Business people aren't stupid. They typically don't fire people that aren't expendable.

That's like saying Attorneys aren't stupid---they typically don't take cases they won't win. (yeah, I know you're an attorney :) )

Sometimes upper management doesn't know they're expendable until they are gone. Unless you are running up to the boss' boss' boss to tell them what you are doing, by the time it gets that far up the chain, they have no clue.

The people that were cut won't be replaced, they are just having the people that are still at SD doing their job--and in several cases, also doing the job of the person whose job the laid-off employee was doing but who is still there. Confusing, eh?

I agree with you on the CHK layoff crier. Either give some details or stop trying to predict the future as reality.

Whatever pal. Kerry said that is exactly what they did at the company he worked for. That's what I was responding to. You're right that this does not "always" happen. It's been my experience, however, that it is a good idea not to get paid too much or earn too much in corporate America. One does not want to be a budget target. How many times have you heard of people fired right before they were to receive their pensions? It happens all the time.

Then qualify your statements down to say what you mean.


Anyone who places faith in corporate America to have their back as an employee is a fool at this point.

That's another thread entirely...one in which we'd likely agree more.

Then qualify your statements down to say what you mean.

Yes, sir, Mr. "corporate America always makes the right hires and people laid off are typically deserving."

I don't believe either your language or rhetoric are as precise and consistent as you wish to believe.

Whatever pal. Kerry said that is exactly what they did at the company he worked for. That's what I was responding to. You're right that this does not "always" happen. It's been my experience, however, that it is a good idea not to get paid too much or earn too much in corporate America. One does not want to be a budget target. How many times have you heard of people fired right before they were to receive their pensions? It happens all the time.

Anyone who places faith in corporate America to have their back as an employee is a fool at this point.

You should only put faith in yourself (and God for us religious zealots). I know several people that were laid off within a year of retirement, but I will say that for the line of work I do, I usually don't work for well run organizations so that probably explains a lot of the stupid things I see executive management do. They simply aren't good at their jobs.

For those new to the job world let me give you this advice - only accept cash in exchange for your labor. No stock options, no pension, no bonuses.

Yes, sir, Mr. "corporate America always makes the right hires and people laid off are typically deserving."

I don't believe either your language or rhetoric are as precise and consistent as you wish to believe.

I believe your last statement because it's evident you don't read for comprehension and consideration, but rather to just react. Instead of merely waiting for your turn to talk, you should try actively listening/reading.

Never anywhere did I say people laid off are typically DESERVING of that, nor did I say that corporate America ALWAYS makes the right hires. I said that corporations don't typically fire people that aren't expendable. That's not even remotely the same.

You're just making things up now. Let it go.

Yes, sir, Mr. "corporate America always makes the right hires and people laid off are typically deserving."


"deserving" and "expendable" are not even close to the same.

For those who have not worked at SandRidge, it is easy to create responses as to "why" people were or were not laid off. As a person who has been there, done that, I can tell you that based upon my knowledge of some of the people who were layed off, they were the ones who were older or not from Chesapeake or not from Tom's church. Neither of those 3 descriptions make for a good or bad employee, just one that generally gets hired first and fired last.

Mr. Mallen,

I have survived quite well in my life, and my reading comprehension has rarely if ever been questioned. You're trying to back away from dumb statements, but you can't. I pointed out that corporate America often relies upon dumb, non-business reasons for laying people off, echoing Kerry's thread. You picked a fight, and then implied that management "typically" lays people off who are "expendable."

You just sound like a shill for corporations, and have demonstrated no real empathy for the many people on this thread who are now out of work. Hopefully you don't find yourself in the same position someday. I suspect your expert advice would fall short in ameliorating the pain and misfortune of your circumstances.

For those who have not worked at SandRidge, it is easy to create responses as to "why" people were or were not laid off. As a person who has been there, done that, I can tell you that based upon my knowledge of some of the people who were layed off, they were the ones who were older or not from Chesapeake or not from Tom's church. Neither of those 3 descriptions make for a good or bad employee, just one that generally gets hired first and fired last.

Seriously? Wouldn't surprise me here in the Bible belt. Where does he go to church?

Crossings

Capitalism is brutal ..That's the game...Humane or inhumane has got nothing to do with it. It's not designed to be nice and sustainable over time. It's a hit and pillage and on to the next sort of thing.Beat your market to death and on to the next.It is a very disposable and disposed of mentality this end game there...Milton, is there no follow up
plan..?

BTW, any lack of loyalty in the employer/employee relationship is very much a two-way street.

Workers barely hesitate to leave a company for a better opportunity -- especially when the economy/industry is hot. Often, a business will make a substantial investment in an employee in terms of training and offering opportunities for growth, only to have that person leverage all that into another job elsewhere.

Businesses have to be able to expand and contract as their needs dictate, just like employees should be free to move on to something they deem more appealing.

It is capitalism in its purest form, and the brutality cuts both ways.

very well said, Pete.

Good points, Pete.

Crossings

Not true.

Not true.

Skyline.

BTW, any lack of loyalty in the employer/employee relationship is very much a two-way street.

Workers barely hesitate to leave a company for a better opportunity -- especially when the economy/industry is hot.

I am like a vending machine. I am coin operated.

Skyline.

Correct. :smile: