What are Braum's plans for the OKC metro area stores? ...any new locations?

You are asking us? I thought you were the one with all the top secret Braum's information?

OKC, Moore, Norman has 31 Braum's locations. I reached this number by googling Braum's and when the locations came up on Bing, I counted them page by page. Most, if not all of them, have been renovated in the past five years to include more grocery space and remodels of the outside. So, when someone says Braum's is not investing in their locations, they are either ignorant or they are mad that money is not being invested where they think it should be invested. By comparison, Sonic has 60 locations but some of them are franchised out. Freddy's has eight locations and they are all franchised out. There are only two Steak and Shake locations in the metro. I believe all Braum's locations are owned and run by the company (please correct me if I am wrong).

In other words you don't know. You are crazy if you expect us to believe after several thread pages that you care about Braums feelings.

If I didn't care, I would just be the quite customer that leaves w/o saying anything.

It's not about Braum's "feelings", it's about YOU, the customer. They should re-invest back into their stores so YOU can have a better dining experience. But, Braum's is NOT that kind of company.

I have choices now. ... hello Blizzard. ...hello Steak & Shake ( their shakes are great!) ...hello Freddy's ( a very cool place w/ kids!).

Honestly, you alternate between sounding like you're angling for a gig and whizzing and moaning because your shake was too thin or something.
I'd tink about calling all hat, no cattle on ya at this point, but I'm really not that convinced about the hat either.

If I didn't care, I would just be the quite customer that leaves w/o saying anything.

It's not about Braum's "feelings", it's about YOU, the customer. They should re-invest back into their stores so YOU can have a better dining experience. But, Braum's is NOT that kind of company.

I have choices now. ... hello Blizzard. ...hello Steak & Shake ( their shakes are great!) ...hello Freddy's ( a very cool place w/ kids!).

No, I was referring to this statement you made.

...it would not be nice if I posted ( data ) about a Private Company


So your right its not about "feelings". So why don't you post the financial data or just admit its just your opinion based on what you as one customer sees.

Honestly, you alternate between sounding like you're angling for a gig and whizzing and moaning because your shake was too thin or something.
I'd tink about calling all hat, no cattle on ya at this point, but I'm really not that convinced about the hat either.

KP, stay focused now, I know some of you have a tendancy to "drift during class". It's not about me, it's about a local (moderate) size privately held corporation that has (279) stores in a 300 mile radius from the plant. This format has been a very successful approach for the past 30 years "with out" competition. Now that the big boys have moved in ( DQ ), what will Braum's do to keep their Profit Margins in place? ( and YES, I agree that the "Fresh Market" for Braum's is a big plus for them, but you need foot-traffic to make that work.) Braum's has many of their 279 stores in very poor (forgotten) locations.

Steak & Shake are here in force and doing well. Freddy's is thriving and building NEW stores in HIGH traffic areas. DQ is just getting started and they have the original "Blizzard". So, what is the move for Braums? ...do they expand out past their 300 mile radius? ....do they build new stores in the OKC / Tulsa metros?

This is a business strategy question that I place here, and Bill & Drew know this is their concern too. I'm interested in seeing HOW they respond. ...or if they respond at all.

I am focused. B has had competition the entire time. You sound off as though they were the only burger or cone to be had and then boom, they got surprised and their hats handed to them.
Deflect all you want, but you continue to sound as though there is something real personal in this for you.

B seems to be doing fine from all outward appearances, with or without your approval of their business model. I suspect they will continue to do so. But keep grasping at straws. Maybe you'll find a yummy milkshake at the end of one.

I am focused. B has had competition the entire time. You sound off as though they were the only burger or cone to be had and then boom, they got surprised and their hats handed to them.
Deflect all you want, but you continue to sound as though there is something real personal in this for you.

B seems to be doing fine from all outward appearances, with or without your approval of their business model. I suspect they will continue to do so. But keep grasping at straws. Maybe you'll find a yummy milkshake at the end of one.

What? Braums and DQ have been competing for awhile now? Nah couldn't be. :)

It's kinda funny...and sad at the same time...to keep reading these rantings. Yes ignore is great, but the entertainment value is also good for a morning laugh. So I had a spare 20 seconds and was like, if the "big boys" just moved in and are now competing with Braums - I wonder what the market looks like where Braums is located in other areas. So I did a quick map of Braums (left) locations versus DQ (right) locations...

http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/feb14/braumsvsdq.png

Yup...Braums has zero experience competing with DQ. Oh no...what will they do!

I am focused. B has had competition the entire time. You sound off as though they were the only burger or cone to be had and then boom, they got surprised and their hats handed to them.
Deflect all you want, but you continue to sound as though there is something real personal in this for you.

B seems to be doing fine from all outward appearances, with or without your approval of their business model. I suspect they will continue to do so. But keep grasping at straws. Maybe you'll find a yummy milkshake at the end of one.

KP, now that's funny! ...but your history / memory of the market place is far behind your wit.

When did Steak & Shake get here? ( recently in the past few years) ...Freddy's? (recently, in the past few years) ...DQ ( the paint is not even dry yet.)

KP, now that's funny! ...but your history / memory of the market place is far behind your wit.

When did Steak & Shake get here? ( recently in the past few years) ...Freddy's? (recently, in the past few years) ...DQ ( the paint is not even dry yet.)

When did most restaurant chains get here? Recently due to our Okie economy outperforming the national average

The Freddy's on Penn has been there for over five years. I remember when it was built, I was working at a bank a mile away. I still went to the Braum's further south on May instead.

KP, now that's funny! ...but your history / memory of the market place is far behind your wit.

When did Steak & Shake get here? ( recently in the past few years)

And Steak & Shake has already closed one of their locations..... I can't recall any Braum's locations being permanently closed recently.

I'd tink about calling all hat, no cattle on ya at this point, but I'm really not that convinced about the hat either.
All hat, no cattle. Very nice. I'm going to have to use that one.

What? Braums and DQ have been competing for awhile now? Nah couldn't be. :)

It's kinda funny...and sad at the same time...to keep reading these rantings. Yes ignore is great, but the entertainment value is also good for a morning laugh. So I had a spare 20 seconds and was like, if the "big boys" just moved in and are now competing with Braums - I wonder what the market looks like where Braums is located in other areas. So I did a quick map of Braums (left) locations versus DQ (right) locations...

http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/feb14/braumsvsdq.png

Yup...Braums has zero experience competing with DQ. Oh no...what will they do!

Venture, we can always rely on your reports..... Weather / Flight Schedules, and now a map of locations.

I see a map of a national chain DQ, that has some very deep pockets w/ a very large revenue base to operate from. ( this is the chess vs. checkers conversation.)

...and don't forget Freddy's new locations. ...and don't forget Steak & Shake new locations. Those (3) corporations must see something that you don't. They would not spend the capital if the return was NOT available. Don't overlook that.

When did most restaurant chains get here? Recently due to our Okie economy outperforming the national average

Don't you mean our Oil & Gas economy? ...it we take that out of the equation, it gets a little thin.

You all should give up. You are not going to win this argument against person. You could have all the facts in the world and it wouldn't matter. You could have a study put out by a third party that says Braum's market share is increasing due to their increased grocery options and you would still be wrong in his eyes. Best just to move on and hope he doesn't follow.

You all should give up. You are not going to win this argument against person. You could have all the facts in the world and it wouldn't matter. You could have a study put out by a third party that says Braum's market share is increasing due to their increased grocery options and you would still be wrong in his eyes. Best just to move on and hope he doesn't follow.

Ehhh... Waving the red cape in front of the bull's face helps break up the monotony of the day. :wink:

warreng, I did acknowledge the Fresh Market initiative they are running. see below.
KP, stay focused now, I know some of you have a tendancy to "drift during class". It's not about me, it's about a local (moderate) size privately held corporation that has (279) stores in a 300 mile radius from the plant. This format has been a very successful approach for the past 30 years "with out" competition. Now that the big boys have moved in ( DQ ), what will Braum's do to keep their Profit Margins in place? ( and YES, I agree that the "Fresh Market" for Braum's is a big plus for them, but you need foot-traffic to make that work.) Braum's has many of their 279 stores in very poor (forgotten) locations.

Steak & Shake are here in force and doing well. Freddy's is thriving and building NEW stores in HIGH traffic areas. DQ is just getting started and they have the original "Blizzard". So, what is the move for Braums? ...do they expand out past their 300 mile radius? ....do they build new stores in the OKC / Tulsa metros?

This is a business strategy question that I place here, and Bill & Drew know this is their concern too. I'm interested in seeing HOW they respond. ...or if they respond at all.

Braum's is the "forgotten" brand though. ...their locations are "weak" ( not in the NEW high-volume districts). ...and if the truth were told, most of you would not even think of Braum's in a given week. I'm the one that brought this to the front by starting this thread. ...Braum's suffers from the relevance issue of consumers. ( less, the seniors group )

Braum's is the "forgotten" brand though. ...their locations are "weak" ( not in the NEW high-volume districts).

Is their any chance your name is Cher Horowitz?

Is their any chance your name is Cher Horowitz?

bbq eater, is your name Bubba?

You all should give up. You are not going to win this argument against person. You could have all the facts in the world and it wouldn't matter. You could have a study put out by a third party that says Braum's market share is increasing due to their increased grocery options and you would still be wrong in his eyes. Best just to move on and hope he doesn't follow.

Maybe we could start a decoy thread with some inflammatory title like "SECRET DQ PLANS TO KILL BRAUM'S UNVEILED!! DREW BRAUM TO JUMP OFF SUGAR CONE!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!" and get him to go over there, and then we all sneakily go somewhere else, start a thread with a boring title like "Plaid: Friend or Foe?" have a nice, normal discussion there :)

You can shoot at the messenger it you like, but that does not change the fact that Braum's has some BIG issues. ....Bill & Drew know this and will have to address it (one way or the other).

Hello "Blizzard".

Maybe we could start a decoy thread with some inflammatory title like "SECRET DQ PLANS TO KILL BRAUM'S UNVEILED!! DREW BRAUM TO JUMP OFF SUGAR CONE!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!" and get him to go over there, and then we all sneakily go somewhere else, start a thread with a boring title like "Plaid: Friend or Foe?" have a nice, normal discussion there :)

SD, You seem to be THE burger guy...Will Braum's build any new stores in the OKC / Tulsa metros in the next 2 years? I'm thinking they won't.

Steak & Shake are here in force and doing well.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BVBENoH3ChY/TwLFKYEe24I/AAAAAAAAC_w/tDjbDmwrdRQ/s1600/laughing.smileface2.gif

For anyone curious as to facts, Steak and Shake have two OKC metro locations. One on I-40 and Air Depot near Tinker and the other one off I-40 and Rockwell in that shopping center. Not sure how that is "in force".

And keep in mind this is the same person who claimed that the implementation of the original MAPS was seamless...

For anyone curious as to facts, Steak and Shake have two OKC metro locations. One on I-40 and Air Depot near Tinker and the other one off I-40 and Rockwell in that shopping center. Not sure how that is "in force".

And they had one in Edmond that is now a Raising Cane's..... Nothing like closing a location within a couple of years of it opening to make a show of force. I haven't seen anything about any Braum's stores closing in Edmond.

For anyone curious as to facts, Steak and Shake have two OKC metro locations. One on I-40 and Air Depot near Tinker and the other one off I-40 and Rockwell in that shopping center. Not sure how that is "in force".

I'm still trying to figure that out. I think it is pretty evident someone is just here to be a distraction and has been for months now in multiple threads. Though it is pretty crazy just how fanatic someone can be. Looking over the posts the whole thing seems to come down to the BLIZZARD! Big deal. I've had it before, it's nothing special. I'd rather get something from Custard Factory (formerly Rustys) here in Norman that is 10x better. However, some people like DQ, some like Braums, and some like Sonic...no idea why on that one. ;) Is Braums going out of business because DQ is getting back into the metro area? No. No proof has been provided of that. What we do know is that Braums has been competing successfully in many locations in the region where DQ has a bigger foot print.

SD, You seem to be THE burger guy...Will Braum's build any new stores in the OKC / Tulsa metros in the next 2 years? I'm thinking they won't.

....????? any? ....what are the projections for OKC metro? I"m guessing ZERO.

SD, ??? Warreng ??? bbq ???? any new locations in OKC metro? Venture, you're good w/ maps, and new Braum's locations in the next 2 years for OKC metro?

For anyone curious as to facts, Steak and Shake have two OKC metro locations. One on I-40 and Air Depot near Tinker and the other one off I-40 and Rockwell in that shopping center. Not sure how that is "in force".

And a third location closed a year or two ago. It seems like Steak and Shake is the one having troubles getting market share. Probably has something to do with the fact that their concept is very similar to Freddy's which is more of a direct competitor than Braums is.

I'm still trying to figure that out. I think it is pretty evident someone is just here to be a distraction and has been for months now in multiple threads. Though it is pretty crazy just how fanatic someone can be. Looking over the posts the whole thing seems to come down to the BLIZZARD! Big deal. I've had it before, it's nothing special. I'd rather get something from Custard Factory (formerly Rustys) here in Norman that is 10x better. However, some people like DQ, some like Braums, and some like Sonic...no idea why on that one. ;) Is Braums going out of business because DQ is getting back into the metro area? No. No proof has been provided of that. What we do know is that Braums has been competing successfully in many locations in the region where DQ has a bigger foot print.

Venture, if my position is opposite of yours, then I feel VERY strong in my POV. That let's me know that I am not in the "typical okie" way of doing business. Doing the same thing over / over and expecting a different result.

This is a Corporate Wake Up call for Braum's. ...you may not have an understanding of what I'm saying, but that's ok. ...enjoy your shake.

....????? any? ....what are the projections for OKC metro? I"m guessing ZERO.

SD, ??? Warreng ??? bbq ???? any new locations in OKC metro? Venture, you're good w/ maps, and new Braum's locations in the next 2 years for OKC metro?

I did reply to your post and you chose to ignore it:

http://www.okctalk.com/businesses-employers/36665-braums-ice-cream-dairy-stores-12.html#post753080

One thing I think a certain poster is leaving out is that Braum's is noteworthy for its vertical integration in which all the food products sold at Braum's are processed or manufactured directly by the company. Braum's owns its own feed mill, dairy herd, processing plant, bakery, stores and delivery trucks. It's also the only major ice cream maker to still milk its own cows. As for Sonic, S&S, Freddy's and DQ, can they say the same? That is how they are making so much money and not changing what they are doing. Do me a favor and have a Braum's burger and shortly after have the same burger from one of the others. You can tell the difference in the meat, bread, vegetables, etc.

no warreng, I have said many times, that their business model of integration is both an asset & liability. It gets costly to have (the farms / the plants / distribution / fleet of trucks , etc ) that burden, it gets heavy.

...and I have said their products are very good, but they are forgotten by the consumer.

You know the worst thing about B's locations? The absolute worst? It's that if you listen close from their parking lot, from almost every B location in existence today, you can hear the trains blare their horns in the distance. Oh, the trains, the trains, the trains. They bring such pain to some and such joy to others.

Can we please focus this energy on something important and finally, finally, have an honest discussions about the sounds of trains?

You know the worst thing about B's locations? The absolute worst? It's that if you listen close from their parking lot, from almost every B location in existence today, you can hear the trains blare their horns in the distance. Oh, the trains, the trains, the trains. They bring such pain to some and such joy to others.

Can we please focus this energy on something important and finally, finally, have an honest discussions about the sounds of trains?

Don't you freaking dare...we've had peace and quiet for like 6 months. Now we are going to get a 2014 edition of why trains still blow their horns. LOL

OKVision4U,
Please explain how Steak & Shake is here in force and doing well. Two stores in the metro, one in Midwest City and the other in far West OKC on S. W. 3rd. The Edmond store failed, so if that's "doing well", I'm at a loss for words. And I don't know if there were others, but their web page shows two in the metro area.
C. T.

Steak & Shake are here in force and doing well.

Don't you freaking dare...we've had peace and quiet for like 6 months. Now we are going to get a 2014 edition of why trains still blow their horns. LOL

Plaid is our friend.

OKVision4U,
Will the DQ stores be company stores, or as in the past, franchises? If they are franchises, the corporate deep pockets have little meaning to a local mom and pop, or even a man like Charlie Dunn that owned many franchise stores years ago. Their success depends on their own management philosophy and their ability to survive the financial ups and downs associated with the food store industry.
C. T.

I see a map of a national chain DQ, that has some very deep pockets w/ a very large revenue base to operate from. ( this is the chess vs. checkers conversation.)

no warreng, I have said many times, that their business model of integration is both an asset & liability. It gets costly to have (the farms / the plants / distribution / fleet of trucks , etc ) that burden, it gets heavy.

...and I have said their products are very good, but they are forgotten by the consumer.

How do you know they are forgotten by the consumer? Where are the figures to support that claim?

How do you know they are forgotten by the consumer? Where are the figures to support that claim?

The leprechauns told them while they were riding a unicorn.

The leprechauns told them while they were riding a unicorn.

ahhh, so that's what the kids call it these days.
:)

So, since Vis seems so convinced that all Braum's are terrible and need to be updated, I decided to get the best proof I could. Urbanspoon...

Braum's has 52 stores in the metro and on urbanspoon got an average of 82% approval rating. The low was 66, the high was 100

In comparison, Sonic has 79 stores in the metro and on urbanspoon got an average of 50% approval rating. The low was 0 (a few of those) and the high was 100.

Dairy Queen is Moore has a 50% approval rating with 26 votes.

Freddy's has eight stores and an 85.88% approval rating. They are doing quite well and I wish them the best, just not my taste.

Steak N' Shake has two stores with a 62% approval rating.

So, since Vis seems so convinced that all Braum's are terrible and need to be updated, I decided to get the best proof I could. Urbanspoon...

Braum's has 52 stores in the metro and on urbanspoon got an average of 82% approval rating. The low was 66, the high was 100

In comparison, Sonic has 79 stores in the metro and on urbanspoon got an average of 50% approval rating. The low was 0 (a few of those) and the high was 100.

Dairy Queen is Moore has a 50% approval rating with 26 votes.

Freddy's has eight stores and an 85.88% approval rating. They are doing quite well and I wish them the best, just not my taste.

Steak N' Shake has two stores with a 62% approval rating.

How dare you actually bring measurable figures and results to this discussion.

How dare you actually bring measurable figures and results to this discussion.

No doubt! It's like bringing a bazooka to a pillow fight! :wink:

How dare you actually bring measurable figures and results to this discussion.

Keep doing this and Drew Braum is going to be paying someone a nasty visit involving some spoiled ice cream and private sales figures.

I'm glad you all found these facts as entertaining as I knew you would. :)

Keep doing this and Drew Braum is going to be paying someone a nasty visit involving some spoiled ice cream and private sales figures.

SD, keep doing what? ...Their service is slow. Their stores are dirty. A person doesn't want to place their arms on the tables because the kids from a month ago, dripped ice cream there and still hasn't been cleaned up

I think Drew already knows their customer service is really poor. ...the consumers do.

I would like Vision to respond to the information I posted about urbanspoon and actual photographic evidence of table so dirty people don't want to place their arms on it.

Rumor has it that there have been very few customers at the metro Braums locations today...Another bad sign.

Rumor has it that there have been very few customers at the metro Braums locations today...Another bad sign.

And very low on bread and milk since yesterday evening.

And very low on bread and milk since yesterday evening.



How dare they not have enough in stock to full the demand created by the chance of the white stuff. I bet they couldn't pay their suppliers and are going out of business tomorrow. Yup that's it. Oh wait! I know. The suppliers couldn't get into the stores before the traffic was so backed up from it taking them so long to give out orders. Yes there we go.

In case you guys haven't heard DQ has been named the official sponsor of the 2020 Olympics to be held in OKC.

In case you guys haven't heard DQ has been named the official sponsor of the 2020 Olympics to be held in OKC.

Are they moving their world headquarters to the upcoming high rise office tower in far south Norman?

Are they moving their world headquarters to the upcoming high rise office tower in far south Norman?

Pushed it to 39 stories by last report.

SD, keep doing what? ...Their service is slow. Their stores are dirty. A person doesn't want to place their arms on the tables because the kids from a month ago, dripped ice cream there and still hasn't been cleaned up

I think Drew already knows their customer service is really poor. ...the consumers do.

I have never known any of them be dirty. Most are well kept and well stocked. The only location that falls into that category is the store at 59th and Walker. To my knowledge, it does not even have a drive thru but, it still does fairly well business wise.

Only conclusion I can come to is that you (or someone near and dear to you) are a former disgruntled employee or something like that. If you are not, I am surprised you have not pointed out bad service and unclean conditions to managers or to the corporate office. Braum's does respond to complaints. I have written them a time or two in the past and got a response by phone.

Are they moving their world headquarters to the upcoming high rise office tower in far south Norman?

Actually....yes. It will be so tall you can see the torch lighting ceremony from there.

Are they moving their world headquarters to the upcoming high rise office tower in far south Norman?

I'm glad you guys are finally taking a "look" outside the box. Thinking Big doesn't hurt as much as you might have thought. Venture, Ijbab, warreng, trousers, you will find that it is easier to get your trucks to travel at a hight rate of speed, once you shift out of 1st gear. ....yes, there is more to life out there, you don't have to be affraid of success.

Still haven't answered my challenge from yesterday. I want photographic proof that these Braum's are disgusting and gross and dirty. What do you think about my research on Urbanspoon? I have never seen a Braum's where there was ice cream all over the table and it was sticky from a month ago. I worked in food service and the last thing you did before you left for the night if you were closing was wide down all the tables with a cloth that had been dipped in a bleach-water mixture to kill any bacteria. Once the restaurant was closed and everyone went home, someone stayed to mop the tile floors and vacuum the carpet. These are not options, these are things you are required to do by law. If you ignore it, people could hurt themselves and get sick. So, I find it hard to believe that all Braum's (a multimillion dollar company) are ignoring these facts and just letting the tables and floors remain sticky for all time. Yes, they might be if you go at 10:00 and they just had a rowdy group of high schoolers in there, but not all the time like you are saying.

warren - as a famous poster here pointed out (and think his name started with "warren" :) ), the ignore option is a wonderful thing. Don't let anyone here live in your head rent-free. :) No one takes this guy seriously.

warren - as a famous poster here pointed out (and think his name started with "warren" :) ), the ignore option is a wonderful thing. Don't let anyone here live in your head rent-free. :)

I was fine for a little while but I hate when people have no facts to back up their assertations and just keeping throwing out the same thing over and over when it makes no sense and there is literally 0 proof as to their claims. The other issue is other people are engaging with him so I see the quotes from him eventhough I have him on ignore. One of my only pet peeves about this website.