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warreng88
02-25-2014, 11:28 AM
20 story tower in the middle of no where, in view of Olympic stadium, with maglev service featuring on board Braums locations. Is that the point we are at now in these ridiculous discussions? LOL

Braums is like anyone else. They have stores that do well, they have stores that do poorly. What can you do? Sure it would be awesome if they were all performing at a high level, but that just isn't realistic in many cases. My store does well and I enjoy going there. Same friendly people every week and it is always clean and service is good.

But hey...that snow cone trailer will open up soon down the street from it and we know it'll run Braums out of the frozen treat market.

I still don't know why people don't put him on ignore instead of getting into a debate they will never win. It has made my anxiety on this board so much lower than when I used to engage with him in the past. Although sometimes it is fun to see what ridiculous things he has come up with lately. I just don't respond to them...

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 11:32 AM
20 story tower in the middle of no where, in view of Olympic stadium, with maglev service featuring on board Braums locations. Is that the point we are at now in these ridiculous discussions? LOL

Braums is like anyone else. They have stores that do well, they have stores that do poorly. What can you do? Sure it would be awesome if they were all performing at a high level, but that just isn't realistic in many cases. My store does well and I enjoy going there. Same friendly people every week and it is always clean and service is good.

But hey...that snow cone trailer will open up soon down the street from it and we know it'll run Braums out of the frozen treat market.

Hey Venture, how 'bout a weather report? ...an update on the flight schedule?

Yes, you see the same friendly customers there each week, their feet are stuck to the floor and they can't leave. They are stuck in the drive-thru lines and can't leave. Their cars ran out of gas while waiting for the 12 year old to make change on a $4.75 order w/ a $5.00 bill.

QT has the same HIGH level of customer service in their stores. That is a mandate from corporate. So, don't say it can't be done. They are beating LOVES w/ every new location.

trousers
02-25-2014, 11:34 AM
Braums needs lasers...they are very futuristic. Maybe a robot like Johnny 5 to take your order.

warreng88
02-25-2014, 11:43 AM
Braums needs lasers...they are very futuristic. Maybe a robot like Johnny 5 to take your order.

Yep and if they don't get lasers, they are going to lose laser market share to places like laser tag and the main event. The only way to stay relevant is to get lasers now. Otherwise, they will fall miserably into obscurity.

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 12:28 PM
Based on the following from the Department of Labor website:



It doesn't appear there's an obvious requirement for a break based on what you posted above. There may be Oklahoma law that applies, but any such exceptions are not among those listed by-state on the DOL website. Not sure otherwise.

In the Braum's example, does the cook & the cashier get a break in an 5 hr period? ...does ODOL ( Fed OSHA regulating agency for the state of Oklahoma ) have any "unique" standards that may apply? ...heat stress? job description? work-related environment? Yes they do.

They are very detailed in the requirements of EMPLOYERS (not employees) that operate in the state of Oklahoma regarding the employees rights to a safe work environment.

Dennis Heaton
02-25-2014, 12:34 PM
But hey...that snow cone trailer will open up soon down the street from it and we know it'll run Braums out of the frozen treat market.

LOL!!! That is so true! There was one parked at the old Shell station parking lot this past summer...right next door to the Braum's on Rockwell and Hefner. I wish a Taco Truck or Gourmet Burger Truck would park there instead!

warreng88
02-25-2014, 01:03 PM
FYI, I went to the Braum's drive-thru at 39th and Penn today for lunch at noon. From the time I placed my order and received my order (stopping at a seperate window to pay), I had to wait two minutes and ten seconds. Then the people had the audacity to get my order right and tell me to have a great day. Pffff, can't believe they are still in business.

SoonerDave
02-25-2014, 01:09 PM
FYI, I went to the Braum's drive-thru at 39th and Penn today for lunch at noon. From the time I placed my order and received my order (stopping at a seperate window to pay), I had to wait two minutes and ten seconds. Then the people had the audacity to get my order right and tell me to have a great day. Pffff, can't believe they are still in business.

Obviously corporate goons from both Steak & Shake **AND* DQ took armed control of the Braums you visited, shoved everyone into the fridge, and beat the manager with a "We're Taking Away Your Market Share" manual while cooking your order. Those clever fiends!

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 03:35 PM
I wonder how many more New Stores will be opened in the next couple of years in the OKC metro w/ Freddy's , Steak & Shake , DQ , etc.... ? vs. Braum's New Stores in the metro ? SD, you're the fact checker, how many does Braum's have scheduled for the metro? ...new stores. My guess is ZERO.

Dennis Heaton
02-25-2014, 03:43 PM
OKVision4U...How about we get a "Wienerschnitzel" in OKC, preferably just down the block from where I live?!

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 03:45 PM
So, speaking of Braums... Am I correct in thinking there was once a proposal for a store in Bricktown?

This is probably a little TOO forward thinking for Braum's. ...and it would cost money, ...so, no.

This idea would be a great way to "Re-Introduce" the customers w/ a NEW Brand Concept Store & New Product Launches for their offering...but that's too much for Braum's to manage.

SoonerDave
02-25-2014, 03:46 PM
OKVision4U...How about we get a "Wienerschnitzel" in OKC, preferably just down the block from where I live?!

Well, far be it from me to trump Vis, but we've had them in OKC twice - and they failed both times. First iteration was back in the mid 70's, and they were around for a few years, then shut down. They re-emerged about ten or so years ago, built a handful of locations - one on SE 29th - but were gone in seemingly under six months/year.

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 03:51 PM
Well, far be it from me to trump Vis, but we've had them in OKC twice - and they failed both times. First iteration was back in the mid 70's, and they were around for a few years, then shut down. They re-emerged about ten or so years ago, built a handful of locations - one on SE 29th - but were gone in seemingly under six months/year.

We are all just waiting on "IN-N-OUT" to cross the Red River now. ...double double.

Easy180
02-25-2014, 04:00 PM
I wonder how many more New Stores will be opened in the next couple of years in the OKC metro w/ Freddy's , Steak & Shake , DQ , etc.... ? vs. Braum's New Stores in the metro ? SD, you're the fact checker, how many does Braum's have scheduled for the metro? ...new stores. My guess is ZERO.

They are already all over the metro so probably don't have many new builds in the works. Sure they will just continue with their remodeling approach. Since they have been around for decades while the others haven't your new stores argument is weak as well

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 04:01 PM
I wonder how many more New Stores will be opened in the next couple of years in the OKC metro w/ Freddy's , Steak & Shake , DQ , etc.... ? vs. Braum's New Stores in the metro ? SD, you're the fact checker, how many does Braum's have scheduled for the metro? ...new stores. My guess is ZERO.

SD, how many new stores is scheduled to be built in the OKC metro w/ Braum's? ...any?

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 04:05 PM
They are already all over the metro so probably don't have many new builds in the works. Sure they will just continue with their remodeling approach. Since they have been around for decades while the others haven't your new stores argument is weak as well

Easy, you just described the "financial" well being of Braum's so well. This is their S.O.P. w/ the band-aide approach.... or a coat of paint. Cheap.

Easy180
02-25-2014, 04:07 PM
Easy, you just described the "financial" well being of Braum's so well. This is their S.O.P. w/ the band-aide approach.... or a coat of paint. Cheap.

So their approach should be to put two locations on each intersection? Just trying to follow you here which is becoming difficult.

Dennis Heaton
02-25-2014, 04:13 PM
Well, far be it from me to trump Vis, but we've had them in OKC twice - and they failed both times. First iteration was back in the mid 70's, and they were around for a few years, then shut down. They re-emerged about ten or so years ago, built a handful of locations - one on SE 29th - but were gone in seemingly under six months/year.

Thanks SoonerDaave...I moved to OKC in 1999, so I guess I missed them. We had one right off the beach in Pacific Beach (San Diego) when I was in high school back in the 60's. Loved their dogs!!

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 04:23 PM
So their approach should be to put two locations on each intersection? Just trying to follow you here which is becoming difficult.

Easy, I will slow down for you....help ya keep up. Braum's is NOT a national chain w/ 2,000 locations. They don't have THAT kind of revenue. Capital projects are not what they feel comfortable w/.

Thus, we won't see any NEW store locations for the OKC metro and (phase-out) any of the earlier locations.

warreng88
02-25-2014, 04:26 PM
So their approach should be to put two locations on each intersection? Just trying to follow you here which is becoming difficult.

Please, please, please put him on ignore. I am begging you.

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 04:29 PM
Please, please, please put him on ignore. I am begging you.

warreng, I forgot you were here. You problably don't have any input of this subject either? ...again.

warreng88
02-25-2014, 04:30 PM
Can someone tell me if Novision addressed me? I have him on ignore and it is glorious...

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 04:33 PM
Can someone tell me if Novision addressed me? I have him on ignore and it is glorious...

hey warren, do you think Braum's will add any new stores in the OKC metro in the next couple of years?

Roger S
02-25-2014, 04:33 PM
Can someone tell me if Novision addressed me? I have him on ignore and it is glorious...

He babbled something about you going out of business if you don't update your business model because you failed his "eye test".

Easy180
02-25-2014, 04:37 PM
Please, please, please put him on ignore. I am begging you.

Guess it's way past the point of letting this thread die. Moving on....

OKVision4U
02-25-2014, 04:42 PM
He babbled something about you going out of business if you don't update your business model because you failed his "eye test".

bbq, I can tell you have been "trying" to keep notes. You are close. ...but yes,

warreng88
02-25-2014, 04:50 PM
He babbled something about you going out of business if you don't update your business model because you failed his "eye test".

I have been to multiple restaurants that are dirty, the decor is outdated, the service is bad but the food is fantastic so it stays in business for years and years. It usually takes two out of the following three to make it in the restaurant industry: Great food for the price, Great service and great location. Braum's has good food (sometimes great) and good locations and good service. I have only a few times been to Braum's where I was disappointed in the service. So, with all that being said, I think Braum's will continue to update their current locations, adding more square footage for grocery and keeping their product the same. Their shakes are great, their ice cream is very good and I love their burgers and fries. That is all they are trying to sell. It is not a gormet restaurant where the place has to be modern with servers wearing flare.

Roger S
02-26-2014, 07:28 AM
I think Visions "eye test" might be failing them..... Not one comment on all the market share Taco Mayo has lost since Taco Bell and Del Taco moved into the area..... TACO MAYO IS DOOMED!!!

How about Mazzio's??? Are they doomed now that Marco's has moved into the neighborhood?

OKVision4U
02-26-2014, 07:38 AM
I think Visions "eye test" might be failing them..... Not one comment on all the market share Taco Mayo has lost since Taco Bell and Del Taco moved into the area..... TACO MAYO IS DOOMED!!!

How about Mazzio's??? Are they doomed now that Marco's has moved into the neighborhood?

bbq, since you have a great interest in Taco Mayo market share, you can start a thread on that one. Now you are getting it.

Braum's issues are far greater than just losing a few customers, they are a fully integrated company ( all their eggs in the same bascket, literally) and the rely 100% on the customers in this 4 state area. So, when several national chains enter your market, they do "eat into" that market-share in a very agressive way. So, yes, Bill & Drew are very nervous.

Roger S
02-26-2014, 07:51 AM
bbq, since you have a great interest in Taco Mayo market share, you can start a thread on that one. Now you are getting it.

Braum's issues are far greater than just losing a few customers, they are a fully integrated company ( all their eggs in the same bascket, literally) and the rely 100% on the customers in this 4 state area. So, when several national chains enter your market, they do "eat into" that market-share in a very agressive way. So, yes, Bill & Drew are very nervous.

Well problem solved... You need to take into account that Braum's has locations in 5 states. Then maybe you can see the entire picture.

kevinpate
02-26-2014, 08:40 AM
Vision, I'm uncertain if someone at a B's dropped a lime wedge in your strawberry shake, but dang if this rant of yours doesn't sound a wee bit personal in nature.
It's a burger & malt shop, with a reasonably to downright fanatical following. They'll be fine.

As an aside, my own lime dropper was a Sonic. Didn't hurt the overall flavor, but was a bit of a surprise to find a 1/4 of a lime in there. Not sure how the spinner didn't shred it.

venture
02-26-2014, 01:25 PM
Went to Braums last night. Clean store and they were packed. Only waited 5 minutes or so for food but it was all hot and fresh. Fries with just out and very tasty. Picked up some milk and ice cream at the little store section and we were in an out in 15 minutes. Granted much of that time was me pacing back and forth because I can't pick ice cream flavors to save my life.

SoonerDave
02-26-2014, 01:32 PM
Went to Braums last night. Clean store and they were packed. Only waited 5 minutes or so for food but it was all hot and fresh. Fries with just out and very tasty. Picked up some milk and ice cream at the little store section and we were in an out in 15 minutes. Granted much of that time was me pacing back and forth because I can't pick ice cream flavors to save my life.

You realize how hard this post makes it for a guy like me who is working to keep OFF the 70 lbs he's lost over the last three years to read this and not just TRIP over myself to get a Braum's Bacon Cheeseburger?!?!?

You, sir, are EEEEEVIL. :)

Roger S
02-26-2014, 01:49 PM
You realize how hard this post makes it for a guy like me who is working to keep OFF the 70 lbs he's lost over the last three years to read this and not just TRIP over myself to get a Braum's Bacon Cheeseburger?!?!?

You, sir, are EEEEEVIL. :)

I lost 109 lbs one year and everytime I would lose 10lbs my treat to myself was a Braum's low-carb ice cream cone..... So in 12 months I ate 11 cones... not a bad average. ;)

SoonerDave
02-26-2014, 01:54 PM
I lost 109 lbs one year and everytime I would lose 10lbs my treat to myself was a Braum's low-carb ice cream cone..... So in 12 months I ate 11 cones... not a bad average. ;)

Awesome. The key to any good diet in my book is to "treat" yourself to something special once in a while and just don't worry about it. Heck, if you can manage portion control and regulate your calorie intake the rest of the time, working in a treat every now and then doesn't necessarily have to be an arduous effort :) Props to losing 106 lbs, BTW :)

Easy180
02-26-2014, 01:58 PM
I lost 109 lbs one year and everytime I would lose 10lbs my treat to myself was a Braum's low-carb ice cream cone..... So in 12 months I ate 11 cones... not a bad average. ;)

Yeah yeah yeah. But more importantly what was your wait time for those cones? :Smiley122

Huge props on the weight loss. That's my main focus right now to try to get my heartburn fiesta to end.

venture
02-26-2014, 02:04 PM
You realize how hard this post makes it for a guy like me who is working to keep OFF the 70 lbs he's lost over the last three years to read this and not just TRIP over myself to get a Braum's Bacon Cheeseburger?!?!?

You, sir, are EEEEEVIL. :)

Me??? Evil?????

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26066&d=1374123279

hoya
02-26-2014, 02:13 PM
Any diet that would discourage meat, dairy, grain and (for some, not me) vegetables, well, that's a diet that needs to be reexamined.
of course, since one of my fav oh, hang it, let's eat meat meals is an off menu triple with extra bacon, warshed down with an oversize strawberry shake, I'm not one to use diet and Braum's in the same sentence.

About once a week I'll get a Braum's double cheeseburger and add bacon. Sometimes I'll get a chocolate malt to go with it (but usually a diet coke). It's way more calories than I should eat, but damn it's good.

Roger S
02-26-2014, 02:15 PM
Awesome. The key to any good diet in my book is to "treat" yourself to something special once in a while and just don't worry about it. Heck, if you can manage portion control and regulate your calorie intake the rest of the time, working in a treat every now and then doesn't necessarily have to be an arduous effort :) Props to losing 106 lbs, BTW :)

Portion control and walking/jogging 30 minutes a day was exactly how I did it. The doctor told me it was easier to cut 500 calories a day out of my diet than it was to exercise it off. I have to say it worked really well for me.

SoonerDave
02-26-2014, 02:45 PM
About once a week I'll get a Braum's double cheeseburger and add bacon. Sometimes I'll get a chocolate malt to go with it (but usually a diet coke). It's way more calories than I should eat, but damn it's good.

You're working with Venture on this "Torture SoonerDave" thing with all this baconcheeseburger talk, aren't you?

Cruel, cruel human. CRUEL.

:D

SoonerDave
02-26-2014, 02:48 PM
Portion control and walking/jogging 30 minutes a day was exactly how I did it. The doctor told me it was easier to cut 500 calories a day out of my diet than it was to exercise it off. I have to say it worked really well for me.

That's how I did it, too - cut back the calories and got my buttocks off the sofa and walked, walked, walked when I wasn't working in the yard a couple of summers back. I've kept it off two years now, and would actually like to lose another 10-15 or so this summer. Cut ten inches off my waistline, and I'm back in 36" jeans I haven't worn since 8th grade.

Roger S
02-26-2014, 03:00 PM
That's how I did it, too - cut back the calories and got my buttocks off the sofa and walked, walked, walked when I wasn't working in the yard a couple of summers back. I've kept it off two years now, and would actually like to lose another 10-15 or so this summer. Cut ten inches off my waistline, and I'm back in 36" jeans I haven't worn since 8th grade.

I gained some back when I re-married but I'm slowly wittling those pounds back off again. I managed to maintain through the winter months so once it warms up and I get outside. I should start losing again.

I'm a food addict and will binge eat even when I'm not hungry. Activity keeps me from doing that.

OKVision4U
02-26-2014, 04:58 PM
Vision, I'm uncertain if someone at a B's dropped a lime wedge in your strawberry shake, but dang if this rant of yours doesn't sound a wee bit personal in nature.
It's a burger & malt shop, with a reasonably to downright fanatical following. They'll be fine.

As an aside, my own lime dropper was a Sonic. Didn't hurt the overall flavor, but was a bit of a surprise to find a 1/4 of a lime in there. Not sure how the spinner didn't shred it.

I'm sure they will. ....hello Blizzard!

boscorama
02-26-2014, 09:17 PM
Breakfast: Braums. Not interested in trying DQ.

Lunch: Definitely DQ. Loved their footlongs, burgers were good, but only if the same as 30+ years ago. I want the same, not some "better" ****!

Dairy Treats: A toss up. Sometimes I want a B's single-dip Rocky Road cone. Sometimes I'm in the mood for a DQ dipped cone.

jn1780
02-26-2014, 10:24 PM
Breakfast: Braums. Not interested in trying DQ.

Lunch: Definitely DQ. Loved their footlongs, burgers were good, but only if the same as 30+ years ago. I want the same, not some "better" ****!

Dairy Treats: A toss up. Sometimes I want a B's single-dip Rocky Road cone. Sometimes I'm in the mood for a DQ dipped cone.

Speaking of Breakfast. Apparently Taco Bell is going to start selling breakfast March 27. Obviously another sign Braums is on the verge of bankruptcy.

And they sell different flavors of Mountain Dew under 32 degrees!!. Braums' market share is dangerously saturated. lol :P

SoonerDave
02-27-2014, 07:53 AM
Speaking of Breakfast. Apparently Taco Bell is going to start selling breakfast March 27. Obviously another sign Braums is on the verge of bankruptcy.

And they sell different flavors of Mountain Dew under 32 degrees!!. Braums' market share is dangerously saturated. lol :P

Taco Bell tried breakfast a couple of years ago, but didn't start selling it until 9AM - which raised the question, "why bother?" I hope they learned from that exhibition of marginal marketing judgment that an earlier time for breakfast might be a better idea this time around... :)

warreng88
02-27-2014, 09:19 AM
Man, they just cannot get their sh!t together:

OKLAHOMA CITY - A tanker truck spill Wednesday morning left many questions, and a popular local restaurant chain perhaps passing the buck.

A semi-tractor trailer leaked a liquid sugar compound along at least 15 miles of Westbound I-44, before the driver figured out what was going on and called the OHP. A spokesperson for Braum's says the truck was on its way to the Braum's distribution center in Tuttle.

Numerous vehicles that were traveling behind the tanker ran over that liquid sugar on the highway. One of them was Ryan Gay, who says he thought it was ice, and kept rolling through it for several miles, on his way to work.

Gay says a few hours after he got to work, after the compound had dried all over his truck, it was quite a mess. News 9 went and checked his truck out, and yes, it is quite a mess.

"How am I going to get it off without tearing off the paint?" He asked.

The Braum's spokesperson says when the tanker truck got to the distribution center, Braum's refused to accept the remaining load of liquid sugar. Because of that, she says they don't know the name of the trucking company responsible.

The OHP says because the driver pulled over on his own, and was not involved in an accident, he was not ticketed. OHP deferred questions about the name of the trucking company to Braum's.

OKC Man Says Sugar From Tanker Spill Is Stuck All Over His Car - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/24834801/okc-man-says-sugar-from-tanker-spill)

David
02-27-2014, 09:25 AM
Uhhh, maybe I'm missing something, but if I wanted to un-sugarcoat my car I would take it through a car-wash.

trousers
02-27-2014, 10:41 AM
This is what finally does Braums in...SyrupGate.

SoonerDave
02-27-2014, 10:48 AM
This is what finally does Braums in...SyrupGate.

The driver was actually an Evil Corporate Planttm from DQ. The guy who opened the spigot was from Steak-n-Shake.

Roger S
02-27-2014, 10:54 AM
The driver was actually an Evil Corporate Planttm from DQ. The guy who opened the spigot was from Steak-n-Shake.

And I'm pretty sure the guy in the sugar coated truck was from Freddys...... It's a national chain conspiracy to take out our beloved locally owned chain!

trousers
02-27-2014, 10:56 AM
It's actually a sign of Braums failure to use the most advanced, futuristic technology available. Everyone knows DQ has their syrup delivered via teleporter.

Dubya61
02-27-2014, 11:35 AM
Sometimes I'm in the mood for a DQ dipped cone.

Have you ever tried a chocolate shell coated cone at Braums? and if the chocolate coating on the ice cream (or soft-serve frozen yogurt) isn't enough, you can get them to coat the interior of the cone, too! Sometimes THAT's what I'm in the mood for.

OKVision4U
02-27-2014, 11:47 AM
And I'm pretty sure the guy in the sugar coated truck was from Freddys...... It's a national chain conspiracy to take out our beloved locally owned chain!

bbq, No it's called competition. Most businesses "drive" themselves on profits vs. losses and less competition (is better).

Roger S
02-27-2014, 01:27 PM
bbq, No it's called competition. Most businesses "drive" themselves on profits vs. losses and less competition (is better).

Yes we know.... Except for Braum's who is driving themselves into the ground based on hard and true data you don't seem to want to share with the rest of us.

By the way... My post you quoted was made using sarcasm.... Most of us have already sworn you off as a credible source of information in this thread but thanks for playing.

David
02-27-2014, 01:40 PM
Just in this thread?

Roger S
02-27-2014, 01:55 PM
Just in this thread?

Ok.... That actually made me laugh!

OKVision4U
02-27-2014, 02:12 PM
Ok.... That actually made me laugh!

...it would not be nice if I posted ( data ) about a Private Company. And the "few" of you in the sandbox here, well, let's just say that is typical for many small minded Okie "gitter done" crowd. "Well, we dun it this way fer the last 30 years and I ain't gunna change now".

Braums can ignore their large customer service issues and (HOPE) they can continue. Hope doesn't make it change. Braum's corporate would have to INVEST capital and they will NOT do that. They haven't for the past 30 years.

OKVision4U
02-27-2014, 03:02 PM
What are Braum's plans for the OKC metro area stores? ...any new locations?

jn1780
02-27-2014, 03:07 PM
...it would not be nice if I posted ( data ) about a Private Company. And the "few" of you in the sandbox here, well, let's just say that is typical for many small minded Okie "gitter done" crowd. "Well, we dun it this way fer the last 30 years and I ain't gunna change now".

Braums can ignore their large customer service issues and (HOPE) they can continue. Hope doesn't make it change. Braum's corporate would have to INVEST capital and they will NOT do that. They haven't for the past 30 years.

In other words you don't know. You are crazy if you expect us to believe after several thread pages that you care about Braums feelings.