I would go to Braum's or DQ...if they had Mt. Dew Floats.

SD, That overlapping % would be greater than 65% of their product offering! Maybe you haven't been inside a Braum's store before, maybe you are still waiting for your order at the drive thru... waiting, waiting, waiting.


65%? Please cite your reference for that number. Otherwise its a manufactured argument that doesn't bear further discussion.



SD, and Braum's has very good milk and worth the trip. But, Braums can't survive on JUST MILK.

Thankfully for them, they don't now, nor have they ever. Since you obviously don't realize this, you couldn't possibly have a cogent assessment of their business. So we're done here.

I would go to Braum's or DQ...if they had Mt. Dew Floats.

I can see the ad campaign now ... Do the ewwwww

What we really need around these parts are White Castle. You either love em or hate em. I happen to be one of the lovers.

Yep, the Porcelain Palace. Any time I'm in a city that has White Castle I have to stop and get a bag of them. I know you can buy them frozen in the grocery stores here but they are not the same as fresh sliders hot off the griddle. Sometimes I wonder if I like them so much because I can't get them fresh very often. The relatives I have in cities with White Castles say they hardly ever eat them.

And I ate at a Braums tonight in Newton KS. The store was clean, it took just a couple minutes to get my food (chicken sandwich and fries) and it was hot and tasted fresh. And the shake was great.

Yep, the Porcelain Palace. Any time I'm in a city that has White Castle I have to stop and get a bag of them. I know you can buy them frozen in the grocery stores here but they are not the same as fresh sliders hot off the griddle. Sometimes I wonder if I like them so much because I can't get them fresh very often. The relatives I have in cities with White Castles say they hardly ever eat them.
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Only a bag? Last time I flew into Detroit my friends met me at the gate with a Crave Case..... Those are some dang good friends!

If anybody is seriously comparing Braum's wait times to Freddy's, they are a moron. Freddy's takes FOREVER.

kevinpate...try one, you might like it. Kinda like peanuts in Pepsi or RC and Moonpies...it's a Southern Thang!

OKCRT...YES to White Castle!

65%? Please cite your reference for that number. Otherwise its a manufactured argument that doesn't bear further discussion.




Thankfully for them, they don't now, nor have they ever. Since you obviously don't realize this, you couldn't possibly have a cogent assessment of their business. So we're done here.

Sdave, ...this is not a "secret" recipe or trade secret. This is called a Menu...?!?!%$% Braums has it posted on the outside of the building on the Drive thru. You've seen it while you were waiting 2 hours for that shake. sdave, they also have several boards w/ their MENU listed for all the world to see. You may not be that familar w/ business practices...but this is a very common one. ...they offer burgers, shakes, malts, drinks, specialty items, fries, etc. ( I think you know where i'm headed w/ this.) That is my reference. ....next!

Assessment, yes, I provided several. sdave, you can ignore it, that's fine. Enjoy your shake. But, everyone in this market knows that Braums ( a privately owned corp ) is behind and struggling to catch-up. They are losing market-share and having more, and more competition open New stores each month. Now, sdave, while you may enjoying that ice cream, DQ / SnS / Freddy's hasn't helped Drew Braum sleep better at night. Drew knows this, all the execs know this, but you may not. ...that's ok, just enjoy that shake while you can.

Sdave, ...this is not a "secret" recipe or trade secret. This is called a Menu...?!?!%$% Braums has it posted on the outside of the building on the Drive thru. You've seen it while you were waiting 2 hours for that shake. sdave, they also have several boards w/ their MENU listed for all the world to see. You may not be that familar w/ business practices...but this is a very common one. ...they offer burgers, shakes, malts, drinks, specialty items, fries, etc. ( I think you know where i'm headed w/ this.) That is my reference. ....next!

Assessment, yes, I provided several. sdave, you can ignore it, that's fine. Enjoy your shake. But, everyone in this market knows that Braums ( a privately owned corp ) is behind and struggling to catch-up. They are losing market-share and having more, and more competition open New stores each month. Now, sdave, while you may enjoying that ice cream, DQ / SnS / Freddy's hasn't helped Drew Braum sleep better at night. Drew knows this, all the execs know this, but you may not. ...that's ok, just enjoy that shake while you can.

You should probably try turning your head to the right next time you walk into a Braums store. They have a whole section of items not listed on their menu. I know! Crazy! lol

You seem to be fixated on the fast food aspect of their business though.

You should probably try turning your head to the right next time you walk into a Braums store. They have a whole section of items not listed on their menu. I know! Crazy! lol

You seem to be fixated on the fast food aspect of their business though.

Yes, and most of the SKU's are Ice Cream. ...that is the 65%. You are right, it's cazy simple. The math is simple for most okies.

This thread is hilarious. Let me say this in my most educated voice

Braums ain't goin away

This thread is hilarious. Let me say this in my most educated voice

Braums ain't goin away

easy180, There is nothing funny at all. The bottom line is this, it they don't change, many Oklahoman's will lose their jobs ( to an outside corporation ). Most may not understand, Braum's Corp is NOT a deeply funded ( Public Co ) or even a National Company with 2500 stores at its fingertips for revenue. This is a company that is ONLY in a few local states. This is a regional company with a loyal customer base for the milk.

They were OK when the competition was not here and could survive on a mediocre product. They are losing customers in OKLAHOMA now. That is the difference. ( i don't have time for a full report here, but this is a wake-up moment ).

easy180, There is nothing funny at all. The bottom line is this, it they don't change, many Oklahoman's will lose their jobs ( to an outside corporation ). Most may not understand, Braum's Corp is NOT a deeply funded ( Public Co ) or even a National Company with 2500 stores at its fingertips for revenue. This is a company that is ONLY in a few local states. This is a regional company with a loyal customer base for the milk.

They were OK when the competition was not here and could survive on a mediocre product. They are losing customers in OKLAHOMA now. That is the difference. ( i don't have time for a full report here, but this is a wake-up moment ).

They did change. Like someone said look to the right when you walk in. You will see another healthy line on that side. Don't have any real competitors with the same setup

Hell if Burger King can exist for decades Braum's shouldn't have any worries at all lol

They did change. Like someone said look to the right when you walk in. You will see another healthy line on that side. Don't have any real competitors with the same setup

Hell if Burger King can exist for decades Braum's shouldn't have any worries at all lol

Like I said before, Braum's is NOT a National Company w/ 2500 stores for revenue. They may not be able to "weather" the financial storm. Braum's is a fully integrated company ( for products, this helps, but you must maintain a large % for margin w/ each $ / generated ). The company can't survive on ( fewer customers ) w/ each location. It doesn't add up.

Only Freddie's I've gone to were steakhouses. The one in Sapulpa (though it's been years now), and the now long gone Freddie's, aka Taylor's Inn, outside Poteau.Totally different enterprises! When the former Backyard Burgers location on Hefner just east of Rockwell closed and the location became a Freddie's, of course we tried it. The first time around, their "steakburger" was a novel change from Johnnie's, McD's, Sonic, or Braum's. The second time wasn't so good but still okay. The third time was our last. Almost inedible. And we've not been back since.

Which is no defense of Braum's sandwiches. We don't order them any more, either, but do go back for milk and for shakes. We've found huge differences between the three Braum's locations closest to us (MacArthur north of Memorial, Hefner and Rockwell, and NW Hiway west of Council). The MacArthur location is always in good condition, Hefner hardly ever is, and NW Hiway has little consistency. My conclusion is that the perceived variations are entirely due to the individual store managers -- and criticism should be aimed at corporate for its failure to demand consistency from those individuals.

BTW, there's similar variation among the Santiagos' McD franchises, and the various Sonics I patronize during their Happy Hours. I think it's inherent in the franchise system as opposed to company-owned outlets. Of course, Braum's isn't franchised so far as I can determine, so my conclusion isn't totally generic -- however corporate seems to be treating the individual managers as franchisees rather than as employees!

Like I said before, Braum's is NOT a National Company w/ 2500 stores for revenue. They may not be able to "weather" the financial storm. Braum's is a fully integrated company ( for products, this helps, but you must maintain a large % for margin w/ each $ / generated ). The company can't survive on ( fewer customers ) w/ each location. It doesn't add up.

Please post a link to your source of information regarding what you assert to be their below-average % margin for each dollar generated. As you clearly have access to their corporate financials, please also post figures that back your claims regarding same-store sales year-to-year, profitability, revenue, and customer counts in order to be making such unilateral proclamations about their financial health. And I'm still looking for the hard numbers that back up the 65% assertion you made earlier. Your response to me on this previously was to tell me to just "keep waiting in the drive through" or something equally inane, tossing tinfoil into radar, when all you have to do is post the facts behind your posts. I'm sure you have them, don't you?

Because someone who posts your kind of information, but is unable to substantiate it with facts would rapidly be exposed as someone talking out of their posterior otherwise.

Totally different enterprises! When the former Backyard Burgers location on Hefner just east of Rockwell closed and the location became a Freddie's, of course we tried it. The first time around, their "steakburger" was a novel change from Johnnie's, McD's, Sonic, or Braum's. The second time wasn't so good but still okay. The third time was our last. Almost inedible. And we've not been back since.

Which is no defense of Braum's sandwiches. We don't order them any more, either, but do go back for milk and for shakes. We've found huge differences between the three Braum's locations closest to us (MacArthur north of Memorial, Hefner and Rockwell, and NW Hiway west of Council). The MacArthur location is always in good condition, Hefner hardly ever is, and NW Hiway has little consistency. My conclusion is that the perceived variations are entirely due to the individual store managers -- and criticism should be aimed at corporate for its failure to demand consistency from those individuals.

BTW, there's similar variation among the Santiagos' McD franchises, and the various Sonics I patronize during their Happy Hours. I think it's inherent in the franchise system as opposed to company-owned outlets. Of course, Braum's isn't franchised so far as I can determine, so my conclusion isn't totally generic -- however corporate seems to be treating the individual managers as franchisees rather than as employees!

The staggering issues with Braum's is corporate. This is the part that MUST be relieved. They have a Goldmine, and they are running it in the ground. I don't think they know HOW to fix it.

Jim Kyle...I live just down the street from Freddie's. A fiend and I went there once in early 2013. The other day I saw they were advertising "Philly Steak Sandwich." I almost stopped in to get one because I am always trying to find a REAL Philly Cheese Steak Sandwich (Pat's King of Steaks). Recalling my first experience at Freddie's, I decided to go to City Bites instead.

Jim Kyle...I live just down the street from Freddie's. A fiend and I went there once in early 2013. The other day I saw they were advertising "Philly Steak Sandwich." I almost stopped in to get one because I am always trying to find a REAL Philly Cheese Steak Sandwich (Pat's King of Steaks). Recalling my first experience at Freddie's, I decided to go to City Bites instead.

Dennis, one of the best Philly's I've had around here is over at Jersey Mike's subs. Might give it a try. Won't pretend its on a par with a place like Pat's, but I think its better than most others...love Jersey Mike's subs and sandwich dressing. Great stuff.

Dennis, one of the best Philly's I've had around here is over at Jersey Mike's subs. Might give it a try. Won't pretend its on a par with a place like Pat's, but I think its better than most others...love Jersey Mike's subs and sandwich dressing. Great stuff.

Which one? I got a Philly at Jersey Mike's on NW Expressway between Rockwell and MacArthur this past summer...gave it to my neighbor's Chihuahua.

Which one? I got a Philly at Jersey Mike's on NW Expressway between Rockwell and MacArthur this past summer...gave it to my neighbor's Chihuahua.

Well, the only one I've dealt with extensively is their first one - the store at I-240 and Santa Fe. Can't make any claims about the rest, just know the one I got was very tasty. Sorry your experience was...less than enjoyable :)

The staggering issues with Braum's is corporate. This is the part that MUST be relieved. They have a Goldmine, and they are running it in the ground. I don't think they know HOW to fix it.

Your extreme dislike seems personal, actually.

SoonerDave...I will give it a try, when the weather clears up. Thanks! Got any recommendations for REAL (not frozen) Chile Rellenos?

Please post a link to your source of information regarding what you assert to be their below-average % margin for each dollar generated. As you clearly have access to their corporate financials, please also post figures that back your claims regarding same-store sales year-to-year, profitability, revenue, and customer counts in order to be making such unilateral proclamations about their financial health. And I'm still looking for the hard numbers that back up the 65% assertion you made earlier. Your response to me on this previously was to tell me to just "keep waiting in the drive through" or something equally inane, tossing tinfoil into radar, when all you have to do is post the facts behind your posts. I'm sure you have them, don't you?

Because someone who posts your kind of information, but is unable to substantiate it with facts would rapidly be exposed as someone talking out of their posterior otherwise.

sdave, you're not going to drag me into a website debate on corp financials, you had trouble w/ the easy math, why would I help you more? ...and I certainly don't need to spend time with you on this. You can stick you head in the sand as a customer, fine. It's a very simple note sdave, stores that offer lunch and don't have any lunch customers? ... is by definition "on there way out".

sdave, ...that's my reference.

Your extreme dislike seems personal, actually.

pq, it will be personal to all the employees that get a notice of G.O.B. That will be a VERY personal time. Your neighbors too.

I'm not an employee, just a customer. Fellow Oklahoman that would like to see it succeed.

sdave, you're not going to drag me into a website debate on corp financials, you had trouble w/ the easy math, why would I help you more? ...and I certainly don't need to spend time with you on this. You can stick you head in the sand as a customer, fine. It's a very simple note sdave, stores that offer lunch and don't have any lunch customers? ... is by definition "on there way out".

sdave, ...that's my reference.

Actually, it's "on their way out.."

As for "lunch stores that don't have any lunch customers," please post your reference that has information verifying that Braum's, across all their stores, now has zero customers in what they define to be their "lunch" business window, and include same-store performance over the last, say, five years. I'm just asking you to post the source of your information, and you consistently refuse.

While you continue to make this personal toward me, OKVis, all I'm asking is for you to post the sources of your hard financial information to which you obviously have access...and every time I ask for it, you come after me with things like "sticking your head in the sand," etc. I'm certain I'm not nearly as intelligent as you, OKVis, but I'm trying to educate myself with facts as best I can...and you clearly have the information, and all I'm asking you to do is share it with all of us...

Meanwhile, as we all wait for your hard information sources, the crickets just keep chirping.

As I said, I'm just waiting for the facts behind your posts, not your personal opinions circumscribed in words that try to sound like you have knowledge you really don't. But I still hold out hope. Very interested in seeing the hard sources for your financial information.

Actually, it's "on their way out.."

While you continue to make this personal toward me, OKVis, all I'm asking is for you to post the sources of your hard financial information to which you obviously have access...and every time I ask for it, you come after me with things like "sticking your head in the sand," etc. I'm certain I'm not nearly as intelligent as you, OKVis, but I'm trying to educate myself with facts as best I can... Meanwhile, as we all wait for your hard information sources, the crickets just keep chirping.

As I said, I'm just waiting for the facts behind your posts, not your personal opinions circumscribed in words that try to sound like you have knowledge you really don't. But I still hold out hope. Very interested in seeing the hard sources for your financial information.

sdave, I'm glad you agree.

sdave, I'm not obligated to you. You can't afford my report. You had made the "unreasonable" statement that there was Zero Overlapping in their product offering...and I showed you how you were wrong. Now, if you can't understand the simple / common points, then I can't help with the deeper issues into Braums future / health. This may not be your area of strength.

sdave, I'm glad you agree.

No, don't agree at all.

Still waiting for the source of your financial information, store performance statistics, any externally verifiable information.

Your extreme dislike seems personal, actually.

Maybe he spends too much time at the 39th/Penn location lol?

Maybe he spends too much time at the 39th/Penn location lol?

Nah, I just think he lives at a Holiday Inn Express and assumes he's the high expert on...everything :)

Nah, I just think he lives at a Holiday Inn Express and assumes he's the high expert on...everything :)

No, when I travel, I try to stay at the Marriott or equal. ...and yes, an expert of several things. Business, yes. That is on the list too.

No, when I travel, I try to stay at the Marriott or equal. ...and yes, an expert of several things. Business, yes. That is on the list too.

Actually, it's (self-proclaimed) expert "on" or "in" several things, not "of".... but that notwithstanding....still waiting for the links to the hard Braum's sales/financial data.

Which one? I got a Philly at Jersey Mike's on NW Expressway between Rockwell and MacArthur this past summer...gave it to my neighbor's Chihuahua.The NW Hiway Jersey Mike's has been pretty poor in my experience. The one on Memorial (south access road, east of May, near Men's Wearhouse) is great, however...

The NW Hiway Jersey Mike's has been pretty poor in my experience. The one on Memorial (south access road, east of May, near Men's Wearhouse) is great, however...

Think my in-laws had been pretty regular customers of the one on Memorial and very happy with it as well.

Actually, it's (self-proclaimed) expert "on" or "in" several things, not "of".... but that notwithstanding....still waiting for the links to the hard Braum's sales/financial data.

sdave, (if) any private corporation, is looking to aquire "addtional capital", then they may be available to view "outside" the corporation.

Enjoy your shake.

pq, it will be personal to all the employees that get a notice of G.O.B. That will be a VERY personal time. Your neighbors too.



I don't know what a G.O.B. is - I suspect that is something I should know but am a dumbass.

Dennis,
You might try Hobby's Hoagies in Edmond or downtown. One of my pet peeves is a Philly cheese steak sandwich with bell peppers, the originals are served with sport (I believe peperoncini peppers). I believe that's what they use at Hobby's. What kind of peppers are on Jersey Mike's?
C. T.

I don't know what a G.O.B. is - I suspect that is something I should know but am a dumbass.

... sorry, Going Out of Business.

Since apparently Braums is heading for bankruptcy, it is apparent the obvious turn around plan includes buildings a new 20 story super fresh market on Highway 9...but at May Ave (not South Norman) that includes multiple housing options but one their retail store in addition it will have Maglev service from the OKC HSR hub that connects the country and helps to bring people here for the 2024 Summer Olympics and also the 2026 Winter Games. Did I leave anything out? ;)

IMO Braum's biggest problem is not its products but it service and the quality of person they tend to hire.
Many locations are chronically understaffed and service is often very slow.
In spite of this I do try and shop Braum's for milk and sometimes other items whenever I can.

One minor detail Venture...Garth Brooks will be the General Manager of the market.

Braum's actually has been investing tons of money into their new Braum's Fresh Market stores and they are very nice. It will take time to renovate their stores, but Braum's is expanding and big time. Braum's is a great service and serves the best damn shake I've ever had. I have talked with Drew Braum and he is a great guy who is doing great things. He loves Oklahoma as much as you or me and wants to build the best quality stores he can. The thing is, you have apparently never owned and operated a business anywhere near the size of Braum's. It is not just as easy as saying, hey, here is $10 million, go renovate all the stores.

When you talk to Drew again, tell him that the stores just need to have good upkeep, be clean and effecient. It shouldn't take $10 mil to renovate all the stores, just keep the stores that you do have nice and clean. I don't mind one of the older model stores as long as it looks like someone cares about it - floors kept clean, tables cleaned in a timely fashion, effecient and friendly staff.

Maybe they need to consult with an efficiency expert. It seems that sometimes when you walk in no one knows what their assignment is so they all expect the other guy to wait on the customer. And the customer is left standing there staring down the people behind the counter looking to see who's gonna take the order. When I walk up to a McD's counter, they're ready to take my order before I've even decided. And then when I do decide, they're right there and ready to go.

I was at a Braum's just last night buying milk. There was only one person at the check out stand. The line had gone all the way down the aisle and turned the corner before another person came to open up a second register.

And for those saying that the parking lot is full and the drive through is full so nothing must be wrong, that's a poor excuse. You should always be looking for ways to improve your customer service. Ask how to make things better for your customers instead of just assuming "Well, we're making money so everything must be okay." Microsoft had that attitude and you see what happened to them when Jobs came back to Apple. MSFT is still trying to catch up with Apple and Google.

I like Braum's products. I know that when I buy their burgers, shakes, milk, meat etc. that I'm buying something that hasn't been injected with hormones. I know I'm getting a good product with quality control. They just need to change the way they get that product to me. Get it to me in a clean venue with efficient and friendly employees. That's all. I'll be happy. Use the same quality control you use for your poduct in your stores.

C.T....When I got home and unwrapped my order, it had jalapeno peppers and raw onions on it. Naturally I removed all that before I gave it to my neighbor's Chihuahua.

And for those saying that the parking lot is full and the drive through is full so nothing must be wrong, that's a poor excuse. You should always be looking for ways to improve your customer service. Ask how to make things better for your customers instead of just assuming "Well, we're making money so everything must be okay." Microsoft had that attitude and you see what happened to them when Jobs came back to Apple. MSFT is still trying to catch up with Apple and Google.

I was not making an excuse. I was making a point.

Despite all of monkeesfan...errr... I mean OKvision's insistence that Braum's is about to go belly up. I am not seeing that their customer base has gotten any smaller despite the additional competition of DQ in the metro. And they are definitely not going away to Sonic/Freddie's/DQ in the masses that OKVision has repeatedly spouted in this thread.

Dennis,
I like jalapenos and hate bell peppers, but I would rather have an original "wit". And if you don't know, "wit" means with Cheese Whiz. Yes, I have watched the PBS show about the original. I have had Philly cheese steak sandwiches in Philadelphia but not at Pat's, but they were very good, and I assume close to the original.
When I was working, I always enjoyed Braum's third pounder with cheese and fries. I usually bought it at the drive through window on Northwest Expressway and took it to lake Hefner to enjoy nature and relax with Paul Harvey and a good burger. It's a shame to hear that they aren't as good as they used to be, or at least as good as I thought they were. I have a friend that worked at their IT over on N. E. 63rd and he really enjoyed it. They (Braum's Headquarters) are my neighbors, only about five miles from my home.
C. T.
C.T....When I got home and unwrapped my order, it had jalapeno peppers and raw onions on it. Naturally I removed all that before I gave it to my neighbor's Chihuahua.

I like Braum's. They could be a tad faster. Not seeing them having issues here in Norman, but if they ever do hang a thanks, see ya sign, I'll go elsewhere. It won't destroy my hour, let alone my day, week or life.

It's burgers, ice cream and milk and groceries (not necessarily in that order.)
No more, no less.

Dennis,
I like jalapenos and hate bell peppers, but I would rather have an original "wit". And if you don't know, "wit" means with Cheese Whiz. y were. I have a friend that worked at their IT over on N. E. 63rd and he really enjoyed it. They (Braum's Headquarters) are my neighbors, only about five miles from my home.
C. T.

CT, it's not a traditional cheesesteak but there is a new BBQ trailer (Kosmo's BBQ) setting up near SW 44th and Council and he is making an Okie Cheesesteak that is chopped brisket with Cheeze Whiz on it and it is a mighty tasty variation of the Philly.

Since apparently Braums is heading for bankruptcy, it is apparent the obvious turn around plan includes buildings a new 20 story super fresh market on Highway 9...but at May Ave (not South Norman) that includes multiple housing options but one their retail store in addition it will have Maglev service from the OKC HSR hub that connects the country and helps to bring people here for the 2024 Summer Olympics and also the 2026 Winter Games. Did I leave anything out? ;)

:congrats:

Awesomeness, dude. Awesomeness.

That is the saddest part of all. The consumers have always desired their
products. Now, the consumer(s) has several other options w/ better customer
service / better facilities / ...and clean.
But not a better product, though. Braum's milk is tops and almost a dollar
less per gallon. The Braum's I go to are clean. That's not been a problem
that I've noticed.

But not a better product, though. Braum's milk is tops and almost a dollar
less per gallon. The Braum's I go to are clean. That's not been a problem
that I've noticed.

Bingo - this is the dichotomy of experience folks here are talking about - some good, some not so good, and its that obvious inconsistency Braum's needs to address.

Prunepicker...Bullseye on the milk!

I go to the Braums around 39th & Tulsa quite often and it is always clean and always busy. This is one of their newer store I believe. I live north of there a bit and there are other stores closer but this one is always good so I make the little extra trip

Now as far as Philly Cheese steak. There is/was a place in Penn Sq mall that makes the best one I have had in OKC. Can't remember the name of the place but they do a good job and it's worth the trip if you are in the area. Someone on here can prob. give us the name. But it blows the Jersey Mikes cheese steak away IMO. I have tried to find a good cheese steak from the sub shops and it seems impossible to find anything that resembles a real Philly Cheese steak.

I go to the Braums around 39th & Tulsa quite often and it is always clean and always busy. This is one of their newer store I believe. I live north of there a bit and there are other stores closer but this one is always good so I make the little extra trip

Now as far as Philly Cheese steak. There is/was a place in Penn Sq mall that makes the best one I have had in OKC. Can't remember the name of the place but they do a good job and it's worth the trip if you are in the area. Someone on here can prob. give us the name. But it blows the Jersey Mikes cheese steak away IMO. I have tried to find a good cheese steak from the sub shops and it seems impossible to find anything that resembles a real Philly Cheese steak.

Perhaps Charley's Steakery? Very good philly IMO. Can't vouch for its relative "authenticity", but they do make a really good one - and they make each one to order.

Home | Charleys Grilled Subs (http://charleys.com/)

Just saw the menu...I am going tomorrow! Thanks, SoonerDave (I'll get ya one while I'm there).

Only a bag? Last time I flew into Detroit my friends met me at the gate with a Crave Case..... Those are some dang good friends!

Last time I was driving home from Chicago I stopped at a WC in St Louis. The last one you pass on I44 before there are no more. I bought a couple of those cases and put them in an ice chest. When I got home about 8 hours later I froze most of them. They didn't keep very well frozen. I can put down about 6 in one setting if they are fresh but in my younger years I could easily put down a bag of 10. No cheese on them either. Many years ago while walking down the Boardwalk in Atlantic City not long after eating a nice dinner I spotted a WC right on the Boardwalk. Even though I had just eaten dinner I had to go in and get a couple sliders.

I go to the Braums around 39th & Tulsa quite often and it is always clean and always busy. This is one of their newer store I believe. I live north of there a bit and there are other stores closer but this one is always good so I make the little extra trip

Now as far as Philly Cheese steak. There is/was a place in Penn Sq mall that makes the best one I have had in OKC. Can't remember the name of the place but they do a good job and it's worth the trip if you are in the area. Someone on here can prob. give us the name. But it blows the Jersey Mikes cheese steak away IMO. I have tried to find a good cheese steak from the sub shops and it seems impossible to find anything that resembles a real Philly Cheese steak.

Can't say I have had any authentic philly's but the one with Cheese Whiz at Texadelphia is pretty darn tasty

Many years ago while walking down the Boardwalk in Atlantic City not long after eating a nice dinner I spotted a WC right on the Boardwalk. Even though I had just eaten dinner I had to go in and get a couple sliders.

HAHA... I have a similar story.... It was a Krystal's and not White Castle but on my first trip to Austin. We ate breakfast at Juan in a Million and I ate 1 1/2 Don Juan Tacos. We then made the 30 minute drive to Lockhart where I ate at Smitty's, Kreuz, and Black's BBQ in about a one hour time span. I ate 1/4 brisket and one ring of sausage at each. Needless to say I was miserable at this point and in the throes of full on meat sweats.

We decided to go see the Alamo and while driving through San Antonio my wife spotted a Krystal's. Somehow I manage to scarf down 6 Krystal's sliders on top of all that.

I didn't think Krystal's was quite as good but I'd settle for one here if we can't ever get a White Castle.

Perhaps Charley's Steakery? Very good philly IMO. Can't vouch for its relative "authenticity", but they do make a really good one - and they make each one to order.

That's it. They make a pretty decent cheese steak,at least to my taste buds. They do make it right there in front of you. Worth the trip and think I will make it tomorrow now that I am craving one.

I need to check out Texadelphia. Can never have too many sources for a decent cheese steak.

If Kirk Humphreys wanted to make a few more dollars, he'd invest in White Castles and Krystals and locate them right smack dab on his empty lots out here on Hefner and Council.