warren - as a famous poster here pointed out (and think his name started with "warren" :) ), the ignore option is a wonderful thing. Don't let anyone here live in your head rent-free. :) No one takes this guy seriously.

Hey SD, I forgot your were here.

95% of the viewers on this forum are not members. I was one of those people. I looked around and saw the same "small minded thinking / how come we can't / Okie standard" being an excuse for our position here in Oklahoma. Yes, there are several ( active members that have the same small minded view & post the same responses everytime ), but that is why I drown them out with a Vision for them. (you know the group we hate to see "speaking for us" after a tornado.)

Most people just bump around w/ no direction and then they wonder why Austin / Dallas / Houston are exploding and OKC is doing "just ok". ...Braum's is plagued w/ this same approach. ...it's ok, but it could be So Much More!

...winning a Silver medal is good, but let's shoot for the Gold!

warren - as a famous poster here pointed out (and think his name started with "warren" :) ), the ignore option is a wonderful thing. Don't let anyone here live in your head rent-free. :) No one takes this guy seriously.

I would have long since done so if I didn't have such a strong philosophical objection to putting people on an ignore list. I've felt for years that if you start ignoring the people you disagree with, that naturally means that the space that is left will only ever containing the people you agree with and as a result you will never learn new things or have your opinions challenged.

Of course, I know that is fairly generous stand to take when the discussion is about a poster like Vision.

I would have long since done so if I didn't have such a strong philosophical objection to putting people on an ignore list. I've felt for years that if you start ignoring the people you disagree with, that naturally means that the space that is left will only ever containing the people you agree with and as a result you will never learn new things or have your opinions challenged.

Of course, I know that is fairly generous stand to take when the discussion is about a poster like Vision.

Understand and completely agree. I've only used the ignore feature on people I've declared to be trolls and/or folks who are just usurping threads for the sake of arguing. Never solely on the basis of their having a differing opinion. Heck, as a self-proclaimed lone-wolf conservative around here, if I ignored everyone who had a different opinion mine would be (almost) the only posts I ever saw (grin).

Just my own wish that there were a more aggressive administrative approach to dealing with folks who do fit that trolling/arguing profile, but it's not my site :)

I would have long since done so if I didn't have such a strong philosophical objection to putting people on an ignore list. I've felt for years that if you start ignoring the people you disagree with, that naturally means that the space that is left will only ever containing the people you agree with and as a result you will never learn new things or have your opinions challenged.

Of course, I know that is fairly generous stand to take when the discussion is about a poster like Vision.

It's not that I disagree with him, it's that he is wrong and no amount of facts can change his opinion. Those are the people I have an issue with. I don't have a problem disagreeing with people on an issue that people can disagree on but I get frustrated when people just say things like "They are losing market share" and have no facts to back it up. That is why I had him on ignore for a while because he would raise my anxiety with his inability to admit he is wrong. SD posted a great response to him and that shut him up for a while and then he started making his amazing claims again with no regards to facts.

I don't really want to invoke Godwin's law here, so I'll name no names, but some 70-odd years ago there was a fellow in central Europe, high in the administration of an un-named political entity, who raised the art of The Big Lie to new levels. Tell it often enough, he said, and it will become the truth.

Nuff said?

]It's not that I disagree with him, it's that he is wrong[/B] and no amount of facts can change his opinion. Those are the people I have an issue with. I don't have a problem disagreeing with people on an issue that people can disagree on but I get frustrated when people just say things like "They are losing market share" and have no facts to back it up. That is why I had him on ignore for a while because he would raise my anxiety with his inability to admit he is wrong. SD posted a great response to him and that shut him up for a while and then he started making his amazing claims again with no regards to facts.

warrrneg, You made my point. There are always that group ( hanging around the water-cooler) and complaining. This group always has the same stance... Complaints w/ no answers and never wants to take a step to the front and lead.

I respresent the silent majority ( that is taking your microphone away on amature night ) and letting the grown-ups lead. Your song of "It ain't gunna wurk" , "we cain't", "cain't afford it" is old. When Braum's goes out of business or makes major cuts, remember what I said. They will probably make the same excuses as I hear on this thread.

warrrneg, You made my point. There are always that group ( hanging around the water-cooler) and complaining. This group always has the same stance... Complaints w/ no answers and never wants to take a step to the front and lead.

I respresent the silent majority ( that is taking your microphone away on amature night ) and letting the grown-ups lead. Your song of "It ain't gunna wurk" , "we cain't", "cain't afford it" is old. When Braum's goes out of business or makes major cuts, remember what I said. They will probably make the same excuses as I hear on this thread.

You still haven't responded to my challenge. Where is the evidence that supports your claim? Take some pictures of the filth in Braum's that makes you think they are losing market share. Post some figures of how they are losing marketshare/money. Until you do something to back up your claim, you have nothing to stand on and everything you say will not be taken seriously. No one will believe you.

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Shouldn't that read

Strong in this one the troll is

I don't really want to invoke Godwin's law here, so I'll name no names, but some 70-odd years ago there was a fellow in central Europe, high in the administration of an un-named political entity, who raised the art of The Big Lie to new levels. Tell it often enough, he said, and it will become the truth.

Nuff said?

It worked for Texas.

I don't really want to invoke Godwin's law here, so I'll name no names, but some 70-odd years ago there was a fellow in central Europe, high in the administration of an un-named political entity, who raised the art of The Big Lie to new levels. Tell it often enough, he said, and it will become the truth.

Nuff said?

So have we finally agreed that only Hitler really prefers Braums?

So have we finally agreed that only Hitler really prefers Braums?

Nah. My moo-stache is funny looking, but I am too tall and round to be compared to Hitler
(though I can throw a right fair hissy if I really set my mind to it)

So have we finally agreed that only Hitler really prefers Braums?
Not exactly:
Hitler and Me prefer Braum's. (or is that Hitler and I? Me and Hitler?)
(Braum's IS spelled with an apostrophe, ain't it or they?)

Not exactly:
Hitler and Me prefer Braum's. (or is that Hitler and I? Me and Hitler?)
(Braum's IS spelled with an apostrophe, ain't it or they?)

I had hoped my Hitler joke would officially kill this thread.

And you do know we are referring to Braum's and not Braun's right?
**rimshot**
I'll see myself out...

Hitler and I prefer Braums.
Braums and Hitler prefer Me.



Not exactly:
Hitler and Me prefer Braum's. (or is that Hitler and I? Me and Hitler?)
(Braum's IS spelled with an apostrophe, ain't it or they?)

In recent weeks the service at the Braum's near I-35 and Robinson in Norman is the worst I have ever seen at a Braum's....
Some of their employes are blatently rude to customers.... over and over again....
I have heard several people complaining about this location.

Me to this thread:

Why wont you die!? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS383gEdb_g)

I know everyone is having fun by piling on Vision in this thread, but there's some truth to what he says. I wouldn't say that Braum's is on the verge of being shut out of the market by other fast food restaurants but they definitely need some improvement. I was in one just yesterday, looking at how dirty it was and wondered why they don't clean the floor or clean the tables in a timely manner.

When I talk to people about Braum's (whether I'm talking to a friend, an acquaintence, someone at work, someone I've recently just met) they always feel the same about Braum's: Great product, but hate how unclean the stores are and hate the slow and subpar service. If these other people feel the same way, it's not just me, there must be a problem there.

I know everyone is having fun by piling on Vision in this thread, but there's some truth to what he says. I wouldn't say that Braum's is on the verge of being shut out of the market by other fast food restaurants but they definitely need some improvement. I was in one just yesterday, looking at how dirty it was and wondered why they don't clean the floor or clean the tables in a timely manner.

When I talk to people about Braum's (whether I'm talking to a friend, an acquaintence, someone at work, someone I've recently just met) they always feel the same about Braum's: Great product, but hate how unclean the stores are and hate the slow and subpar service. If these other people feel the same way, it's not just me, there must be a problem there.

What did the store manager say when you confronted them about it?

I was in one just yesterday, looking at how dirty it was and wondered why they don't clean the floor or clean the tables in a timely manner.

Would you say that it's a marked departure from other fast food restaurants? There's many a time in just about every other fast food restaurant I've been in that it's been in need of some cleaning (and that includes Steak and Shake and Freddy's.

I guess I have never been in any fast food restaurant where I was expecting it to be the cleanest restaurant I have ever been in. I go in there with the understanding that families come in, kids spill things, teenagers are there late at night and don't care who they annoy and above all else, they have 3-8 people working there, most of whom probably make minimum wage or just above. McDonald's, Burger King, Taco Bell, Taco Bueno, Arby's, etc are all the same in my opinion. Chick-Fil-A is the one fast food restaurant where I expect something better than a fast food restaurant experience.

Chick-Fil-A is the one fast food restaurant where I expect something better than a fast food restaurant experience.There's a very good reason for that: Unlike most fast-food operations, the Chick-Fil-A corporate organization keeps a very tight rein on its franchisees. It's not unheard of for a franchisee to have his franchise cancelled almost immediately, if one of the frequent inspections by corporate finds it falling short of chain policies and no corrective action occurs.

One of those policies is to have not one, but two, managers on duty at all times. That lets one work behind the scenes while the other is out front with the customers and immediately available should any potential crisis arise.

This tight management from the top isn't micromanagement, though. The lowest-level managers have plenty of freedom to adapt to community needs. For instance, when that plane crashed on the lawn of the BOK on NW Hiway between MacArthur and Rockwell several years ago, the manager of the Chick-Fil-A a few blocks to the west immediately sent a couple of gallons of their lemonade down to the firemen and rescue workers who were working the accident. His boss complimented him for his fast action rather than chewing him out (how do I know all this? The manager was my middle son, who has since left the fast-food business to pursue his dreams as an independent Realtor).

An unexpected consequence of running such tight ships is that the chain consistently gets a much higher quality of applicants among the kids wanting to work there. They get people who appreciate doing good work, and who want to be with managers who understand and demand good work ethics. The other chains, including Braum's, with less stringent management from the top, have to make do with what's left over...

So long as the public accepts the result of such loose management, the fast-food places won't change very much. However if enough vote with their feet and go to places offering better environments, the joints will adapt, or die.

What did the store manager say when you confronted them about it?
I didn't confront him about it. Do you think he would've even cared? They're aware of this problem. I've expressed it in the past and others have expressed it. I once was on an OU forum and one of the off topic discussions was how we liked Braum's stuff but hated their stores and service. One of the posters knew the Braum family and brought our complaints to their attention. We tried to give them constructive criticism. They said they would address it. This was several years back. Never saw anything come of it.

About 5 or so years ago my wife and one of her friends took our kids and hers on a tour of Braum's. During the Q&A, one of the other mothers in the group said "I can't help but notice how clean and spotless this plant is. But your restaurants are so dirty and grimey." The Braum's guy said that they get that complaint a lot. Yet, it's still the same.

Now it looks as if some of you are jumping on post like you've been doing to Vision. I honestly don't understand the Braum's appologists on this board. It's like it's a personal offense to you if I say that their stores are dirty or their service sucks.

I never stated that I expected it to be the cleanest restaurant I've ever been in. I'd just like to sit down at a table without my arms sticking to the table. Or without having to worry if I'm gonna get some schmutz on my pants. I can go to a Taco Bell or McD's or somesuch and usually walk up to a table and sit down without much worry. But at Braum's I have to walk around to several tables and find the least dirty table and seat available. And even then, I sometimes have to clean the seat or the tabletop so my kids and I don't get crap on us. It shouldn't be that way. And I'm not just talking about a location near my house, I'm talking about the same experience in locations all over Oklahoma.

Let me state this in a more clear way so that everyone understands. I AM NOT A BRAUM'S HATER. I loooooove their products. It's the execution that sucks.

Flame away and I'll try to refrain from coming back to this thread.

Now it looks as if some of you are jumping on post like you've been doing to Vision. I honestly don't understand the Braum's appologists on this board. It's like it's a personal offense to you if I say that their stores are dirty or their service sucks.

Not really. If I see something that isn't satisfactory, I say something or at least write in through their website. I always get a response back. It may not amount to much, but I feel sending feedback is important if you want any improvement. I could come on here and bitch and moan about Taco Bell screwing up my orders all the time or BK making me wait a half hour for food. That would solve nothing. I contact the manager of the story or corporate through the website and it get handled and I get a response back. If the Braums I frequent starts to go down the same path and gets all dirty, I'm definitely not going to apologize for them - they'll hear what I have to say and improve if they want my business.

I didn't confront him about it. Do you think he would've even cared? They're aware of this problem. I've expressed it in the past and others have expressed it. I once was on an OU forum and one of the off topic discussions was how we liked Braum's stuff but hated their stores and service. One of the posters knew the Braum family and brought our complaints to their attention. We tried to give them constructive criticism. They said they would address it. This was several years back. Never saw anything come of it.

About 5 or so years ago my wife and one of her friends took our kids and hers on a tour of Braum's. During the Q&A, one of the other mothers in the group said "I can't help but notice how clean and spotless this plant is. But your restaurants are so dirty and grimey." The Braum's guy said that they get that complaint a lot. Yet, it's still the same.

Now it looks as if some of you are jumping on post like you've been doing to Vision. I honestly don't understand the Braum's appologists on this board. It's like it's a personal offense to you if I say that their stores are dirty or their service sucks.

I never stated that I expected it to be the cleanest restaurant I've ever been in. I'd just like to sit down at a table without my arms sticking to the table. Or without having to worry if I'm gonna get some schmutz on my pants. I can go to a Taco Bell or McD's or somesuch and usually walk up to a table and sit down without much worry. But at Braum's I have to walk around to several tables and find the least dirty table and seat available. And even then, I sometimes have to clean the seat or the tabletop so my kids and I don't get crap on us. It shouldn't be that way. And I'm not just talking about a location near my house, I'm talking about the same experience in locations all over Oklahoma.

Let me state this in a more clear way so that everyone understands. I AM NOT A BRAUM'S HATER. I loooooove their products. It's the execution that sucks.

Flame away and I'll try to refrain from coming back to this thread.
Actually the Braums at I-35 and Robinson in Norman received several complaints in that thread. It wasn't long before there was new management in that store... At that point the service improved dramatically and it was actually preety decent until recent weeks.... Some, including my self were under the impression that the thread did some good, at least for that store....

Maybe someone should Email this thread to the right people at Braums...? as was done the last time.

I'm like most others in that I like most Braum's carry out products that are prepared off site. Except for the chilly I haven't eaten anything prepared on site in many years.
Most of us who complain really do want this Oklahoma company to be successful and that's the place were the criticism is coming from IMHO

Now it looks as if some of you are jumping on post like you've been doing to Vision. I honestly don't understand the Braum's appologists on this board. It's like it's a personal offense to you if I say that their stores are dirty or their service sucks.

Flame away and I'll try to refrain from coming back to this thread.

I am not going to flame away, I am going to say that is your opinion based on your observation and I respect that. Now, if you were to come in here saying they are losing marketshare and they are going to go completely under because of the competition in the area, I might questions some things. That is where my issue with Vis lies.

I've been to 3 different Braums over the last year, Mustang Rd/I40, 60th/N May, & 39th/Penn.
Mustang Rd: One of cleanest, best service fast food places Ive ate at in a while.
60th: Meh, pretty so so all around.
39: Pretty nasty, probably could have bought crack and/or meth in the parking lot.

I think your average poster on this forum would admit that Braums could definitely use some work. It's just that there is one particular poster who seemed to equate this with the demise of the franchise and did so in a tone that was more than a little overblown and insulting to every other poster on here.

Not really. If I see something that isn't satisfactory, I say something or at least write in through their website. I always get a response back. It may not amount to much, but I feel sending feedback is important if you want any improvement. I could come on here and bitch and moan about Taco Bell screwing up my orders all the time or BK making me wait a half hour for food. That would solve nothing. I contact the manager of the story or corporate through the website and it get handled and I get a response back. If the Braums I frequent starts to go down the same path and gets all dirty, I'm definitely not going to apologize for them - they'll hear what I have to say and improve if they want my business.
If there's something wrong with my order or if I have a problem with a particular location of whatever business, I'll ask to speak to the manager. But since I've had this issue with Braum's all over the state for years and years, I see it as a systemic problem. One that won't be solved by talking to the manager at whichever Braum's I happen to be in at the moment.




I am not going to flame away, I am going to say that is your opinion based on your observation and I respect that.The thing is, it's the opinion of so many other people that I've had this discussion with over the years. If it's just one guy's opinion, then the opinion may very well be wrong and the business should just go on doing what they do best. But if many of your customers have that same opinion and it becomes what you're known for, then the business should look to make improvements.

The thing is, it's the opinion of so many other people that I've had this discussion with over the years. If it's just one guy's opinion, then the opinion may very well be wrong and the business should just go on doing what they do best. But if many of your customers have that same opinion and it becomes what you're known for, then the business should look to make improvements.

I understand. The point that I am making is you and everyone else are/is entitled to your/their opinion that Braum's needs to clean up their stores and have some better service and I will respect that you feel that way. I feel that way sometimes as well, I just don't like when people (not you) come on making outrageous accusations like losing marketshare and that all the other businesses around them are taking it. I never had any problem with anyone saying they were dirty, I have a problem when someone says people can't leave Braum's because their feet are stuck to the floor because they haven't been cleaned in a week. Or there is a line of cars a mile long and people are waiting 30 minutes for their food in the drive-thru. Those are outrageous accusations that I don't like that are simply not true and when someone posts facts about it, instead of admitting they are wrong and moving on, they make another outrageous claim.

I sent a message to the Braum's home office with a direct link to this thread. I also told them what I liked and didn't like about their restaurants. They are a pretty big company so I wouldn't expect too much to come of it.

I've been to 3 different Braums over the last year, Mustang Rd/I40, 60th/N May, & 39th/Penn.
Mustang Rd: One of cleanest, best service fast food places Ive ate at in a while.
60th: Meh, pretty so so all around.
39: Pretty nasty, probably could have bought crack and/or meth in the parking lot.

I think your average poster on this forum would admit that Braums could definitely use some work. It's just that there is one particular poster who seemed to equate this with the demise of the franchise and did so in a tone that was more than a little overblown and insulting to every other poster on here.

Really? You mean the same 5 bar-flies that disagree w/ every statement I make. When it comes to this conversation ( Braum's Business Practices ) I am Spot-on.

They are so conservative, it squeezes their level of customer service to a point of disappointment. Bottom Line. I started this thread so they could have the opportunity to see this and in hopes, make the appropriate changes. ...but most likely won't. That is "who they are".

Why is there not a Braums location in Tuttle? They have a sonic, taco mayo, pizza 360, and a couple local deals. This does not make sense to me, does it to you?

Just saw two delivery trucks in front of the Braums on Shields and 240. They must've been really low on stock, or perhaps they were shipping in some more employees from a different store. They are doomed and destined to go under.

They don't want to spend the "capital" for this location. The Sonic Corp. has a (near by store) for their customers in Bricktown. Why hasn't Braum's placed a store in the Hometown???

For Braum's to "not" have a location in Tuttle, is more telling to their financial capability.

But like I said at the beginning of this thread, Freddy's is building a new store just a few miles away from the Braum's Plant & Farm in Mustang. Maybe the people of Tuttle will enjoy that new store....???

Braums corporate office is actually location at 3000 N. E. 63rd Street and they have a store built into it. I guess they don't want to build a store in Tuttle near their industrial farm just for the hell of it.

Loves Travel Stops could build a fullsized 8 lane truck diesel, 16 auto travel stop at Hefner and Penn, but that would be pretty silly since its not near an interstate.

Braums corporate office is actually location at 3000 N. E. 63rd Street and they have a store built into it. I guess they don't want to build a store in Tuttle near their industrial farm just for the hell of it.

Loves Travel Stops could build a fullsized 8 lane truck diesel, 16 auto travel stop at Hefner and Penn, but that would be pretty silly since its not near an interstate.

Industrial Farm, I thought it was the "Braum's Family Farm"? Yeah, they wouldn't want to do any marketing or branding from that concept??? And a corporate location off 63rd is a great location for (nothing).

Idea: Concept Store in Tuttle w/ an early 1940's feel. Organic, Fresh, & Family fun. (hmmm ??? branding ??? ). ( You could even move the corporate offices to Tuttle, that would be a better location than 63rd) YOu could do so many things w/ the marketing.... unlimited.

Braums corporate office is actually location at 3000 N. E. 63rd Street and they have a store built into it. I guess they don't want to build a store in Tuttle near their industrial farm just for the hell of it.

Loves Travel Stops could build a fullsized 8 lane truck diesel, 16 auto travel stop at Hefner and Penn, but that would be pretty silly since its not near an interstate.

That's specious reasoning.

Love's caters to travelers and truckers. So yes, they'd want to be near an interstate where they would get plenty of business, not on a city street near residential areas.

Braum's caters to people who eat food. People in Tuttle eat food. A Braum's store makes perfect sense there.

OKVision4U,
I could be mistaken, but I believe the offices were built on N. E. 63rd before the Tuttle farm/ranch was started. The original was in Kansas. Of course they could move to Tuttle, but I knew some folks that worked there that wouldn't have been happy about the travel distance. I'm too lazy to research the history, but I have lived in the neighborhood for almost 40 years and know a little about it due to osmosis (or something like that).
C. T.

And a corporate location off 63rd is a great location for (nothing).

That's specious reasoning.

Love's caters to travelers and truckers. So yes, they'd want to be near an interstate where they would get plenty of business, not on a city street near residential areas.

Braum's caters to people who eat food. People in Tuttle eat food. A Braum's store makes perfect sense there.

Not any more specious than this statement.

You don't know what demographics or requirements Braums requires to build a store. Just because one Freddy's francise owner feels like a store will thrive in Tuttle doesn't mean Braums agrees.

They have two different ROI that their willing to accept.

I could be mistaken, but I believe the offices were built on N. E. 63rd before the Tuttle farm/ranch was started. The original was in Kansas. Of course they could move to Tuttle, but I knew some folks that worked there that wouldn't have been happy about the travel distance. I'm too lazy to research the history, but I have lived in the neighborhood for almost 40 years and know a little about it due to osmosis (or something like that).

based on this post, i decided to look this up. according to the braums site, the family originally started business in emporia kansas and became successful selling ice cream under the 'peter pan' name. in the early 60's they sold the ice cream business (but not the dairy itself) under the agreement that they would not sell ice cream in kansas for 10 years. as a result, the business decided to sell ice cream in oklahoma. to facilitate that, a processing plant was built in okc at the site of the current corporate offices. in 1968, the family purchased the farm in tuttle. in 1971, the herd in kansas was moved to tuttle. in 1987, the current processing plant was built in tuttle and the corporate offices were built on the site of the old processing plant. -M

OKVision4U,
I could be mistaken, but I believe the offices were built on N. E. 63rd before the Tuttle farm/ranch was started. The original was in Kansas. Of course they could move to Tuttle, but I knew some folks that worked there that wouldn't have been happy about the travel distance. I'm too lazy to research the history, but I have lived in the neighborhood for almost 40 years and know a little about it due to osmosis (or something like that).
C. T.

CT, they don't have to move anything. ...they could move it to Bricktown and have a new "face of the Brand"...and still have a 1940' Ice Cream store?

Why is there not a Braums location in Tuttle? They have a sonic, taco mayo, pizza 360, and a couple local deals. This does not make sense to me, does it to you?

There isn't a Sonic, Taco Mayo, Freddy's or Pizza 360 on Highway 37/I-44 either. Braums was one of the first stores to build on this stretch of road. I suppose one can argue that they should have built a store in front of their plant instead of along I-44 even though there was significantly less population near Tuttle when they made this decision over 20 years ago.

Of course, the higher population growth is occurring in Newcastle. So who exactly has made the better business decision?

There isn't a Sonic, Taco Mayo, Freddy's or Pizza 360 on Highway 37/I-44 either. Braums was one of the first stores to build on this stretch of road. I suppose one can argue that they should have built a store in front of their plant instead of along I-44 even though there was significantly less population near Tuttle when they made this decision over 20 years ago.

Of course, the higher population growth is occurring in Newcastle. So who exactly has made the better business decision?

I'm good friends with the owners of taco mayo and Tuttle is a top performing store. It just seems odd that you wouldn't have a flagship store in the town where your dairy farm operations are.

I'm good friends with the owners of taco mayo and Tuttle is a top performing store. It just seems odd that you wouldn't have a flagship store in the town where your dairy farm operations are.

I guess I just don't see it any more odd than Walmart not building Supercenters near all their distribution facilities.

I'm good friends with the owners of taco mayo and Tuttle is a top performing store. It just seems odd that you wouldn't have a flagship store in the town where your dairy farm operations are.

Valid question, but I have to suspect the reason would be volume - surely they've done the market analysis in that area and perhaps have concluded there just isn't sufficient customer density for a full retail outlet.

Knew someone who lived in Tuttle, and visited their family a few times, and its a really small town. Lot of folks think the Tri-City area is kinda "Tuttle North Light," and see all that growth around Newcastle, and assume Tuttle is the same way...but I don't think that's the case. Don't know that for a fact, though, been a long time since I've been down there...just a guess on my part.

I guess I just don't see it any more odd than Walmart not building Supercenters near all their distribution facilities.

They have one in bentonville.

Valid question, but I have to suspect the reason would be volume - surely they've done the market analysis in that area and perhaps have concluded there just isn't sufficient customer density for a full retail outlet.

Knew someone who lived in Tuttle, and visited their family a few times, and its a really small town. Lot of folks think the Tri-City area is kinda "Tuttle North Light," and see all that growth around Newcastle, and assume Tuttle is the same way...but I don't think that's the case. Don't know that for a fact, though, been a long time since I've been down there...just a guess on my part.

Its probably the case of a company picking "Low hanging Fruit" first.

Valid question, but I have to suspect the reason would be volume - surely they've done the market analysis in that area and perhaps have concluded there just isn't sufficient customer density for a full retail outlet.

Knew someone who lived in Tuttle, and visited their family a few times, and its a really small town. Lot of folks think the Tri-City area is kinda "Tuttle North Light," and see all that growth around Newcastle, and assume Tuttle is the same way...but I don't think that's the case. Don't know that for a fact, though, been a long time since I've been down there...just a guess on my part.

Tuttle has around 6000 population and Newcastle is around 8000.

It could be an attraction center kinda like a Ben and Jerry's. Take a plant tour ,buy some ice cream etc.....

It could be an attraction center kinda like a Ben and Jerry's. Take a plant tour ,buy some ice cream etc.....

hold on Garin, you are starting to sound like me. lol. Yes, they could do several things ( marketing / branding / new concept store / new product launches ), but that would mean spending "extra" money. That's not who they are.

I guess I just don't see it any more odd than Walmart not building Supercenters near all their distribution facilities.

no, in this case, it shows you what kind of company they are when it comes to ( Branding ). This is my point of the whole issue. They are SO tight & stale at the C-level, they miss these easy opportunities to really "show-off" their brand.

This is what Braums should do...

1. Move corporate offices to Tuttle.
2. They should adopt Tuttle the "official" hometown of Braum's.
3. They should embrace the "ole fashion" small town feel of Tuttle ( branding ). Really own the town.
4. Build a large corporate office and a new town square w/ a new concept store for all the new product launches.
5. Make it a destination point for family's ( tours , etc. ). Could run a trolly car to the plant.

This is just a couple of (low hangning fruit) marketing ideas.

Tuttle has around 6000 population and Newcastle is around 8000.

But in terms of prospective business volume, Newcastle gets a bunch of business from far SW OKC folks who hop on I-44 and head to Tri-City, but I doubt seriously much of that makes it all the way down to beautiful downtown Tuttle. Again, nothing but speculation on my part - certainly not presuming to spout any unsubstantiated facts.

But in terms of prospective business volume, Newcastle gets a bunch of business from far SW OKC folks who hop on I-44 and head to Tri-City, but I doubt seriously much of that makes it all the way down to beautiful downtown Tuttle. Again, nothing but speculation on my part - certainly not presuming to spout any unsubstantiated facts.

Burger guy, you are correct. If Braum's built the standard store in Tuttle, it would not succeed. Numbers / Numbers only, it would not be enough to stand alone and succeed.

If they built the concept I am speaking of and more branding w/ the town of Tuttle, then you would have a tremendous success. Make it a destination point for families.

If they built the concept I am speaking of and more branding w/ the town of Tuttle, then you would have a tremendous success. Make it a destination point for families.

Why stop there? Why not build Braum's Dairy Farmland amusement park? They could have roller coasters and a log ride but instead of water it could be skim milk. Instead of bumper cars they could have bumper cows! The possibilities are endless!!!

Why not? Because Braum's is in the fast food/grocery business. Not the entertainment business.

But you know what OKvision... You have all these great ideas. Why don't you take them and run with them? You should be able to build an empire in no time with your marketing genius and destroy Braum's once and for all.

Why stop there? Why not build Braum's Dairy Farmland amusement park? They could have roller coasters and a log ride but instead of water it could be skim milk. Instead of bumper cars they could have bumper cows! The possibilities are endless!!!

Why not? Because Braum's is in the fast food/grocery business. Not the entertainment business.

But you know what OKvision... You have all these great ideas. Why don't you take them and run with them? You should be able to build an empire in no time with your marketing genius and destroy Braum's once and for all.

Wow! I think I may have hit a nerve w/ you bbq eater...? This subject ( marketing ) may not be your specialty.

Walt Disney did it w/ a mouse, so I guess anything is possible w/ the (right marketing).

Wow! I think I may have hit a nerve w/ you bbq eater...? This subject ( marketing ) may not be your specialty.

Nah... That's just one more of your delusions. As I mentioned earlier on in this thread. You are just entertainment to me.

I lookup Freddy's corporate office. Its a decent little building beside a pond. Nothing special really. None of these fast food or ice cream businesses really need a large or extravagent corporate office.

Burger guy, you are correct. If Braum's built the standard store in Tuttle, it would not succeed. Numbers / Numbers only, it would not be enough to stand alone and succeed.

If they built the concept I am speaking of and more branding w/ the town of Tuttle, then you would have a tremendous success. Make it a destination point for families.

So answer this question. Why is Freddy's not building two stores? One in Tuttle and one near Braums along I-44 in Newcastle? Surely their not scared of Braums are they?

Is Rusty's still around in Norman? I worked there in summer of 2004. Fun job. Even funnier when customers attempted the "so thick you can turn it upside down" slogan.

Harry Bears used to bring your shake to your table carrying it upside down. That was the Harry Bears by the United Founders Tower. I think the only one left is the one in Moore. Don't know if they still do it though.

Not any more specious than this statement.

You don't know what demographics or requirements Braums requires to build a store. Just because one Freddy's francise owner feels like a store will thrive in Tuttle doesn't mean Braums agrees.

They have two different ROI that their willing to accept.

The statement you bolded is not specious.

I agree, they may need a higher ROI than their competitors, but for you to equate building a Braum's in a small town to Love's building a truck stop near a residential area is just stupid. It's not an apples to apples comparison. That's like saying Mercedes wouldn't put a dealership deep in the African jungle so Starbucks shouldn't put a store in Guthrie. The two have no relation.

However, if a Braum's store can survive in small towns like Hugo or Harrah, I don't understand why one couldn't do well in Tuttle.