the way I understood what was stated is that the first 10 feet of the private land is still easement. the church tried to stop them from using their land, but they can't really control anything that happens on public easement.

Yes... The Motorcycle enties are preparing to counterprotest... I will be there along with a few others.

Here are the details. Please feel free to join us.

Joe

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Hello, Friends--

I'm forwarding message traffic from a couple of sources on a disturbing event happening on Monday, March 2. According to a letter sent out from the school administration to parents, the Westboro Baptist Cult (Sorry, but I just can't refer to them as a "Church") have obtained a permit to protest at Moore High School, Moore OK, from 2:45PM until 3:30PM on Monday, March 2. Moore Public Schools is coordinating with the Moore Police Department to ensure that the student population will be protected from this antagonizing cultist group. The Patriot Guard Riders and the American Legion Riders Post #1340 are going to be assembling at the North-West corner of Main St. and Eastern Ave. (at Moore HS) in Moore, OK in advance of the 2:45PM demonstration time. This will put our motorcyclist-defenders diagonally across from where the cultists will be assembling.

I don't have any information as to departure times and locations for any group rides, so if you can attend, please show up in Moore at the directed location in advance of 2:45PM. The Moore Police Dept. are aware of both the impending Westboro assault and motorcyclists' intent to attend and defend. This is all the information I have presently, and I'll send more along as I receive it. PLEASE follow closely the instructions of the American Legion Riders, Patriot Guard Riders, and Police Department supervisors on-scene--the Westboro cultists routinely desire to provoke violence with their inflammatory acts so they can fund future assaults through litigation. Our Motorcycling Community will not give them that satisfaction, even as they exercise the Freedoms guaranteed by those victimized by their evil. Thanks for listening, and be careful and safe if attending.

In Liberty,
Tiger Mike
ABATE of Oklahoma, Inc.
Oklahoma Confederation Of Clubs

Apparently the Westboro Baptist "Cult" Church is going to be in Moore protesting at the Moore High School. These are the same people that travel around to protest service members funerals. I am appalled that this is happening, apparently whether an individual dies for this country (to provide the very freedom that they stand behind to do their despicable act) or goes to school for an education they are against it. If you have kids in the Moore School System please be aware that this is going to happen.

I checked out their website to see why they are protesting and believe it or not they are actually protesting against our children, the community as parents and the school. I will not put the vile things that they put on their website in this email but here is a link to their protest schedule for their "where and why". I recommend you not let your kids read the trash that they write.
http://www.westborobaptistchurch.com/schedule.html

The freaks from Westboro Baptist "Church" will be at Moore High school at 2:45 on Monday, March 2nd to protest Toby Keith and MHS teachers. These are the people who demonstrate at military funerals with atrocious signs claiming God hates these dead heroes.
The Moore Police asked us to assemble at the NW corner of Main and Eastern which will be diagonally across the street from these misguided souls.

Please forward this to all your riding friends.
--
Big Jim
Commander
American Legion Riders Post 1340
cmdr@alr1340.org
American Legion Riders Post 1340 (http://www.alr1340.org)

Hooray for the Patriot Guard Riders and the American Legion Riders!

I appreciate all you do for our fallen service members' families as well as your peaceful but loud vigil against these idiots. Thank you!

Just to set the record straight...

Yes, the American Legion Riders and the Patriot Guard Riders deserve all Thanks they can get, for schedualing this event and many others.

I am going with a friend or two as independents. Any other riders that wish to attend and counter protest are welcome to meet up and ride down with us. We are meeting at the Valero at the corner of I-35 and SE 59th @ 2pm...

So it is the ALR and the PGR that deserve all the credit for orginizing this and for what they do for our community on a daily basis.

Joe

If ever there was a time for Moore to have its "regular" tornado visit - restricted of course to a certain sidewalk. : P

Shame no rain tomorrow, so that rules out the ability to splash them driving by. And the police may frown on door checking. Big thanks definitely to the ALR and PGR for drowning these hate mongers out.

O just had an interesting thought. Anyone have a large bus that might just happen to stall out on a certain road on Monday afternoon next to a certain easement next to a certain vacant lot? G

I think it would hysterical for the camera to catch the Westies chanting "God hates Ty Pennington" and "Bus Driver, Move that Bus!"

Why is so much attention and energy wasted on these clowns?

Agree with Boston...Best just to completely ignore this freak show...Only reason they continue on is they enjoy knowing they got under people's skin

Speaking of incoherant...

What is their reason for demonstrating at MHS? I couldn't figure it out for the life of me.

funny how their zipcode is 66604

Speaking of incoherant...

What is their reason for demonstrating at MHS? I couldn't figure it out for the life of me.

Simple, to get attention.... They are rock stars minus the money. It's sad but true. Way to go Smokin Joe and friends. Keep fueling the fire.

What is their reason for demonstrating at MHS? I couldn't figure it out for the life of me.

Pretty vague.. but they reference Toby Keith... watch out boys.. he'll put a boot in your ass... lol





I checked out their website to see why they are protesting and believe it or not they are actually protesting against our children, the community as parents and the school. I will not put the vile things that they put on their website in this email but here is a link to their protest schedule for their "where and why". I recommend you not let your kids read the trash that they write.
http://www.westborobaptistchurch.com/schedule.html

The freaks from Westboro Baptist "Church" will be at Moore High school at 2:45 on Monday, March 2nd to protest Toby Keith and MHS teachers

Just dropped my son off at school and noticed some counter-protesting already going on. Looks like a bunch of students parked their vehicles with the backends facing where the protesters will be. On the back of their vehicles is written "God is Love" and a few other things. Saw a few signs taped to the back of trucks.
About 1/4 of the parking lot is taped off closest to the corner of the Eastern/Main intersection. Wonder if that is for people to use later or to keep everyone out?
Going to be an interesting day.

Well you can't protest on certain pieces of land...like a school. You just can't get a permit to do so. Obviously private land requires approval. However, if you don't grant approval, then you also stand the chance of them sueing you because of 1st ammendment crap. They've done it, and they'll do it again. That's probably why the land owner agreed to it. If only there was a way to catch these guys in their own game and get them all thrown in jail. They're all sick bastards.

I just hope no one reacts to them, that's what they want. Just ignore them and they'll go away. They've been coming to OKC because they've been making the news...like when they were at OCU. Radical fundamentalist assholes.

any news if there is crowd forming down there yet?

obviously private land requires approval. however, if you don't grant approval, then you also stand the chance of them sueing you because of 1st ammendment crap. they've done it, and they'll do it again. that's probably why the land owner agreed to it.

let me state this again... the land owner did NOT agree to this. i've talked to several sources that are directly connected to the owner and they are unable to deny access since the protest will be held on the property's 10ft easement. in effect, the protest is being held on public property.

in any event... between Westboro and the property owner, two private entities, the first amendment does not come into play.

-M

Again folks, the land owner didn't grant permission, they are using public easement and got a permit to protest through the City of Moore. Not sure why everyone keeps trying to speculate when the media has made it clear.

I took the wife and teenager by the W.B.C. protest this afternoon. While I don't like the message, I think it's an important right to protect as long as it isn't done passively. That being said, we joined the anti-WBC crowd that outnumbered the W.B.C. at least 100-to-1.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30342559&l=d9f7b&id=1283820411

They sent women and children... A child that was even too young to realize what he was doing was holding a sign in protest.... And they walked on our flag...

The People of Oklahoma stepped up today, and have a right to be proud.... Of who we are, and what we stand for....

so says Smokin Joe

Can you say davidian compound!

The news reports I've seen thus far have focused more on the counter-protesters than the WBC folk. Good to see such a good - and peaceful - turn-out.

After seeing the WBCers again, I really have come to the realization that these are very ill folk if they are so disillusioned as to think that they are spreading the true word of G-d.

I QUOTE....."I AM AN AMERICAN! I stood at the sharp end of the stick for 8 years defending her so that others could live in safety and freedom. Do not disgrace her, or disrespect her as that disgraces and disrespect me, my family, and all of the other Vet's and their families who gave up so much, so that all of us could be safe and free. Lest you forget "Freedom is not free!"

I am a vet of Desert Storm...these people and everything they stand for disgust me to no end. I realize they have the right to freedom of speach, but when they stand on the very FLAG that me and other vets have fought for, that should be a Federal crime!!!!!

I don't believe that the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of the
body of Christ. I don't know which sector of the Baptist church that this
organization is associated.

Although I am in no way pro-homosexual by any stretch of the imagination, I
don't consider the Westboro church to be in the mainstream of Christianity.

There is no reason whatsoever to hate homosexuals.

don't i remember something in the bible about loving your enemies, not calling another man a fool, judging not or you would be judged by the same measure, they will know you by your love, and we are all sinners who without the grace of God deserve hell?

is that just me?

I took several photos while watching the protest and anti-protest.

Here's a link to them... Brian Bates's Photos - WBC Protest at MHS 3/2/09 | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019293&id=1283820411&l=0f70b)

They sent women and children... A child that was even too young to realize what he was doing was holding a sign in protest.... And they walked on our flag...

The People of Oklahoma stepped up today, and have a right to be proud.... Of who we are, and what we stand for....

so says Smokin Joe

Great job people, we showed them!!!!!!!!

Come on, this is absurd. These boobs wanted you guys to go out there and shout, pound your chests, and most of all, acknowledge them. And guess what? You gave them their wish.

Now that is something to be proud of.........:dizzy:

It really frustrates me to hear people say "just ignore them". Many hate groups have flourished because the mainstream chose to "not give them what they want [attention]".

I think instead of ignoring these groups we should show our opposition, exercise our own rights and let it all serve to educate and provide an example to our younger generation.

Personally I didn't know about it until it was already going on or I would have stopped by.

It really frustrates me to hear people say "just ignore them". Many hate groups have flourished because the mainstream chose to "not give them what they want [attention]".

I think instead of ignoring these groups we should show our opposition, exercise our own rights and let it all serve to educate and provide an example to our younger generation.

Personally I didn't know about it until it was already going on or I would have stopped by.

You live under a rock?

Why does that frustrate you? You really think these types flourish due to being ignored? Are you serious? These types wouldn't last a day if they didn't get any attention. Why do you think they target the bible belt? They know they will get people all fired up.

You live under a rock?

Get over yourself. You really think MOST working stiffs knew when and where the WBC was going to protest next (or even cared)? Boy, you really do give them alot of credit don't you.

Actually, yes, many fringe groups have flourished because they were ignored, feared or otherwise not challenged significantly from the onset... KKK, Nazi Party, cult groups, take your pic from large or small organized efforts to spread hate.

"Lets all ignore them and they will go away" is as ignorant and unrealistic as saying "lets all just share our food and money and then that way nobody will go hungry or homeless ever again". Both may sound great but mean absolutely nothing in reality.

I took the wife and teenager by the W.B.C. protest this afternoon. While I don't like the message, I think it's an important right to protect as long as it isn't done passively. That being said, we joined the anti-WBC crowd that outnumbered the W.B.C. at least 100-to-1.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30342559&l=d9f7b&id=1283820411

Did you take your video camera and post on YouTube? Lets go back to ignoring WBC please, unless it's for a funeral.

Get over yourself. You really think MOST working stiffs knew when and where the WBC was going to protest next (or even cared)? Boy, you really do give them alot of credit don't you.

Actually, yes, many fringe groups have flourished because they were ignored, feared or otherwise not challenged significantly from the onset... KKK, Nazi Party, cult groups, take your pic from large or small organized efforts to spread hate.

"Lets all ignore them and they will go away" is as ignorant and unrealistic as saying "lets all just share our food and money and then that way nobody will go hungry or homeless ever again". Both may sound great but mean absolutely nothing in reality.


Sorry about the rude comment...... to answer the question, yes. Without a doubt. Now to back up my comments let me explain. 6 days before the "event", soonerqueen decided to post the time and date of the "event". Everyone jumped on board. The media went crazy with it. Now, if she doesn't do that, or the media doesn't follow up on it, there would be very few who knew about it.


Now, as far as ignoring them. Obviously no one should ignore them when they go to a funeral. That is the exception. But as far as them protesting on a street, why in the world would we pay them any attention. Makes no sense.

everyone to there own if they want to counter protest, something that makes no sense to you makes sense to others.. THANK GOD THAT HE MADE US DIFFERENT

Aside from the delusion that any significant portion of the OKC population gets its daily news from this forum, the media had an obligation to report on it. The public is free to discount the group but the obligation to report on it is still exists.

Obviously you are in the minority as every local media outlet apparently reported on it and it appears hundreds (if not more) turned out to peacefully exercise their right to protest the WBC.

Personally, I think this is a perfect example of the system and our rights working exactly as they should. Just as you have a right to ignore them, I feel we have an obligation not to.

And they have a right to stomp on the flag and yell stupid things. You don't like it, I don't like it, but what good does it do to go down there and yell back? Just seems very silly to me.

And no, obviously I'm not in the minority. The media was all over this, thus only hundreds came out to counter protest. With a city this size for me to be in the minority hundreds of thousands would have had to been down there.

Kind of Ironic that the country on which they stand upon the flag, is also the one that is paying the cost to protect them, and keep them safe from harm.

Joe

http://www.joesentell.com/scooter/westboro11.JPG

Did you take your video camera and post on YouTube? Lets go back to ignoring WBC please, unless it's for a funeral.

I take my video camera everywhere. However, I can't post the video for 30 days because the video I shot was already licensed by an out of state media outlet. Even then, I'm not sure this is something I would post to my YouTube JohnTV account.

I did however take lots of photos and posted a few online... Brian Bates's Photos - WBC Protest at MHS 3/2/09 | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019293&id=1283820411&l=0f70b)

As many have stated here, I support the W.B.C.'s right to protest, regardless of their true motives. I also support and encourage counter protest. While it's just not me to be standing there yelling at the W.B.C. members I found the entire process to be a positive one.


SmokinJoe - That was one of my favorite pics. That and the one with the motorcycle and American flag.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30342559&l=d9f7b&id=1283820411

don't i remember something in the bible about loving your enemies, not calling
another man a fool, judging not or you would be judged by the same
measure, they will know you by your love, and we are all sinners who without
the grace of God deserve hell?

is that just me?

You remembered correctly. I noticed that you used the entire part of
judging instead of the first two words. Most people overlook the rest of the
verse.

Also, the Bible is not pro-homosexual.

Bbates... Yes.. I stole your photo... I wish that we could get it to Time Magazine or something... It is too ironic... the one with the American flag was John... That's who I rode with.. I was right behind him... I somehow ended up being a parade orginizer... But proud to do so.... Can;t wait for the vid.

Joe

http://www.joesentell.com/scooter/westboro.JPG

I put it out for public consumption so you didn't "steal" it.

If you want a copy of that one, the flag one or any of the biker ones, just let me know and I am glad to email you the original so you could make a print at Sam's, WalMart, etc.

The presence of the parade of bikes was a real crowd pleaser and played havoc with the media trying to get interviews. I did several interviews and had to wait until all the bikes had gone by, even with lavalier on the person being interviewed. Didn't mind though, it just added to the experience.

Now these damned people are going to protest the Funeral of Radio Great Paul Harvey....

These people are dispicable....

Joe

Now these people are going to protest the
Funeral of Radio Great Paul Harvey...

These people are dispicable...

Yes, they are. Paul Harvey was my radio hero. I'm proud to say that he
quoted me on 2 occasions. That's an honor!

I'm going to miss him greatly.

Yes, they are. Paul Harvey was my radio hero. I'm proud to say that he
quoted me on 2 occasions. That's an honor!

I'm going to miss him greatly.
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Absolutely NO good things to say to or about those idiots. I was there and when they started STOMPING on the American Flag this Old redneck was ready to open up world War III. i had always been told it was AGAINST the law to Desecreat (spell) the Flag...No on did anything and half of the Police Force was there. Moore has a great Police Force, Our city officials seem to be doing a great job but, this was too much.........

Generals64, when it comes to the nation's flag, one is equally free to salute it or stomp it in protest or burn it in protest. A rather piss poor form of protest in my opinion, but if someone is trying to make it on camera or the telly, it's a fairly cheap ticket to a Warhol moment.

I've retired many a flag to ashes, but I've never burned a flag. There is a difference.

And while it is wrong to wish ill on folks, if some stomper turns an ankle in the process, or some flag torcher gets singed, I won't feel sorrow that their practice of free speech came with a personal cost.

Generals64, when it comes to the nation's flag, one is equally free to salute it or stomp it in protest or burn it in protest. A rather piss poor form of protest in my opinion, but if someone is trying to make it on camera or the telly, it's a fairly cheap ticket to a Warhol moment.

I've retired many a flag to ashes, but I've never burned a flag. There is a difference.

And while it is wrong to wish ill on folks, if some stomper turns an ankle in the process, or some flag torcher gets singed, I won't feel sorrow that their practice of free speech came with a personal cost.

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By accident I found your answer and this thread. I usually hang out on the Nostalgia Forum. While growing up (long time ago) we were taught in the Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, YMCA "Gray Y" and in OKC public Schools that it was against the law to be responsible for any of the following....Burning the flag...Descreating the flag...letting the flag touch the ground when removing from a flag pole or any other time....You must keep a light on the flag after dark....and any Frayed flag must be removed from display and destroy. We were told that the only way to destroy ANY United States Flag would be to ceremonial BURN the flag.....Maybe the law changed.....But, like you if they turn an ankle or get singe too bad, so sad.....You were also told to NEVER display the flag upside down unless you were in Dire trouble.....

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By accident I found your answer and this thread. I usually hang out on the Nostalgia Forum. While growing up (long time ago) we were taught in the Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, YMCA "Gray Y" and in OKC public Schools that it was against the law to be responsible for any of the following....Burning the flag...Descreating the flag...letting the flag touch the ground when removing from a flag pole or any other time....You must keep a light on the flag after dark....and any Frayed flag must be removed from display and destroy. We were told that the only way to destroy ANY United States Flag would be to ceremonial BURN the flag.....Maybe the law changed.....But, like you if they turn an ankle or get singe too bad, so sad.....You were also told to NEVER display the flag upside down unless you were in Dire trouble.....

incorrect. it was not against the law.

it was disrespectful, and it still is.

By accident I found your answer and this thread. I usually hang out on the
Nostalgia Forum. While growing up (long time ago) we were taught in the Cub
Scouts, Boy Scouts, YMCA "Gray Y" and in OKC public Schools that it was
against the law to be responsible for any of the following... Burning the flag...
Desecrating the flag... letting the flag touch the ground when removing from
a flag pole or any other time... You must keep a light on the flag after dark...
and any Frayed flag must be removed from display and destroy. We were told
that the only way to destroy ANY United States Flag would be to ceremonial
BURN the flag... Maybe the law changed... But, like you if they turn an ankle
or get singe too bad, so sad... You were also told to NEVER display the flag
upside down unless you were in Dire trouble...

Jim Stark is correct, BUT, and it's a big but, we were taught that it was
against the law. Although, it wasn't, that's what we were taught.

I once remember that an old veteran, maybe WWI, came to our door and
showed us, some kids, a small flag that we had accidentally left in the
street. It was the type you'd get at a carnival or at the Five and Dime. I'll
never forget how kind, but firm, he was as he told us the proper respect
and display of the flag. After his talk, which all of us were in reverence, he
said he was going to have the flag disposed of properly.

I'll never forget that all long as I live.

A really good counter-protest would be a bunch of homosexuals (preferably chicks) making out, fully dressed of course.

Even if it wasn't a protest, it'd be a good fundraiser - I bet there are a few on this board who'd pay to see. :tiphat:

A really good counter-protest would be a bunch of homosexuals (preferably chicks) making out, fully dressed of course.

That's actually been done before. :)

Personally I really don't see Westboro so much as a group of homophobes, but rather as a cult that hates everything and believes that they are the only people that will be saved by God. You could make homosexuality punishable by public burning at the stake, and I bet that they would be protesting those executions. It just happens that LGBT people are an easy target for them.

That's actually been done before. :)

Personally I really don't see Westboro so much as a group of homophobes, but rather as a cult that hates everything and believes that they are the only people that will be saved by God. You could make homosexuality punishable by public burning at the stake, and I bet that they would be protesting those executions. It just happens that LGBT people are an easy target for them.

They are a cult you can tell when their people are interviewed by the media. They all talk like robots and you never hear them deviating from the general talking points of the group.

They are poor simple minded fools who need to feel like they are somebody.

A really good counter-protest would be a bunch of homosexuals (preferably
chicks) making out, fully dressed of course.
That was great! I just blew a bottle of 7up through my nose! OUCH!
:LolLolLol