I don't remember saying anything bad about OKC on the post do you? I don't see how I'm trying to turn OKC against Tulsa. Just talking about Hard Rock but I will tell you this I think it's crap how OKC has suck sour grapes about Tulsa getting a Hard Rock. OKC is about 300,000 people bigger then Tulsa that's not much. If you took the population of Tulsa metro out of OKC you would have a metro of less then 300,000 WOW!! Now if you took the population of OKC metro out of Dallas metro you would have a population in Dallas of just over 5 MILLION people now that's a big difference. You guys can talk all you want about Hard Rock being run by the Indians but at the end of the day everyone everywhere will only know of the Hard Rock Tulsa and most people don't even know OKC has an NBA team most people know as much about OKC NBA as they do Tulsa's NFL team. I hope this does not make you mad but this whole big brother little brother is so funny because most people from out of state know more about Tulsa then OKC check any boards they always have more pictures of DT Tulsa then DT OKC. I'm sure you guys hate me now but these are the facts I'm not saying any thing that is not true. Now I will say I like to go to OKC sometimes it's a nice town Now when your metro hits over 4 Million you will be a major city. But by that time Tulsa will be at 3.7 Million. Anyway I just started this the other day to tell you about the Hard Rock and it turned into this I think this is the biggest post I have ever left anywhere

I feel sorry for anyone who books a hotel room there, I am sorry to break it to you, but that Indian casino hotel has horribly decorated rooms, at least for my taste. It reminds me of a Holiday Inn blended with an OLD Radisson.

I'm not big on the Hard Rock Hotel or brand, but in fairness, the rooms were remodeled and look like standard Hard Rock Hotel rooms to me:

Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Tulsa (http://www.hardrockcasinotulsa.com/Pages/default.aspx)

I'm not big on the Hard Rock Hotel or brand, but in fairness, the rooms were remodeled and look like standard Hard Rock Hotel rooms to me:

Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Tulsa (http://www.hardrockcasinotulsa.com/Pages/default.aspx)

Thanks for pointing that out Metro, that is my bad. I did not see the updated room pics. That does look better.

The Irritated Tulsan pays tribute:

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In Tulsa.

How old are you? 13?

Before you come to the Oklahoma City forum again, posting wild and unsubstantiated numbers, tossing out statements that say more about how uneducatated you are than they do about the postives of your home town, and generally behaving as though you are some hyper-active child in dire need of ritalin, here's a tip:

Use basic grammar and proper sentence structure. And.....learn to spell.

I don't remember saying anything bad about OKC on the post do you? I don't see how I'm trying to turn OKC against Tulsa. Just talking about Hard Rock but I will tell you this I think it's crap how OKC has suck sour grapes about Tulsa getting a Hard Rock. OKC is about 300,000 people bigger then Tulsa thats not much. If you took the population of Tulsa metro out of OKC you would have a metro of less then 300,000 WOW!! Now if you took the population of OKC metro out of Dallas metro you would have a population in Dallas of just over 5 MILLION people now thats a big difference. You guys can talk all you want about Hard Rock being run by the indians but at the end of the day eveyone everywhere will only know of the Hard Rock Tulsa and most people don't even know OKC has an NBA team most people know as much about OKC NBA as they do Tulsa's NFL team. I hope this does not make you mad but this whole big brother little brother is so funny because most people from out of state know more about Tulsa then OKC check any boards they always have more pictures of DT Tulsa then DT OKC. I'm sure you guys hate me now but these are the facts I'm not saying any thing that is not ture. Now I will say I like to go to OKC sometimes it's a nice town Now when your metro hits over 4 Million you will be a major city. But by that time Tulsa will be at 3.7 Million. Anyway I just started this the other day to tell you about the Hard Rock and it turned into this I think this is the biggest post I have ever left anywhere.

:whiteflag

Wow. I think you lost me somewhere along the lines when you mentioned Tulsa having an NFL team. Still not seeing where my questions are answered here, but that happens here from time to time. And that's ... OK.

in tulsa..all i can say is whattttttt. where you reading a 1950s encylopedia when you said our metro is 300,000

From Census Bureau Home Page (http://www.census.gov:)
Oklahoma City population, 2006, 537,734, up from 506,132 in 2000.
Tulsa population, 2006, 382,872, down from 393,049 in 2000.
Does anyone believe that either city can prosper longterm if the other fails?

in tulsa..all i can say is whattttttt. where you reading a 1950s encylopedia when you said our metro is 300,000

WOW you people are DUMB!! Well you can call me uneducatated all you want I know it's hard to face the facts. This will be my last post on this topic so go right on talking bad about me. By the way I just turned 3 but thanks for the complement DelCamino. I've put the facts out so all I have to say now is See Ya

wow you people are dumb!! Well you can call me uneducatated all you want i know it's hard to face the facts. This will be my last post on this topic so go right on talking bad about me. By the way i just turned 3 but thanks for the complement delcamino. I've put the facts out so all i have to say now is see ya

3?

Okay, so "we" are dumb, but...


Just talking about Hard Rock but I will tell you this I think it's crap how OKC has suck sour grapes about Tulsa getting a Hard Rock.

It's cool you are pumped about the Hard Rock, and no one in OKC has sour grapes about Tulsa getting a Hard Rock, we are just implying that it is nothing to get overly excited about. A giant luxury hotel like the Venetian or Bellagio... now that is something to get excited about.


OKC is about 300,000 people bigger then Tulsa that's not much. If you took the population of Tulsa metro out of OKC you would have a metro of less then 300,000 WOW!!

So, basically, in order for Tulsa to catch up to OKC, you would pretty much have to add another Tulsa to Tulsa's MSA. Both metros are growing at pretty much an even pace, but the gap is widening between OKC and Tulsa proper. In 1980 OKC only had 45,000 more people than in Tulsa. Today, OKC has 166,000 more residents than Tulsa. But, that is not implying that Tulsa is a failure. You can't really use the land area argument, because Tulsa had 393,000 residents in 2000, which means 183 square miles can hold more than 385,000 people.


Now if you took the population of OKC metro out of Dallas metro you would have a population in Dallas of just over 5 MILLION people now that's a big difference. You guys can talk all you want about Hard Rock being run by the Indians but at the end of the day everyone everywhere will only know of the Hard Rock Tulsa and most people don't even know OKC has an NBA team most people know as much about OKC NBA as they do Tulsa's NFL team.

I thought you said you weren't pitting the cities against each other. And what's with the run-on sentences?


I hope this does not make you mad but this whole big brother little brother is so funny because most people from out of state know more about Tulsa then OKC check any boards they always have more pictures of DT Tulsa then DT OKC.

I just did. I found as many pictures of DT OKC as I did TD Tulsa. If people have more pictures of DT Tulsa on some boards, then so what? Most are posted by native Tulsans any, much in the same way that most DT OKC images are posted by native Oklahoma Citians. And again, another run-on sentence. Be patient with your grammar.


I'm sure you guys hate me now but these are the facts I'm not saying any thing that is not true.

No one hates you. And your facts are facts, but you are using them to belittle OKC. How is that in anyway constructive? I am pumped Tulsa's MSA is growing. It is good for the state. But OKC is just as important. We are the only two principal metropolitan areas in the state. Whatever happens to any of us drastically effects the rest of Oklahoma.


Now I will say I like to go to OKC sometimes it's a nice town Now when your metro hits over 4 Million you will be a major city. But by that time Tulsa will be at 3.7 Million. Anyway I just started this the other day to tell you about the Hard Rock and it turned into this I think this is the biggest post I have ever left anywhere

Tulsa MSA's current growth span from 2000 to 2008 is 6.7%. Oklahoma City MSA's current growth span from 2000 to 2008 is 10.1%. But those are volatile variables.

The future is unpredictable, so you and I both can only hope our cities see an upswing in growth in the next decade, rivals or not.

When I was growing up in OKC, I heard from many outsiders that OKC was just a big, overgrown cowtown? I do notice that the city has made many strides in making itself a more desirable, cosmopolitan city. OKC does have Devon, Chesapeake etc...which help the city tremendously from a philanthropic standpoint. The biggest issue OKC needs to address is overall, the city is not the most cleanest and to be quite honest a wee bit on the dirty side. I hope it gets addressed but until then, I have to side with Tulsa on being the more geographically and topographically and more physically attractive city. I do also have to say that I believe Tulsa does have alot of envy towards OKC because it continues to grow and add more things where Tulsa is a bit on the slow side in growing and does not have the effective leadership that OKC does.


I agree with much of what progressiveboy stated above. I grew up in rural eastern Oklahoma and now live in Tulsa. I personally prefer Tulsa because of its physical attractiveness, as it serves as a proxy for where I grew up - in the Ozarks. However, OKC has come a long ways in terms of great urban development. I think the competition between the cities is good, as it encourages each city to be better and to strive for more. And personally the thing I envy most about OKC is your effective and focused leadership who work together instead of bickering amongst themselves and doing business behind closed doors with little transparency as is the case for many in the Tulsa area, IMO.

3 wow, i would have never thought of you being that old, but hey congrats on just turning 3 lil man..

3 wow, i would have never thought of you being that old, but hey congrats on just turning 3 lil man..

Well, I wasn't impressed with InTulsa... but when I found out he was 3, I was like, WOW!

My two year old is barely learing ABCs and 123s and here he is posting whole paragraphs!

Now, I am impressed.

Well, I wasn't impressed with InTulsa... but when I found out he was 3, I was like, WOW!

My two year old is barely learing ABCs and 123s and here he is posting whole paragraphs!

Now, I am impressed.But he still needs to pay closer attention in English class.

Let's back this train up In_Tulsa. I don't think anyone here is interested in starting the billionth Tulsa vs OKC thread. But let me remind you, this is the OKC area of OKCTALK. If you wanted to tout an item for Tulsa, why isn't it in the Tulsa area? And when a thread is given a title like this one, it's just asking for a challenge. The thread creator obviously had some bug to pick, otherwise it would have simply stated something along the lines of "tulsa's hard rock hotel".

And you can whine all you want about the battle. But consider it good payback for the last 20 years of Tulsan's looking down on OKC. I don't believe you'll find apologetic opinions in OKC.

The biggest issue OKC needs to address is overall, the city is not the most cleanest and to be quite honest a wee bit on the dirty side.

You always bring this up, but I have yet to see you produce evidence that OKC is any "dirtier" than Dallas or Tulsa. Every city has slums. If you want to say Tulsa does a better job with landscaping, I will give you that, but that is not what you said.


I don't remember saying anything bad about OKC on the post do you? I don't see how I'm trying to turn OKC against Tulsa.

It doesn't matter if you said it in this thread. Someone caught you being completely disrespectful of OKC at TulsaNow. Why should we respect what you have to say here?


I think it's crap how OKC has suck sour grapes about Tulsa getting a Hard Rock.

Who has sour grapes? ONE person made a post asking a constructive question: why did Tulsa get this before we did? Then everyone else chimed in saying how it's nothing to be jealous of at all. I don't see the sour grapes...


at the end of the day everyone everywhere will only know of the Hard Rock Tulsa and most people don't even know OKC has an NBA team

RIIIIGHT, because the Tulsa Hard Rock is on national TV on a regular basis and sends ambassadors out to 30+ major cities several times a week.

I agree with much of what progressiveboy stated above. I grew up in rural eastern Oklahoma and now live in Tulsa. I personally prefer Tulsa because of its physical attractiveness, as it serves as a proxy for where I grew up - in the Ozarks. However, OKC has come a long ways in terms of great urban development. I think the competition between the cities is good, as it encourages each city to be better and to strive for more. And personally the thing I envy most about OKC is your effective and focused leadership who work together instead of bickering amongst themselves and doing business behind closed doors with little transparency as is the case for many in the Tulsa area, IMO.

I also live in Tulsa but grew up in OKC, Tulsa is naturally a much prettier city no doubt about it, but our roads up here are much worse. Some of the urban feel in tulsa is cool but reality is OKC is now tops on that too...I dont really care who is better at what as long as both cities prosper and better themselves.

The problem is as you correctly pointed out corrupt leadership. Tulsa is disorganized, corrupt and does business behind closed doors, the mayor goes on national tv and badmouths the council which makes the entire town look bad.

Tulsa needs to fix the corruption issues, quit the embezzelment crap, and face up to the fact we're going to have to get a sales tax inplace to fix our infrastructure, but NOT until the corruption issues are fixed.

From my office in downtown tulsa I have a view of some road construction and its pathetic the amount of time/money wasted on these jobs where companies are literally stealing from the city of Tulsa :(

By the way, according to this list in Forbes, OKC is the 15th cleanest city in the US among the 50 largest cities in the US. Tulsa didn't make it, but I don't think they are in the 50 largest.

50 Cleanest (Dirtiest) Cities in America | Your America | Reader's Digest (http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/50-cleanest-dirtiest-cities-in-america/article15115.html)

That is an interesting list considering we had the least clean water. I am not sure if that means our drinking water or the fact that the river and lakes are not clear looking. But all of the other categories were very good.

I would guess that the river story played into that survey somehow. Remember it wasn't that long ago that we had the best ranked water in the country. Not to mention that if you live down in places like Miami...you can't drink the tap water quite often because of contamination from hurricanes. The salt water infiltrates coastal community water supplies very often, so how can you compare that to aquifer water somewhere like OKC?

If that survery had an accurate portrayal of our water, we would have been an even more "clean" city.

By the way, according to this list in Forbes, OKC is the 15th cleanest city in the US among the 50 largest cities in the US. Tulsa didn't make it, but I don't think they are in the 50 largest.

50 Cleanest (Dirtiest) Cities in America | Your America | Reader's Digest (http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/50-cleanest-dirtiest-cities-in-america/article15115.html)

I wonder if "progressiveboy" will notice that Dallas ranked worse than OKC in cleanliness.

I wonder if "progressiveboy" will notice that Dallas ranked worse than OKC in cleanliness. lol! I sure did! It's all good Metro:)

States bank on gambling to boost revenue - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-09-gambling_N.htm)


Casinos are now legal in 40 states, up from 31 in 2000. States are also relaxing regulations on casino locations, hours and betting limits.

Casinos are just not that big of a deal in general anymore, no matter what the brand is. And despite all of this growth and saturation, gambling taxes still fell over 2% last year.

yeah BDP, but that's probably not at the "Hard Rock Casinos", those things are like the biggest development magnets in the universe. When driving by it this past weekend, there were crowds waiting in line, almost backed up to I-44. :LolLolLol

yeah BDP, but that's probably not at the "Hard Rock Casinos", those things are like the biggest development magnets in the universe. When driving by it this past weekend, there were crowds waiting in line, almost backed up to I-44. :LolLolLol

You should see it today I-44 was backed up 1/2 mile going east.

If that is the gauge, then Thackerville is a greater city than Tulsa. Just try going north across the Red River on Friday or Saturday night. They back up on I-35 going to WinStar casino. Guess you can make anything "best" depending on what yardstick you use to measure.

If that is the gauge, then Thackerville is a greater city than Tulsa. Just try going north across the Red River on Friday or Saturday night. They back up on I-35 going to WinStar casino. Guess you can make anything "best" depending on what yardstick you use to measure.

Oh no this was a slow time it was about 4:00am this morning. During rush hour it's alot worse.

Thackerville would still have you beat. But let's also remember that Winstar has been open for several years and has been fully constructed for several years. They're just adding facade now. The actual casino has been around for quite some time now....and is still attracting crowds like crazy....FAR from any metro area. It's halfway between OKC and Dallas.

HR is IN the city of Tulsa and brand new. The test will be to see if in 5 years, are people still lining up? They would be advised to take the lead from Riverwind. Their ad campaigns have done a great job of letting everyone locally know what's going on. They have so many concerts with classic names everyone knows. Poeple flow into that place constantly. The casino isn't even the big draw at Riverwind, but it's a fun activity to burn some time while you wait for an event to start.

What I'm trying to say here, is not to detract from HR. Rather, to keep things in perspective. Until a place has been open for 3 years, no matter what the place is, you can't trust it's numbers.

If that is the gauge, then Thackerville is a greater city than Tulsa. Just try going north across the Red River on Friday or Saturday night. They back up on I-35 going to WinStar casino. Guess you can make anything "best" depending on what yardstick you use to measure.

Winstar is by far and away larger than any casio in the state.

The Official Site of the Chickasaw Nation | WinStar World Casino (http://www.chickasaw.net/tribal_commerce/index_810.htm)

What I'm trying to say here, is not to detract from HR. Rather, to keep things in perspective. Until a place has been open for 3 years, no matter what the place is, you can't trust it's numbers.

There has been a casino where the Hard Rock is for at least four years (I'm not really sure when it opened) and it has caused lots of traffic headaches. In fact, the 193rd E Ave and I-44 interchange is known as dysfunction junction and just this month work began on widening both 193rd and I-44 in that location. This project is starting two years earlier than planned thanks to an $11 million donation by the Cherokee Nation. That's great that the tribes are working with the state and investing in infrastructure (something the Cherokees have done in the past) granted if it wasn't for the Casino the traffic there would be less.

Can this thread be moved to the Tulsa forum?

Same thing happened in Dallas (Although not really a signature HRC)

i think Dallas has a new one that opened close to Victory Park.

There has been a casino where the Hard Rock is for at least four years (I'm not really sure when it opened) and it has caused lots of traffic headaches. In fact, the 193rd E Ave and I-44 interchange is known as dysfunction junction and just this month work began on widening both 193rd and I-44 in that location. This project is starting two years earlier than planned thanks to an $11 million donation by the Cherokee Nation. That's great that the tribes are working with the state and investing in infrastructure (something the Cherokees have done in the past) granted if it wasn't for the Casino the traffic there would be less.

My point there would be, you should consider this place a new casino. With the new floor and hotel, basically it resembles the old place in no way, shape, or form. All the while, Winstar has been there in full square footage for several years. As Cherokee, the HR was sad and wasn't going anywhere. as the HR, it might, but it's still new. We'll see how it does after a few years of operating as HR...not Cherokee.

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You should see it today I-44 was backed up 1/2 mile going east.

Because of the ridiculous road construction, NOT THE CASINO!!



As Cherokee, the HR was sad and wasn't going anywhere. as the HR, it might, but it's still new. We'll see how it does after a few years of operating as HR...not Cherokee.

I was just there a couple nights ago. Actually, other than a minor remodel of the casino floor (new paint and carpet) and the addition of the massive hotel tower, it's exactly as it was when I first visited there like 4 years ago. It was then and still is the nicest casino in the state. That fact has nothing to do with the Hard Rock branding, however.