bad? He was just play trash talkin' they way folks do. Not like that person who attacked Doug. Good lord!

Let's see if we can guess what this is from..

I wanna talk about this thread right herr. This was brought to me by a mother. Of colleges. Think this is worth readin. Lemme tell ya why I wanna talk bout this thread. 3/4ths of this is inackurit. It's ficshin. Aaaand this thread embarrasses me to be involved with OKC Talk, tremendously. And that thread, had to be written by a person that doesn't have a college. And has NEVER had a college that's HAD THEIR HEART BROKEN and COME HOME upset!! And had to deal with a college WHEN HE IS UPSET. AND KICK A COLLEGE WHEN HE'S DOWN! Here's all that college does. He goes to class. He's RESPECTFUL TO THE MEDIA!! AND THE PUBLIC!! And he's a good college. And he's not a professional college, and he doesn't deserve to be kicked when he's down. If you have a college someday, you'll understand. But YOU OBVIOUSLY don't have a college. I do. If your college goes down the street and someone makes fun of him and says he's fat and goes home cryin to his mamma, you'd understand. But you haven't had that, but someone day you will. If you wanna go after a college, one of my colleges, you go after me. I'm A MAN!!! I'm 21!!! That's why I don't read OKC Talk. Because it's GARBAGE!!!! And the moderator that let it come out, IS GARBAGE!! Attackin an amateur college for doin everything right!!!!

oh oh go cry me a river doug, quite your whining about how you love everyone and hey maybe we should all hold hands and sing we are the world, go cry that pathetic crap to someone else. I just simply wanted to know who had the best college town period in oklahoma, i didnt say whos better norman or stillwater, i said oklahoma. And who cares if it sparks up some rivalry ou-osu hate, its all in good fun. No one in here i dont think is gonna go to a bar and start beating people up over the rivalry. So doug go cry some more about, im sure ill get something back that makes you sound like a little 8yr boy who didnt get his candy at the grocery store. Let people answer the question and have fun with it, name your favorite town and quit your crying. If it bothers you so much that people in this state have rival schools and talk smack back and forth about then go live in fairy tale land.

Hmm. :fighting3 Note the time of the post by kwash. 2:19 AM. <burp> Excuse me, while I put another quarter in the jukebox. I see GO CRY is your favorite song, let's see, ah yes, in the C&W section.

I can't believe no one mentioned Wilburton as the best little ol' college town! Since I think Norman is too big to be considered a town, I have to go with Shawnee. It has both a Catholic and a Baptist University!!! Talk about the makings of a rivalry. That is scarier than Stoops at a Bowl game.

Chickasha? Uh... No, shady Grady!

Let's see if we can guess what this is from..

I wanna talk about this thread right herr. This was brought to me by a mother. Of colleges. Think this is worth readin. Lemme tell ya why I wanna talk bout this thread. 3/4ths of this is inackurit. It's ficshin. Aaaand this thread embarrasses me to be involved with OKC Talk, tremendously. And that thread, had to be written by a person that doesn't have a college. And has NEVER had a college that's HAD THEIR HEART BROKEN and COME HOME upset!! And had to deal with a college WHEN HE IS UPSET. AND KICK A COLLEGE WHEN HE'S DOWN! Here's all that college does. He goes to class. He's RESPECTFUL TO THE MEDIA!! AND THE PUBLIC!! And he's a good college. And he's not a professional college, and he doesn't deserve to be kicked when he's down. If you have a college someday, you'll understand. But YOU OBVIOUSLY don't have a college. I do. If your college goes down the street and someone makes fun of him and says he's fat and goes home cryin to his mamma, you'd understand. But you haven't had that, but someone day you will. If you wanna go after a college, one of my colleges, you go after me. I'm A MAN!!! I'm 21!!! That's why I don't read OKC Talk. Because it's GARBAGE!!!! And the moderator that let it come out, IS GARBAGE!! Attackin an amateur college for doin everything right!!!!

Good lord, you're 21. Quit acting like a high school kid. Do you think you'll be going out of your way to write junk similar to the above when you're 40?

Are you a moron? I was the 2nd poster in the thread because I happened to be online when it went up. If I hadn't, someone else would have started it 5 seconds later. Here's what I said:

Geez, that's not even my best stuff. Does anyone want my best Stillwater jokes? I really don't think OSU jokes from an OU person are that offensive, but maybe they don't teach sense of humor up there in the North Country.

What don't you just go ahead and call me names rather than ask?

Yes, by all means let's hear your Stillwater jokes. You seem to know a lot more about the place than most people and what is so jokeable about 85

wow i never thought i get this response people, but like i said to doug this was not suppose to be a ou/osu football rivalry post. I just wanted you guys to name your favorite college town in oklahoma. As to earlier post that say norman is to big to be a college town lol, austin madison gainesville, do those all ring a bell? those 3 college towns are always in the top 10 on every best college town list ever made and all those cities are over 300,000+, hell austin is close to a million if not over it. Drive into austin and you just feel the longhorn atmosphere, it just oozes with stickers on the cars and billboards that say longhorn country, little do we forget that dang near 70,000 students attend ut-austin, so come on people that whole argument that a city being to be to be a college town dosent hold water. norman and stilwater both oooze with cowboy and sooner pride from the flags you see flying all over both towns, heck in norman they even have a mall called sooner mall, walk into any store in norman and see a huge ou flag hanging inside. its atmosphere not size people. also an earlier post about one school or another being dead on weekends lol, i been to both on a saturday evening when their are no sports events and both stillwater and norman are dead. its no secret that on oth campuses and even talequah that the kids go home on weekends. when is the last time you seen any oklahoma college on any party list in the last 20 years, never!! and thats a good thing too. times have changed people, this isnt the 70's or 80's anymore when the college experience was at its peak. Now kids usually have to go home on weeknds to work not stay around and party, and the greek system is all but dead as we mov einto 2010. but like doug said earlier all the college towns in oklahoma are great and we should be proud of them all from talequah to norman,stillwater to even weatherford!!!!!!!

What don't you just go ahead and call me names rather than ask?

I did ask, that's what a question mark means.

wow i never thought i get this response people, but like i said to doug this was not suppose to be a ou/osu football rivalry post. I just wanted you guys to name your favorite college town in oklahoma. As to earlier post that say norman is to big to be a college town lol, austin madison gainesville, do those all ring a bell? those 3 college towns are always in the top 10 on every best college town list ever made and all those cities are over 300,000+, hell austin is close to a million if not over it. Drive into austin and you just feel the longhorn atmosphere, it just oozes with stickers on the cars and billboards that say longhorn country, little do we forget that dang near 70,000 students attend ut-austin, so come on people that whole argument that a city being to be to be a college town dosent hold water. norman and stilwater both oooze with cowboy and sooner pride from the flags you see flying all over both towns, heck in norman they even have a mall called sooner mall, walk into any store in norman and see a huge ou flag hanging inside. its atmosphere not size people. also an earlier post about one school or another being dead on weekends lol, i been to both on a saturday evening when their are no sports events and both stillwater and norman are dead. its no secret that on oth campuses and even talequah that the kids go home on weekends. when is the last time you seen any oklahoma college on any party list in the last 20 years, never!! and thats a good thing too. times have changed people, this isnt the 70's or 80's anymore when the college experience was at its peak. Now kids usually have to go home on weeknds to work not stay around and party, and the greek system is all but dead as we mov einto 2010. but like doug said earlier all the college towns in oklahoma are great and we should be proud of them all from talequah to norman,stillwater to even weatherford!!!!!!!

Austin has some great things going on, like all the businesses around town and of course 6th and 8th Streets downtown. But look at their college campus. It looks like a corporate center. The architecture is atrocious. It's bordered by highways and sky scrapers. It just isn't a real college atmosphere.

That is one thing I like about both OU and OSU, they have a very traditional east coast campus look and feel.

Austin has some great things going on, like all the businesses around town and of course 6th and 8th Streets downtown. But look at their college campus. It looks like a corporate center. The architecture is atrocious. It's bordered by highways and sky scrapers. It just isn't a real college atmosphere.

That is one thing I like about both OU and OSU, they have a very traditional east coast campus look and feel.

To each his own. I personally prefer UT's campus to OU or OSU's, partly because of the architecture (except for the engineering "quad" which, yeah, is a collection of 10-18 story brick monoliths). But it's mostly the campus atmosphere that I love--UT is blessed with a very diverse and active student body, and the campus just feels so much more busy and "alive" than OU or OSU. A major plus is the way campus connects with midtown and downtown, giving Austin a very large and connected walkable urban core. If anything, UT has the ideal college atmosphere.

BTW, kwash, there's about 37,000 undergrads and 13,000 grad students here--nowhere near 70k. And I'd definitely argue that outside of central Austin (and the newspaper), the city doesn't exactly "ooze" Longhorn pride when you drive in. I'd agree that Madison is a college town, but Austin--at 1.7 million in the metro area--is simply too big to qualify for such a status.

:LolLolLol You guys beat each other up worse than the political forums! :LolLolLol

I did ask, that's what a question mark means.
So Spartan you failed miserably in answering my question. So once again I ask: What don't you just go ahead and call me names rather than ask?

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting on your jokes about OSU and Stillwater. Why not Norman, too, if any?

I'm pretty sure this thread was intended at flamebait which I'm pretty sure is against the TOS (which I can't find, incidently). I vote to close this thread.

Not me. I found the majority of the postings, except when they were totally about a poster, to be interesting and informative.

To each his own. I personally prefer UT's campus to OU or OSU's, partly because of the architecture (except for the engineering "quad" which, yeah, is a collection of 10-18 story brick monoliths). But it's mostly the campus atmosphere that I love--UT is blessed with a very diverse and active student body, and the campus just feels so much more busy and "alive" than OU or OSU. A major plus is the way campus connects with midtown and downtown, giving Austin a very large and connected walkable urban core. If anything, UT has the ideal college atmosphere.
Yes, the area around the campus is very much a "college area" just like it is is Norman and most other cities that have large universities located in them. The reason why it feels busier is the sheer number of students crammed in to the original 40 Acres (and a little bit more now), West Campus and other close-in areas. I do like the campus but I for one have grown to hate the faux Spanish/Tuscan style of architecture that is all over the campus because that is what developers all around town want to replicate. Let's just say that I am a bit tired of rehashing the same style over and over on projects. What do you think it would have been like if they had moved over to the 503 acres of the Brackenridge Tract when it was proposed in the early 1900's?


BTW, kwash, there's about 37,000 undergrads and 13,000 grad students here--nowhere near 70k. And I'd definitely argue that outside of central Austin (and the newspaper), the city doesn't exactly "ooze" Longhorn pride when you drive in. I'd agree that Madison is a college town, but Austin--at 1.7 million in the metro area--is simply too big to qualify for such a status.
Yep, you see bits of it around town at some bars and restaurants but nothing like around the campus. There are way more people here (like my wife and I) with absolutely no connection to UT...but many of the UT people like to think Austin is still the sleepy little college town they once lived in or envisioned.

It's also a matter of what kind of person you are. If your passions in life are skeet shootin and hog raisin and beer drinkin then Stoolwater is your place. If you like learning, music, and art, then Norman is your place.

Well, since you put it that way, if you are a frat boy doing cocaine, then Norman is for you.

OU is a clicky school, and OSU is not. It is night and day different. IF you have never gone to OSU then you can't compare OU and OSU.

Stillwater really is a nice little college town. I just like the area around OU better. :)

BTW, the "college town" thing is almost a completely foreign concept on the west coast. Most schools here are in bigger urban areas... And I personally don't care for that at all.

Pete,

My favorited all time college town is in California. San Luis Obispo (sp?). I love that town! The beach is right there and it still has a small town atmosphere and the great Cali climate.

I also love Corvalis! That is a great college town too. I love the downtown next to the Willamette River.

Check out this short video on Stillwater. It's not funny but what someone thought of it and Stillwater sure was! YouTube - Find It, Buy It... Stillwater: Stillwater, OK New Ad Campaign (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7kdV28P5rw&feature=related)

Okay, I call shenanigans on anyone who singles out OU for being too clicky and then identifies Cal Poly as their favorite school.

That's like saying Hollywood High is a wonderfully accepting and diverse community.

Well, since you put it that way, if you are a frat boy doing cocaine, then Norman is for you.

OU is a clicky school, and OSU is not. It is night and day different. IF you have never gone to OSU then you can't compare OU and OSU.

But what if you've never gone to OU?

And does OSU not have cliques and "frat boys doing cocaine"? I'm in a fraternity and I don't do cocaine...contrary to popular belief around here. I'm not clicky either. In fact I'm probably what you'd call the opposite of a popularity contest..LOL