Nah... That's just one more of your delusions. As I mentioned earlier on in this thread. You are just entertainment to me.

Good. Then that means you can ( Enjoy ) a little marketing / branding lesson at the same time. Sit back, grab a rib, let the sauce drip on your "shirt plate" and learn.

I lookup Freddy's corporate office. Its a decent little building beside a pond. Nothing special really. None of these fast food or ice cream businesses really need a large or extravagent corporate office.

Correct, they don't have to spend a penny. They can just hold on to the few pennies they have left and "hope" they continue to sell the milk.

New Braum's going up on the NW corner of SW 70th & Western. $750,000 building permit today.

This is the vacant lot immediately north of Westernview Shopping Center:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/braums.jpg

Well that is good to hear. That lot has been vacant as long as I can remember. I grew up in the neighborhood just west of this location and it should be a nice addition to the area.

New Braum's going up on the NW corner of SW 70th & Western. $750,000 building permit today.

This is the vacant lot immediately north of Westernview Shopping Center:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/braums.jpg

I'm not buying it Pete. Official okctalk word is Braum's is in trouble so no way they are adding locations ;)

$800,000 building permit today to remodel the Braum's on MacArthur just north of Memorial Road.

That's a lot of money for a relatively new location; must be converting it to their new expanded concept.


These two recent expenditures within OKC gives me hope they may turn their attention to the location at 18th & Classen. They purchased two homes to the west and demolished them, then put their plans on hold.

$800,000 building permit today to remodel the Braum's on MacArthur just north of Memorial Road.

That's a lot of money for a relatively new location; must be converting it to their larger, expanded concept.

These two recent expenditures within OKC gives me hope they may turn their attention to the location at 18th & Classen. They purchased two homes to the west and demolished them, then put their plans on hold.

No way that can be true because Braum's is losing market share because they are not spending any money on their stores...

That Braum's on Classen is a lot like the neighboring Homeland: Well below the standard and close enough to Midtown/downtown that they won't build a new one closer to the developing central core.

If Braum's wasn't already there, they would be a natural for Midtown and could compliment Native Roots on the east end of downtown. Their new concept has a lot of food and produce.

Braums imagines itself to be a grocery store in it's own right.

That is great news! They needed to get off "high-center".

That Braum's on Classen is a lot like the neighboring Homeland: Well below the standard and close enough to Midtown/downtown that they won't build a new one closer to the developing central core.

If Braum's wasn't already there, they would be a natural for Midtown and could compliment Native Roots on the east end of downtown. Their new concept has a lot of food and produce.

I have been consistently disappointed with that Braum's on Classen. I go there often because it's conveniently located near the Plaza and CSAS. But the service is...meh.

I live near both a Braum's on NW Expressway and Council, and another at Hefner/Rockwell. I'm also close to the Macarthur/Memorial Braum's. I have nothing nice to say about any of the three other than they're conveniently located if I'm in the mood for a chocolate shake. I'm fairly young myself, but I find the mostly-high school age workers' attitudes incredibly offensive.

At one location, they spend too much time goofing off both with one another and with customers in front of you in line that I suppose they know personally. At the Council location, I've been kept waiting 10 minutes while the workers chatted with their friends in front of us in line and goofed off with the ice cream. Workers in the drive-thru at that one constantly forgetting to give your credit card back, but getting snappy when you ask for it back. At Hefner/Rockwell, the workers (most of whom I suppose come from nearby PCN) are slooooow in the drive-thru and the food quality is poor. I've had to go in a few times because my burger was crammed at the bottom of the bag with everything stacked on top. Meaning my burger was pretty much flattened on half. At the MacArthur location, I took my parents and we were kept waiting AT THE COUNTER for ten minutes while the worker bashed on Christians (not an issue to me, but strange considering it is next to that huge church?) and my parents were so offended by the things he was saying, not to mention the fact that we were kept waiting while he did so, that we called the manager over.

That said, the Braum's locations in Bethany are a little better. I've had consistently great service at the one on 23rd/Rockwell, which I frequented when I was still teaching in the area. Staff was always quick, efficient and friendly, and the food was to better standard than any other locations I've visited in the metro.

I have been consistently disappointed with that Braum's on Classen. I go there often because it's conveniently located near the Plaza and CSAS. But the service is...meh.

I live near both a Braum's on NW Expressway and Council, and another at Hefner/Rockwell. I'm also close to the Macarthur/Memorial Braum's. I have nothing nice to say about any of the three other than they're conveniently located if I'm in the mood for a chocolate shake. I'm fairly young myself, but I find the mostly-high school age workers' attitudes incredibly offensive.

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I'm in the same area, and if I were forced to rate the three in order, MacArthur and Memorial would edge out in front on the basis of food quality, store size with regard to pre-packed ice cream selection, and it's a little bit cleaner. It would seem that the management is a little tighter at this location.

I choose to avoid the drive-through at any Braum's location. They've always been stingy with bags, and it's harder to deal with when a car window is in play.

Lately, there have been enough problems with these Braum's that they lost the toss-up, as it were, when lunch options were considered a few times this past month.

New Braum's going up on the NW corner of SW 70th & Western. $750,000 building permit today.

This is the vacant lot immediately north of Westernview Shopping Center:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/braums.jpg

Dirt work has commenced in this location.

New Braum's going it at the SW corner of SW 59th and Highway 152.

Will be directly south of First National Bank:



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/braums59tha.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/braums59thb.jpg

Wow, had a completely stupid experience at the NW 164th/Penn store today - *completely* out of eggs, and out of 1/2 gallons of 2% milk. Talked to the manager (and apparently I'm the first person to question why they're out of eggs and 2% 1/2 gallons, guess people just go "oh well" and don't even bring things like that to anybody's attention), she said Memorial and Western had eggs, "I don't know why we didn't get any eggs on the truck, we have a new person doing the ordering". Um, I know the reason, the orderer sucks, fire them or train them a hell of a lot better (oh wait, this is Braum's). No explanation about the milk. You're *Braum's*, you can't figure out how to keep milk and eggs in stock? Absurd. This has happened way too many times at this store for us to even try any more (even though their 2% milk tastes better than most we've had), we're just going to go to Natural Grocers for milk and eggs since we go there for other stuff anyway, we're just done with Braum's.

I work at the one by outlet mall. We have a great person that runs our Market. We too were out of Gallon whole milk on Monday and Braum's themselves were out of Milk and it wasn't our issue.

Wow, had a completely stupid experience at the NW 164th/Penn store today - *completely* out of eggs, and out of 1/2 gallons of 2% milk. Talked to the manager (and apparently I'm the first person to question why they're out of eggs and 2% 1/2 gallons, guess people just go "oh well" and don't even bring things like that to anybody's attention), she said Memorial and Western had eggs, "I don't know why we didn't get any eggs on the truck, we have a new person doing the ordering". Um, I know the reason, the orderer sucks, fire them or train them a hell of a lot better (oh wait, this is Braum's). No explanation about the milk. You're *Braum's*, you can't figure out how to keep milk and eggs in stock? Absurd. This has happened way too many times at this store for us to even try any more (even though their 2% milk tastes better than most we've had), we're just going to go to Natural Grocers for milk and eggs since we go there for other stuff anyway, we're just done with Braum's.
I hope you send that to their corporate and let them know. I have had some bad experiences at Braum's, but their corporate usually does a pretty good job of making sure you're taken care of.

I hope you send that to their corporate and let them know. I have had some bad experiences at Braum's, but their corporate usually does a pretty good job of making sure you're taken care of.

Absolutely sent it to corporate too, which kind of also pissed me off - you have to choose a store from a dropdown list that's apparently sorted by *store number*. Seriously, who the hell knows what store number they went to, out of dozens, if not more than 100, stores... And we really don't need to be given a gift cert/coupons/whatever from corporate, 'cos we're just done, burned one too many times with them, but yes, they do need to know how badly one of their stores is doing (not that they care much or it matters much, as evidenced by tons of posts in this thread :) ).

I work at the one by outlet mall. We have a great person that runs our Market. We too were out of Gallon whole milk on Monday and Braum's themselves were out of Milk and it wasn't our issue.

OK, just how does it happen that Braum's itself is *out of milk*?!? I'm just completely baffled by how something like that happens, it'd be like McD's saying "Sorry, we're out of hamburger, we can't get any more for a few days" or Kleenex saying "Sorry, we're out of paper, we can't make any more Kleenex".... I know that running a business like Braum's is complex, and has to take certain bad/odd things into consideration (like the "OMG, bread and milk, a storm's coming" runs), but still, wow, that's just almost unbelievable in the 21st century.

They've ran out of milk before, I think it was due to underestimating demand or equipment failure... They deliver fresh milk every 2 days to every store, so they obviously had a problem at the plant..

They might be out of power so I'm going to say a plant issue also. Also we still had 1/2 gallons just not whole gallons. Maybe on back up supply they can't produce it fast enough?

Also before a major storm everyone runs out of milk. Walmart Homeland I have seen them all out.

It's pretty rare that we get anything from the drive through at Braum's, and honestly when we do, it's almost always a subpar experience. Rude, knuckledragging jerks manning the window, sloppy food items getting your car sticky, it's just a crap experience (23rd St. in Bethany). But we do love their little grocery section. On top of the stellar ice cream selection, their spicy pork breakfast sausage is the best, and every other random little thing we've picked up there has been good as well. If they keep up their grocery quality, I'm all for them continuing to grow in the neighborhood market competition pool.

It's pretty rare that we get anything from the drive through at Braum's, and honestly when we do, it's almost always a subpar experience. Rude, knuckledragging jerks manning the window, sloppy food items getting your car sticky, it's just a crap experience (23rd St. in Bethany). But we do love their little grocery section. On top of the stellar ice cream selection, their spicy pork breakfast sausage is the best, and every other random little thing we've picked up there has been good as well. If they keep up their grocery quality, I'm all for them continuing to grow in the neighborhood market competition pool.

If I was a single guy, it's probably the only grocery store I would got to. I'm like you though I avoid the drive thru, and really their food in general, neither are very good IMO.

If I was a single guy, it's probably the only grocery store I would got to. I'm like you though I avoid the drive thru, and really their food in general, neither are very good IMO.

When it's done right, I think the food is fine. But for the money, there are just much better fast food options. Why would I get a Braum's burger when I can get a Whataburger for about the same price and about the same distance from home? Braum's wins the ice cream game, hands down, but they also win the sh*tty employee game.

Also before a major storm everyone runs out of milk. Walmart Homeland I have seen them all out.

A power outage at the plant would make it a problem, I suppose. And yeah, running out happens, but it *shouldn't* - how many years has Braum's been making and selling milk in OK, and how many years have ice/snow storms been hitting OK? I mean, really, if you can't handle forecasting a supply of something that everybody wants to buy before a major storm that you know about a week in advance, you're not doing a very good job.

When it's done right, I think the food is fine. But for the money, there are just much better fast food options. Why would I get a Braum's burger when I can get a Whataburger for about the same price and about the same distance from home? Braum's wins the ice cream game, hands down, but they also win the sh*tty employee game.

I like Blue Bell better , with or without listeria...

OK, just how does it happen that Braum's itself is *out of milk*?!? I'm just completely baffled by how something like that happens, it'd be like McD's saying "Sorry, we're out of hamburger, we can't get any more for a few days" or Kleenex saying "Sorry, we're out of paper, we can't make any more Kleenex".... I know that running a business like Braum's is complex, and has to take certain bad/odd things into consideration (like the "OMG, bread and milk, a storm's coming" runs), but still, wow, that's just almost unbelievable in the 21st century.

Or go to Taco Bell and order nachos and have them tell you they're out of tortilla chips. Hey, it happens. FWIW, Braums still has the best price on milk, unless you're going to settle for no-name milk at WalMart.

I like Blue Bell better , with or without listeria...

I like Blue Bell as well. They make the best mint chocolate chip.

OK, just how does it happen that Braum's itself is *out of milk*?!? I'm just completely baffled by how something like that happens, it'd be like McD's saying "Sorry, we're out of hamburger, we can't get any more for a few days" or Kleenex saying "Sorry, we're out of paper, we can't make any more Kleenex".... I know that running a business like Braum's is complex, and has to take certain bad/odd things into consideration (like the "OMG, bread and milk, a storm's coming" runs), but still, wow, that's just almost unbelievable in the 21st century.

True story...

In 1989, we had driven from Dallas to Norman and back in one day to visit a relative in the hospital. On the return trip, we stopped at the McDonald's in Pauls Valley. Upon ordering a couple of burgers, we were told that they were out of meat. Completely out of meat. It wasn't a peak time or any particular occasion where there would be any reason for that to happen. I still can't believe a McDonald's ran out of meat!

^^^^^
I've had that happen at McDonald's AND at Taco Bell. Stupefying.

Sometimes, the trucks, they do fail to show. When I was in pizza ages ago, one summer lettuce that was actually acceptable to serve was dang hard to come by.
We were hitting numerous retail spots at times due to low supply. I don't recall ever setting up a no salads today sign, but we didn't make anything off of the salads for a spell, and we were dang happy we did not have a salad bar in that unit. But in general terms, if you are ordering reasonably well, you aren't going to run out of anything absent a vendor getting more than two or three days behind.

We went to Sonic over on NW Expressway between May and Hefner Parkway to specifically get ice cream sundaes and they were out of ice cream. This has happened at this location twice to us in separate years. I still remain baffled as to how Sonic would be out of ice cream. Same with Dickey's BBQ over on May and NW 63rd St. Being from Dallas myself, I was stoked that they were moving in. We tried it a few times and several times in a row we would order brisket and they would be out. After about the third time I just asked them how they could be out and the manager explained to me that they go off of what was sold exactly a week prior as to what they would cook. I get that, you don't want to lose money on meat that you don't serve. But I've never had Earls or Steve's Rib, or any other place here tell me they were out of meat. LOL

... asked them how they could be out and the manager explained to me that they go off of what was sold exactly a week prior as to what they would cook. ...


Doesn't sound like a formula to grow a business. But as I am not a fan of that particular chain, they won't hear that from me.
They are not gross or yuck, but they are not in my the top five for Norman, so I simply have not had any reason to go back after going once with a friend. to give it a try.
Now if Sooner Legends & Rays & Vans & Big Daddy's Smokehouse (Noble) or Rudy's are all closed and Dickey's is open, I might go back.

Then again, I might just decide to put off a Q night and go to Tarahumara or Tulio's instead.


To get back on topic, I am a fan of Braum's Burgers, more so than any other fast food outlet in town. And I only do drive through, simply because their seating is made for thin folks, while my car and my recliner at home both fit me just fine.

But I've never had Earls or Steve's Rib, or any other place here tell me they were out of meat. LOL

Actually that happens at many of the most acclaimed BBQ places.

http://www.bonappetit.com/restaurants-travel/article/17-franklin-barbecue-austin-tx


How are people okay with you running out of meat?
Maybe because I tell them how we can only make so much of it and that I’m real sorry. But now running out of food is, like, a cool thing to do.

Is that a positive trend in barbecue?
Yes, if the place is choosing to run out because they don’t want to reheat meat the next day. But there are a ton of places that put out a sign that says “11 a.m. Till Sold Out” and say, “Watch, this’ll be a great marketing thing for us!”

Actually that happens at many of the most acclaimed BBQ places.

#17: Franklin Barbecue, Austin, TX - Bon Appétit (http://www.bonappetit.com/restaurants-travel/article/17-franklin-barbecue-austin-tx)

This is essentially how burnco in Tulsa works. Close whenever you run out of food.

Actually that happens at many of the most acclaimed BBQ places.

#17: Franklin Barbecue, Austin, TX - Bon Appétit (http://www.bonappetit.com/restaurants-travel/article/17-franklin-barbecue-austin-tx)

Well that makes total sense. I haven't thought of it that way for some reason. I guess I was caught up on the notion that a restaurant was just out of food, but you're right, I don't want reheated whatever just to be able to have it. And you know I've been there to Franklin several times and they've been out of stuff after standing in line and I immediately thought I needed to get there sooner next time! Different mindset I suppose.

This conversation (running out of food) reminds me of one of my all time favorite barbecue joints, Beasley's on 63rd, first he was in the building where Irma's is located, and second (after a few years in Pink, Ok), on 63rd where The Shack is currently located. He put up signs often about running out of food, as well as a "gone fishin'" sign once and a while, and when he put that sign up, he really was "gone fishin'".
C. T.

New Braum's going it at the SW corner of SW 59th and Highway 152.

Will be directly south of First National Bank:



http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/braums59tha.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/braums59thb.jpg


So is this still a go? Been over a year. Anyone know?

I hope so! I live about a mile from that intersection.

Building permit filed today for new Braum's on 119th / 12th near Moore, between Santa Fe and Western.

This would be on the north side of the street just to the east of the strip center with Billy Sims BBQ.

Building permit filed today for new Braum's on 119th / 12th near Moore, between Santa Fe and Western.

This would be on the north side of the street just to the east of the strip center with Billy Sims BBQ.


That almost surely implies the demise of the current Braum's just across the street on the west side of Western. One of the very oldest style locations and likely long past due retirement.

interesting... hope that outparcel doesn't stay vacant too long after braum's moves out of it. i'd expect the new location to do great as a small grocery concept given the apartments it's going in near. -M

interesting... hope that outparcel doesn't stay vacant too long after braum's moves out of it. i'd expect the new location to do great as a small grocery concept given the apartments it's going in near. -M

Sure seems like Braum's has moved very aggressively into the small market concept. They've just opened a store near 19th and Santa Fe, and there was some discussion about them possibly owning land/building at SW 134th and May, IIRC? That's hitting the two-mile intervals that grocery stores seem to favor...

There is also a new Braum's going on NW178th and Portland. A new 7/11 is going there as well.

Yes, new Braum's and 7 Eleven planned for the SE corner of 178th (Edmond Road) and Portland.

On the NW corner of that same intersection is a Sonic and gas station.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/178portland.jpg

How did Braum's manage to lose 1,100 cattle?

Yes, new Braum's and 7 Eleven planned for the SE corner of 178th (Edmond Road) and Portland.

On the NW corner of that same intersection is a Sonic and gas station.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/178portland.jpg

That's surprising. There's a 7-11 at NW 164th and May and a Braums at NW 164th and Penn. I wonder why they're building so close to existing stores?

That's surprising. There's a 7-11 at NW 164th and May and a Braums at NW 164th and Penn. I wonder why they're building so close to existing stores?

There are many 7-11 stores closer together than that in OKC. There are 4 within two 2 miles from me.

With the widening of Portland, this intersection will be even more important over time.

Exactly, and combined with all of the new housing that's come online in the last several years in that area, the 178th/Portland intersection sees a much higher VPD.

Plans filed to completely rebuild the location at Hefner & Rockwell.

Plans filed to completely rebuild the location at Hefner & Rockwell.

I've heard rumors of a planned store at memorial and county line road

New Braum's planned for Piedmont area, on north side of NW Expressway to the east of Piedmont Road and directly west of Great Plains Bank.

They need to destroy the one on May between 122nd and Hefner. They obviously don't know how to hire employees who care about their job. The food is consistently bad and it's so obvious that they don't cook your food to order. I've sent burgers back through the drive thru window multiple times because they were COLD... I don't know why I keep coming back to this location. I'm too optimistic...

I really, really wish they would rebuild that one at 17th & Classen.

The own the two lots to the west, so it would be easily accomplished.

If they do hopefully they try and do an urban concept reducing the footprint adding structured parking in the back and new retail/apartments. One can dream right?

Speaking for Braums that need to be rebuilt the one on Danforth close to Kickingbird shopping center in Edmond is horrible. That one needs to go and be rebuilt.

They need to destroy the one on May between 122nd and Hefner. They obviously don't know how to hire employees who care about their job. The food is consistently bad and it's so obvious that they don't cook your food to order. I've sent burgers back through the drive thru window multiple times because they were COLD... I don't know why I keep coming back to this location. I'm too optimistic...

I have the same problem with burgers from the memorial & macarthur location. Hit the drive thru and drive 1.5 miles north to the house. Open up the burger and the cheese is not melted at all. The meat is not warm at all! Seems they are cooking the meat and keeping them "warm". I have to nuke my burgers more than not from the location.

I have heard they are going from a 1/3 pound burger to 1/4 pound burger starting next week.

I have heard they are going from a 1/3 pound burger to 1/4 pound burger starting next week.

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wow... hope that's not true.