i think this might work let me know.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

WOW @ that video. Is that a joke?

I don't want to add to the piling on but feel there is an issue with confidentiality that some are willing to protect. as mentioned, many of us on the board are "in the know" but choose to wait for the appropriate time and place. and as far as the models, renderings, etc., isn't there an issue with copyright protection regarding architects' renderings?

If the architect's renderings are newsworthy, i.e., matters of public concern, no, I don't think a copyright claim is going to work. In fact, I think a leak of a picture of those renderings might even be a matter of public concern, thus protected by the 1st Amendment.

I don't claim to be an expert in copyright law, or know anything about it, or have even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but as far as I know, metro could create an alterego here and leak everything well before he does. But for the love of all that is holy, don't think I'm authoritative or even have the remotest idea about what I'm talking about on this point, I'm just saying I could make an argument.. no idea how it'd hold up.

I have jokingly encouraged him to do so in the past because I really don't care about secrecy, nor do I like back room discussions happening out of the public eye regarding what will be done with potentially hundreds of millions of public dollars. The more of that we can have leaked, the better. I don't want any city official or developer to think they're safe behind closed doors.

Heck.. in a very real sense, these renderings, if they were paid for by public moneys are public property, so they'd even be open to disclosure pursuant to the Open Records Act.

Hiding behind closed doors and secrecy on these sort of matters is not in the best interest of the public, and depending on who is doing the talking and hiding, it may not even be legal. Don't fault metro. He's one of the personalities which makes this board as valuable a place to visit as it is.

my understanding (and i'm no lawyer) is that the creator of the drawing, photo, etc. is the copyright holder. just because you have access to the drawings (photos) as a client you do not "own" them. So if it was me, i would be super careful about posting ANY images online.

nope the video is real, leave metro alone!!!!!!

OH please I know something about somehting but I'm not going to tell till its time to tell. Then WHY MENTION IT>>>>

my understanding (and i'm no lawyer) is that the creator of the drawing, photo, etc. is the copyright holder. just because you have access to the drawings (photos) as a client you do not "own" them. So if it was me, i would be super careful about posting ANY images online.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I do understand that in some cases, copyright has been held to not protect matters of public concern because the First Amendment trumps copyright. Here, we're talking about a proposed expenditure of hundreds of millions in public funds in a subject which is being prepared for a public vote for a sales tax to fund these projects. You'd be very hard pressed to argue that this isn't a matter of public concern.

Further, if the city or a public entity contracted for those renderings and has them on file, they should be subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

At any rate, I highly doubt one of those copyright holders is going to send Pete a DMCA take down notice, and in the extremely unlikely event that such a thing happens, I'll bet Pete takes the images down. Until that happens, unless you're an aggrieved party, it's really not any of your business, is it?

Metro is providing what some here think is a valuable service. He shouldn't have to listen to the bellyaching of unaffected parties carrying on about the extraordinarily rare possibility that there might be copyright infringement on the internet.

Let's talk about Chickfila. I miss it being downtown. I really wish Tanenbaum hadn't forced it out during renovation of Park Harvey.

Then WHY MENTION IT>>>>

Why the righteous indignation? Were you harmed in some way?

Metro helped bring attention to the announcement and didn't announce until he was given the green light. What harm has he caused? Why the concern? I just don't get it.

Let's talk about Chickfila. I miss it being downtown. I really wish Tanenbaum hadn't forced it out during renovation of Park Harvey.

He got a terrific men's clothing store in its place. That's worked out extremely well.

-- I actually did like Clayborne's. I just think a store which focuses on English-style clothing is going to have a rough go of it through the Oklahoma Summer heat when tweed and such aren't going to be popular choices.

Yeah, I won't post any more breaking news or post behind the scenes photos and renderings I have of upcoming projects after the newest Core To Shore models thread I just posted. You all can go back to reading about Southside Memories and Chick-Fil-A and I will go back to posting on others threads. You win, I'm sick of just trying to post information that hasn't been posted (and respecting others wishes who are the ones on the actual project for timed released of information) and getting flack for it.

k.

Metro helped bring attention to the announcement and didn't announce until he was given the green light. What harm has he caused? Why the concern? I just don't get it.

It was mentioned that people was getting emails about it, then those people will go on to forward to family and friends. They will also talk about it to family and friends in person and on the phone. It spread and spread.

It was also mentioned that more people had seen about the announcement of the event becoming official on TV and other sources before Metro's post.

So, basically, all of this was happening at around the time that Metro said he could not tell us. Why did he have to say he can not tell us when it clearly was already reaching the public? I feel that he knew this specific info was already reaching the public, so he should have inform us and save all those guessing posts and start discussing.

All of this is over now. No need to discuss about Metro any further. All we do is continue discussing the event and the quality of the river.

okay this topic is kinda like theme park, if something new and exciting is planned for next year and the employees got a heads up onwhat it is and they where asked not to let the at out of the bag until the big public announcement, i have nothing against that employee if they are telling me something cool is coming but they cant say just yet...why is it different with what metro is doing.. not fighting just asking whats the diffence, maybe its somehing i missed in past post of with all of metros post, but whats the craziness about

I'm guessing it was out of respect to the people who wanted to feel like they were announcing something no one else knew... or that people wanted to feel like they were insiders and wanted to feel special that they knew something no one else did or whatever.

All of it is petty BS. Bring on the leaks.

okay thunder i will stop as well with the metro issue.. so umm ummm lets see here ummm ohh has anyone tried the new jimmys eggs in moore yet? sorry thats all i have right now

Let's talk about Chickfila. I miss it being downtown. I really wish Tanenbaum hadn't forced it out during renovation of Park Harvey.

Speaking of, I wonder what Tanenbaum is up to these days, he sure isn't visible as he was several years ago.

If you truly respected them why did you post the email from the CVB?


The fact that there was an email sent by the CVB to their contacts means it wasn't much of an insider secret. Maybe you should be mad at the CVB for spoiling the big surprise.



Prophecies of Metrodamus:

Rock lined walls run east and west,
Towers to the north,
Swimmers in the hellish waters,
Will find poop from the rains.

You are cracking me up with these! :LolLolLol

blah blah, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah

And just my opinion, but there can NEVER be too many Chik-n places, filet or otherwise.
Bring them on, bring them back and open still more!

I know I am late to the party here but I have an honest question.

By the last 2 lines of the email does it not seem that the email author wanted it to be public knowledge so there is a big turn out for the "Official" announcement?

Makes for a better press release in my eyes to have a large crowd picture at the "Official" announcement.


We hope you can join us – and please feel free to forward this on to family and friends!

Thanks for helping us create a large turnout for this historic moment!

This is a case of organizers and media relations folks being too clever for their own good.

I love it when the "the ad men" gets too clever.
Arrogant banshees lol

The fact that there was an email sent by the CVB to their contacts means it wasn't much of an insider secret. Maybe you should be mad at the CVB for spoiling the big surprise.

BINGO! Not only that, but the CVB info included a digital "invitation" from the Boathouse Foundation. I tried to post it, but couldn't. At that point, the proverbial cat was out of the bag.

Hopefully now that the river has been chosen as the site the city will ensure that it is actually clean and safe for Olympic atheletes.

I hope so.
Maybe appoint a "River Czar".lol

http://www.newsok.com/oklahoma-citys-on-course-to-serve-as-olympic-training-site/article/3387980?custom_click=headlines_widget

I hope so.
Maybe appoint a "River Czar".lol

I did a quick Google and it spit back this pic:

Google Image Result for http://truefalse.org/program/details/stills/BigRiverMan.jpg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://truefalse.org/program/details/stills/BigRiverMan.jpg&imgrefurl=http://truefalse.org/program/details/BigRiverMan.htm&h=367&w=550&sz=63&tbnid=o5Z-AwXrBbvcxM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Driver%2Bman%2Bpicture&hl=en&usg=__Z8knXAnPogthHCk0VhfOSvqarnY=&ei=ELJtSvSGI47aNfGSsPkG&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image)

Is he coming to Okc soon? :dizzy: